14 Replies to ““Sandra Fluke: Slurs won’t silence women””

1. geoffb says:

   March 13, 2012 at 11:38 am

   There is nothing known on Earth that could ever silence progressive-liberals, men or women.

2. sdferr says:

   March 13, 2012 at 11:40 am

   Fluke, right along with johntaylor, knows perfectly well how to be silent about the political position and arguments of her opponents, and silent she is. Choice!

   Turns out ignoring half the world is a great imaginative playtoy, enabling all manner of fantasy and frivolity.

3. palaeomerus says:

   March 13, 2012 at 11:49 am

   Yeah well they won’t silence Limbaugh either. Or anyone.

   Silencing is nothing but a daydream for angry losers who wish they were dictators but who lack the brains to turn off their own radio or change the station when they hear something they don’t like.

   It looks like Carbonite now wishes they had remained silent though.

   The backlash seems t0 always catch the professional outraged squawkers by surprise. It’s almost as if they don’t anticipate it despite the 95% probability of it occurring.

   You bop the clown and the clown falls down. The clown gets back up so the clown is corrupt. Then the clown bops you! Why? What did YOU do ?

4. Pablo says:

   March 13, 2012 at 11:54 am

   The last thing I want Sandra Fluke to do is shut up.

5. Bang Out Of Order says:

   March 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

   Bill Clinton’s got something that will silence a women.

6. Squid says:

   March 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm

   Who are these supporters?

   They are women with polycystic ovarian syndrome, who need contraception to prevent cysts from growing on their ovaries, which if unaddressed can lead to infertility and deadly ovarian cancer.

   How many women have PCOS, and how likely is it that they will have complications? Will they be required to adhere to weight loss and exercise regimens, given that inactivity and obesity are identified contributors to the syndrome? Are there existing or potential programs that could help these women, without the need for governmental intrusion into the health care choices of employers and workers?

   They are sexual assault victims, who need contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

   If you’re being sexually assaulted so regularly that you require annual renewals of your Pill prescription, I’m thinking that you have problems far outweighing the coverage decisions of your employer.

   They are Catholic women, who see no conflict between their social justice -based faith and family planning.

   I don’t know where to begin with this one. This is the depleted uranium of bad-faith progressive rhetorical prestidigitation.

7. Squid says:

   March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm

   But, despite the misinformation being spread,

   ..by you and your allies in the Women’s Glorious Progressive Movement…

   the regulation under discussion has absolutely nothing to do with government funding: It is all about the insurance policies provided by private employers and universities…

   Then why are you getting the government involved, again? I mean, last I checked, weren’t private companies, well, you know, private?

   …that are financed by individual workers, students and their families — not taxpayers.

   Workers and students? Sure you’re not forgetting anybody? If these insurance plans are financed by workers and students, then why are you demanding the government force employers to pay? Couldn’t the brave and resilient workers and students get whatever damn coverage they want, if they were the ones financing it?

   Pablo’s right — we need to keep Ms Fluke in front of the microphones every day from now ’til November.

8. Squid says:

   March 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm

   Has anyone gotten the Vagina Warriors’ take on this yet? I mean, contraception shouldn’t even be an issue for Real Wymmynz, because they’d never let themselves be subjected to degrading phallic torture-assault in the first place, right?

   Anyone got a link to a translation guide for this stuff? I can’t keep it all straight.

9. Blake says:

   March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm

   Fluke can talk all she wants. However, I choose not to listen to the infantile ravings of the spoiled self righteous twit…and I cleaned that up…

10. Pellegri says:

    March 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    According to Humanae Vitae, Catholicism has no (zero) problem with Catholics using medical treatments whose side effects might include temporary infertility, which means using the birth control pill as a hormone treatment for PCOS, endometriosis, extremely painful or irregular periods is perfectly okay. Although you are encouraged to talk to your parish or go to confession before entering treatment, or possibly consult with a Catholic physician about other alternatives that might be more comfortable for you, there is no conflict with doctrine on this point.

    So basically they’re using the laity’s lack of understanding of Catholicism on this point to generate an issue where there is none.

11. sdferr says:

    March 13, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Hillary smears pap.

12. sdferr says:

    March 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Pelligri, how does the Church speak of the concomitant dangers to the sufferer in treatment under a hormonal regime — accidental dangers as it were — accompanying that happenstance use, to step out of chaste living in temptation to sin, in the context of the whole of the teaching? Can we suppose the faithful minister would in no way impute misuse to the mere presence of a dual-use birth control medication; so does that mean a positive assumption of innocence, or does it necessitate a practical counseling against temptation, a gentle reminder, as it were, that the ban on the ordinary primary use (as contraception) is in no way waived as contra-doctrine due to the need for the secondary use (pcos, other maladies, etc.)?

13. Pellegri says:

    March 13, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    @sdferr: I can’t say I know the mind of any given Catholic minister, but based on the discussion I linked there (which started in 2004 and runs to the present), the more pressing concern most members of the laity seem to have are not whether the BCP’s use for medicinal reasons is as a backdoor into sin but rather whether it’s damaging to the body as a whole because one of its consequential side-effects is female infertility.

    And, as many of the women who comment on that thread who’ve been on the pill also attest, is not its sole or most damaging side-effect, especially as it’s often pushed as a treatment for a large number of symptoms that can be caused by things other than endometriosis or PCOS. One good example given is the case of a woman who had a fibroid mass in her uterus which was causing intermittent bleeding; removal of the mass was the only thing that permanently fixed the problem, while use of hormone pills at best masked the symptoms and at worse exposed her to a world of unwanted side effects.

    Speaking as someone who isn’t Catholic but is familiar with the (mostly government-imposed) constraints operating on the pharmaceutical industry that makes it beneficial to push physicians to operate in this particularly incurious, “if it at first diagnosis it looks like x, throw pills for x at it” manner, the fact that women are being advised to step back and examine other therapies than BCP for things it’s often prescribed for–like heavy or irregular periods, severe cramping, acne, etc.–is a good thing. There are nonhormonal treatments for all of these things, so throwing the Pill or other hormonal treatments at them is usually overkill. However, for endometriosis, certain cancers, and (sometimes, in difficult cases) PCOS, there’s not.

    That is a kind of tl;dr aside from me, but if you want the actual Church doctrine on the matter, all that Humanae Vitae says on the matter is:

    “Lawful Therapeutic Means

    15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19)”

14. batboy says:

    March 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Ms. Fluke has convinced me! Please have government agents use implicit threats of violence to take money I’ve labored to earn, so it can be spent on Ms. Fluke and her cohorts.

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