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It’s time we had a discussion about the 800 pound gorilla in the room: do we racialist crackers like us some Tim Tebow because he’s so very very white?

Idea: Let’s put together an expert panel. Bring in a professor of African American Studies to provide the historical backdrop for our discussion. And then we’ll talk honestly and earnestly about race, religion, and running QBs who won Heismans and national titles being given the kinds of (racist?) chances those QBs with similar skillsets but who weren’t Heisman or national title winners drafted in the first round and signed at first round money, never got.

— Just so long as we keep that bigoted darkie hater Rush Limbaugh out of the mix. I mean, having an honest, earnest discussion — led by an African American Studies professor — on Whitey’s deeply-set, veiled, and perhaps even unconscious racism, is one thing; but allowing a would-be chattelgatherer like Limbaugh to speak his hateful piece and perhaps deflect and rationalize his bigotry? That we can’t cotton to.

Racists.

(h/t TerryH)

189 Replies to “It’s time we had a discussion about the 800 pound gorilla in the room: do we racialist crackers like us some Tim Tebow because he’s so very very white?”

  1. SGT Ted says:

    Professor of African American Studies? You mean a Professional Racist.

  2. Quig says:

    We like Tim Tebow because he IS Tim Tebow.

  3. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Limbaugh was right.

  4. B. Moe says:

    I think the real racial question is why is Tebow’s expressions of faith on the field the object of such ridicule when the same types of mannerisms from black players are completely ignored?

    Are blacks supposed to be more spiritual? Is that what makes them better dancers?

  5. Jeff G. says:

    I think the real racial question is why is Tebow’s expressions of faith on the field the object of such ridicule when the same types of mannerisms from black players are completely ignored?

    Are blacks supposed to be more spiritual? Is that what makes them better dancers?

    My wife and I often laugh about this very thing. I mean, Tebow is on a team with Brian Dawkins, who is every bit as open about his faith — and has been for over a dozen seasons. Dawkins is a likely Hall of Famer. So why no rountable discussions on his open faith?

    If anything, the fact that Tebow is white is what allows for these faux-earnest “discussions” in the first place. There’s the racism. And it’s of the “liberal” variety — as is so often the case these days.

  6. JD says:

    Why did the esteemed Professor ignore Vince Young, Jason Campbell, Randall Cunningham, Tavarus Jackson, Cam Newton, Josh Freeman, Doug Williams, etal?

  7. JD says:

    His throw away line about Charlie Ward was cute. He floundered I the nBA because he could not bear the burden of not having NFL skills or size.

  8. B. Moe says:

    I liked his inference that Michael Vick was capable of reading defenses. Vick can barely read his own name.

  9. Jeff G. says:

    thor would appreciate the love the professor gives Vick in the article. And agree that we’re all racists.

    So prof’s got that going for him.

  10. geoffb says:

    Tebow is hated because the fact that he was born goes against one of the main principles of left-wing “thought”. Religion is simply the fig leaf that covers this.

  11. geoffb says:

    And now race adds its fig leaf too.

  12. sdferr says:

    I watched Vick’s college play closely, on account of family ties to VPI, and then on account of my eyes popping out at his speed and thrilling play. He wasn’t the passer the good professor characterizes though. Vick was a slightly better passer to my mind than Tim was in college, but not by much: I watched Mike miss many an open receiver for no apparent cause.

  13. EBL says:

    Not exactly on point, but still good. John Wayne on human nature…

    The Duke was a classical liberal!

  14. Slartibartfast says:

    I had thought Tebow’s incompletion rate was due more to the fact that he’s being careful to avoid picks than to any awkward throwing motion.

  15. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ah yes, Ethan Edwards. Wayne’s greatest role.

    There’s a reason he’s unable to walk through that door

    ..but this is the wrong thread, isn’t it?

  16. badanov says:

    In the discussions comparing Tim Tebow and Michael Vick, it is crucial to note that Vick has been from the very start at best a mediocre quarterback from a mediocre program.

    And the jury is still out on Tebow. What has been established is that Tebow ran a football offense from one of the top ten college football programs on the planet in the toughest conference, and still managed to win back to back national championships.

    Plenty of examples exist of the obverse. I give you Matt Leinart, successful USC quarterback. A top draft pick for Arizona, he was cut last year. His main problem was he expected to be successful rather than work as hard as many, many other much hungrier athletes were willing to work.

    Many, many examples exist of men, black and white, who weren’t drafted at all, who went to backwater colleges playing NAIA or Div. III football, who made pro football teams based on their abilities and sheer will, and who found some success playing football. All because they walked onto a football practice field and they believed in themselves.

    Entitlement monger Vick doesn’t fit in the latter category, but in the former.

    And it ain’t about race. It is about hard work and competition.

  17. alppuccino says:

    Maybe with Dr. Ross’s blessing we can finally have an “All Black vs. All White NFL All Stat Game”. Who would win? If the white team wins, it’s racist. If the Black team wins, it’s validation.

    Let’s do it!!

    Again, Vijay Singh was winning major PGA tournaments before Tiger, yet Tiger was the first black golfer to win a major. And Vijay is almost purple, he’s so black. What gives there Dr. Ross? Is this a skin color thing or is it a Negro thing?

    The farce is that this is how the esteemed Doctor of Non-colorblindness makes his living.

  18. Abe Froman says:

    You can’t count me among those who love Tebow precisely because we hate the people who get so negatively worked up about him.

  19. alppuccino says:

    Can’t or can Abe?

  20. EBL says:

    Medved on Tebow hate…

    This Tebow debate says more about people discussing Tebow than Tebow. Before we talk miracles, let’s see how Denver does against NE.

    And you all need to accept that God loves the Packers.

  21. BT says:

    Tim Tebow is a big crybaby and so is Dr. Ross.

    But it least Tebow makes games exciting. Dr.Ross not so much.

  22. Abe Froman says:

    Oops, “can.” Thanks, alp.

  23. JD says:

    Crybaby?! Example, please.

  24. Republican on Acid says:

    Hey guys – don’t you know that white people are too smart for any mythological fairy tales? We sent scientist to the MOON. We created vaccines! We build stealth bombers to kill sandniggers! WE ARE SCIENCE! And after all it’s not so secretly ok for black people to believe in Santa Claus and Jesus because it’s cute and that’s the way we likes our blacks; cute and superstitious! I helps us feel like we can still lord it over on them. Keep them serfs FOREVER. I mean sure, lets let a few here and there into our uber human science club just so they don’t catch on (wink wink) – I mean I suppose we can take a few of them with us when we migrate to the stars….Just the good looking whiter kinds though – you know, like Barack Obama…

    To summarize, what image do you like better? Black guy in a lab coat/space suit or black guy dancing around like crazy in a church aisle?

    Well go on you racists, answer the question.

  25. SGT Ted says:

    Many, many examples exist of men, black and white, who weren’t drafted at all, who went to backwater colleges playing NAIA or Div. III football, who made pro football teams based on their abilities and sheer will, and who found some success playing football. All because they walked onto a football practice field and they believed in themselves.

    Kurt Warner of Rams/ Cardinals fame comes to mind. He was also another Godbotherer who was initially critisized over his open Christianity, along with his wife. He shut them up with his arm, a couple of SB rings and his big heart.

  26. Abe Froman says:

    I always thought of a crybaby as someone who whines or complains a lot. That’s what it means in sports anyway.

  27. Roddy Boyd says:

    I posted a reply on WSJ.

    While we’re at it, we need to unpack another uncomfortable thing in the interests of dialogue: Jeff is a Jew but a Denver fan. Tebow thus poses a dilemma to him. Root for the man whose savior his ancestors strung up or, pull for New England, whose QB is banging a world class supermodel whom he got with after he knocked up Bridget Moynihan, both of which are fair reasons for hating him.

    Spare a part for Jeff is all I’m saying.

  28. EBL says:

    Ernst Schreiber, the Duke was not talking of Tebow, but he did mention how he listened to all people and then came up with his own thoughts and always considered himself a liberal…until he was informed he was a right wing conservative.

    And there is a degree of that sort of thing going on with reactions to Santorum and Tebow. Because as soon as anyone acknowledges God they have to be a right wing reactionary. Unless of course they are black…because you can’t make fun of them unless they are also conservative. Then they are fair game for the critics.

    Or at least that how it seems to be.

  29. Republican on Acid says:

    Man I miss seeing Kurt Warner when he was “in his prime” that first year. That year may have been the best year to watch football in the history of football. Then again, I am from Saint Louis so…..

  30. Darleen says:

    Tim Tebow is a big crybaby

    Um…where?

    I admit I don’t follow a lot of NFL, but when I hear the rabid hate against TT I’m reminded of people who say they hate Palin because of her “I can see Russia from my house” line…

    You know, the line that FEY said, not Palin.

  31. TaiChiWawa says:

    I’m not a hard-core football junky, but I think it’s funny when I hear people say “Tebow isn’t really that good a quarterback.” Have they not been paying attention?

  32. sdferr says:

    JD, I think it’s a reference to Tebow’s reaction to losing at home to Ole Miss 31-30, his junior year. Tim took all the blame for the loss, and showed it.

  33. BuddyPC says:

    I can’t find any commentary from Dr. Rossfellow in his article about either the less than egalitarian nature of the NBA or the public-record superficial (lack of big-time) recruiting of Jimmer Fredette.

  34. EBL says:

    Is using the phrase 800 lbs gorilla in the room racist?

  35. Republican on Acid says:

    “Is using the phrase 800 lbs gorilla in the room racist?”

    Everything is racist.

  36. sdferr says:

    I stand corrected BT. I do wonder though, why do you care about that?

  37. Darleen says:

    BT

    Ok, I watched it … I see someone a little verklempt … which is a far cry from the understood definition of crybaby.

  38. TmjUtah says:

    I have one word for the distinguished professor of African Studies:

    Winning.

    The word may not, at first glance, embody the same preponderance of semantic majesty – nay, grandeur as do the words “completion percentage” and “race” that the distinguished professor of African Studies appears to have based his studious and elite analysis upon…

    Tim Tebow would be celebrated as merely a competent quarterback with above average leadership skills in the clutch if only Leftists couldn’t resist chasing parked cars.

  39. BT says:

    I don’t. If anything it’s my residual reaction from his days in the SEC.

    I hope Tebow AND the Broncos do well against New England.

    I don’t care if he gets down on his knees and thanks the Lord after a game anymore than I care when baseball players make the sign of the cross before they step into the batters box.

  40. B. Moe says:

    The Tebow crybaby meme was started mostly as a kind of Schadenfruede from SEC foes who were tired of him kicking their asses.

    Seeing the mighty warrior in tears finally helped salve a few of the cleat marks he had left on them the past four years.

  41. JD says:

    That is so far from being a crybaby in the sense of how that word has always been used so as to make the original term meaningless. Michael Jordan is a crybaby. Kobe is a crybaby. Josh Hamilton, crybaby. Garnett, crybaby.

  42. B. Moe says:

    SEC fans are a tough lot, JD.

  43. Abe Froman says:

    SEC fans are thick as a brick.

  44. BT says:

    My use of the word would apply to Tebow just as it did when the kid on the opposing team in my little league game cried when he struck out.

    Perhaps there is a better word to taunt an opponent. Don’t think verklempt, is it but as always i am open to suggestion.

  45. dicentra says:

    OK, the other thread is too active for me to hijack to continue talk about my stupid trees.

    So here are the promised photos, with a better idea of the branches in relation to the power lines.

    In this photo, it looks like they didn’t clear out the branches that overhang the lines to the 10-foot mark. And I’m fairly sure they’re distribution lines back there. I found the larger power lines on the other side of my neighbor’s house.

    Wider view of same.

    Taller view of same.

    Google Maps view.

    Both trees.

    Last night, we were trying to figure out what is a reasonable course of action to remove the elm given the power lines.

    Thanks for your help! I’m not sure who else to go to for advice about these things.

  46. JD says:

    Gasp. The guy that won the US Marathon Olympic Trial today did the Sign of the Cross right before crossing the finish line. Cue the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth.

  47. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Exchange I had at work yesterday with one of the more vocal secular-progressive co-workers:

    SecProg: “I wonder, if Tebow were instead a devout Muslim, bowed toward Mecca after every TD and praised Allah repeatedly in his TV interviews, how many “Christians” (he actually made air-quotes!)that say that they admire Tebow would instead despise and ridicule him?”

    Me: “I wonder how many of you secular-progressives who find Tebow’s action and speech so offensive would be far more sympathetic to him if he were in fact proselytizing Islam as opposed to fundamental Christianity?”

  48. Cowboy says:

    I really love sports. My first love was baseball, but when Macgwire and Sosa exposed the rampant cheating going on, I lost respect for my heroes and following (even the Reds!) became somehow less enjoyable.

    Tebow’s Christianity does draw me to him because he seems to value something higher than bling. Also, his devotion, to me, makes it less likely that he’s cheating to achieve his goals.

  49. dicentra says:

    if Tebow were instead a devout Muslim,

    Well, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Muhammed Ali were all savaged and stuff.

    So, you know. Precedent.

  50. JD says:

    Cowboy – his workout program is monster/beast.

    Great play by Wittner. He will be writing a chck to the league, knocked that guy out cold on the hit, but saved points from going on the board.

  51. Abe Froman says:

    SecProg: “I wonder, if Tebow were instead a devout Muslim, bowed toward Mecca after every TD and praised Allah repeatedly in his TV interviews, how many “Christians” (he actually made air-quotes!)that say that they admire Tebow would instead despise and ridicule him?”

    I’ve heard this too. Rather than taking the question seriously, my reaction is that there probably isn’t a single secular leftist in the entire NFL, so why the fuck should they be entitled to any opinion at all? They’re just tourists in a world without participation trophies.

  52. SteveG says:

    That tree needs a very skilled, very careful climber and a lot of rope work.
    Can you get a bucket truck back in there?
    With a bucket they can tie off a limb that is near a line and back it out of there… which can be time consuming, but nothing like the time a climber needs in order to stay safe.
    Out here for a cost, it’d be around $1600 plus $400 to grind the stump.
    For that you should get a 4 man crew, chipper, stumpgrinder and it should be done in a day.
    Make sure they give you valid certificates of insurance… workers comp and liability that names you as the additional insured. On the liability, ask if they have $1,000,000 coverage and see which bidders hem and haw ($500,000 is probably OK but remember if some clown tosses a rope over the transmission line or knocks it down onto a chainlink fence, someone could die)

  53. Pablo says:

    I think I know what Ross’ problem is. He’s a Buckeye.

  54. SteveG says:

    I apologize for the racism inherent in ignoring a thread about black people in order to talk about dicentra’s tree. That sort of conscious segregation of thought(s) clearly implies that I’d not let Cornel West use my pool; if I had one.

  55. McGehee says:

    I really don’t have anything to say on this topic. Unlike Vick I don’t have a dog in this fight.

  56. dicentra says:

    That tree needs a very skilled, very careful climber and a lot of rope work.

    That’s what I figured.

    Can you get a bucket truck back in there?

    Only with the neighbor’s permission. Hopefully, with the ground being mostly frozen and all, it wouldn’t cause too much damage. But the guys what did the bids said they’d use ropes for both sides of the lines, and they’d just drop the branches over the other side.

  57. dicentra says:

    Unlike Vick I don’t have a dog in this fight.

    McGehee wins the thread.

  58. dicentra says:

    I’d not let Cornel West use my pool, if I had one.

    I wouldn’t let him use mine either, but not because he’s black. I’d invite Herman Cain and Mia Love and Bill Cosby over and then send him photos of the party.

  59. dicentra says:

    Also, one of the guys proposed shutting off the power to that line for a few hours, to avoid electrocution and also blowing the nearby transformer.

    He’s got $2 mil in liability insurance, and bid $1500 for the two trees (with grinding) plus another stump in the front yard.

  60. B. Moe says:

    I don’t know what your neighborhood is like, but around here if you painted it copper it would be gone by the next morning.

  61. Pablo says:

    Yeah, that looks like oldschool 3 phase primary up there, di. There’s going to need to be a lot of piecemeal cutting and while it could be done without cutting the power, I’d feel a heck of a lot better with it off. You’re also going to need cooperative neighbors. The bright side is that it’s really just that one trunk that looks to be a bitch. Most of it can be dropped quite nicely in your yard.

    I’d like to know how high estimate guy plans to pull this off without access to the neighbor’s yard.

  62. Pablo says:

    Di, how did the power company get back there?

  63. JD says:

    Brees threw a perfect ball for that 2nd TD. Fun game, so far.

  64. geoffb says:

    Yeah, that looks like oldschool 3 phase primary up there, di.

    I second that.

  65. SteveG says:

    Sounds like a good bid. I’m conditioned to the high prices out here so $1500 with that kind of insurance (that shows professionalism) strikes me as a bargain.
    No one who does tree work here speaks english anymore and I only bring that up because Romney did; not because I hate me some brown people

  66. geoffb says:

    In the wide view in original size in the lower right you can just make out a transformer atop a pole seen through the tree trunks.

  67. geoffb says:

    I may take that back from looking closer at the larger ones. Those three lines seem to go to a shorter pole next to the taller one that has the transformer.

    I agree that $1500 is fair for that job.

  68. SteveG says:

    McNabb/Limbaugh 2012

    Tebow is taking a job from a black man, which is about what I’d expect from a missionary. Missionaries are crusaders who took away the culture of the African and reduced it to some Jesus bullshit and next thing you know there are old ladies wearing funny hats on Sunday.

    Merry Kwanzaa

  69. Pablo says:

    We don’t do that backyard distribution much out here. It’s a right pain in the ass.

  70. Pablo says:

    Yeah, with stump grinding that’s not unreasonable.

  71. dicentra says:

    Di, how did the power company get back there?

    Access through my yard. I wasn’t there to see it, though. I talked to them when they traipsed in to take a look prior.

    High-estimate guy put it at $2500 but without shutting off the power. He hoped for cooperation with the neighbors.

    My house was built in 1959. I don’t have outlets in my bathroom. I have an external phone line. So it’s no wonder the power lines are antiquated, too.

    I think the neighbors in the split-level phase of the neighborhood have everything underground.

    I took these photos of the power lines to make it clearer.

    This is the main power line, plus the transformer, shot from in front of my neighbor’s house.

    This is the transformer pole plus the lower one. Hard to see the wires for the branches.

  72. geoffb says:

    Yeah those three wires are fed from the transformer so they are not primary lines. I click on the photo and then right click to select original size to get the largest view.

  73. Pablo says:

    OK, so that’s oldschool secondary, and there is no primary on the pole, I think. See the wires above the transformer on the crossbar? From what I’m gathering, those do not go into your tree. The wires that go through your tree go to the smaller pole. Is that right?

  74. Pablo says:

    A lightning strike might be in everyone’s best interest. :)

  75. geoffb says:

    With the largest size you can see the lines at the small pole and follow the ones going to the right to the large pole below the transformer and then see the three lines from that going up to the transformer. Main power photo.

  76. dicentra says:

    Yes, the three uninsulated wires go to the smaller pole. I can’t see how the taller and shorter poles connect.

  77. geoffb says:

    Sorry other photo.

  78. dicentra says:

    The two taller lines are perpendicular to the three shorter ones. If you look at this photo, upper-left corner, you can see the two faint wires running top to bottom.

  79. geoffb says:

    I can see them. They come down from the left of the transformer and then make a hockey stick turn to go to the three insulators on the tall pole under the transformer. the middle one coming down goes to the top insulator. from those three insulators three lines go to the small poles insulators as curving loose lines. then the ones going off the small pole to the left are tight.

  80. geoffb says:

    The two tall lines are the primary.

  81. newrouter says:

    drew be the man

  82. Pablo says:

    No primary significantly reduces the chances of getting lethally electrocuted, so I wouldn’t be terribly worried about shutting the power off. But if your tree were to just sorta kinda fall over and take all that ancient crap down with it, that would be most excellent.

  83. Pablo says:

    Wow. This is a hell of a game.

  84. newrouter says:

    niner’s return the favor

  85. dicentra says:

    C’mon, you guys. Pull up a pew and pray to for Tebow.

  86. Pablo says:

    Can’t. It’s against my religion. It was fine last week, but not this week.

  87. cranky-d says:

    This week is the best time to pull up a pew for Tebow. I don’t think it will help, though.

    Once the Patriots go through the cleansing fire of failure that, say, Miami did, I might be willing to not hate them. Maybe.

  88. Pablo says:

    OK, I think I can pray for Tebow now. We’ll see you next year, buddy!

  89. cranky-d says:

    What an ass-kicking.

  90. newrouter says:

    in the 2nd half g-d will smite brady. So Let It Be Written

  91. cranky-d says:

    At least the Cowgirls aren’t in the playoffs. That’s a comfort.

  92. bh says:

    Well, the first game was fun anyways.

    I have a feeling I’m going to start having Brady nightmares again.

  93. bh says:

    Already has six touchdowns and there’s almost half a game left. Yikes.

  94. cranky-d says:

    Yeah, the first game was fun, even though I wanted New Orleans to win. Both teams had the chance to win, and the 49ers did better.

    This second game bites. I wish I hadn’t invested any time in it at all.

  95. bh says:

    If they keep Brady in then I have to watch. Tempt the football gods this much and we might actually see the ground open up and pull the entire stadium into the earth.*

    *Or someone destroys his knee again. But I can’t root for that.

  96. JD says:

    Amazing ending to first game. Wow. Brady, even more wow.

  97. Pablo says:

    Despite this ass whooping, Tebow has had a far better year than anyone could have imagined 6 months ago.

  98. cranky-d says:

    Tebow has proven himself to be a viable NFL quarterback, and not just an oddity. Now his mission will be to prove he can get a team through the playoffs. That’s really quite difficult, and most quarterbacks never make it that far.

    I would not be surprised if he does it some day. I think I would be more surprised if he doesn’t.

  99. motionview says:

    geoffb @10 – I’ve wondered if Obama has this compulsive pro-abortion-at-any-time attitude due to some deep self-loathing (covered by a veneer of massive arrogance). It’s not that great a leap to think that maybe, if abortion was “safe, legal, and rare” as the party line goes, back in 1961 there would be no BHO.
    Is Tebow from a similiar situation? And if so isn’t being pro-life a little less psychotic of a response?

  100. bh says:

    Someone is supposed to knock the Patriots out of the playoffs early in some weird upset. As a league, as fans, we had all agreed to this.

    The Broncos have failed this important task so I shall resume hating them for beating the Packers in an earlier Super Bowl.

  101. Stephanie says:

    Tebow was the result of one of those pregs that the doctor recommends abortion, mv. His mom didn’t and much like Palin that is but reason number 1 of 463 in the reasons progs hate both families…

  102. cranky-d says:

    The Patriots must have renewed their deal with Satan. We’ll see how far that takes them.

  103. bh says:

    They. Still. Have. Brady. In.

  104. RI Red says:

    Looks like no divine intervention. I think it’s called free will.

  105. bh says:

    Hmmm… having Brady punt late in a blow-out.

    Belichick is crazy. And something of a genius. We should all be glad he didn’t go into biochem or physics instead of football.

  106. Seth says:

    It was a nice punt, too.

  107. cranky-d says:

    We’ll see how that crap works against Green Bay.

  108. cranky-d says:

    My mood right now is living up to my chosen handle.

  109. JD says:

    That was a thorough assbanging. John Holmes in a GAYPRONCOCKOFLIES style.

  110. newrouter says:

    what arrogant scrunts pats are. oh my don’t let timmy score. ne will get theirs.

  111. Seth says:

    I’ll never understand those who argue “you shouldn’t beat them so bad”.

    Go team! Beat em, but not so bad! Yay mediocrity!

  112. newrouter says:

    “Hmmm… having Brady punt late in a blow-out.”

    18Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

    19Better it is to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

    link

  113. newrouter says:

    “I’ll never understand those who argue “you shouldn’t beat them so bad”.”

    wouldn’t want to hurt brady? i’d take the penalty and the fine.

  114. newrouter says:

    nah if tom brady be hanging in the 4th quarter humiliating me i ‘d hurt the guy. for fun

  115. Seth says:

    Everybody gets a trophy.

    link

  116. Stephanie says:

    At least they didn’t pull a Roy Williams and send the starters to the locker room before the game was over..

  117. bh says:

    You don’t get a Lombardi trophy when your fantastic quarterback gets injured by a pissed off opponent or some fluke accident. That’s why your fantastic quarterback sits during garbage time.

  118. Seth says:

    Yes, there’s probably some value in giving some snaps to your backup QB. Then again, I’ve never coached a winning football team. Or a losing one, for that matter.

  119. newrouter says:

    yea the massholes be taunting. eff them and the baracky they rode in on

  120. newrouter says:

    “there’s probably some value in giving ”

    less humiliation to your opponents. but massholes like baracky don’t understand that concept.

  121. Seth says:

    Except I’m not from Mass, and I find them insufferable generally. And I wasn’t taunting – I don’t understand the mentality that dictates “win, but don’t win big”. That’s kind of like criticising Romney for being too good a capitalist. Once you’ve bought into the notion, we’ve all lost.

  122. newrouter says:

    oh please don’t piss on taliban corpses. not nice.

  123. Seth says:

    1% of the quarterbacks have 40% of the touchdowns. #OccupyTheEndzone

    Right, newrouter?

  124. newrouter says:

    “win, but don’t win big”

    its an effin football game. give ’em a score at 3:00, when you’re winning by 30+, and let it be. g-d too much stupid in society.

  125. cranky-d says:

    I have no problem with a team continuing to kick another team’s ass, or otherwise “running up the score.”

    Playing your starters in that situation, especially your QB, is more than dumb.

  126. Seth says:

    Because nothing gives a grown-ass man pride like a pity point.

  127. newrouter says:

    “1% of the quarterbacks have 40% of the touchdowns. #OccupyTheEndzone”

    nah i think you don’t trash peeps. eff the massholes. eff the solyndras. and eff the baracky. the nfl an insider game. ax art rooney baracky ambassador?

  128. Seth says:

    Don’t worry, newrouter, I heard Belechek sprung for all the Denver players to get a little trophy with the inscription “2nd place winners!”

  129. newrouter says:

    “Because nothing gives a grown-ass man pride like a pity point.”

    nah you run down the clock idiot. you’re going to win just let it play out.

  130. newrouter says:

    “Don’t worry, newrouter, I heard Belechek sprung for all the Denver players”

    effin romney loser

  131. newrouter says:

    you go massholes

  132. Seth says:

    Every team with more than two minutes on the clock will try to score, no matter how far ahead.

    You don’t run down the clock when the other team has the ball last.

  133. newrouter says:

    don’t do the “buckley telephone book” thing the citizens are as stupid as the harvard peeps.

  134. Seth says:

    Plus, easing off at the end when you think you have it in the bag is a terrible habit to cultivate in a competitive athelete.

  135. newrouter says:

    “You don’t run down the clock when the other team has the ball last.”

    go ask gm and the unions.some dumb massholes. nor luap !!2012!!

  136. newrouter says:

    “Plus, easing off at the end when you think you have it in the bag is a terrible habit to cultivate in a competitive athelete.

    yes 45-10. gotta watch THAT @ 3:10 in the 4th q. nor luap !!2010!!

  137. Seth says:

    You’re a strange man. You take this football thing too seriously. Sorry your team lost by “too much”. Maybe we can redistribute some points to them.

    And I’m not from Mass, nor a particular fan of Romney. But don’t let facts get in your way.

  138. Seth says:

    Serious question: what is an acceptable margin of victory?

  139. JD says:

    Vernon Davis is a crybaby.

  140. sdferr says:

    “Serious question: what is an acceptable margin of victory?”

    1

  141. Seth says:

    I’ll get our best people on it, sdferr.

  142. bh says:

    I have this fear that Vernon Davis will eat up the Packers (if they make it past the Giants). We can’t cover tight ends and he’s a beast.

  143. sdferr says:

    yep, I’m simply setting the only bound I know, the lowest bound. Any higher bound to victory makes no sense to me.

  144. Seth says:

    I like bh’s answer.

    Maybe a better question would have been “what is an unacceptable margin of victory?”

  145. cranky-d says:

    If the Giants beat the Packers… .

    I can’t think of anything. I will be quite disappointed, even though the Giants did me an immense favor in 2007 giving the Packers their 18-1 season.

  146. newrouter says:

    “Maybe we can redistribute some points to them.

    And I’m not from Mass, nor a particular fan of Romney. But don’t let facts get in your way.”

    so why would a coach do that? brady in the 4th q? maybe for the atheist vote? i’ll stick with the massholes getting smited at some point.

  147. Seth says:

    I think the Packers are up to it. They’re a force to be reckoned with.

  148. Seth says:

    Why would a coach do that? Because that’s what he always does. He’s uber competitive. Like I said, it probably makes sense to give your backup some touches at that point, but nobody’s beating down my door to coach a damn thing.

  149. sdferr says:

    If the Giants beat the Packers . . . then Barack Obama will show up at your doorstep the next day with an entourage of armed men in tow, demanding you have sexual intercourse with a syphilitic camel, that he may film said event, to ensure his reelection by exposing the camel’s image on YouTube.

  150. newrouter says:

    ““what is an unacceptable margin of victory?”

    it never was about victory masshole it was about honor.

    well the massholes could let 1 td go in the 4th q. the massholes will rue the play. go romney go massholes same effin difference.

  151. newrouter says:

    oh and go masshampshire. cross dressing losers from ma.

  152. JD says:

    Bh – Gore is a bigger threat to you than Davis. Frank, not Al. Everything they do is conditioned on his ability to run the ball.

  153. Seth says:

    You’re right. Shoulda let Denver score one in the 4th. Because of Tebow’s puppy dog eyes.

  154. JD says:

    I actually thought Bellicheat showed uncommon restraint. They really called off the dogs when they went up 42-7. Denver had 8 and 9 guys in the box and they were still trying to run the clock out. Seemed silly to subject your starters to unnecessary risk of injury though.

  155. bh says:

    I have to say “if” the Packers beat the Giants because it’d be my fault for jinxing them if I was too confident and then they lost. I have a good feeling about the game though.

  156. cranky-d says:

    That’s better, bh. I though I was going to have to drive over to WI and give you a “pep talk.”

  157. sdferr says:

    Obama won’t take any chances either. He sees the first augury and he’s there. Christ, he’ll use Axelrod if he has to.

  158. bh says:

    Oh, I’m plenty worried about Gore, JD, but it’s been quite awhile since that strategy has worked against the Packers.

  159. JD says:

    True, bh. It is hard to commit to the run against the Pack, as teams tend to find themselves playing from behind, and too quickly abandon the strategy. Harbaugh won’t.

  160. bh says:

    Well, I don’t like to hear that, JD. So I’m going to ignore it and instead hope that Harbaugh gives up on the run and let’s Alex Smith throw us a few picks. Fingers crossed.

  161. sdferr says:

    By golly, Kevin Swindell won his three-peat at the Chili Bowl tonight. Led wire to wire.

  162. B. Moe says:

    I have a feeling I’m going to start having Brady nightmares again.

    If you have trouble working up a healthy dislike for the dude, just remind yourself he married an underwear model who makes more money than he does.

  163. B. Moe says:

    By golly, Kevin Swindell won his three-peat at the Chili Bowl tonight. Led wire to wire.

    That race is on my bucket list. Saw Kevin race a sprint car on an asphalt bullring here when he was just getting started. My biggest bitch about the south is the lack of sprints and midget racing. Doesn’t make sense, really.

  164. […] I find the raging hostility to Tim Tebow a bit mystifying. People: he’s a football player, deserving of no judgement other than his […]

  165. motionview says:

    This Week With George Stephanopoulos (ABC) Presidential candidate Gov. Rick Perry (R-Texas) and comedian Stephen Colbert.

    The line between the People’s Ridicule Brigade and the Press is now completely erased. Maybe Colbert and Stewart and Maher and Letterman and Behar and Woopie can tag-team the rest of the debates. They’ll have the republican candidates eat chicken bones! And we’ll point and laugh and laugh and laugh.

    Should we do that Karl Rove? Gotta get them morons independents right, and them morons independents likes them some good entertainment. Owww my balls! Ha ha, gotcha cowboy.

    *Yes, I misspelled Whoopie. Fuck her.

  166. motionview says:

    FNS Chris Wallace Watch: Ms. motionview thinks the head of Newt’s SuperPAC is on the other side.
    And of course Chris Wallace only manages to turn on the attack when defending Mittens.

  167. BT says:

    @143 No those are tears of joy. Same as Jordan’s in one of the other links.

  168. donald says:

    Not only that, but she hates america and wont accept payment in dollars.

    I’m serious.

  169. JD says:

    Heckuva game so far, bh.

  170. motionview says:

    The People’s Ridicule Brigade in Bizarro World

    David Numberwoman: I saw in the news today that Romney’s son said Romney would release his tax records, AFTER Obama released his college transcripts.
    A pen of seals: Ooo ooo ooo
    David Numberwoman: Now in Ayer’s biography, excuse me, Obama’s autobiographical sketches…
    A pen of seals: Ooo ooo ooo
    David Numberwoman: Obama claimed to have spent his undergrad days getting high and studying socialism.
    A pen of seals: Ooo ooo ooo
    A particularly feisty seal: Bud Blow & Che!
    The rest of the pen of seals: Ooo ooo OOO ooo
    David Numberwoman: You have a financial crisis because of massive, overwhelming debt, and you respond with: MORE DEBT. Who could believe that but a stoned socialist.
    !rimshot!
    A pen of seals: Ooo ooo ooo

  171. JD says:

    Sorry, bh. They are on a roll.

  172. bh says:

    This was the answer to the question, “What’s the worst Packer party you ever threw?” I started drinking Scotch at a healthy pace after that Hail Mary before the half.

    Think I’m going to rock back and forth, listen to The Cure, and cut myself like a bullied high school girl for the rest of the night.

  173. JD says:

    If you start listening to Morrissey, or The Smiths, seek help immediately.

  174. newrouter says:

    its a dangerous level if billy bragg is selected

  175. bh says:

    Remembering
    You fallen into my arms
    Crying for the death of your heart
    You were stone white
    So delicate
    Lost in the cold
    You were always so lost in the dark
    Remembering
    You how you used to be
    Slow drowned
    You were angels
    So much more than everything
    Hold for the last time then slip away quietly
    Open my eyes
    But I never see anything

  176. newrouter says:

    a stiff upper lip mr. bh

  177. Pablo says:

    Look on the bright side, bh. Brady could finally get revenge on Manning.

  178. bh says:

    No, tonight we rend our garments, nr.

    “Come, let us march against the powers of heaven,
    And set black streamers in the firmament,
    To signify the slaughter of the gods.”

    Devil Town.

  179. bh says:

    Oh, I’m rooting for the Patriots now. Let there be no mistake.

    There must be a reckoning. A terrible reckoning.

  180. Jeff G. says:

    picking NY and against the Broncos turned out to be pretty prescient, I guess.

    Missed on NO. But then, Alex Smith showed up huge, and he deserves a ton of credit.

  181. Pablo says:

    That 9er’s-Saints game was a thing of beauty. 4 lead changes in the last 4 minutes? That’s thrilling football.

  182. Bob Reed says:

    No love for the Ravens up in here? Although a nail biter on Sunday, I put their chances as at least even with the Pats next week.

    I’m thinking Rice can run-run-run on the Pats “D”, and that the Raven’s “D” can at least make Brady uncomfortable…

    It’ll be a good game, that’s for sure-as will Niners-Giants.

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