Opponents of Arizona’s law believe government officials — i.e., cops — lack the judgment to enforce Arizona’s law. But at the same time, they believe other officials can make snap judgments about who deserves a job or a superior education based on skin color.
Given this inconsistency, one has to wonder: Is the objection to the law that it won’t work, or that it will?
Come now, Jonah. Surely you aren’t going to pretend there’s no difference between the good kind of racialism and the bad kind, are you? — particularly when the important distinction is right there in the description?
I mean, hello: good kind vs bad kind? How can the difference be more striking?
Really. Your epistemic closure is showing again, brother. Borrow a towel and cover up. Racist.
Is the objection to the law that it won’t work, or that it will?
Neither. The objection is that a state had the gall to tell the lefties, statists, and career bureaucrats in the Federal goobermint to STFU and do their job by enforcing the laws already on the books.
Agreed, much of the objection is due to the fact that Arizona has left Obama looking like a deer caught in the headlights.
Had AZ done this back when GWB was in office they’s still hate it just as much, but would not have hesitated to use it as evidence of a failure of leadership at the Federal level.
I’m still wondering about such trivialities as the ratio of Latino police officers, Asian police officers, Afric-American police officers in Arizona to their racist Caucasian counterparts there. I mean, do the minority police even stand a chance at running illegals out of the country at the rate the racist Caucasian ones scrub the ArizonaReich Hispano-rein, or will the poor disadvantaged minority police have to resort to extra-legal measures just in order to keep up in the scrubbing-quota competition?
It seems like we’re getting a new example of the good racialism every day. You know you can always count on Michigan to deliver the goods.
lol!wut?
Oh, here’s a UCLA Professor who is very clear about good v bad racism.
It’s not the good kind of racism versus the bad kind of racism. The Democrats moral elasticity means that that judgment as to what constitutes bad racism could be entirely different tomorrow depending on their political needs.
What has given the bureaucrats the vapors is that those yokels at the state level have had the temerity to take action without consulting with the people, who by their very geographic location (around DC), are known to be smarter than the rest of America.
It would be advisable for the rest of the states to start getting some practice at making decisions too since the inevitable collapse of the federal government brought on by the Obama administration’s haplessness will mean they will soon have to fend for themselves.
Since proximity to DC could involve a quick entanglement in FedGov woes Mr W, the apparent signs of recognition of that possibility taking place in Virginia, though showing themselves slowly at first but now gaining momentum, may augur relatively well for the Commonwealth. But how of Maryland, fair Maryland? Are there any State actors there who demonstrate a grasp of the impending slide, and offer any path away from it to their public? Or is delusion still the byword in Annanoplace?
Darleen,
Re: My comments last night about military pay which you had the gaul to disagree with…
From today’s headlines, “Pentagon to Congress: Stop giving troops pay increases!”
Yes. Yes I am.
What’s new? These are the same fuckwits who believe the cops lack the judgement to enforce ANY law.
It’s like Congress is on a suicide mission.
Honestly, it makes me worried, this seeming desire they have to lose and lose badly in November. What’s the master plan? Blame the new Congress for all the ills of society come 2012 so that Obama can be re-elected?
Bad plan. Symbolism’s over. Been there, done that. The Left is better off running Hillary, then angling for a tranny in 2016, and maybe a dwarf in 2020.
Ilya Somin at Volokh Conspiracy has quite the discussion going on about SB 1070.
The amount of people commenting on a law they’ve obviously not read is unreal. Mr. Somin being one of them.
Link.
The 111th is the Kamakazi Kongress.
Unfortunately, that “big fat enemy aircraft carrier” they’re aiming for is the United States of America itself.
“What’s the master plan?”
Drudge reports that Obama is warning college graduates at Hampton away from “… iPods and iPads and Xboxes and PlayStations,” since ” … information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation,”.
Strategy? Yeah, that’ll work, especially with the younguns. heh.
I like the Jim Manzi’s epistemic closure debate.
The Left’s argument for every-freaking-thing can be summed up as follows: “People are too stupid to wipe their own ass, so here’s a bloated top-down federal government agency…with an SEIU workforce and an ACORN funding wing to boot…who will handle all toilet paper duties from now on.”
But of course, the conservative movement is closed off to ideas.
Blake,
I saw that last night, and I get the impression Somin HAS read it, but is deliberately misrepresenting it.
Spiny, these are also the same twits that think dialing 911 is the way to deal with intruders.
I’ll never understand how these people can claim cops aren’t smart enough to deal with SB 1070, yet in the same breath will say only police officers are smart enough to use firearms.
sdferr,
In other words, information that Big Brother has not approved…
Roger that Spiny. They’ve got to be taught who to trust, and ObamaIsHISName.
Spiny,
Which do you suppose is worse? Deliberate misrepresentation or hysterical commentary?
Either way, I think Mr. Somin is an ass for posting such crap.
Like good little totalitarians, the democrats are moving toward the abolition of elections. They want us to know that it’s not us, it’s them. You know, this whole election thing just isn’t working out.
There’s just a couple of steps that need to be taken. First, you’ve got to get some federal control over the Internet. They took the first baby steps towards that goal this week.
Then, you can get a whole boatload of illegal immigrants to vote, which means that you have to make them legal. Another hesitant step they took this week.
Sprinkle in several million absentee ballots of questionable origin, and the usual union/acorn/dead people vote fabrication, and what looks bleak for the Democrats suddenly looks like riots in the streets. When DC looks like Tehran, and enough stuff is on fire, it’s time for some good ol’ fascist boots to the necks.
I am confident that the FBI, the IRS, the ATF, Homeland security, the border patrol, the CIA, the NSA, AmeriCorps, the Secret Service, state, local, and minicipal agencies will do their bloody part to bring order back to the streets.
One really good 9/11 style jihadi disaster would fit the bill too from a crack-down standpoint, but you can’t count on those mullahs, no matter how hard you try to show the world that you are utterly spineless.
Good thing we’re so smart.
Mr. W.,
And we thought Reichstags were so 1940.
“…you can’t count on those mullahs…”
At this point it seems as though the O-Admin is looking to the Israelis to get things stirred up.
Step 1: Abandon any pretense the US stands as their ally.
Step 2: See to it the Iranians are unhindered in their uranium enrichment efforts.
Step 3: Say nothing about Scuds moving from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, while continuing on a path to putting an Ambassador back in Damascus.
Step 4: Support an Egyptian effort to declare the MiddleEast a nuclear-free zone, putting pressure on the Israeli weapons stance.
Step 5: Stand back and watch the fireworks as they engulf our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Presto, war posture enabling national crisis, whichever way one cares to look.
Is it 2012 yet?
“Is it 2012 yet?”
Nope, it’s five minutes past BobBennettisgone-o’clock. It’s going to be a few more hours afore we get there.
Bring on the dwarfs.
geoffb has the pliers.
Darleen Caesar it is, then.
Jonah, they think you are a fascist too.
Even if you point out they are. Especially because you point out they are.
Just don’t call them midgets. Because that is racist thought-speak-crime. Don’t toss them either.
Tonight you ought to party like it is 2011, yeah yeah. November 2012, party over, out of time.
The law isn’t a solution it’s a problem-management approach…
Loser Team R ones are cynically conflating violent drug cartels with for real illegal immigrants to drive support for the law and whip up their base, but this law does very little to address the violent drug cartel problem.
Mostly the law demonstrates how Team R is ready to shit on hispanics when they feel politically desperate. Hispanics won’t forget how Team R was enthusiastically supportive of the law before it was amended.
this law does very little to address the violent drug cartel problem.
Not really surprising, since it was directed at the illegal immigrant problem.
then Thomas why do supporters talk about the violent drug cartels and kidnappings et cetera when whipping up support for their law?
It’s cause it’s useful for them to conflate violent crime with all illegal immigrants…
You can applaud when they do that, but you shouldn’t wonder why Team R is becoming increasingly white.
Just another racist.
Immigration reform is just small potatoes. Well it is a big deal to democrats who think a sudden influx of 10 million + voters will keep them in power forever. But what it will do is kill the entire concept of entitlements and make us about as fiscally healthy as Greece in about a decade or so.
Arizona’s law is hardly racist (even if arguably it could be abused), but it will not address the problem either. We could end illegal immigration by merely fining employers (and homeowners) for hiring illegals and either expanding legal immigration (with a goal of assimilation) or implementing a guest worker visa program for roofers, landscapers, and drywall workers. Hell, virtually every state (not just the border ones) has towns with many dozens of Mexican workers standing around bus stops looking for some contractor or homeowner to come hire them for the day. No one cares. No employers really face any penalties. Are you telling me that there are no Americans who would gladly do physical pick up work for $8-10 an hour off the books (which I presume is what most illegals get)? Hell, if an employer did that you can be sure state revenue agencies would be all over him or her for hiring Americans off the books.
But we cannot even address that with out cries of racism, let alone deal with Islamic terror when it is in our face. Hell, now we are to blame for taking the fight to them. If only we listened to those nay sayers in Iraq, Al Qaeda of the Mesopotania might be our partners in promoting peace in that region.
Good grief, happyfeet, your “Team R” (the “moderate, centrist GOP”, I can only assume) was enthusiastically in support of Amnesty in 2006, even “Megan’s daddy”, who was a cosponsor of the McCain-Kennedy plan. Precious lot of good it did them then…
The Hispanics you think they should pander to will NEVER support “Team R” unless they promise them more handouts than “Team D”… probably not even then.
‘feets, when you say “Mostly the law demonstrates how Team R is ready to shit on hispanics when they feel politically desperate”, people can be excused for being all *.
Rahm Emmanuel is kind of dwarfish. Evil dwarf even. Or would that be evil midget? Gay evil midget? Not that there’s anything wrong with that….
And Darleen, Tom Friedman wants to chide you for being too greedy.
At least Tom could invite you to the house for some dim sum or something when he preaches to you.
Note just one thing from Friedman’s column: “[…]the lords of discipline, the Electronic Herd of bond traders, are back with a vengeance[…]”.
He’s not wrong about that.
Some art at Tom Friedman’s house. It is called, the Baby Boomers get what they deserve.
Comment by Mr. W on 5/9 @ 10:06 am
Sorry, sir, but my objection was to your proposal to slash the military BUDGET in toto.
Someone should learn the difference between Hispanics and Mexicans. And then legal and illegal immigrants.
omg we have to slash everything… we only get to be a military superpower cause we used to be an economic superpower. We’re not anymore. We are a nation of Fail.
There are charts.
The democrats raised pay and benefits to a ridicualous extent cause of they wanted to Cloward Piven it. Team R did it too cause they’re gay and weak.
But as our little country fails and flounders, the last thing we want to see is a military what is as pampered and gold-plated and entitled and untouchable as the SEIU homos.
Hispanic. Or maybe Hispan-mick?
Mexicans. Although they look kind of Peruvian.
andy stern drag queen
Someone should learn the difference between Hispanics and Mexicans. And then legal and illegal immigrants.
Why should a hispanic citizen think Team R is all good when Team R seems to think there’s something inherently violent and icky about illegals?
oh. We’re not talking about the good hispanics like you we mean the ones who came here illegally. Those ones are dirty and violent and icky. Do not want.
That’s not how it works. America is an identity politics nation, and people in America elect to be offended. Even PW people here do it all the time. They want so badly to be included in the insulted group.
So don’t be surprised when that happens with hispanics.
italics WIN!
#34 Ask ‘them.’
Cause I don’t give a shit why ‘they’ make that argument.
Better yet, why don’t you call for support of a law directed at the drug cartels?
Another Hispan-mick!
It is so racist how they are held down by the man.
Oh lookie, there is another Hispanic!
I did Thomas I told this weak nation of Fail to secure the borders after 9/11.
It didn’t listen.
Well then I guess your job is done then isn’t it?
I have nothing against Mexicans and other poor Hispanics from Central America who come here for jobs. If I were them I would too. But we have a system that promotes lawlessness, allows drug trafficers cover, and discourages assimilation and integration with society. I think it is pervese this country lets it go on and on (recognizing it is causing harm) and then some complain that trying to stop a harmful it is racist.
Unless of course you do not care about racism, but about promoting the harm it causes to the country.
There are more than enough legal hispanics to give drug traffickers all the cover they need. Drug traffickers have many monies.
Old School Latino!
Old School Hispanics!
Oh wait, they are citizens…that progressive Teddy Roosevelt again!
“There are more than enough legal hispanics to give drug traffickers all the cover they need.” You know this, how? I call BS. Source please.
it also might help if you loser Americans legalized pot and stopped shoving coke up your nose by the handful
Seeing as how this was written in 2004, it’d be hard to posit that this was written because she wanted to shit on hispanics during a time of political desperation.
I’ve never found Heather Mac Donald to be particularly screechy, btw.
You people?
Oh that’s rich.
Free the undocumented vegetation!
Agreed on #58. And it should be noted that those snowbacks are bringing over plenty of bud from British Columbia.
FTFY.Why should Hispanics give any more of a shit about illegals than anyone else does?
#58 It is always someone elses fault. Right? Word to you WRT your use of Hispano and Latino as interchangable literary devices. There are those that tend to be irate when referenced as Hispanos, when in actuality, their forebearers were the oppressed of those same Hispanos.
Team R’s message when the started this was ohnoes they shot a white rancher, Pablo. That’s very disingenuous to say Team R isn’t spotlighting illegal Mexicans as particlarly violent subspecies we do not want here.
Cause they are.
I see grieferfeet is trolling again.
We’ll see at the voting booth in 10 and 12 I guess Gulermo.
What part of illegal do you not understand is the question I’ve always heard, ‘feets. So, what part of illegal do you not understand? And why, if I’ve done it the right way, should I give Shit #1 about illegals?
Violence is a problem, but it isn’t the only problem. Guess what about illegals? I DON’T WANT THEM HERE. And my opinion is held by a large majority of Americans. Not to mention everyone else in their countries, like Mexicans.
Illegals don’t bother me. They don’t have citizenship. They can’t vote. And if you weak-assed Americans didn’t give illegals birthright citizenship and free shit you wouldn’t have near the problem you do.
Is this the only talking point the left has?
Or is our current troll just a big bucket of fail?
Phoning it in…
root causes:
* it’s easy to get here
* there’s free shit
* we can work there
Pick one.
Hint: Team R should pick the one least likely to alienate Hispanical peoples.
Comment by Gulermo on 5/9 @ 12:59 pm #
“There are more than enough legal hispanics to give drug traffickers all the cover they need.” You know this, how? I call BS. Source please.
Well maybe because Estevez and Diaz liked coke in their youth? Of course that comment Gulermo is calling bullshit on is bullshit. Don’t kid yourself, some people (a minority) do not want ‘spics here because they just don’t like ‘spics.
It’s just like the wall. You pretend that those solutions wouldn’t be relentlessly smeared as well.
Be honest. They would be.
So, towards solutions, you apply the marketing angle when you disagree with something and ignore it when you agree.
Yep, just a silly bait and switch game.
People with money never lack for cover, Joe. What are you suggesting? That this law is illegale napalm to where drug traffickers will have nowhere to hide?
I don’t see it happening, but if it does, Arizona’s only gonna be hurting itself.
I don’t mind that you have different ideas as towards solutions. I don’t like how you stack the deck rhetorically.
To end illegal immigration, you focus on number three on happyfeets’ list–you can’t work here. Since most illegals work for legitimate legal employers, fine the employers.
That btw is also race and national origin neutral. There are illegals here from Europe and Canada and other countries (beyond Central and South America) too.
no bh, my point is that it’s stupid for weak-assed Americans to give away birthright citizenship and free shit and then complain that the dirty violent Mexicans are sneaking over.
Personally I think this what we’re seeing is a lot just the usual xenophobia what is often attendant to nationfail.
happy, I do not see this law even working unless Arizona clamps down on employers who hire illegals. That is all I am saying.
The fact that Arizona is trying to deal with the problem is not in itself racist.
Angry people sometimes don’t think straight. And they get in a hurry to make mistakes. But who are the angry ones? Seems like there’s a lot of different ones at odds with one another to choose from.
bh the deck is inherently stacked. I’m Princess Leia, and Team R is my only hope. And my only hope is pissing on the heads of the hispanical ones whose help we will need in the battle to destroy the dirty socialist Death Star.
Team R is fucking delusional if it thinks it can finesse this issue to its advantage in a little country what has our demographics and a 99.4% pure devotion to identity politics.
Fuck you and your identity politics. And fuck Team D for playing the game. Fuck Team R if they even think about it.
Joe you’re right about the hirings, and I think that’s also a great way to demonstrate the productive role immigrants what are not legal play in our little country
We used to have this identity that served us extremely well. We used to call it “American”, IIRC.
Happyfeet sort of back into the root of the problem in #79. The problem isn’t immigration, or even illegal immigration – the problem is the welfare state and its many manifestations – public schools and AFDC and Section 8 and rent control, not to mention the twin bankrupt behemoths of Social Security and Medicare.
And if you weak-assed Americans didn’t give illegals birthright citizenship and free shit you wouldn’t have near the problem you do.
That would mean passing a law that targets illegal immigrants, hf. Which means that you’re advocating the same, ummmmm, what was it? Oh, yeah, the same “…problem-management approach…” that you’ve been bitching about.
Pot, kettle, black. Hypocrisy is writ large upon your brow, hf, and people can see it plainly.
BTW, that “…shoving coke up your nose by the handful…” applies not at all to me, and I find it insulting that you think I do, even in a general sense of this blog. It’s a “Have you stopped beating your wife” debate tactic. Dishonest and provocative, to say the least.
So, in the same spirit of free and open debate, FO&D, hf.
Yes we did Pablo.
JeffS. BTW. Did you see my number 47?
here is the key part Mr. S
So you are advocating building a wall, which is going to alienate the hell out of Mexicans, and stopping giving away free shit, which is going to alienate the hell out of Mexicans, blacks, and “working class” whites.
You should take Mike Steele’s place, ‘feets. You have a knack for this.
Did you mean this, HF?
“oh. We’re not talking about the good hispanics like you we mean the ones who came here illegally. Those ones are dirty and violent and icky. Do not want.”
What’s the litmus test between “good” and “dirty”? I’m interested in that. Especially as you’ve been moaning on and on about Team R targeting illegal immigrants (of the Hispanic & Mexican persuasion, at least) in the first place.
Or did you mean this?
“That’s not how it works. America is an identity politics nation, and people in America elect to be offended. Even PW people here do it all the time. They want so badly to be included in the insulted group.”
Really? I’m supposed to accept identity politics, roll over, and play dead? I can’t point out that illegal immigration is a major problem? I can’t discuss an issue because some idiot leftoid might insult me back? This is your trump card?
Please. In all the years that I’ve roaming around the INTERNET, that is the lamest way of trying to lay a guilt trip on me EVAH.
Ain’t gonna work, fool. Fuck you.
I see that you did mean #2, happyfool. Ain’t gonna work.
Yeah, but let’s forget all that and pander to any and every group of oppressed losers that decides they’re victims so we don’t lose elections, right? Welcome to Team Dirty Socialist ‘feets. It must feel good to finally be home.
All I do is look at nationfail (and worldfail) charts all day. And my xenophobia needle has yet to move to 1, let alone 11. I want more of the people from around the world coming here. A lot more. Legally. (Sorry, that’s a distinction for me. And, politically, it should be one for you, because it matters to most other people.)
Perhaps the people most supporting this legislation are actually law and order types who are experiencing real world negatives from illegal immigration. Do I have to give them all sorts of nasty ulterior motives just to think about my fellow citizens?
And my xenophobia needle has yet to move to 1, let alone 11.
Same here. I’m more concerned about our homegrown barbarians, those whose families have been citizens for generations. They seem most anxious to accelerate nationfail, especially in the last decade or so.
But there are plenty of barbarians trying to enter the gates as well. We mustn’t forget them.
Beyond the law and order fabric of society aspect, there is an exceedingly practical reason to make the legal/illegal distinction.
Illegal immigration means we can’t distinguish between the young and the old (we want young) or the educated and uneducated (we want the educated). And on and on and on. Sorry, but an old uneducated guy who doesn’t speak the language (yet close in physical proximity) has less to offer our economy than a young woman with an engineering degree who speaks English (who lives over in India). That’s just a fact.
With legal immigration we can look at our demographic and economic needs and import accordingly.
I love people that want to be Americans and/or have made the transition. They tend to just get it, moreso than a lot of people who were born that way. I don’t really care what they look like and I don’t care what language they speak, as long as it’s English.
I’ll think about your #72 though and I already agree with the war on drugs point.
I’m still seeing these picayune matters as I do the pilots of Eastern Airlines 401 tapping away at a faulty indicator lamp as their plane flew itself into the ground on autopilot at night in the Everglades, killing all aboard. Wrong problem (because minor), wrong focus of attention (because deadly).
what are they coming to and for how long will they still want to
Agreed, Pablo, that getting it is damn important.
Which makes me wonder, is that what you’re getting at, sdferr? The larger problem is the lack of getting it across the population?
Or has ‘feets put his finger on it?
I voiced it in the other thread I think bh, where we stand as I see it, where we have stood since just after the 1940’s.
Well, to be honest, sdferr, I think we’d be incredibly lucky if we only had one potentially fatal problem to face.
Your issue can kill us. So can the baby boomers’ retirement without replacement workers. So can our debt.
Joe, SB 1070 has a section in it that specifically deals with employers knowingly hiring illegals.
See section 23-212.01
So can a major war in the Middle East. Or a European debt failure. Or a Chinese overcapacity failure.
There are many balls to keep our eyes on.
also sodium
it’s in the foodstuffs, you know
I don’t for a moment deny that we have a myriad of issues to be dealt with, and to some extent though we order them by priority as best we might, still, I think some cannot be resolved without a resolution of the ground on which we agree to move forward first. Just as slavery stood as a stymie to every other issue, so does the abandonment of the meaning of our politics today. We can’t get to resolution of the social security and medicare-medicaid problems without resolving whether we will be a social democracy a la Europe, or a Constitutional Republic once again.
I hear what you’re saying.
For my part, having been persuaded of the fitness of the structures set down for us, had we not moved in the direction of social democracy to begin with, we would not be facing these particular problems, though certainly others would be on the plate. So, not only in the sense that a return to a Federal Republic would offer a means to resolve these issues, so also it would not generate the same issues all over again in future, recapitulating the same errors of politics we see Obama recapitulate vis a vis Roosevelt and the Great Depression today.
At moments like these I’m calmed only by the fact we’re fortunate enough to have in Obama a man of unquestionable competence and political integrity.
Indeed, let it be known to all across this land: fat kids SHALL be encouraged to play outdoors and sodium intake WILL be discouraged.
Darleen,
We need to slash the budget for everything. Just pay a bounty on cost savings to the bureaucrats and let greed go to work. Self interest and the public sector are old friends. And if a few people get rich? So much the better. The feeding frenzy in DC would make the Internet bubble look tame by comparison. And by the time it’s over, DC will be the backwater swamp it started out as, and we will have a federal government the same size as the one we had in 1910.
If only there was a party in power with the vision to give the do-nothing bureaucracy the tools to commit financial sepuku, and be grateful for the opportunity.
Tea, anyone?
“There are more than enough legal hispanics to give drug traffickers all the cover they need. Drug traffickers have many monies.”
Feets,
Legal hispanics are not afraid to go to the police if they become aware of trafficking and they certainly don’t have to fear the police if a loved one is kidnapped. There is a reason that Phoenix is the nation’s kidnap capital.
Do you hate the Hispanics? Because allowing them to be subjected to this environment is not compassionate. I’d argue that it is cruel and reckless.
“That’s not how it works. America is an identity politics nation, and people in America elect to be offended”
Bullshit!
The left may “elect to be offended” when it gives them political advantage but America is:
1…a country that does what is right; not what is politically correct.
2…a country that does what is difficult; not what is politically expedient.
3…a country that believes in the rule of law.
And
4…a country that the rest of the world is dying to drag down to their level.
Well Happyfeet,
#4 ain’t happening on my watch amigo. I intend my little girls to have the same opportunities that I had growing up. I will not give in to the the know-it-alls on the left that believe big government is the answer.
The same ones that think “at some point you’ve made enough money”.
The same ones that think that it is better to “spread the wealth around”.
The same ones that have no answers to Southwest America’s concerns beyond ridicule and judgemental disdain.
The statist quo is unnaceptable and unless you have a problem with the rule of law perhaps you should withhold judgement on the issue. It seems that Arizona is at least willing to try a different approach, namely: enforcing the law. Seventy percent of Arizona and Sixty percent of the Nation agrees.
At the very least they have the attention of the current administration and whether they admit it or not they are on the defensive. Pushing through a court challenge or federal law that preempts the Arizona law will only make the problem worse and Obama knows it. The ball is in his court and he will be held accountable for his action. I suspect that he will make a lot of speaches but do nothing to improve the situation.
I linked this earlier but I think it bears repeating:
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/05/jan-brewer-ad-crushes-obama.html
you know, happyfeet, you should consider the fall of the Roman Empire
which in no small part was NOT due to invasions of barbarians, but larger and larger segments of diverse people who no longer aspired to be Romans.
I saw a sign at one of the illegal folks’ protest that said “reform yes, racism no”. What I would like to ask these folks and have yet to hear anyone ask them is to define the type of “reform” they support. They can spout that “we are for reform too” bullshit all they want but tell us what the fuck it entails. It’s like “we want smaller class sizes”. Well tell us what the hell the exact number is so that when we get down to it and the kids still fail we know that they are full of shit. Define your “reform” so we can tear it apart and laugh.
Hm. Thomas Friedman may have been raised to believe in the tooth fairy. I wasn’t.
This law will not put a ding in violent drug cartels I don’t think Danger, in fact if it works as planned it will most likely increase the percentage of illegals in America what are violent criminals.
Also there is absolutely no indication that Team R is yet prepared to produce a candidate what can defeat Obama. Romney still thinks it’s his nomination to lose, and that is an unacceptable status quo if ever there was.
Do you think Arizona cops can maybe spot a narcotraficante, ‘feets? Or a coyote?
Obviously, the only answer is to legalize all drugs and throw open the borders.
Because of the hateyness!
maybe, but statistically with numbers they’ll catch loads more regular people, possibly even diverting resources away from catching the violent ones, who are violent
i think deform better describe what these clowns are doing
On what possible basis would they end up catching more “regular people?”
“At the forefront of the revolutionary movement is La Raza”
Meaning that, of all the oppressed (and chauvinistic) minority sorts, the ones leading the charge and most effective at righting the world by overthrowing whitey is Mexicans.
I find this statement chalk-full of goodies.
Has he effectively just said (to the cheers of his same-ethnicity audience) that the Mexican Political Identity is – in identity politics hierarchy – first among equals?
Or perhaps just more equal than others?
if it works as planned it will most likely increase the percentage of illegals in America what are violent criminals.
More likely, the illegal aliens – all of whom are criminals – will just leave.
regular illegal people I mean
I think it’s actually chock full.
Stupid anachronistic euphemisms. Chocks are one of the racist tools of the imperialist aggressor.
Do you think they can spot violent people, by the look of them, more easily than they can spot narcotraficante and coyotes? Keeping in mind that we’re talking about beat cops, who mostly roam around a certain area…
Are you saying that if they don’t try to spot narcotraficantes, they’ll probably find more violent people? Because the only resource they’re gonna divert is themselves and their eyeballs and maybe their cars and guns and radios. But mostly themselves.
How exactly would it work to where they catch the violent drug runners but not the nonviolent ones, and why would they want to do that anyway?
I understood regualr illegal people.
On what possible basis would they end up catching more “regular illegal people?”
Perhaps chocks is an ethnic slur?
I may be oppressing someone as I speak. I decry myself for racism against
chocksbecause this law gets invoked in the most mundane of infractions, yet the killy people won’t get caught at a higher rate cause of this law, the increase will be among the fail to signal types what are conicidentally mexicans
Aren’t chocks those things that keep fat Code Pink women from rolling around?
*coincidentally* I mean
Why should a hispanic citizen think Team R is all good when Team R seems to think there’s something inherently violent and icky about illegals?
Because the hispanic citizen isn’t illegal? And doesn’t want people who violate the law to be rewarded for it with special privledge he hasn’t recieved?
http://minx.cc/?post=301349
Just a guess.
…”if it works as planned it will most likely increase the percentage of illegals in America what are violent criminals.”
Less illegal immigrants should allow more resources to deal with the violent criminals that remain. Besides, why does the lack of a perfect solution have to be the enemy of movement in the right direction?
“Also there is absolutely no indication that Team R is yet prepared to produce a candidate what can defeat Obama.”
A little early to give in to the lamentations isn’t it? Ya know; you have a say in what candidate “Team R” produces, dont ya?
Feets you have a choice: hide in your tent and wait for the bear to finish your groceries or lock-n-load and take the bear on while he is distracted by a mouth full of your cupcakes.
I know what my choice is because eventually the bear will not be satisfied with cupcakes and those are MY cupcakes.
Cupcakes are America and cupcakes are worth defending!
So this law will catch more ‘mildly’ illegal illegals than ‘severely’ illegal illegals. Which makes perfect sense if you assume there are way more ‘mild’ ones than ‘severe’ ones.
Also, the absolute number of ‘severely’ illegal illegals in the population will only go down.
This is your idea of a counter argument?
Actually I screwed up again.
The ‘l’ is part of the root.
Does arguing with grieferfeet help you hone your arguments? I can’t see any other reason to bother.
the purple pill i hear can alleviate mild forms of illegal
It’s never too early to give into the lamentations.
I’ve seen the charts.
Team R is not offering me hope they’re offering to deport Pepe. Well Pepe doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is despite the horrific consequences of their utter and complete FAIL, Team R never thought to change its leadership in house or senate.
Fucked, well and truly, if we proceed on the basis that these homo Team R fucks what suffer from vaginal tearing will do a goddamn thing what will put our country on a path back to like what Mr. sdferr would call a Constitutional Republic.
I watched Meghan’s coward daddy ban this and ban that and just generally try to nanny everything the fuck up, and I watched Team R make this pussy their nominee.
The ball is not in my court. The ball is in the court of those losers what fawn over Palin and Romney, and we know what those ones are.
Idiots.
Me and Pepe will be over hear drinking the beer and listening to the happy festive music of his native land.
Team R is not offering me hope they’re offering to deport Pepe.
They offer me the hope of seeing Pepe deported.
Politics is not all about Happyfeet you know. Have you checked any polls on this issue?
If we’ve lost Happyfeet, we’ve lost …. well, Happyfeet.
As a bellweather he’s kind of the suxxor.
*self-inflicted* vaginal tearings I mean
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Mr. Entropy what hopes have you what you think will be fulfilled by a Team R victory? Just that it gets worse more slowly? That Team R will turn it around? That it will be a New Day?
What’s the point exactly I wonder. The dirty socialists won. The ruinous debt can’t be repealed, and the health care perversions won’t be.
We look to a future where a Team R victory is the privatization of General Fucking Motors.
Being an American used to be something you could be proud of.
#141 I’m operating under the assumption that these are the talking points that are being pimped, so yes its worth a little time.
It also helps establish a pattern.
these aren’t talking points this is just what I think Mr. D
“What bothers me is despite the horrific consequences of their utter and complete FAIL, Team R never thought to change its leadership in house or senate.”
When they needed someone to carry the ball during the obamacare symposium who did they hand it to?
PAUL RYAN! Thats who they handed it to.
Bob Bennett is out and the rest of the go along to get along gang is on notice. So back to your court Feets.
Paul Ryan is hope. He badly needs a leadership position.
I have little faith he’ll get one.
Being an American used to be something you could be proud of.
Well then, let’s just lie back and think of Venezuela. Abandon all hope, ye who oppose the great dictator Obama.
“Being an American used to be something you could be proud of.”
Then you and Pepe should just move to Mexico. At least you would be justified in giving up on the future.
We’re better than Venezuela.
Their government can’t even make cars.
“Being an American used to be something you could be proud of.”
That’s neither here nor there.
Arizona’s law is a step in the right direction. Not the wrong direction, as you are arguing.
You’ve done a massive goalpost transporation. I am on the phone with Mega Movers to see if they’d like to do a show on it.
To the extent that ‘Team R’ has failed to live up to it’s promises and gone along with the socialist program, what you’d like them to do would be more of it, and lead at large to more of the feeling of disenfranchisement of which you complain.
But that has nothing to do with your complaint about Arizona’s law as counterproductive. Nationalizing General Motors? You’ve just changed the subject.
Something you seem to do quite often in response to criticism.
Happyfeet,
Team Outlaw is not a place that “elects to be offended” but you seem to be determined to offer the exceptional exceptions.
If you aren’t interested in making a difference or don’t feel it is even worth trying then maybe you should look elsewhere for a Team Quitter because I am certain you won’t find it here.
I am not quitting at all I’m letting it be known that it is my understanding we live in a failshit dirty socialist country what apparently wants to spend their waning days as a Republic hounding meskins, Danger. The meskins are not the problem.
Americans are.
Here is why, in sdferr’s vision of a constitutional republic, in Madison’s of which we use to be proud, Pepe must have his ass deported on the first train to Teluca.
http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2007/05/21/you-are-not-alone-part-1/
The meskins are not the problem. Americans are.
If we kept the meskins, and deported the muricans, would that solve the problem?
If so, I found a team for you to play on. You’ll love them.
If not, I’d like to know what the hell you think you’re going on about.
wants to spend their waning days as a Republic hounding meskins, Danger
When Mexican’s get the lionshare of all legal immigrant spots (over 200,000 last year IIRC), your “hounding the brown peeples cuz dey is da brown” rings a bit hollow if not downright mendacious.
I think it’s just dumb. It’s the sort of shit that flows out of Obama’s piehole. Team D, ‘feets. You know you want to.
So, does His Majesty keep Biden, or maybe it’s Hillary’s turn? Obama/Somebody 2012 FTW!
That’s not what I’m saying, Darleen. I’m saying immigration is just the new gay marriage which was the new abortion.
Team R ones get led around by their nose very very easily.
Illegal immigrants? Not even closely related to why our little country has failed Darleen.
“Americans are.”
I’m an American Feets, JeffG he’s an American. Bob Reed, Rick Locke, Dicentra, Pablo, JD, Geoffb, Carin, RTO and Maggie; yup, Americans too! Entropy, Mike LaRoche, Mikey NTH, Lamont (not really) the big dummy, Lee Bascom, Darleen, JHo, TSI, Silver Whistle, Spiny Norman, sdferr, BMoe, ThomasD and CrankyD should I go on?
Take me out of the equation and you’ve got a group that is undeniably smarter and more cabable than any other group (collectively or individually) in Al Gore’s whole world wide web.
THEY ARE AMERICA!
THEY ARE WINNERS!
and
THEY ARE THE FUTURE THAT GIVE ME HOPE AND A REASON TO SERVE!
Would it were. These people here are very special, Danger. Go to the Hot Air comments and meet your fellow Americans and taste despair.
Not even closely related to why our little country has failed Darleen.
It’s an untreated symptom, hf.
Maybe you haven’t checked out the state of public education in the LAUSD over the last 24 years.
THEY ARE THE FUTURE THAT GIVE ME HOPE AND A REASON TO SERVE!
Danger, sir, I have been remiss lately in not telling you “Thank you for your service.” I am proud of you.
If you get into So Cal sometime, dinner and drinks on me.
It is not an untreated system Darleen that is an untruism. The system is the way it was made. Something changed. Oh I know. Now our little country is poor, and the dirty socialist little president man wants to play hispanics off against Team R.
Team R would never go along with this cunning scheme, you would think. The reason Team Obama is ambivalent about moving forward with immigration reform is cause Team R’s screechings obviate it I think.
Now education, that there’s a root cause of fail.
Hot Air commenters don’t have the benefit of a PW education Feets.
But you do. Question is how will you use it?
:::sigh:::
happyfeet, I’m afraid your bigotry on the illegal immigrant issue has truncated you understanding of the history around it.
Thanks Darleen,
I do have a favor to ask. I’d like you to post something for me if you don’t mind. Send me an e-mail to dangerdaveoc at gmail dot com.
So “regular illegal people” drive with tail lights out more often? Even then, the officer in question has to be able to articualte a reason to think the person he has stopped for some mundane reason is an illegal. Are you suggesting that “regular illegal people” would some how give rise to such a reason more easily?
Night all (I shoul probably call it good morning though;)
Yes. I think regular illegal people are much more likely to get stopped by the police going about their regular illegal day than a wary drug dealer would be.
Why would a regular illegal, knowing that they are illegal, be less wary? I thought part of our racist xenophobic sins was to make regular illegal people live in the shadows, afraid to call 911 or seek medical assistance.
The police officer that articulates a reason that’s as good, won’t be getting anyone deported.
That may prove true RTO. We’ll see. But the dangerous violent ones are probably not worried either way.
They’ve been living la vida crimey already.
Here we go again …
More of your infantile reasoning, ‘feets. The stupid just keeps on coming.
Now, for the obligatory …
Fuck you, ‘feets.
I don’t know you.
You and nishi have been doing a great job lately ‘feets. You are both real assets to me, Michelle, and my children.
Welcome to the dark side.
Hey happyfeet,
Didn’t I recommend a while back that you stop reading the comments at Cap’n Ed’s? It seems to give you anxiety attacks or something.
Dude, it’s like picking at a scab or tonguing a bad tooth.
Stop already with the self inflicted agony. And don’t worry about 2012.
Cream usually rises to the top.
I stopped a week ago or so but there’s a lingering miasma of omg you people are scary stupid what lingers.
About 2012… I don’t think we can take anything for granted is all and personally I don’t think we’re talking about the right things, which makes for unfertile cream soil.
Darleen’s new post is promising though.
C’mon muh man!
Have some more HOPE! I mean, Bob Bennett got defeated in Utah. The media’s panties are all in a bunch over the REICH-WING PURITY TESTS!11!1!
Purity test? How about dood tryin’ to say he’s all fiscal conservative and voting the other way! He was caught perpatratin’ a fiscal conservative, and the folks in Utah gave him his walking papers.
If you wanna read Cap’n Ed, that’s one thing, but spare yourself the horror of the threads. At least until you stop having visions of America becoming Failmerica.
Because there’s a whole lot of us that will do whatever it takes, as long as we’re able, to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Ditto for SW Michigan.
You are very heartening Mr. Reed.
That’s a good point about Bennett.
Also, windsprints.
And another ditto here, thanks Danger. And to our other fighting men and veterans around here at pw. And… wait for it… to their moms.
You’re a fine young man, bh.
I used to live in an apartment building that was mostly Mexican, and running a tuba through a sub-woofer should be grounds for deportation whether you are here legally or not.
Anytime Amigo.
(swidt)
Regular illegal Mexicans have no desire to learn English, assimilate, and become US citizens.
The only reason anyone wants them left as they are is they miss the good old days when there were peasants to exploit.
Except the Mexican elite. They never really lost having peasants to exploit. All they lost was vast swatches of land, and they want that back.
Danger, sir, I have been remiss lately in not telling you “Thank you for your service.” I am proud of you.
If you get into So Cal sometime, dinner and drinks on me.
Same here. Thanks, Danger.
oh I said hear instead of here I just saw that….
here is Pee Wee instead of tuba B Moe… he’s from Texas, kinda… he grew up there anyway… got discovered by dead Selena’s brother at a car wash.
They had a falling out. But he’s doing fine on his own so far.
He’s one of those very successful people you never hear about.
Plus he’s from Texas.
And therein lies the crux of my objection to your position. It requires assuming guilt and taking counsel of one’s fears. Why can’t we reserve judgement until we know?
I like this Texan a whole lot better.
Harry Reid’s gettin a little testy on the subject of immigrations. Check out the front of the Daily Caller.
lather, rinse, repeat
Yet again.
I like this Texan a whole lot better.
Nice, B Moe. He has long been one of my favorites from the Lone Star state. Not only steers & queers …..
Speaking of Texans, ‘feets won’t like it here anymore: