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Debate open thread

Will Herman Cain go for Bachmann’s cooz? Pull Rick Santorum’s head toward his crotch? Tune in to find out!

312 Replies to “Debate open thread”

  1. sdferr says:

    Watch Rick Santelli kick White House Stooge John Harwood right in his cavernous twat!

  2. motionview says:

    CNBC is having open mic night, some OWS er just said they are going to shut down Ocuupy Detroit tonight at 10 PM!

  3. motionview says:

    Hey, that hall may have been occupied.

  4. motionview says:

    They are having this debate at the Holiday Inn?

  5. motionview says:

    Oh wait, I just checked the Debate Countdown clock and we’ve still got 55 minutes. I’ll keep you posted. 4.3.2.1

  6. apotheosis says:

    “Cooze?”

    The funny part about words you never thought you’d see again is that you didn’t think you’d never see them again until you see them again.

  7. Abe Froman says:

    I don’t watch these things if I can help it, but someone please let me know if Cain grabs Bachmann’s cooz. Or Huntsman’s!

  8. newrouter says:

    cnbc here too @9 no worky http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b4781.htm

  9. m’kay, found it.

  10. RTO’s here so we’ll watch this thing but we’re already out of beer.

  11. candidates are on stage1!!

  12. happyfeet says:

    there’s a debate?

  13. motionview says:

    When I say “Maria Bartiromo” my lips do a little sexy dance.

  14. motionview says:

    Lord Harharwood – stick to my topics.

  15. “We’ll have questions from the smartest people on CNBC”

    which isn’t saying much.

  16. motionview says:

    Mitt’s got a lot of people in the crowd. Learning from Uncle Ron.

  17. Stephanie says:

    OT. For you football fanatics, Hank Williams was just on the CMAs doing ‘Are You Ready for Some CMAs’ with a reference to Obama and Hitler. It was epic.

  18. motionview says:

    Kramer hollering at Ron Paul. Axelrod just had an orgasm.

  19. motionview says:

    What is Kramer running for, Krugman’s job?

  20. he better say “They’re not profitable”

  21. LBascom says:

    Is there another place doing a live feed?

    Apparently I need a plugin for newrouters…

  22. motionview says:

    Newt just swiped all of the good parts of Uncle Ron’s campaign.

  23. motionview says:

    And Obama’s a lying socialist while I’m at it (newt still)

  24. newrouter says:

    @25 don’t bother it was broadcasting cnbc then stopped. and why the hell doesn’t cnbc stream it like cnn?

  25. bh says:

    I’m probably not going to go turn on the TV because I still have some work to get done. Any play by play snark y’all provide will probably be my version of watching this.

  26. crowd boos Cain character question

  27. motionview says:

    And Maria goes for the innuendo attack and the crowd boos her.

  28. motionview says:

    Crowd again boos teh question, to mittens.

  29. more booing at “Romney, would you keep Cain?”

  30. ‘president of 99%”

    make me puke, Hunstman

  31. BT says:

    leading from the bottom up. Romney read the crowd correctly.

  32. sdferr says:

    I’m in the boat with bh. More rapid snarking, snarkers, bitte Sie.

  33. happyfeet says:

    that link isn’t working Mr. newrouter

    I got my first persimmons of the session today yum

    also I got some tasty armenian beoregs which are sort of like filo dough pastries with cheeses and meats and whatever … I’m a take them home to Texas!

    also I got some sort of odd looking mushy-gloppy pastry thing from this salvadoran place where I went to get the quesadillas what look like this … I’ll learn the name if I decide to go back for more

    I found a chocolate bar with lentils in it! – how cool is that I haven’t tried it yet

    and I got a bottle of mid-priced wine from Israel for my aunt what I haven’t talked to since mom’s funeral … just cause I’m a terrible person I love her more than pickles

    and lots of cans of my favorite brand of chipotle sauce for to share with everybody… it goes really well in almost any Texas-style casserole

    and this is spicy wonderfulness I’m a bring too … go easy with this stuff

    and then I got a bottle of super cheap saki to drink on my friend T’s patio I love her patio

    and also I got some pumpkin preserves just for me to try … that is most of the story of the shoppings since I can’t watch the debate

  34. motionview says:

    huntsman – I don’t like the anticapitalist message of OWS but…

  35. happyfeet says:

    huh? session should be season

  36. a couple have mentioned banks being “too big”

    so? how’s that your job?

  37. JHoward says:

    Is this thing not live online?

  38. can companies be profitable and hire people?

    WTH?

  39. motionview says:

    Kramer has a nice sophomore econ question, that someone would ask before being counseled to switch majors to social work.

  40. JHoward says:

    a couple have mentioned banks being “too big”

    so? how’s that your job?

    It’s how they got too big that should be somebody’s job.

  41. newrouter says:

    try this one

    http://www.zahipedia.info/2010/02/19/watch-cnbc-usa-live-online/

    you need apple quick time plug in

  42. motionview says:

    Newt knows who the most important enemy is.

  43. BT says:

    did this kramer guy announce wrestling matches before he went to cnbc?

  44. sdferr says:

    Pelosi, says a caller to Levin, won’t pay the bill for plumbing work done months ago on her domicile in DC. Just the type, sez I. Seen many just such a one. Never work for lawyers is one of the early lessons. Politicians are near as bad with the sense of entitlement to your labor.

  45. motionview says:

    How in the word could they possibly agree to have this Kramer moderate.

  46. happyfeet says:

    here these look like the beoregs I got you have to click on the little pictures

    i had a spicy cheese one for lunch – those are i think the most expensive ones they’re like $3.50 each … but one is pretty much a meal – they’re very filling and rich … they had ground beef ones too and maybe a half dozen other kinds… really good foozle for a car trip or a commute I think

    the sign says it opens way before i go to work so I think this is my new quick breakfast thing

  47. motionview says:

    Maria Bartiromo – flat tax vs. prog taxes, why do you hate poor people? Herman – bite me, here’s 9-9-9

  48. motionview says:

    The crowd agrees on one thing – the press sucks.

  49. “tax codes don’t raise taxes, politicians do”

    niiiiice

  50. I’m paraphrasing mostly….

  51. newrouter says:

    mittens the jesus of the middle class

  52. happyfeet says:

    a couple have mentioned banks being “too big”

    that was a thing today maggie I can’t remember where I saw it but here’s Newt and here’s Paul Ryan

  53. motionview says:

    Harwood, to Bachmann Gov Romney is accepting the premises of the Democratic argument….
    Which is why he is the only electable candidate.

  54. motionview says:

    Uncle Ron – cut 5 departments, $1T. Sounds good, what’s next?

  55. geoffb says:

    He already had my vote so this is just gravy. Red.

  56. bh says:

    This better be a commercial break or you guys are slacking.

  57. they just came back… geeze.

    Newt: the way you fix economy is by fixing employment cause then people can buy houses.

  58. Mittens: we know how to fix economy, do opposite of Obama.

  59. motionview says:

    I was listening to Maria and had to go to my bunk momentarily.

  60. Perry: energy! energy! energy! cut regulations on everything

  61. Why do you people hate irresponsible home owners?

  62. Pablo says:

    It’s on Sirius/XM for those of you so equipped. I would have ROFL’d at the booing on the Romney keeping Cain question, but I was driving so I just LMAO’d. Good times.

  63. BT says:

    Mitt seems more animated. Perry more focused.

  64. heh, “I offered them advice that they didn’t do.”

    newt about consulting Fanny and Freddy.

  65. sdferr says:

    Keeping? As in putting up in a house somewheres for stud service?

  66. motionview says:

    harwood – you took dirty money from Freddie Mac. Newt – I told them the new lending guidelines were a disaster.

  67. JD says:

    I rarely hear the actual words Maria says.

    Is it wrong of me that i no longer give a fuck what these clowns have to say?

  68. BT says:

    Herman is fishing for an amen

  69. ugh, Hunstmasn “feeling pain”

  70. BT says:

    Huntsman goes empath

  71. motionview says:

    An actual decent question has slipped through: How do you actually deal with too big to fail? Huntsman – I’m gonna answer that other housing question.

  72. motionview says:

    Hunstman is going to “right-size” the banks? Is he afraid of hurting their feelings?

  73. if you repeal Ocare, what do you replace it with?

  74. motionview says:

    Maria – You all want to repeal Obamacare? What then? 30 seconds!

  75. Pablo says:

    if you repeal Ocare, what do you replace it with?

    Boobies! Let’s see ’em, Maria!

  76. sdferr says:

    1/7th to 1/6th of the economy quick in 30 seconds! mas rapido! andele!

  77. motionview says:

    He went there – Princess Nancy says Mr. Cain

  78. Hunstman- eh
    Ron paul – just get gov out.
    Perry – send medicaid back to states.
    Cain – HR 3000, ‘princess nancy”
    mittens – return to states medicaid, let individuals buy insurance, get hc working like a market.

  79. BT says:

    outsource healthcare to walmart

  80. motionview says:

    Everyone is agreeing with Uncle Ron.

  81. JHoward says:

    One of these people needs to teleprompter pw.

  82. motionview says:

    Newt – you are asking ridiculous questions.

  83. Newt: 30 seconds on this is redonkulous.

  84. newrouter says:

    go newt throw it in their faces

  85. JHoward says:

    Uncle Ron is right a lot.

  86. you gonna answer this stupid questtion or not!?

  87. BT says:

    maria is pissed

  88. bachmann – let people buy insurance from wherever they want. malpractice reform

  89. Santorum – I made HSAs!! proposed block grants for medicaid! second number 2, I’m gonna answer housing question.

  90. BT says:

    Rick needs a better PR guy, wouldn’t have to blow his own horn.

  91. motionview says:

    Santorum is really trying to differentiate himself from the group.

  92. BT says:

    bless his heart

  93. Rick needs a better PR guy, wouldn’t have to blow his own horn.

    I think that’s all he knows…

  94. newrouter says:

    mittens needs 3 or more mouths

  95. motionview says:

    Harwood to Romney – You agree that government has a large role to play in people’s lifes, ala RomneyCare.
    Again, the electability shines through.

  96. Uncle Ron- Imma answer house question too!

  97. motionview says:

    Unprogrammed joke by the lefty. Awkward late non-laugh.

  98. motionview says:

    Well, the bald lefty on the left. Not Kramer.

  99. sdferr says:

    Who pissed on Maria was it?

  100. motionview says:

    Quick, leftover Ina Garten Company Pot Roast on cheap white bread with mashed potatoes and extra starch!

  101. newrouter says:

    hoping someone slams the education establishment and the bubble

  102. RTO’s swearing at cnbc social security graphic fest…

  103. sdferr says:

    Well, the bald lefty on the left. Not Kramer.

    Oh, Liesman is there too?

  104. rick santelli! and um, i missed her name…

  105. Caterpillar CEO, how will you cave to dems?

  106. he actually said ‘country before party”

  107. Romney, you’ve caved…. um, should repubs be nervous?

  108. newrouter says:

    there are no “good” proggs mittens

  109. Mittens: Pres is driven by reelection.

  110. Pablo says:

    Romney: I know how to bend over.

  111. Perry: TX got Caterpillar biz. nuff said.

  112. Pablo says:

    Perry: Fuck the Democrats! Let’s make some money, y’all!

  113. BT says:

    Perry goes duh

  114. oof, three dpts I’ll get rid of commerce, education, and um….

  115. newrouter says:

    perry hits a speed bump oh allah

  116. Pablo says:

    Perry: I’m really not very good at this. Remembering is hard.

  117. Cain:if they understand it they will demand it!

  118. BT says:

    If they understand it they will demand it

  119. BT says:

    sorry maggie

  120. motionview says:

    The magical 10:1 tax cuts make their expected return! May Chris Wallace’s armpits be infested with syphilitic bedbugs.

  121. Mittens: deficit is moral issue, not just dollars and cents. Don’t want to raise taxes on anyone.

  122. Joe says:

    Maria is a bit bitchy, but she gives me a leg tingle.

  123. sdferr says:

    Don’t want to raise taxes on anyone.
    But will if you’ll only kiss him Democrats . . .

  124. Bachmann – I opposed payroll cuts so I’d let them expire.

  125. aw, huntsman’s lonely.

  126. newt’s takin notes….

  127. hunstmans: WSJ loves me!

  128. newrouter says:

    jonny claims credit for the huntsman fortune

  129. BT says:

    Huntsman wants a hug

  130. motionview says:

    Perry demonstrates you why we need a professional politician by saying he’ll close three departments and then can’t name them. He looks at Uncle Ron, who holds up five fingers, and then tries to feed Perry departments to close.
    That amateur Cain’ll be the death of us.

  131. sharon epperson, student loan q.

  132. how will you make college affordable?

  133. BT says:

    ah the education bubble

  134. Ron Paul: gov creates bubbles. end the fed!

  135. motionview says:

    Newt – The Welfare State is dead.

  136. Newt: gov loans make kids lazy.

  137. and the crowd goes wild!

  138. Maria, you can’t expect him to remember a list!

  139. BT says:

    I wonder if they will address tenure

  140. newrouter says:

    you know i give perry a pass on his mind fart. i wish his supporters did the same.

  141. BT says:

    Perry recovered OK.

  142. mittens: China is cheating.

  143. newrouter says:

    mittens the trade warrior. neo con bs

  144. Stephanie says:

    So is Ace gonna attack Cain for his inability to coherently elucidate his campaign platform on energy jobs and his plan to end the DOE? OH wait…

  145. BT says:

    China is a big fat cheater says Mitt

  146. Joe says:

    I liked Cain comment about taxes and China.

  147. motionview says:

    Does everyone pretend they don’t hear Maria at first so one may lean in a little closer?

  148. motionview says:

    Newt – I’m sending Hunstman back to China.

  149. Joe says:

    Gingrich? WTF Huntsman does not speak Mandarin any more than Charlie Chan did.

  150. BT says:

    Huntsman should answer in chinese

  151. Joe says:

    Huntsman, the Sino-metrosexual. With lots of grinding.

  152. motionview says:

    People with no sense of humor should never try to tell a joke. (Huntsman) But what else am I going to do tonight (me).

  153. newrouter says:

    mormon on mormon

  154. BT says:

    Bachmann mentions the chinese chips and the national security risk

  155. Joe says:

    The Sino-metrosexual bitch slaps Newt, and Romney does business. So there. And Bachman does not like Chinese actors.

  156. motionview says:

    Kramer to Cain – don’t answer 9-9-9. Here’s the question: How do we make stock markets safer for individual investors?

  157. Pablo says:

    Kramer needs a ball gag.

  158. bh says:

    Faster! Faster!

  159. newrouter says:

    go herb!

  160. Joe says:

    You had me with Dodd Frank is a problem.

  161. heh 2 other problems with Dodd Frank is Dodd and Frank.

  162. motionview says:

    Line of the night to Cain – the two biggest problems with Dodd-Frank are Dodd and Frank.

  163. Pablo says:

    The two other biggest problems with Dodd-Frank: Dodd and Frank.

  164. motionview says:

    whoo you’re fast maggie. You don’t have a film out under the name Kitty Softpaws do you?

  165. BBHunter says:

    Mui tanks for the comments – it ran for a bit and then stopped.

  166. no, unfortunetly, I don’t

    oh joy, debate reactions!

  167. happyfeet says:

    Hong Kong is down more than 4% that’s like if you had 100 cupcakes this morning now you have 96 and you haven’t even eated one yet

  168. sdferr says:

    You guys are the best, thanks for the infill, most enjoyable debate so far.

  169. motionview says:

    We need a word, the act of going back through a comment stream and laughing at your own jokes. Light connotations of shame and titillation, streaked through with a sad emptiness and light snacks.

  170. bh says:

    Hong Kong is down more than 4% that’s like if you had 100 cupcakes this morning now you have 96 and you haven’t even eated one yet

    Their soft landing is just like all the other soft landings you’ve heard about. Fictional.

  171. bh says:

    Thanks guys. Many lols were had.

  172. geoffb says:

    Cain to be on Greta to discuss debate.

  173. sdferr says:

    Yowie! Hurricanes are bad enough when it’s warm. Must suck something awful to be freezing on top of it.

  174. geoffb says:

    Perry made it to Youtube already.

  175. BT says:

    Analysts want to drive a stake through Perry’s heart

  176. BT says:

    I think he survives it
    A lot depends on what happens to Cain

  177. BBHunter says:

    – Speaking of words, my kiddo just coined one.

    – He said to me – “Dad, progressives and Demorcats seem to suffer from “taxfixation”.

  178. Stephanie says:

    I think he’s (Perry) toast. It’s already made it to insty. How the F do you forget one of the platforms in your own damn campaign?

  179. geoffb says:

    Watching the video made me like him as the came across as human and with a sense of humor about himself.

  180. bh says:

    Italy is fucked, btw.

  181. leigh says:

    Perry has been keeping his powder dry the last two weeks and doing a lot of retail politicing. Being a victim of brain freeze myself, especially when it matters most to look sharp, I give him points for recovering when he got another question.

  182. newrouter says:

    perry’s mind fart is little green aceballs. get over that shat happens. you too redstate and dannyboyreihl.

  183. BT says:

    Americans are a forgiving lot.

  184. motionview says:

    The answer to the Italy question should have been: Italy is today where Barack Obama will take America tomorrow.

  185. sdferr says:

    Dunno the Italy question, but:

    The answer to the Italy question should have been: Italy is today where Barack Obama will take America tomorrow.

    This.

  186. newrouter says:

    i just wish the perry clowns would shut up about the “gotcha stuff”. the effin’ enemy is the commies.

  187. motionview says:

    I linked this earlier but with all the potential cooz lunging it might have gotten lost. Judicial Watch has email from the NLRB showing them complaining over who will get credit for closing Boeing South Carolina and joking that they’ve screwed up the US economy and are ready for the rest of the world.

  188. BBHunter says:

    – If you liked the Socialism in Italy, you’re going to absolutely love the Socialism in Greece.

    – Frances version of Socialism is lagging behind the loser collective parade, but they’ll catch up.

    – O’fuck and his Proggs have so many fine examples to point to and lead from behind.

  189. Stephanie says:

    I am frequently a victim of brain freeze. I am dyslexic. Not only do I have brain freeze, I get into word substitute ruts. For several months, every time I wanted to say umbrella I said xylophone. Don’t know how don’t know why. I even pictured the object but the word umbrella doesn’t come and as soon as xylophone comes out I know it’s not right. Umbrella/xylophone lasted about three months. I await the next weird incident like that one with the trepidation of a Tourette’s sufferer in a room full of nuns.

    My point is that that is the one ‘whoops’ that was commented on all over the net. It was a big giant collective OH SHIT! moment. Twitter was a flitter with it, too.

  190. happyfeet says:

    Governor Rick was probably thinking hey isn’t this persimmons season I bet it is I’m a get me some after this stupid debate thing

  191. Abe Froman says:

    No doubt the media will run with it to advance their chosen narrative about Perry, but everyone on fucking Earth has brain farts. It’s really not a gaffe in the same way that saying something stupid is. Like, for instance, calling a hatched-faced hag like Pelosi “Princess Nancy” when you have other hatchet-faced hags lining up to accuse you of being a predator.

  192. bh says:

    If Greece had played out smoother with some real austerity conditions I’d have some hope for Italy. That just spooked the shit out of people.

    Italy is looking to roll over €300 billion short term. That’s equivalent to Greece’s entire GDP.

    Fun.

  193. geoffb says:

    This on Perry I agree.

  194. sdferr says:

    7-11 used to be based in Dallas. Had my first Slurpee there in the late ’60s, without prior warning of the effects of brain freeze. Deadly.

  195. geoffb says:

    #Italy. Somewhere I heard said they need to keep interest rate under 5.5% and that they are looking at 7% right now.

  196. newrouter says:

    eff this bullshat

    Update: Zero Hedge has the gruesome “flash crash” during Perry’s answer as captured on InTrade.

    Update: CNN, live in the spin room: “I’m sure glad I had my boots on because I sure stepped in it out there.”

    Update: WaPo’s Aaron Blake tweets: “Top Perry fundraiser to me: ‘Perry campaign is over. Time for him to go home and refocus on being Gov of TX.’”

    Link

  197. sdferr says:

    Their 10 was at 7.43 or thereabouts this morning geoffb, though I heard their pitching point was closer to 6.something(3?).

  198. cranky-d says:

    Ace started hammering on Cain again in the live chat. That wasn’t surprising.

    I don’t think the debate changed anyone’s mind.

  199. cranky-d says:

    With respect to newrouter’s link, the MBM wants to get rid of everyone but Romney, because Romney cannot hammer the president on ObamaCare.

  200. Pablo says:

    What was Perry’s #1 policy issue again?

    Oh.

    Energy.

  201. Joe says:

    I litteraly felt sorry for Perry’s brain fart. I did not take it to mean he was stupid or didn’t know what he was talking about. It is like a stutter.

  202. sdferr says:

    Santelli said this morning he thought at the rate it’s moving the Italian 10yr could be 10% in a couple of weeks. Peeps just looked at one another without saying anything, but their faces said, “Oh, fuck.”

  203. Stephanie says:

    Saw that Cranky had to close the tab. I feel for Perry, but this was live on stage and all the other candidates/bloggers/alphabets have to do is say ‘how can you forget one of the planks in your own platform it’s like he’s not into this campaign thing.’ Which then furthers the meme of him being ill prepared and not taking his candidacy seriously and maybe it’s just a talking point to get elected shit.

  204. leigh says:

    I don’t think the debate changed anyone’s mind. Agreed on that, cranky.

    Stephanie, I am convinced that I have a form of aphasia and dyslexia. I invert numbers when recording data and tenses when speaking and frequently forget words. I feel Rick Perry’s pain.

    At least he didn’t make any cracks about the wimmins and was a good sport.

  205. Abe Froman says:

    This on Perry I agree.

    But even with regard to a statement that moronic, leftards refused to concede how pathetic it was. I vividly recall words to this effect: “He’s a genius, you idiots. Clearly he was including territories like Puerto Rico, Guam, etc!”

  206. motionview says:

    I would have liked more Santelli, and a little more from Santelli. He could have asked a big picture question about the TEA Party and our fiscal future and I can’t even remember what he asked, something about anxieties?

  207. sdferr says:

    How did Bachmann do on the whole? Did she get shoved aside, or was she afforded enough time to make a showing for herself?

  208. bh says:

    Crazy yield increases feed into margin requirement increases which decreases speculative support, sdferr.

    People were pegging 7% as the place that dynamic (increased margin requirements) kicks in earlier today.

    For comparison, not sure what the bund is at now. Probably below 5.5%

  209. newrouter says:

    kinda depressing to give perry a pass. but the perry peeps are arseholes. hey allan, ace #owspoopdivision

  210. bh says:

    Sorry, I’ll stop with Italy. I’ve become morbidly obsessed today.

  211. Stephanie says:

    JOPA fired. Interim coach and not coaching Sunday.

  212. leigh says:

    JOPA and Spanier fired!

  213. BT says:

    Sdferr

    She asserted herself. She brought up the counterfeit chips.

  214. sdferr says:

    bh, I heard one fella kind of complaining about insurance written to hedge on the Italian bonds (what are they, CDS’s?) . . . anyhow, he suggested that without banning the hedging instruments outright no one knows what the interest rates would be in their absence, though it isn’t clear to me how such knowledge would make things better or worse, and hence what the grouse was about.

  215. geoffb says:

    And Penn students rioting over it.

  216. newrouter says:

    are psu students “conservatives?”

  217. Abe Froman says:

    The weird part about firing Paterno is that he’s been like Weekend At Bernie’s guy for a while already. Just a crazy old coot piling up fake victories for his own vanity while the team is coached by others.

  218. Abe Froman says:

    are psu students “conservatives?”

    You’re a Pennsyltucky hickboy, why don’t you tell us.

  219. newrouter says:

    jen the rube

    It was a moment so painful, the embarrassment so great, that the principle reaction among tough-as-nails reporters was pity. Fifteen minutes or so later in the debate he recalled that the third agency he was planning to eliminate was the Energy Department. But in bringing it up once more, he only underscored the flub.

    Link

    hey jen you romney loser eat sh)t and do nyt

  220. Jeff G. says:

    Bachmann did well. And I think Gingrich likes a lot of what she says, for what it’s worth.

    I’d vote for her in a heartbeat.

  221. Stephanie says:

    Ya no shit, Abe. I was watching Mike & Mike this morning and I knew he was toast. Siragusa was absolutely brutal in his take down of Paterno. Then they had First Take on and Mike Millan? McMillan? was on, a former PSU player, and he broke down in tears over the fact that the asst coach that caught em in the act and went home and called daddy didn’t do more and that he was disappointed in Paterno.

    The writing was on the wall. I thought maybe they might let him go til Sunday after the Senior Recognition game on Saturday.

  222. Jeff G. says:

    Perry forgetting something — particularly if he just froze on a list, and ENERGY of all things is what he left off — wouldn’t concern me for a second, ordinarily.

    Except that the Perry people on Twitter are largely nasty and hateful to other candidates. So let them stew tonight. I plan to ask them later if they believe his campaign handled the number 3 properly. And how does their failure to handle number 3 in a timely fashion raise more questions than it answers while at the same time give us an insight into their preparedness to lead?

    ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

  223. newrouter says:

    “You’re a Pennsyltucky hickboy, why don’t you tell us.”

    joe pa is 83. the psu collect the money from joe. “higher education” is a scam. go khan academy. eff the commie teachers.

  224. Jeff G. says:

    Joe —

    When I was lecturing — and I’ve done some radio, as well — I have the same problem Perry does. I’m just not the greatest extemporaneous speaker. Has nothing to do with intelligence.

    Now. If the Perry supporters would stop calling Cain a “dumbass” and the like, they’d probably get more sympathy when their own guy forgets what 33% of his own platform.

  225. Jeff G. says:

    Heh, Ace was hammering on Cain? For what?

    Cain consistently made it through the number 3 without problem.

  226. Stephanie says:

    Except that the Perry people on Twitter are largely nasty and hateful to other candidates. So let them stew tonight. I plan to ask them later if they believe his campaign handled the number 3 properly. And how does their failure to handle number 3 in a timely fashion raise more questions than it answers while at the same time give us an insight into their preparedness to lead?

    ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

    This!

  227. sdferr says:

    Well yeah, but Cain’s a mathematician, so he would.

  228. leigh says:

    I’m with youse two, Abe and Stephanie. I knew it was all over but the bonfires when McMillan started bawling. I personally want to slap JOPA for pretending he hadn’t a clue.

  229. Ernst Schreiber says:

    On the booing the moderators over the Cain allegations question:

    What’s the over under on a Herman Cain booed at debate when questioned about sex harassment allegations story?

  230. BBHunter says:

    – Bachmann is a smart cookie. Remember, she was Bush II’s comm/PR chief. She knows how it works.

    – On Paterno. Everyone knows he’s at least partially senile, so they sort of left him in place as payback for all the years of winning football. Unfortunately this happens. It would have been better for him if he’d been retired a few years ago when his mental facilities started to wain, but the Penn people all love him and didn’t want to let him go.

  231. Jeff G. says:

    Abe —
    That’s how Cain used to refer to her on his show. And clearly, he doesn’t give a fuck about those who’d falsely accuse him.

    Steph —

    I brain freeze — pause, generally — and I live in fear of doing it on, say, radio. It’s usually when I’m searching for a word and it just won’t come.

  232. sdferr says:

    “…she was Bush II’s comm/PR chief…”

    Uh, no. You’re thinking Dana Perino maybe?

  233. Stephanie says:

    Drudge Headline about Perry

    53 Seconds

    Brutal. Might get a little overshadowed in the public domain though due to JOPA. Best he can hope for at this point. Plus I believe this gives Cain some breathing room. The JOPA thing not the Perry oops thing, I mean.

  234. Stephanie says:

    It’s usually when I’m searching for a word and it just won’t come.

    This is what happens to me. I know it’s there it just won’t come. I have found that visualizing the word actually passing over my tongue actually helps. The xylophone thing was really weird, though. I would be all ‘umbrella’ in my brain with the picture and the word accessible and out popped xylophone. Every Time. My family now calls umbrellas xylophones. Haters.

  235. sdferr says:

    heh, mean brood you got there Stephanie.

  236. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Michelle Bachmann is the the god-bothery, fetus-loving rightwing harridan who embarrasses all the bien-pensants whom she represents at Saint Cloud State University, Saint Cloud, Minnesota.

  237. geoffb says:

    What’s the over under on a Herman Cain booed at debate when questioned about sex harassment allegations story?

    HuffPo didn’t play it that way – yet.

  238. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I really, sincerely hope you didn’t experience a micro-stroke Stephanie.

  239. Danger says:

    Do ya think we could call up teh Fred from the reserve retired list?

    If Romney ends up getting the GOP nomination I’d give the old classic man even money on a Tea Party/Independant candidacy.

  240. happyfeet says:

    I for one enjoy reading your thinkings about Italy

    today was shocking and it’s creepy how hardly anyone seems to be talking about it

  241. Joe says:

    It is unfortunate and unfair to Perry, but he is not in a Kings Speech position. He is running for President–and in this day and age public speaking matters. I would vote for Perry, even if he is not my first choice for nominee. I did feel bad for him tonight.

  242. newrouter says:

    First, They Came for Mel Bradford

    Posted on | November 9, 2011 | 15 Comments and 11 Reactions

    Karen Kraushaar made this horse ‘very uncomfortable,’ according to
    friends of the horse, who requested anonymity

    “I love Cain’s story. He’s a guy who came from nowhere and did well, obviously against heavy odds. He’s a doer and a straight-talker, which I don’t see enough of from either party.”
    – Clint Eastwood

    “On his radio program Tuesday, Mark Levin aired a clip of veteran journalist and CBS anchor Bill Kurtis on WLS saying that Herman Cain’s accuser, Sharon Bialek, is a former CBS employee with a ‘track record.’ Given her checkered past, a chuckling Kurtis posited that Bialek‘s and Cain’s roles in the alleged car-incident could even have been reversed.”
    – Tiffany Gabbay, The Blaze

    “Yes, we should have standards and those standards should be higher than Democrats set for themselves. But those standards do not mean we have to join in every petty overwrought hyper-ventilated reaction from the left-blogosphere against one of our candidates.
    “And for all the not-liberal bloggers out there who joined in, don’t worry, your candidate will get his in turn.”
    – Professor William Jacobson (emphasis added)

    Years ago, I began joking that I ought to write a book about the paleocon/neocon feud called, First, They Came for Mel Bradford, which title references the now often-forgotten 1981 battle over who would be chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts in the Reagan administration. Bradford was a brilliant intellectual who had made the career-damaging mistake of questioning the rightness of Abraham Lincoln’s policies, and lost the battle, so that the NEH chairmanship (and subsequent honors) went to Bill Bennett.

    The point of such a history — one of those Books No One Will Ever Pay Me to Write — would not be to vindicate one side or the other, but rather to explain how such intra-coalition conflicts come about, examine the tactics by which the neocons succeeded in their various purges (e.g., against Pat Buchanan and Sam Fraicis, among others), and to point out how these “inside baseball” squabbles among intellectuals shaped the conservative movement and affected the Republican Party.

    As Richard Weaver once observed, Ideas Have Consequences, and the ascendancy of the neocons among conservative intellectuals from the 1980s onward has had profound consequences. For the past five years, since the humiliation of the Bush administration in the Republicans’ 2006 mid-term wipeout, there has been a sort of reappraisal and realignment, with free marketeers and constitutionalists asserting their influence at the expense of the neocons. Advocates of limited government have been vindicated by the failure of “Compassionate Conservatism,” and those who support a serious effort to enforce our national borders now clearly hold the whip hand against the open-borders apologists.

    Factional infighting continues, of course, but it is no longer within the power of the neocons to purge their critics, and while this may not result in a paleocon revival, we can see much of the Old Right sentiment in the sturdy populism of the Tea Party, the criticism of the Federal Reserve, and the willingness of mainstream Republicans to question the FDR/LBJ legacy of Welfare State entitlements.

    The problem with purges in politics, as I said when Charles Johnson tried to purge Pamela Geller, is that you can’t build a successful movement through the process of subtraction. If we wish conservatism to be a genuinely powerful force in American politics, we need to agree that our allies — generally united in the common cause — must be permitted to honestly disagree among themselves without suffering denunciation and banishment. Because political coalitions are a matter of voluntary association, we must beware of those who arrogate to themselves the authority to declare that their own antagonists or rivals are persona non grata to the larger movement.

    The question to be asked in such an instance is whether the person or faction targeted for elimination is helpful to the movement. Have they stood with us and performed useful service in battles past? Are they willing and able to assist us in future battles? Will we lose more than we gain by purging them?

    Whenever this topic arises, there are those who will cite Buckley’s purging the Birchers in the early 1960s as a precedent for purging whatever faction or person is proposed to be purged now. But the movement in its maturity is not the movement in its infancy.

    To cast off the JBS as a danger to the more mainstream reputation conservatives sought to gain in the 1960s was a different thing than arguing, as Geller’s critics did 2007-09, that the success of the conservative movement was at stake because of an incidental association with (alleged) “Euro-fascists.”

    All of this is prelude, of course, to talking about the recent attempt to throw Herman Cain under the GOP bus.

    Nuh-uh. Not on my watch, not if it is within my power to prevent it, and certainly not on the say-so of Sharon Bialek, Karen Kraushaar, Gloria Allred and Joel Bennett. They don’t get to exercise the heckler’s veto on who gets to ride the conservative bus and, however this epic saga ends, I’m not going to collaborate with the enemy in the destruction of Herman Cain. Because I’ve seen auditoriums full of conservatives leap to their feet and give Herman Cain enthusiastic standing ovations, and if we’re going to beat Obama in 2012, we need that kind of candidate, not some milquetoast who reads talking points and gets only tepid “golf claps” in response.

    What Professor Jacobson says is dead on target: If Cain isn’t your candidate, and you’re going to cheer while Cain gets destroyed this way, “don’t worry, your candidate will get his in turn.”

    As someone who has witnessed good men be destroyed when the elites got the “urge to purge,” and lived long enough to see the purgers suffer their karmic recompense, I know the truth of what Jacobson says.

    Link

  243. Ernst Schreiber says:

    We couuld always start a draft Palin movement.

  244. Danger says:

    “today was shocking and it’s creepy how hardly anyone seems to be talking about it”

    Feets,

    They were talking about it on Fox. Did you see how the other bubbleheaded bleach blondes (gratuitus song reference;) explain the stock market dive?

  245. happyfeet says:

    I missed that on the tv mostly I just meant the blogs

    meaning the three or so blogs I read

    but mostly today I shopped anyway

    oh crap my suitcase is all fulled up and I didn’t leave room for the beoreg thingers

    oh well I guess I can freeze them

  246. Stephanie says:

    I really, sincerely hope you didn’t experience a micro-stroke Stephanie.

    It wasn’t. Went to the doctors lots of tests cause I have migraines, too and it eventually quit. I am proud to say umbrella with the best of y’all. First time, too. No more ‘xylophone I mean umbrella!!!’ for me.

    I did start having blood pressure issues about 3 years later, though. Like in abnormally high one day 180/155 and then abnormally low the next 80/50. Eventually developed Bell’s Palsy and they got the BP thing under control with meds and the Bell’s Palsy went away. That was really weird, though. Left the office and half way home couldn’t get a straw to stay in my mouth and kept drooling Coke on myself. Then I got home and the daughter was all “why are you winking at me?” Whole side of my face just went out. Finished cooking dinner, ate and went to the hospital. I knew enough to know that if my forehead muscles were working and the rest of my body was working it wasn’t a stroke. Fastest time from walking into the ER to being seen by a doctor I can ever remember. The palsy lasted about 3 weeks and was mostly gone after one week. But it was freaky. I was being treated for having ear problems after returning from a diving trip to the Keys and they never did pinpoint exactly why the palsy came on but it was the same side as the ear trouble and that nerve is very close to the auditory nerve.

  247. bh says:

    today was shocking and it’s creepy how hardly anyone seems to be talking about it

    My work-time friends aren’t creepy. They were all talking about. No, what they are is depressing and nerdy.

  248. newrouter says:

    “We couuld always start a draft Palin movement.”

    Let me add that The Mate voted for Obama but has thoroughly learned her lesson by now.

    There are those who would vote for a syphilitic camel in the next election rather than see Obama win. Why do that when you could vote for Sarah? If she runs. As a third party candidate. If she was in the race I’d vote for her. Any party. Any time. And given the Mate’s reaction to the current field I think there may be a hidden reservoir of unnoticed support (how is that for redundancy?).

    I think it is time the Republicans went the way of the Whigs. And they might very well do that if Sarah takes up the banner.

    Update: 9 Nov 2011 1510z

    Link

  249. happyfeet says:

    people should be talking i think cause this movie is coming to a theater near you

  250. bh says:

    In the future we will all dance to free radio pop songs without any expensive irony or frivolous cynicism.

    This future… starts now.

    One.

    Two.

    Three.

  251. Pablo says:

    Cain escapes serious damage in Republican debate

    Well, who could have seen that coming?

  252. BBHunter says:

    – Yeh. Talk about brain farts, that was a big one. No, not Dana. I’m obviously confusing her with someone in the McCain or Bush campaigns, and I can’t recall who. No big.

  253. sdferr says:

    The Bell’s P. is crazy frightening when one wakes up in the morning, goes into the bathroom to shave without awareness of its presence only to be confronted by its visage staring back at one from the mirror. Shriek-worthy, even.

  254. Stephanie says:

    Karen Hughes? The office assistant that went on to demand we understand poor muslims and be kind to them.

  255. newrouter says:

    hey gov. perry is ok. quit playing their game.

  256. BBHunter says:

    – Yep. That’s her.

  257. Stephanie says:

    sdferr, it came on literally in 15 minutes. Popped into the boss’ office to say see ya tomorrow, rode the elevator 15 floors, went to the parking garage and didn’t get 3 miles down the road before I drooled Coke all over myself. Since the rear view isn’t a full facial type mirror, I couldn’t see the whole carnage. It took the daughter saying something to get me to go look into the mirror. Horrors! I thought at first it was a reaction to the meds from the ear issue. I got a bacterial infection from diving and figured it was related. Not.

    Anyways all better now and the end of the old lady’s litany of ailments. God I sound just like my grandmother… :(

  258. Jeff G. says:

    I wonder what must go through the minds of the Palin haters who moved to Perry when Perry is compelled to begin talking about crony capitalism and its ill effects on the market.

    I mean, is it less silly and populist-y coming from somebody who wears cowboy boots? How does that work, exactly?

  259. happyfeet says:

    i bookmarkered all three!

    herer is what is sort of dazzling me when I’m not listening to Mr. Example

    be sure to watch the video they did a neat job… I think they may have had a budget or something

  260. happyfeet says:

    here I mean

  261. sdferr says:

    This was the experience of a 23 yr old I relate Stephanie, one who’d never heard of Bell’s, had no idea such a thing could exist. He too got better after a time, but the echo of that shriek is with me today.

  262. Stephanie says:

    Some days I really love the internet.

    Dear Mr. Gregory:

    Apology not accepted.

    We think you meant exactly what you said, and we demand you prove otherwise.

    We will henceforth proceed under the assumption that you’re guilty of our accusation, until you prove to our satisfaction that you’re innocent.

    Keep in mind that a mere denial of this very serious charge will simply raise more questions than it answers.

    Your rules. Your turn.

    Signed,
    Anonymous

  263. Stephanie says:

    Wow. I was 46 when it hit. And I had gone through stroke stuff with my FIL so I knew enough to stay calm and just reach for my towel. That had to be freaky for a youngun.

  264. serr8d says:

    “We couuld always start a draft Palin movement.”

    That Joe McGinniss fellow pretty much assassinated her will to run. May he wake up underneath a sack full of Jerry Sanduskys.

    Oh, ‘feets, here’s a Japanese virtuoso techno-violinist you’ll like.

  265. sdferr says:

    Oh, ‘feets, here’s a Japanese virtuoso techno-violinist you’ll like.

    Well heck, how about a beach-ball with appendages, in honor of Stephanie’s umberrella?

  266. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That Joe McGinniss fellow pretty much assassinated her will to run.

    Well. Mission Accomplished! then.

    May he wake up underneath a sack full of Jerry Sanduskys.

    Why not in a sack full of Sanduskys? Just before they sew it up and toss it into the Tiber.

  267. Stephanie says:

    Damn, Paterno is gonna beclown himself over this before it’s over. His people are reporting that he is pissed that they fired him before he got his super awesome record? Seriously? And he just came outside basking in the crowd adulation on his front porch. Now his spokespeople are telling ESPN he ‘didn’t understand’ what was going on when McQueary came to his door and that he didn’t do anything wrong. Incompetence as a defense. Sad. All me, me, me and woe is me.

    Siragusa was blasting him this morning for having a 5 paragraph statement earlier this week focusing on the football program and the week’s activities with a oh yeah, let’s say a prayer for the victims tacked to the bottom.

  268. happyfeet says:

    the violin guy is very very bookmarkworthy too

  269. BT says:

    You guys come up with tunes i never would find on my own, thanks for that.

  270. happyfeet says:

    found this at Mr. P’s I promise it’s worth a click

  271. serr8d says:

    For some lols, watch all of this ’74 cult classic movie ‘Dark Star‘ online, in 19 easily digestible videos. John Carpenter’s first movie; a comedy. Where else could you find a country music melded to science fiction theme song?

  272. Ernst Schreiber says:

    From the Classical Values post newrouter linked earlier:

    The Mate voted for Obama but has thoroughly learned her lesson by now.

    There are those who would vote for a syphilitic camel in the next election rather than see Obama win.

    I think there’s at least as many who would rather stay home than have to choose between the two.

    Somebody should tell our friend Karol over in the other thread that it’s okay to support a conservative over a conserve-the-status-quo-tive. That is, if we really want to win instead of just beating Barak Obama.

  273. bh says:

    BaconNinja doesn’t comment here so much anymore but I’m here to report that he’s still funny on Twitter.

    Totally on topic. Totally.

  274. motionview says:

    I never liked this guy.

  275. Jeff G. says:

    I just told Mr Phillips to fuck right off. Not in those words, though.

  276. bh says:

    I don’t trust Tea Party “leaders”. Any of them, really.

  277. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I thought the Tea Party didn’t have leaders and that that was part of it’s problem. I’m glad to see their getting organized. By this time next cycle, they might even be relevant.

  278. cranky-d says:

    Tea Party Nation is an organization set up to make money. They can go eff themselves.

  279. Bacon Ninja says:

    Thanks, bh. Only reason I don’t comment more here is I keep forgetting my password and I keep forgetting to tell my browser to remember it.

    I’m an idiot. But just because I’m not talking doesn’t mean I’m not reading. Most times you guys say what I want to say only better anyway.

  280. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Can’t be. Everyone knows that everything’s better with Bacon.

  281. bh says:

    That’s all fine and good, BN, but it doesn’t excuse you from kicking in your required funny each month.

    A comment a week. It’s like tithing but without helping orphans or pleasing God.

  282. Pellegri says:

    oh man you guys occupy Berkeley

    this stuff is hilarious

  283. alppuccino says:

    I’m looking for a the candidate who, in a one-on-one debate with Obama, will say, “I created more jobs today than you have in your whole miserable term. Maybe less golf and campaigning would help.” Or, “I’ve been black all my life, and I pulled myself up, while you’ve been black for like 6 years and you’re a bigger victim than me. How does that work?”

    Either one, and no badmouthing of either. This little blunder by Perry will underline the two candidates who the MSM fear the absolute most. They’ve done the research for you. They’re telling you who the winners are by calling them losers.

    McCain was such a war hero. Such an aisle-crosser. Thanks MSM.

  284. Carin says:

    I brain freeze — pause, generally — and I live in fear of doing it on, say, radio. It’s usually when I’m searching for a word and it just won’t come.

    Gosh, this is happening more and more often to me. I figure it’s cause I’m getting old.

  285. Crawford says:

    Remember, we don’t elect based on who we think would be the best chief executive, but rather who we think would perform best at improv or in dinner theater.

  286. Carin says:

    Online, I can just replace it with an f-bomb. IRL that doesn’t work out so well.

  287. McGehee says:

    Remember, we don’t elect based on who we think would be the best chief executive, but rather who we think would perform best at improv or in dinner theater.

    RON WHITE FOR PRESIDENT!

  288. Pablo says:

    IRL that doesn’t work out so well.

    Huh?

  289. Joe says:

    http://minx.cc/?post=323550 Ace apologizes for not being more skeptical.

  290. Carin says:

    RL that doesn’t work out so well.

    Huh?

    I can’t just be dropping the f-bomb everywhere.

    I’d sound like I had Tourette’s.

  291. Crawford says:

    Ace apologizes for not being more skeptical.

    Now that the damage is done, what’s the point? Skepticism after you’ve declared the UTTER UNDENIABLE TRUTH of the accusations is meaningless.

    I guess acting contrite is easier than integrity, though.

  292. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ace winds up doing that alot. Or so it seems to me.

  293. Joe says:

    Ace hardly caused the damage. He just piled on. But you have to start somewhere.

  294. Stephanie says:

    Ace was gleeful as shit wishcasting (to use that bs he likes) that Cain was going to implode over this since he is an ‘unqualified candidate’ and Caniacs are too stupid to see that (gee, does he sound like Duke & Duke or what?) and Perry is all that and a bag of chips. Accusing defenders of Cain of wishcasting that the women were not credible regardless of how many bimbo eruptions there were.

    The funniest was Ace proclaiming he was tired of people attributing this to a conspiracy because “Axelrod couldn’t have gone back in time to plant these women and their claims in the 90s.” As if dirt diggers don’t dig for dirt and frame a narrative around coincidence and happenstance based on things that can be spun. The stoopit on display burns.

    Although, I would give Cain big bucks if, next time someone asks about the conspiracy, he proclaimed it a ‘Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.’ Ever heard of journolist? Not the dirt diggers but the manure spreaders. Lots of them and isn’t there a list? And wasn’t Ace incensed that the journolist existed? Stoopit. Yea, I want to take my cues from him.

  295. Crawford says:

    And wasn’t Ace incensed that the journolist existed?

    Nah. Just that he wasn’t invited.

  296. Pablo says:

    The funniest was Ace proclaiming he was tired of people attributing this to a conspiracy because “Axelrod couldn’t have gone back in time to plant these women and their claims in the 90s.” As if dirt diggers don’t dig for dirt and frame a narrative around coincidence and happenstance based on things that can be spun.

    He couldn’t possibly have a source in the Chicago/DC-based NRA go digging for something on Cain that he could frame a narrative around, could he? Nah, that could never happen! Besides, they WANT to run against Cain! They totally don’t care if the race card get ripped out of their grubby little hands. Nope, “Bring on the Hermanator!”, says Baracky.

    Apology time: This woman is not credible at all, plainly wants to be paid to not work, and yes, I should have been more skeptical of her.

    Is it just me or is that not an apology?

  297. geoffb says:

    @#308

    What you are talking about is the 332 page memo by Clinton staffer Chris LeHane titled “Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce.” in which they propounded a means of leveraging badly sourced stories from minor media into being covered by major media. It was alleged as being done by the “Right” in the 90s but seems to actually be the Journalist operating manual.

  298. geoffb says:

    This was retweeted by Protein Wisdom and I’m not sure if anyone has linked it in a post so I’m going to do so here. This is a writeup of the sleazy tricks that were pulled by Herman Cain’s opponents in his 2004 bid for a Senate seat.

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