This discussion from Adam Corolla’s podcast dovetails perfectly with both Darleen’s post detailing NBC’s media malpractice, and my post on consensus truth and “liberal” righteousness.
Because what we have here is an individual who has been publicly sacrificed on the altar of PC and progressive identity politics — thanks in large part to the ever-increasing (and increasingly toxic) intersection between media sensationalism and a bastardized understanding of “tolerance” promoted by a bankrupt collectivist political ideology bent on promoting utter conformity of expression (and, it’s hoped, thought).
It’s a brave new world, people. And if we aren’t going to fight back aggressively, we may as well start lining up for our SOMA right now.
(With thanks to LYBD)
This story brings back shuddering memories of my fall freshman semester, memories in which I’m neither blameless nor proud, but in a word, merely lucky to have lived so long ago and in a place where reason had not yet been abandoned.
Higher Definition Police Video Appears To Show Wound On Back Of Zimmerman’s Head
If you haven’t read this piece on Clementi/Ravi in the New Yorker, it’s worth taking a look at it.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/02/06/120206fa_fact_parker
Regarding the George Zimmerman situation, I think I misstated or overstated my “sympathy” with GZ being charged. The sentiment that I was trying to express was sympathy with the idea that it appears that he should have been charged. I thought that was captured in the small bit that Jeff excerpted for the “weak in the knees” post. That is different than agreeing that he should be charged now, which I did not intend to suggest that I supported. So consider this getting a little weak in the knees about being weak in the knees.
Listen, and understand. The progressive propaganda machine is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
It’s so hard to imagine sdferr engaged in debauchery that doesn’t involve power tools and Socrates in some manner.
Yes, well, (though perhaps to my eternal shame I went through girlfriends like water through a sieve back thataways — albeit for the poor roommate’s sake, nearly all those events took place elsewheres than our dormroom), still, I was hardly attentive to his needs, which proved insurmountable to his facts and saw his end at that school rocking and hugging himself in a delirium on the floor of the common bathroom. Never did find out definitively what his breakdown condition was, that being a medical privacy and all, but he was gone after only about three months. Anyhow, I wasn’t helpful to him, to say the least.
mt_molehill,
But that was kinda Jeff’s point wasn’t it?
The “J’acuse!’ thing…based on agenda biased media reports. Got no idea wow this Martin/ Zimmerman shit turns out. I’ll let the investigators, a Florida Grand Jury, and if it goes further, 12 jurors figure it out. But “demand” trial by race baiting carnival barkers dependent on a threat of a violent lynch mob is anarchy. Multiple investigations with an obvious goal of appeasing said mob is not only police investigative and prosecutorial misconduct… it’s a new precedent of holding any US citizen to double, triple, quadruple “jeopardy” until the “correct” crime is charged in the name of some perpetually aggrieved, politically motivated minority’s definition of “justice”. At that point due process, presumed innocent, Hell, Constitutional law itself is utterly meaningless.
Over several threads Jeff, Rob, Ernst, sdferr, et al (mostly politely) pulled your arguments apart, so I’m amazed it was that long ass article in the New Yorker (and a few recent revelations in the Martin/ Zimmerman case) that get’s you to “re-think”.
I hope some form of justice is found for this young man at Rutgers. I don’t know how justice is found in this country, I really don’t, but I do believe it usually happens. This story is not over, is all I’m saying.
And to follow up on my point from the last post, the fact that someone like Adam Corolla, not a titan of intellect by any means, can get riled up and have his voice heard here, is reason enough to believe that the stuff he’s railing against has not been set in stone. We can turn it around. It takes effort, but it can be done.
It won’t be all bad, It’ll be impolite for that cute thing in the cubicle around the corner to not offer up at least a hand-job if you’ve been nice to her.
And there’s always orgy-porgy.
Of course Huxley, didn’t anticipate the whole GLBT thing, so maybe that’s not such an upside after all.
^^
….”in the name of some perpetually aggrieved, politically motivated minority’s definition of “justice” to be righteously served.
Sorry.
That article is relevant to the Ravi case, and I read it some time ago. Has nothing to do with GZ besides being another example of media bias and a certain template defining the way a story is presented, and how facts are distorted or outright made up to that end.
And I haven’t “re-thought” things. I originally said something about what it appears should have happened, and some of the people (indeed, not Jeff) responded as though I was arguing about what should now happen.
Incidentally, lamont, you are also responding as though I was arguing that GZ should now be charged as a result of the political theater, rather than suggesting that it’s worth conceding the possibility that he should have been charged.
it’s worth conceding the possibility that he should have been charged.
Nope..
Adam Carolla seems to have a good working knowledge of how the world actually works. That puts him ahead of a lot of “intellectual titans.”
Well, mt_molehill…you certainly dance well while moving goal posts.
Ever had a cop in the family? Maybe watched a few episodes of The First 48?
THIS HAPPENS EVERY DAY in cities, counties, Federal Districts across the country. Ain’t what you know, it’s what you can prove. Physical evidence? Fantastic. Circumstantial evidence? You better have a dump truck full of it.
Trayvon’s killing was in fact a homicide. That’s because there a four possibilties of death listed on a coroner/ ME’s report. Natural death, Suicide, Homicide, Unknown.
Homicide don’t mean “murder”.
Detectives/ Investigators go to the DA with what they have, and the DA looks at the reports, witness statements, types of evidence, etc and gives a “go/no go for launch”. NO BODY is saying that the lead investigator was “wrong” in recommending a manslaughter charge be filed. But the DA obviously told him, “Not near enough. You don’t have it here. If you can’t find a lot more definitive evidence to build a case, while I can get him indicted, any judge tosses this on the first motion to dismiss due to lack of evidence”.
For all we know, the investigators are gathering that evidence as we speak. Or, it may not be there, don’t exist, and Zimmerman was legally justified. No body knows.
A prosecutor’s decision to charge a defendant is based on how provable the case.
This is common sense.
Political pressure could force a charge to be made and a trial, even though the outcome of the trial needs to be “not guilty.”
Then again, I’m not sure this guy could even get a fair trial any more.
I don’t believe Mr. Zimmerman should be charged now. I don’t believe Mr. Zimmerman should have been charged then. I don’t believe we should waste everyone’s time and the taxpayers’ money on a grand jury inquest that’s going to affirm the prosecutor’s (correct in my view) decision to not bring charges in the first place, just so very concerned people can feel good about having their concerns addressed.
If you don’t live in the jurisdiction, it’s none of your goddamned business.
The agitators can go fuck themselves. If the appeasers want to offer up their delicate asses for the fucking, well that’s their business, but they do not have the right to offer up George Zimmerman, his neighborhood, his city, his county, or the law enforcement institutions his tax dollars help pay for, to race husslers and grievance mongers for the fucking.
That is all.
I’m off to enjoy a cigar now. While it’s still legal.
Adam Carolla is a guy i had tuned out since he was the guy who was Kimmel’s running mate for a while but didn’t have the talent to make it, so showed up on every ninth-rate talk show.
I have a lot of respect for the guy now.
I wonder if he begins a pushback, where the rank-and-file citizenry refuse to accept politically structured news events.
Regardless, much of the media is a lost cause.
I, for my part, am trying to lead a counter-revolution.
In all the threads I’ve seen Mr. molehill participate in discussing the subject, he presents a knowledge of investigative and criminal prosecutorial discression that is embarrassing to the point of toddler in full emotional tantrum. Not that far from Sharpton & the New Black Panthers. “I want”. “I think”. “You must”. “Now”. “The lead investigator said…”
I don’t at all think he means to be that close to those race baiting assholes, yet here we are.
Here’s how it goes Mr. Molehill. As Rob Crawford pointed out, the media and the race hustlers spread the lie that Zimmerman was “free to walk” minutes after the shooting. Nope. Once the EMTs determined that his broken nose was not “emergent” and the gash on the back of his head did not require stitches, he was taken into custody (not arrested), and questioned at the station for hours…and THEN released. All the witnesses did NOT ” conveniently appear later”, they were initially questioned that night.
The detectives/ investigators may have thought at that Zimmerman was not justified in the shooting. BUT, like double jeopardy, they only get to keep him on a 48 hour hold ONCE.
No matter what the lead investigator “feels in his gut”, without strong evidence, a DA is always gonna tell him to go back to the well and get more.
This is why the race hucksters & the mob are so fucking stupid in “demanding an arrest”. If Zimmerman is arrested based 70%/30% for/ against conflicting eye witness statements only (with the only pertinent physical evidence made public to date on Zimmerman’s side), the dumbest of public defenders is gonna exercise his client’s right to a speedy trial.
Zimmerman walks.
IF he was dirty in the shooting, it may take a year or more to compile timelines, cross check witness statements, find additional witnesses, examine crime scene reports, forensics…Or it will likely turn out, like the first investigative determination, no crime was committed at all.
That’s exactly how this shit is SUPPOSED to work.
Shut up, and they’ll let you know.
Good grief.
Crap.
As usual, Ernst said it shorter and better.
Enjoy your stogie.
I feel sorry for the normal residents of Sanford. Having to put up with a bunch of race-baiting loudmouths and protests by the stupid during Holy Week is too much.
…protests by the stupid during Holy Week is too much.
But, but…Al is a reverend!
The only thing that makes me smile is that somewhere Rev. Wright is screaming at his TV, kicking the cat across the room, enraged that he’s not allowed to be part of this circus.
cranky-d says March 31, 2012 at 1:51 pm –
“Adam Carolla seems to have a good working knowledge of how the world actually works. That puts him ahead of a lot of “intellectual titans.”
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That’s a good point, and one that shouldn’t be overlooked. It is possible to thrive in this country with some good, (not-so)common sense, and then when that person with enough sense noticed the nonsense being put out by “intellectuals,” it is possible for that person to speak up, and have his voice heard. Not just because there are forums in which they can be heard, but we still have a vibrant enough populace who doesn’t bow down to their “betters.”
But, but…Al is a reverend!
Al Charlatan is indeed a Baptist minister. I can’t remember if JJ is ordained or not.
Thanks for the image of the Rev. Wright. Too funny!
It’s so hard to imagine sdferr engaged in debauchery that doesn’t involve power tools and Socrates in some manner.
Remember Abe, they killed Socrates for corrupting his students…
(sorry Sdferr…)
Not just because there are forums in which they can be heard, but we still have a vibrant enough populace who doesn’t bow down to their “betters.”
Corolla, Dennis Miller, Collin Quinn, Adam Baldwin, and others…and the man that had had enough of that putrid, liberal/progressive, hypocritical, rabid leftist hell, and encouraged them to “speak their minds regardless” (miss ya Brietbart)…
It all gives me that, Davy Crockett, “You can all go to Hell, I’m going to Texas” feel.
The thing that is most disturbing is that, other than in their willingness to oppose the very far excesses of the left, they might not be thought all that conservative.
But, by dint of such temerity, they get deemed rapid reichwingers and consigned to marginal acceptance.
Blame goes to all those others in the public eye who think it better to knuckle under.
rabid, maybe also rapid, but that’s not what I was thinking…
I really like that Beto and am arming appropriately.
The only thing that makes me smile is that somewhere Rev. Wright is screaming at his TV, kicking the cat across the room, enraged that he’s not allowed to be part of this circus.
I believe he’s in the PA, throwing firebombs at Israel.
Seriously.
If Ravi didn’t actually film the guy having sex, nor did he post such a thing, where did the story come from that he did? Word got out that he switched on his web cam for sec?
It might be in the NYorker piece, but tl;dr.
Who knows, di? I’d really like to see all of the “hate crime” legislation repealed.
Except that the express purpose of creating “hate crime” legislation was to achieve exactly the result we have with Zimmerman and Ravi.
As Jeff observed in a previous thread, where there’s victims, there’s an aggressor to be punished. And where you can select your victims for purely political purposes, you can easily ensure that your hated rivals are the ones who get punished.
Oh, wait. I just saw over at Ace’s: “Tyler Clementi realized that Ravi’s computer’s webcam was on, so he pulled the plug on the computer. ”
That’s how word got out.
When we are all victims, who becomes the aggressor? Is it a matter of degree of victimization? I can think of a couple of categories that are catch-alls for everyone.
Whose the aggressor when we’re all the victims?
Why, Society of course.
And by Society, I mean the white male patriarchal heternormative superstructure.
White Privilege means you ever have to say you’re sorry!
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I really wouldn’t bet on it, Ernst. See, the message has been passed: “Nice little town you got here. Be a shame if a bunch of grief-stricken inheritors of MLK burned it to the ground.” Not to mention the Federal grand jury. Like dicentra said, you can make sure your enemies get punished.
I think any riot around Miami will quickly get eaten by a bigger riot that feels like kicking some out of town riot’s ass. It’s kind of a tough town. It’s not like LA where the rats hide in their holes until stuff blows over.
On a Federal hate crime or civil rights charge, who knows? But on state charges, I have my doubts. Nothing in Florida law as I understand it* says Zimmerman couldn’t bring his gun to Martin’s fistfight/curb-stomping.
*(And I’ll freely admit I know as much about Florida law as Marc Elliot L’Hommedieu knows about pleasuring a woman, so grain of salt and all that.)
The media lynching is the obverse of the coin of the realm, the media deification.