One good shot from a bounty collecting defensive player and Peyton is done for the season. 4 neck surgeries and yet teams are seriously looking at Manning?
His neck is as strong as it ever was, possibly stronger. That’s what happens with fusions — like when broken bones heal. The concern is how long it takes for the nerve to fully bounce back, which can take a while.
Brandon Stokely, a former Colt and Bronco who lives in CO, was out running routes with Manning. He says Manning looks like he did six years ago.
Any QB who takes a big hit is at risk. Manning tends to get the ball out quickly. And he’d have Ryan Clady protecting his blind side — a huge upgrade over what he had in Indy.
Peyton Manning? Be careful what you wish for. Fusing vertebrae may well make the mstronger but there is necessarily a loss in mobility. Another question has been just how much nerve damage there may have been and how quickly it can regenerate.
It’s true that any QB, or any other player, can have his career ended at anytime. Nonetheless, I would be vary wary of placing my hopes on a 35 year old Peyton Manning with this very specific injury history. If you could get him for $8M a year it might be worth the risk, but upwards of $25M a year is risking your an awful lot.
But hey, I’m a Bears fan and Chicago’s got Denver’s best QB (and now WR).
Jeff, I’ll take your word on that. I’ve always understood that fusions are serious business and one should not take chances after the surgery. However, considering the advances in medical technology, it wouldn’t surprise me if my information was wrong/out of date.
Anyway, what’s your take on Manning coming in, considering the success the Broncos had under Tebow?
I have to say my first scone was disappointing; what I expected was something like a pastry, but it was more like a thick cookie — and not the fresh baked-at-home kind.
His doctors have cleared him without reservation. And I spoke to the nerve regeneration.
I’m not placing my hopes on Manning. John Elway and Pat Bowlen and John Fox, however, appear to be doing just that. Evidently, 47% passing just doesn’t cut it around here, regardless of the “leadership” Tebow brings.
Manning brings leadership, too. And completions. And points. And Denver already has a good running game — which is something that should appeal to Manning at this stage of his career. It’s how Elway finally got his rings.
Of course, Tennessee has Chris Johnson. But he’s more a big play running back than a clock chewing grinder.
At any rate, it looks like Bud Adams of TN is willing to give Manning the store. Why he’d do that after taking Jake Locker last year is beyond me, but then, Adams has a reputation for being something of a giant douche.
Come on Blake, are you serious.? Just because Denvers season went longer than it has in ten years, doesn’t change the fact that their best QB went to the Bears (did they make the playoffs, never mind, don’t matter) and Teabow doesn’t know how to play football.
Since the thread seems to be an argument about NFL quarterbacks, I think I’ll trot out my old joke: “Unlike Michael Vick, I don’t have a dog in this fight.”
There really is a hierarchy of baked goods, and scones are nowhere near the top. In fact, I think it would be accurate to say some baked goods don’t need to be baked by anybody, and the only reason they do get baked is because the baker hates the people they are baking for!
Honestly, bread should be bread flavored, anything more than that is silly. And everything else should be full of chocolate. Thus, I have spoken.
As for Manning, whatever. If you don’t want Tebow to be your future, then sure, you need somebody who can credibly chase him away, but otherwise Manning was washed up 3 years ago. That his “washed up” is better than 75% of the rest of the league’s starting QBs doesn’t change that fact.
Three years ago Peyton Manning won the Colts first 14 games and played in a Super Bowl. If that is washed up, then please bring on all the washed up players you can find.
“The concern is how long it takes for the nerve to fully bounce back, which can take a while.”
Two other issues:
1. Reduced range of motion (might make him more suceptible to blind-side hits).
2. More wear on the disks immediately below and above the fused links which eventually might require additional fusions (more of a long-range health issue).
I had rhizotomy (nerve end burning) treatments for my neck and the neurologist said that permanent numbness and weakness was a possibility. The nerves do regenerate but their is no way of knowing how long or in what direction they will regrow.
I had a little numbness (and significant pain relief) after the procedures; which wore off after a couple of weeks.
If his condition has improved it shouldn’t reoccur unless another surgery becomes necessary.
LBascom, well, I was responding to the post that said Manning was washed up three years ago. I don’t disagree that he might be washed up now, though I can understand opinions varying, but he was in his prime three years ago.
Indianapolis let him go because they had just paid him $25M or thereabouts while not playing last year and had to pay him another $28M to keep him, without knowing whether he could play or not since the new labor agreement prevented them from working him out. That combined with the fact that they hold the first pick in the draft and have a chance to take the best can’t miss QB prospect since John Elway made it an easier decision than it might have otherwise been. If they were drafting 15th this year I’d bet they would have stuck with Manning.
Day-um you people need to get up-to-date on your pastries.
A nancy-boy British scone (rhymes with CON) is baked, and you put sissy-pants clotted cream on it.
A red-blooded American scone (rhymes with CONE) is deeeeep-fried dough, and you slather it with honey butter, or if you’re really bold, sammich fixins.
Deep-fried dough sounds like a fritter. Which, a good fresh-baked apple fritter (or six) was the whole reason for October when I was growing up in Sacramento and could visit Apple Hill every fall.
My point about Manning is that he was NOT in his prime 3 years ago, when Indy was still enjoying success. If you chose to look closely, you could see that he was fading.
Like I said, his “washed up” was better than 75% of the QBs in the league, because he was so much better than everybody for a while there. People refused to believe it, because they were still succeeding, and he was Payton Manning, after all. But that’s how you suddenly go from being a winning team to losing almost all your games in a blink. You don’t notice the decline, but it’s there.
Damn, I knew you hated us down here, but that’s the lowest cut of all. True Titans fans have had enough of the UT Orange infestation already, when Indy came to town; if Manning even showed his working face on our sideline, without even tossing a ball, we’d be forced to change team colors.
No thanks, please. But we do need a new owner, if you’ve a spare one.
When I’m not dead and downtown, I find myself having to walk down to Wynkoop’s and drink at least two pints of their chili beer.
My kids are into baking scones. baking in general, but scones are in their rotation.
Today they’re making peanut butter cookies.
All of which should esplain why I have to both do p90X 2 videos AND run 4 or 5 miles today.
I think #18 should run for President. He can’t be worse than Romney. I wouldn’t mind seeing him go to the Titans.
Party!
One good shot from a bounty collecting defensive player and Peyton is done for the season. 4 neck surgeries and yet teams are seriously looking at Manning?
His neck is as strong as it ever was, possibly stronger. That’s what happens with fusions — like when broken bones heal. The concern is how long it takes for the nerve to fully bounce back, which can take a while.
Brandon Stokely, a former Colt and Bronco who lives in CO, was out running routes with Manning. He says Manning looks like he did six years ago.
Any QB who takes a big hit is at risk. Manning tends to get the ball out quickly. And he’d have Ryan Clady protecting his blind side — a huge upgrade over what he had in Indy.
Peyton Manning? Be careful what you wish for. Fusing vertebrae may well make the mstronger but there is necessarily a loss in mobility. Another question has been just how much nerve damage there may have been and how quickly it can regenerate.
It’s true that any QB, or any other player, can have his career ended at anytime. Nonetheless, I would be vary wary of placing my hopes on a 35 year old Peyton Manning with this very specific injury history. If you could get him for $8M a year it might be worth the risk, but upwards of $25M a year is risking your an awful lot.
But hey, I’m a Bears fan and Chicago’s got Denver’s best QB (and now WR).
Jeff, I’ll take your word on that. I’ve always understood that fusions are serious business and one should not take chances after the surgery. However, considering the advances in medical technology, it wouldn’t surprise me if my information was wrong/out of date.
Anyway, what’s your take on Manning coming in, considering the success the Broncos had under Tebow?
I have to say my first scone was disappointing; what I expected was something like a pastry, but it was more like a thick cookie — and not the fresh baked-at-home kind.
Manning would be a huge upgrade. The Broncos strength on defense is a pass rush. Playing with a lead would be a welcome change.
His doctors have cleared him without reservation. And I spoke to the nerve regeneration.
I’m not placing my hopes on Manning. John Elway and Pat Bowlen and John Fox, however, appear to be doing just that. Evidently, 47% passing just doesn’t cut it around here, regardless of the “leadership” Tebow brings.
Manning brings leadership, too. And completions. And points. And Denver already has a good running game — which is something that should appeal to Manning at this stage of his career. It’s how Elway finally got his rings.
Of course, Tennessee has Chris Johnson. But he’s more a big play running back than a clock chewing grinder.
At any rate, it looks like Bud Adams of TN is willing to give Manning the store. Why he’d do that after taking Jake Locker last year is beyond me, but then, Adams has a reputation for being something of a giant douche.
Come on Blake, are you serious.? Just because Denvers season went longer than it has in ten years, doesn’t change the fact that their best QB went to the Bears (did they make the playoffs, never mind, don’t matter) and Teabow doesn’t know how to play football.
“Manning would be a huge upgrade.”
I don’t know, I expect the results would be like Montana at KC, or Farve in Minnesota.
In fairness to Favre, he worked out fine for the one season he wanted to play.
That second year is on Childress, all of it.
Montana took KC to the playoffs. Farve had the Vikings a game away from the Superbowl.
Manning was performing at a high level with the neck problems, which Dungy said date back to a hit he took in 2006.
Actually it was an intercepted pass away.
If you find yourself dead and baking, I’m pretty sure you’re not in Denver anymore.
The important question though is what would Josh McDaniel do?
Since the thread seems to be an argument about NFL quarterbacks, I think I’ll trot out my old joke: “Unlike Michael Vick, I don’t have a dog in this fight.”
There really is a hierarchy of baked goods, and scones are nowhere near the top. In fact, I think it would be accurate to say some baked goods don’t need to be baked by anybody, and the only reason they do get baked is because the baker hates the people they are baking for!
Honestly, bread should be bread flavored, anything more than that is silly. And everything else should be full of chocolate. Thus, I have spoken.
As for Manning, whatever. If you don’t want Tebow to be your future, then sure, you need somebody who can credibly chase him away, but otherwise Manning was washed up 3 years ago. That his “washed up” is better than 75% of the rest of the league’s starting QBs doesn’t change that fact.
Three years ago Peyton Manning won the Colts first 14 games and played in a Super Bowl. If that is washed up, then please bring on all the washed up players you can find.
Scones are just biscuits that are showing off.
“If that is washed up, then please bring on all the washed up players you can find.”
Why did Indy let him go?
“The concern is how long it takes for the nerve to fully bounce back, which can take a while.”
Two other issues:
1. Reduced range of motion (might make him more suceptible to blind-side hits).
2. More wear on the disks immediately below and above the fused links which eventually might require additional fusions (more of a long-range health issue).
I had rhizotomy (nerve end burning) treatments for my neck and the neurologist said that permanent numbness and weakness was a possibility. The nerves do regenerate but their is no way of knowing how long or in what direction they will regrow.
I had a little numbness (and significant pain relief) after the procedures; which wore off after a couple of weeks.
If his condition has improved it shouldn’t reoccur unless another surgery becomes necessary.
LBascom, well, I was responding to the post that said Manning was washed up three years ago. I don’t disagree that he might be washed up now, though I can understand opinions varying, but he was in his prime three years ago.
Indianapolis let him go because they had just paid him $25M or thereabouts while not playing last year and had to pay him another $28M to keep him, without knowing whether he could play or not since the new labor agreement prevented them from working him out. That combined with the fact that they hold the first pick in the draft and have a chance to take the best can’t miss QB prospect since John Elway made it an easier decision than it might have otherwise been. If they were drafting 15th this year I’d bet they would have stuck with Manning.
I see.
I think Manning might have another good season or two, but I’ll be surprised if he lasts longer than that wherever he goes.
Declarations to the contrary aside, I think there were just 28 million reasons.
Day-um you people need to get up-to-date on your pastries.
A nancy-boy British scone (rhymes with CON) is baked, and you put sissy-pants clotted cream on it.
A red-blooded American scone (rhymes with CONE) is deeeeep-fried dough, and you slather it with honey butter, or if you’re really bold, sammich fixins.
Scones are Ur-biscuits.
We can do better now.
Deep-fried dough sounds like a fritter. Which, a good fresh-baked apple fritter (or six) was the whole reason for October when I was growing up in Sacramento and could visit Apple Hill every fall.
And in Scotland “Scone” is pronounced “skoon” and is where the magic rock under the British throne came from. Before they sent it back.
Charles Austin –
My point about Manning is that he was NOT in his prime 3 years ago, when Indy was still enjoying success. If you chose to look closely, you could see that he was fading.
Like I said, his “washed up” was better than 75% of the QBs in the league, because he was so much better than everybody for a while there. People refused to believe it, because they were still succeeding, and he was Payton Manning, after all. But that’s how you suddenly go from being a winning team to losing almost all your games in a blink. You don’t notice the decline, but it’s there.
Damn, I knew you hated us down here, but that’s the lowest cut of all. True Titans fans have had enough of the UT Orange infestation already, when Indy came to town; if Manning even showed his working face on our sideline, without even tossing a ball, we’d be forced to change team colors.
No thanks, please. But we do need a new owner, if you’ve a spare one.
I don’t hate you, I am wishing you success. The Titans would beat us senseless, twice a year, with 18.
BurtTC, he won the MVP 3 years ago. I think that means his “already fading years” were better than much more than 75% of the league.
Hop the Colorado Eagle to points east.
Good old #12.