This latest in response to my post detailing how the left will try to smear Santorum. From Sam Seder, who writes:
we'd like to invite you to call into the Hipster douche's show any time you'd like- we're live 11:30 AMET M-F and take calls generally after 12:10 at 646-257-3920... you can "Ask why, for instance, no one has asked Santorum to respond to this bit of truncated video. Or what the full context of his statement was, such that the video was edited the way it was."
or even... "get just as mean and nasty in response to vulgar attacks and baseless insinuations as the lefties who aim them at us."
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The Majority Report
with Sam Seder
Live M-F 11:30 ET
http://majority.fmRing of Fire Radio
With Sam Seder, Mike Papantonio and Bobby Kennedy Jr.
Weekends
http://www.ringoffireradio.com
To which I offered a counter invite:
And you have a standing invite to post a response on my site. All it takes is a valid email address, an internet connection, a keyboard, some digits, and the time it likely took you to pull on the sweater vest and the designer specs you are almost certainly sporting as you read this.
Regards,
Jeff
Here’s the thing: if I called in, what I’d ask say is something along the lines of, “Come now. Do you really believe Rick Santorum is a racist? Or that the majority of conservatives really do hate them the darkies — save the ones who are useful to us as minstrels and Uncle Toms? I mean, did you express the same OUTRAGE after liberals in the media immediately jumped to race when Newt Gingrich spoke of the food stamp President — even though Gingrich didn’t specify a particular race?
“And while we’re on the subject of identity politics gotcha games, do you equate a failure to support legislation legalizing same sex marriage with homophobia? And if so, are you willing to say so to the blacks you are so concerned to protect from Rick Santorum’s racisty racism?
“Similarly, are blacks — who voted 97% for Obama — simply smarter than whites for having done so at such a clip, or do you think there might be something else at play?”
And really, where would that get us?
Besides bored, stinking of Marc Jacobs cologne, and covered in third-rate smarm?
Sam Seder is a hate-filled mendoucheous twatwaffle what tells lying lies. Kind of like Eugene Robinson.
Your post that this little bitch was responding to is exactly right. And the fact that most Republicans are incapable of the great big FUCK YOU of rhetorically grabbing these little maggots by the throat is roughly 90% of why I can’t stand the right.
By the way, Bobby Kennedy Jr. has a radio show? His voice is like an especially dim teenage boy doing a Katherine Hepburn impression.
“Ring of Fire Radio”? Roughly equivalent to a bad case of hemorrhoids, eh?
We all need to make more noise about the fact that progressives generally hold conservatives in ugly contempt to a far greater degree than vice versa.
The Right fears the Left, but it doesn’t seem to intensly HATE the Left, and occasionally even ascribes good motives for their misguided, gov’t expanding schemes.
But the motives or point of view of the Right are twisted, misrepresented or simply lied about by the Left. Obama is a “pyromaniac in a field of strawmen” on the stump every day.
The imbalance in the emotional intensities and the assumptions that underly them are one of the key reasons that we’ve lost a rational political dialogue.
And it’s resulted in insidious events like Maher’s tweet on Jesus raping Tebow, or a TV show band playing “Lyin’ Ass Bith” when Michelle Bachmann comes on the show.
Can you imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed?
Would a Fox Network TV show still be on the air if it had played that song as Nancy Pelosi came on???
proggs are lying liars what lie
Addressing the Eugene Robinson comments (of which I was happy to have been unaware):
If you call into a radio show no one tunes into does it make a sound?
maybe beagle boy can examine her uterus
Sarah Palin to keynote CPAC
If Sammyboy doesn’t like “hipster douche”, then I’m sure he’ll be sportin’ wood over “mendoucheous twatwaffle”…
;^)
is Bobby Kennedy Jr. from the white trash Kennedy family what they made that movie about or is he a different one
there’s probably lots and lots of those ones
bobby k is the agw guy what likes some private jets like algore
It’s the tree-hugging white trash Kennedy family douche, hf.
There’s a Joesph P. Kennedy III running for office. I saw his picture on Drudge and he has flaming red hair. I don’t know which of the spawn he belongs to, though.
He’s the grandson of the assassinated Bobby Kennedy. Apparently, we cannot live properly without at least one Kennedy in office, and the family will do its best to make it happen.
Thanks. And here I thought we had been muddling along just fine since Patrick quit/got defeated. I thought it was only Manhattan that was still infested with Kennedy’s in positons of authority?
Spiny – I do what I can
I hope my answering here won’t preclude you from calling in and taking the opportunity to get “mean and nasty”, nevertheless:
I never said Santorum is racist, I really have no idea. I do believe that many republicans and conservatives resent that their taxes will go towards providing services and/or social support to black people. I’d guess, based on Santorum’s statement in this tape, that he thinks most welfare recipients are black.
No, I’m pretty sure i didn’t hear or comment at all on Gingrich’s food stamp comment.
I don’t equate failure to support legalizing same sex marriage with homophobia per se, I do unequivocally equate the equating of homosexuality with bestiality as homophobia. I’m happy to say this “to the blacks”.
Black people are the most consistent voting block for Democrats and I am not surprised that they have a high rate of support for Obama any more than I’d be surprised that Catholics are more likely to support other Catholics or Southerners more likely to support other Southerners etc.
Where would it get us if you called in? I don’t know who Marc Jacobs is and you could enlighten me. I’m also pretty sure my audience would enjoy your calling in and presenting the difference between your estimation of yourself and reality. You seem quite sure of yourself, but i get the sense you are far too busy to call into my program so I’ll understand when I fail to hear from you.
And Abe, I welcome your calls as well, you’d have the opportunity to show those Republicans just how easy it is to grab “these little maggots by the throat”, rhetorically speaking, of course.
Mendoucheous twatwaffle, is Sam Seder
“I’d guess, based on Santorum’s statement in this tape, that he thinks most welfare recipients are black.”
yea i think they are if you look at welfare and gov’t employment. you folks running the plantation should be proud.
Race baiting is all the leftists have left.
“Black people are the most consistent voting block for Democrats”
yea they vote for the slavers and complain about slavery. go figure.
Hi Sam,
Got a question for you , assuming you are a liberal.
Is it racist for White liberals/progressives to label conservative blacks as Uncle Toms?
No claiming you ever said that, just looking for your perspective.
when are democrats going to apologize for promoting slavery in this country?
Yes, Bobby III is running. Bobby Jr. is the Tourette’s having, Chavez loving dirtbag.
He’s a Joseph III, isn’t he? After the late Nazi-loving, Gloria Swanson banging dad of the whole sordid clan, no?
The statement on tape you are referring to has been incorrectly transcribed.
The fact that blacks monolithically support Democrat candidates at an incredibly high rate doesn’t surprise you (even though it should, seeing as it overwhelms your other examples of regional or cultural supper) is unusual thinking. That high of a rate of support is outside the bounds of what could be expected from sampling an average group of people. However, since Democrats are identified as the ones who have created and spread entitlement programs that result in dependency classes (though many Republicans have helped with that), which have a much higher representation among black folk than other “races,” some of the extra support isn’t surprising. In addition, Democrats have done a fine job of spreading the meme that Republicans are racists, and Republicans have been too stupid to respond properly along the lines of, “That’s a lie and you are a liar.” Bundling those two things together and you have a fine mixture of bought votes and votes stemming from fear.
Bobby II is the one with the govt subsidized heating oil program that wreaks havoc with the carbons, is he not?
Isn’t Bobby II one of the heroin addicted Kennedy’s? Brother of the late David who OD’d?
Thanks for the invite, Sam! I’m not so much interested in the fool’s errand of seeking to convert your small left wing audience or scoring rhetorical points though. It’s neutering the delusional narratives that your like manufacture for low information voters which concerns me.
Sam, don’t you think it’s about time we saw Obama’s grades and LSAT scores? Surely they are stellar.
Don’t forget that his namesake, great-grampa Joe, was a criminal. He made a lot of money running moonshine. While I really don’t have a problem with that per se, since a few of my direct and indirect ancestors made bootleg whiskey as well, it’s what happened.
Besides, my ancestors really didn’t make much money off of it, and Joe made enough to buy him some politicians.
Ah, yes. Joe III. My bad. After Senator Anvilhead kicked and his retarded spawn quit being my Congressman, I must have lost track.
My family has bootleggers in its backstory, as well. My son’s high school mascot is named for a bunch of bootleggers as they are beloved around here.
GG Joe was a Original Gangster. Peddling influence to grease the gears for Joe, Jr., tragically killed in action in WWII. So, on to Plan B with John. Those people in the Chicago graveyards voted hard on that one.
You can bet you’ll be treated like an insect under a microscope, Abe, but if you do call, let us know so we can listen to the podcast. I’m pretty sure it would be epic.
Sam – on a scale of 1 to MadCow, how large of a douchenozzle are you?
RACISTS !!!!
I thought the scale went to Olberdouche, not MadCow. Why wasn’t I informed of this change?
Someone took me off the VWRC mailing list I guess.
sam does the nba need affirmative action?
We only hate the Kennedys because they’re Catholic, dontcha know. Not because they’re corrupt, alcoholic, womanizers and dope fiends.
Sam, what is Obama’s handicap? He’s on his 100th round by now.
I don’t know if Santorum is racist. I am just asking the tough questions.
So, to recap, you don’t believe Santorum is racist — you have no idea! — but you suspect he thinks most welfare recipients are black, which is significant, and worth highlighting, and useful for your show, but not because you believe Santorum racist, having no idea and all. No, that’s not it. Rather, you felt it your duty to present the facts, with no attendant suggestiveness as to whether or not Santorum is racist — facts that, when the liberal media presumed Newt Gingrich was talking about blacks when he mentioned food stamps, you didn’t under those circumstances feel were similarly significant enough to comment on, much less highlight, though the presumption there was that these liberal media commentators think most food stamps go to blacks, a point that you felt needed illumination when it was Santorum supposedly drawing the inferences.
Now, I myself have no idea if most liberal media members are raging racists. But I do think, based on what I heard them say when they were outraged over Gingrich’s use of “food stamp presidency,” that many liberals believe that if they take money from other people by way of the government and turn into massive, unfunded liabilities — or perhaps if they cast a vote for an Historic Black President — this proves that they can’t possibly be racists, the idea being the concern they’re willing to show for the poor simple blacks who really really need them, lest the noble savages get eaten alive by a competitive capitalist system in which they can’t possibly hope to compete, is a badge of easy moral rectitude that counts for all sort of cultural points. Like keeping Heavy D or Marvin Gaye on your iPod.
Further, the equating of homosexuality to bestiality in the legal sense that by redefining the institution of marriage such that it becomes a new kind of legal relationship we risk opening the legal floodgates to any number of challenges for relationship recognition, is obviously a clumsy analogy, but that doesn’t mean Santorum is equating homosexuality with bestiality, as I’m quite certain you already know. However, any quick overview of the writings of, say, Michelangelo Signorili would alert you to the indisputable fact that, at least to some same sex marriage advocates, marriage itself is irrelevant — the real goal being to destablilize the institution and normalize new forms of social compacts. You can pretend this is some sort of esoteric secret that conservatives or classical liberals are unaware of — and then hide behind intentional misreadings of analogies you hope will cartoon the thinking of many who have concerns about same sex marriage (many of who have no such concerns over civil unions, for instance) — but that won’t win you any points around here. Polyamory, etc., — these are slippery slope arguments, sure. But they are of the kind that were likewise dismissed when the federal government went after Big Tobacco, and libertarians worried that next, they’d go after food, or lightbulbs.
Which leads to your next point: that you are “not surprised” that black people have a high rate of support among Democrats. Glossed over in that formulation is that “high rate” and “near unanimous” are not the same thing, and I suspect to most people a rate of 97% bespeaks some sort of sycophantic relationship that is worthy of a closer look. That is, after all, the kind of support Saddam Hussein got in elections. You can try to deflect the data by pointing to southerners having an affinity for southerners (which leaves out what Democrat demographers like to call the “suburban south,” their attempt to separate the good southerners who voted for Obama from the racist “deep south” hillbillies whose racism had them pulling the lever for John McCain in ’08, but so be it), or Catholics for Catholics (though according to Mark Silk and Andrew Walsh, “Since Kennedy, the Catholic vote — now about a quarter of the total — has come to reflect the nation as a whole instead of being predominantly Democratic”), but nobody really buys the correlation, including, I suspect, you.
As for my estimation of myself, well, I appreciate that you think it takes some sort of high self regard to appear sure in answering sophists, but the truth is, all it takes is a working knowledge of the Declaration and Constitution, an ability to recognize bullshit, and maybe a library card.
If I don’t call into your program, don’t take it personally. That simply means I’m one of the hundreds of millions of people who don’t know who you are, don’t listen to your show, and don’t much care what you have to say — though in my particular case, I do on occasion find it useful to grab an excerpt from someone like you to highlight the intellectual laziness and rhetorical hamfistedness of useful idiots who fancy themselves erudite “progressives” while remaining completely blind to the regressive nature of their policy prescriptions and political ideology.
But that’s only if I’m bored of Fallout 3 for Playstation.
I don’t hate the Kennedy’s.I don’t agree with some of their politics, though i did agree with JFK’s tax cuts and his goal of having a man on the moon by the end of the decade.
I bet Sam Douchenozzle Seder’s greatest hits of Republcans are racists is EPIC.
I bet he wears skinny black jeans and a cardigan over a faux vintage tshirt in an ironic way.
I wouldn’t spend much time fretting over Ricky Santos. He and Gingrich can peel some votes away from Mutt Ramses, but they won’t take the nomination from him. The only way they could beat him would be to merge into some hideous composite-man named Rewt Santingrich, and people tell me that this is scientifically unlikely.
papists for santorum!!12!!
ah yes ryanbacon for the stupid
What if Gingrich decides he has nothing better to do than take Romney down?
Truthfully, BT, I can’t tell you the last time I gave the Kennedys a thought, so “hate” is overstating it. I did read a tabloid story about Maria Shriver supposedly getting back with Ahnold the other day and she’s sort of a Kennedy.
Ah, LyanBacon is back to school us some more. Isn’t that lovely?
Heh. Not a chance, Cranky. Too many years living in Manhattan. I’m fresh out of earnestness and the will to persuade people on the left. A dirty little secret I’ve learned over the years is how incredibly easy it is to get lefties to concede point after point after point in an argument merely by denying that you have an ideology. Without the cartoon vision of the right swirling around in their heads, they’re reasonably receptive to logic. But it doesn’t last.
All I want is for the people who are actually paid to stand under the bright lights to stop enabling the left to set the terms of debate and begin turning the tables on them.
I think that is just what Newt is doing. He’s been all over the place calling Mitt a liar.
taking mittens down is an interesting intellectual endeavor.
I don’t hate the Kennedys, I just would prefer that they stay out of politics for a long while. Enough is enough.
It is unlikely that Ryan could ever be honest.
JD,
Ah, here we go again with the “everything I say must be the opposite of what I mean, or what will happen.” Ryan Bacon is Bizarro Superman! So you think that Gingrich or Santorum will take down Mitt? We should place a bet here, man.
Cranky I understand how some people think that way, but on the other hand I would have been happy to see Jeb Bush throw his hat into the ring.
You are a fucking lying Moby imbecile, “Ryan”.
Jeb has said a few things that make him sound like a statist. Do not want.
Ryan the picture will clear up after SC.
oh his grandaddy or whatever got shot to death in a hotel near here that may or may not still be there
someone wanted to tear it down and some weirdos were like no you can’t tear that down cause of that’s where that dude from that white trash family got shot to death
and people thought about that for awhile and said whatever we want to build a school
and I think that’s what they did
Oh! Yer goin’ straight to hell for that!
he said in his best impression of Robin Williams’s Jim Neighbors impression.
Jeb (or almost anyone else) would be better than Obama.
And that would help while the House and Senate are captured.
They tore it down, happy. The Find a Death guy was beside himself.
I don’t equate failure to support legalizing same sex marriage with homophobia per se
hah I do that all the time you should grow a pair and call a spade a spade cause that’s what it is see? A spadey spadey spade.
But it doesn’t mean they’re bad people.
per se.
So, no bet, JD? I understand completely.
I’m glad leigh I just found out today that our cool development project here is dead dead dead, killed by job-hating obamawhore hippie one percenters
We should be nicer to poor Sam. Some of his friends are sorta funny and that can’t be easy for him.
“Sorta funny” is code for Teh Gay, isn’t it?
Homophobe!
that’s the spirit!
Sorta funny could mean they are wannabe hipsters. You know, the ones with no style.
Ryan – if you could accurately portray my position on the election, I might consider placing a bet with you. However, you are a proven lying fucker, so there is no likelihood that you would be an honest participant in a wager. Plus, you are from Murfreesboro, and we know your track record.
gaydom hit hardest
link
Bh – I was trying to be nice.
Imagine being friends with the guy who voices Archer when your main talent is killing Air America’s ratings.
Sam might be in need of a hug and a fatherly talk about how he gave it a shot and maybe it’s time to consider accounting or ad sales.
Bh – imagine being roommates with a sewer water treatment specialist who get his jollies drawing @nime pron.
Heh. Yeah, you’re right, JD. We should also take pity on the Indeterminate Murfreesboro Object.
Pity really understates it.
I was particularly taken by the “I have no idea who this Marc Jacobs is” — because you see, Sam is so beyond labels. And evidently, not very good with Google, either.
(See what I did there?)
Heh. That was a rather obvious lie of his.
No labels, bitches
JD,
Romney for the win, then. You know I’ll be around when it happens. Also, take it easy on Murfreesboro! If our friend Serr8d were here, he’d remind you that he lives just a mile or two outside of this town. Insult the Boro and you insult him. I hope he comes back at some point, but will understand if he doesn’t.
Here’s how you kill Romney:
Fuck you for even invoking his name you vile fucker.
Hey, I googled Marc Jacobs AND Sam Seder. All in one thread. Sure, it’s not easy but I’m willing to put in the effort.
You should be ashamed of yourself, Moby.
Hiding behind Serr8d is so dispicably low as to be ban-worthy.
“. You know I’ll be around when it happens. ”
thanks for telling us you be an idiot.
That’s not why you like to play with shit. Fucker.
Ryan proved how fucking vile he is tonight.
JD,
Also, if you would like to elucidate as to why your “position” changes anything about the actual outcome of the election, I’m all ears. Write five paragraphs, I’ll read them all. If I bet you that the Titans will beat the Patriots and they end up losing, does my “position” really matter to the bookie? As for the rest of you lot — I’m trying to stay civil here, but you are some rather uncivil folk.
oh my
link
You earned it tonight vermin.
Ryan apparently has no shane. Fucking Moby poofter.
You are a proven liar.
Plus, hiding behind one of our regulars is one of the most weasely things I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen plenty of weasels around here.
Gosh, apparently living just south of Nashville is something so horrific that just pointing it out is impolite, like drawing attention to someone’s colostomy bag.
JD,
You are correct, I have no SHANE.
What will the picture look like after South Carolina? I’m still all ears, still hearing nothing but cheap insults.
Fuck you.
“but you are some rather uncivil folk.”
you sir lie for your progg heaven. eff the stupid peeps who do jim jones kool aid. an effin marxist abccbsnbcnprnyt
“, apparently living just south of Nashville ”
no you live “just south” of fucking stupidville, go suck allen colmes small penis and pray to santorum fetus.
How about you just leave, “Ryan”?
Does this creepy goofball actually think we’ve forgotten that he originally showed up here pretending to be a Republican?
“Do you ever look around and wish the level of discourse was a tad bit more intelligent?”
yo dick head how many fed “workers” shall we get rid of? you’ll be back like a bad gynecological prob.
Yes he does, Abe. He thinks we have the same memory as progressives like himself, none at all when it’s not convenient for everyone involved.
Lord deliver me from the clueless.
Leading up to SC Romney wins NH, Santorum finished second.
SC Gingrich wins, Perry does well and Santorum and Romney slug it out for third.
Florida will be interesting because Gingrich and Perry will have an influx of donations to work with.
This isn’t settled until sometime in April.
Unless Mitt wins SC.
Sorry to repeat myself. But if some campaign or 3rd party blitzes that message 24/7 between now and Florida, and Romney’s done. It’s not going to matter a damn to primary goers that he’s the best qualified to repair the economy, or that he’s the most electable, because there’s the point in electing him to repair the economy if he’s just going to implement the policies that lead to the creation of the Tea Party in the first place.
there’s no point.
Time to give it up I can’t see straight.
With Romney’s people “finding” just enough votes to push him ahead in Iowa I figured another ticket would do double duty ‘finding” the votes to win.
Obama/Romney would certainly clear the air of a lot of the obscuring smoke and break all those fun-house mirrors people look at as reality.
Maybe they didn’t find the votes after all.
Not that it matters anymore. Iowa was like 48 hours ago
—and that’s like forever man!
I do believe that many republicans and conservatives resent that their taxes will go towards providing services and/or social support to black people.
And that belief is based on what, aside from the caricatures of conservatives that you and your friends have in your heads?
In raw numbers, most of the people living below the poverty line and those taking welfare and other social services are white, something we starboard-siders all know, because them kind of figgers is easy enough for even us toothless knuckle-draggers to cipher.
On the other hand, is it possible that conservatives are actually outraged at what multi-generational welfare does to families and individuals—how they become like zoo animals, unable to fend for themselves in the wild, engaging in self-defeating behaviors as they pace back and forth in their dependency cages—all so that the Right Kinds Of White People can pat themselves on the back for their profound compassion?
Is it possible that we desperately want to help people help themselves—but we conservatives can’t enter the black communities because the port-siders have persuaded them that we’re pretty much the KKK sans hoods?
Is it possible that we are actually OK with helping the helpless AND we want to help the fit get their lives in order so that they don’t NEED public assistance?
Is it possible that we want what’s good about our lives—self-reliance, self-respect, dignity, strong families—for our fellow-citizens who don’t have it, regardless of ancestry?
Or would that be to attribute too much humanity to us, too much goodness?
Which, admittedly, is not nearly as fun and self-congratulatory as characterizing us all—sorry, not ALL, but still MANY—as narrow-minded biggits, is it?
Furthermore,
“make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money”
is not what Santorum said. The word CBS transcribed as “black” sounds not like a word but like a stumble. You can’t give him the benefit of the doubt? He’s clarified his statement, after all. You’d give a port-sider a pass in this situation, so why not Santorum?
You might want to recall that back in the day, whites treasured their notions of racial superiority because it meant that, without even lifting a finger, they were more intelligent, more virtuous, and more valuable to society than Those People. They projected all their evil inclinations and tendencies—laziness, promiscuity, stupidity, immorality, filthiness—on Those People to avoid having to acknowledge those very flaws in themselves.
We’re incredibly sick and tired of trying to engage port-siders about anything at all, because so many of you cling to your stereotypes of conservatives the same way those white folks did—because if the stereotypes aren’t true, then you have to earn your virtues instead of automatically inheriting them by accepting a trendy political identity.
I’ve had numerous lefties marvel that I’m a conservative or religious or whatever because they’ve gotten to know me and I don’t fit their filthy little notions about the groups I belong to. They say, “Wow, I can’t believe you’re X, because you’re actually intelligent/cool/OK,” and they think they’re delivering a compliment.
It’s no different from “complimenting” a black person for being articulate or clean. It’s as wearisome as it is offensive.
THAT’s why we don’t feel like playing Christians and lions for your amusement.
So go back to nurturing your baseless but comfortable stereotypes about conservative racial resentments vis-à-vis taxpayer money. You’ll feel much
more superiorbetter in the morning.Promise.
dicentra,
You have to understand that all redistributive programs are not about helping the “poor” but about providing good paying, never can be fired, jobs for all those BA, MA, PhDed “Studies” kids so that the university departments can continue to exist and provide jobs for the professors teaching them.
They are gold-plated jobs programs that also provide a built-in voter base and general slush fund. Helping the “poor” is the carny barker’s pitch for the suckers.
Now how about a wonderful trip to paradise with all those nice people from the “Studies”.
Over at Ace he mentioned a video where something similar was done to Hillary adviser Mickey Kantor. Of course it wasn’t done by a major news organization but just one guy on Youtube.
Save for Jeff and dicentra, yesterday the great Sam Sedar was met mostly with a yawn. I don’t recall even Professor Cancer or SEK being dismissed so casually.
Heh. The Ring of Fire’s Sam Sedar = not worth it.
I’ll add, Sam Sedar, that some of what you were met with — from those who generously bothered to engage you on your level — was even second order stuff, well reasoned as it was. (You should still absorb it because it does indeed deal with you on your level.)
The first order problem, however, is that except by subterfuge and lies and manipulations going on a century now, proggs simply have no constitutional or moral right to take the country down the same path that eventually killed a quarter billion souls by their own government’s hand in the last century alone. (See what I did there? You should.)
Collectivism did that. Liberty did not do that, Sam.
I’m not saying such deaths will happen here, just as they’ve yet to happen in socialized Europe — although if it leads or trails the US in that miserable tendency is debatable. But I am saying that the left are the greatest fools imaginable for actually trying to turn the greatest failure of organizational theory in history into free stuff and prosperity and social fairness. Governments break things and they break people, Sam, they do not and they cannot provide free stuff and prosperity and social fairness. In fact we’re a quarter quadrillion dollars upside down in the great US Welfare State, in debts and unfunded liabilities.
If governments could run a magical zero-state prosperity engine, they would have (right?) and your kind wouldn’t be tearing down the rules established in the late 18th Century to see to it ruin-by-government doesn’t happen here. Which it has, so thanks.
In other words, while you don’t have precedence to believe The Great Progressive Lie, mostly you don’t have the right to try it out on the rest of us, if you please. Unless if by “try” you mean steal our properties and liberties and enslave us.
Which leads me to a post script. Yes, I think what you’ve done to blacks is fucking criminal.
JHoward, what Sam Seder and the rest of the Copperhead party have done to blacks is what they’ve always done: enslaved them. They’ve been doing it since the party was founded, and replacing “plantation” with “collective” doesn’t change that fundamental fact… or make it any less a justification for homicide.
Now, they’re trying to do the same with the rest of us, and I say “Hell no!”
I do believe that many republicans and conservatives resent that their taxes will go towards providing services and/or social support to black people.
No wonder Air America folded. You got serious logic/reasoning issues. Also a fucked up belief system.
dicentra, if only it was the “portsiders”. So-called “libertarian” atheist Bill Quick has no problem equating me and the rest of the god-botherers with radical Islam. He has no problem with the government establishing a religious test for funding adoption services like Catholic Charities, by structuring the rules to force us to choose between getting the money (stolen from us, BTW) that any Left-approved organization can get in spite of their having an incredibly worse record of wasting it for no results.
Like anyone else, Mr. Quick just lurves him some statism, as long as it’s hitting the targets he wants. He won’t admit it, of course.
Jeez — a guy knocks off early for a couple of beers with the cow-orkers, and misses all the fun.
And thank you, dicentra, for writing up a response that pre-empts anything I was tempted to write. Special up-twinkles for you!
Newrouter, that’s my problem with Newt- he was tacking to the middle/left of center after the 2006 election, on the (I believed, absurd) notion that liberalism (whichever brand they were pimping in 2006) would be THE power in government for the next 30 years. He derided republicans, he played enviro games with Nancy Pelosi and he praised things like ethanol, all because, I believe, he wanted to stay “politically relevant” and able to continue to make a living in government. Gingrich feels like a whore to me – he’ll take the side of whoever is paying him and he’ll spin the position so it sounds mildly conservative, even when it isn’t. In essence, he’s a legislator, not a executive and for that reason, I think he’d make a poor President.
But I’d still vote for him over the jug eared Marxist currently occupying the People’s House.
*I do believe that many republicans and conservatives resent that their taxes will go towards providing services and/or social support to black people. *
Yes, this. I had the same argument with a guy who was calling out Santorum on that quote. I will gladly take the position that I am tired that a minority group that makes up 13% of our population constitutes 33% of our wellfare recipients. I AM tired of paying into a system that practically encourages someone who would generally earn a low wage to not work. I am tired that 33% of the persons I am paying are black. He called me racist, which I’m not. I simply see a problem that needs fixing and sorry, it involves a large percentage of the african american minority. I WANT blacks to succeed. I want them to succeed for themselves and also for the country, because this country and the African American community is weakened by unproductive citizens.
I honestly don’t understand why Republicans don’t address this issue more vocally, considering the odds of them losing any blacks votes is minimal and the persons most invested in perpetuating the wellfare cycle are also not going to vote Republican. Hell, maybe Santorum brings it up because wants to help blacks by calling attention to the problem and seeking to fix it- how is it different from anything said by Bill Cosby or Herman Cain?
The Kennedys aren’t white trash, feets. They’re up-jumped phony mountebank lace-curtain Irish.
Whom we can’t get to play with firearms or airplanes enough.
but Oldsmobiles and hootch and cheap barmaids and the podium in the Senate way too much.
Which party supports opening the border to millions of unskilled workers who will depress wages and increase demands on social services? Which party defends an education monopoly which has proven not just ineffective, but counterproductive? Which party supports programs that encourage fathers to walk away from their children, just to go have more children in another household which they’ll walk away from? Which party makes it impossible to start or expand or maintain a business in those places that most need local services and employment opportunities? Which party, as a matter of policy, is focused on punishing success and subsidizing indolence? Which party persists in driving the idea that blacks are unable to compete on a fair basis?
Now, which party holds itself up as the embodiment of enlightenment, and stereotypes its opponents as ignorant racists?
There are many Big Lies that need to be slain, but this one’s right up there at the top of the list.
I guess it’s not true that bacon makes everything better after all.
Squid, unfortunately, Team R is just about as bad as Team D on many of those questions. That’s why I don’t feel much better about Oblama losing than I do his winning reelection. I loathe Team D and Team R.
Really, what are we down to now, maybe 10% that want limited government? That value liberty over the appearance of security? That don’t feel entitled to the benefits from the sweat of another’s brow?
I recall Lincoln’s second inaugural address speaking of the Civil War: “Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.” Are we there yet? I thought the sins of the father were supposed to punished for only four generations.
Jeff, (and the rest of you who know who you are;-)
Thanks for sharing this; it feels like ckicken soup for the conservative soul!
Makes my cold, dead, military issue, pulminary device feel all warm and fuzzy; it does.
So KEEP FIRING PEOPLE!!!
I’d call in. I’d simply ask “Well, if you want to find out who’s racist, let’s talk about America’s Major cities. D.C., Detroit, Chicago, Philly, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles. And let’s see who’s been in charge for the past 30 years. And then let’s look at black poverty, crime, education, drug use, life expectancy, and then we’ll talk about which party is truly racist.”
“San Francisco”
big fag city no?
City of San Francisco.
Union Pacific trains number 101 & 102.
For those of you following along at home.