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Oh noes, someone is still butt hurt over Mitch.
I think this link will offer an online livestream when the debate begins at 8:00, though it’s silent now.
Rush was saying that Wolfie has been practicing zingers to throw at Gingrich when he goes after the moderator. I’d like for all of them to call out Wolfie. Roast beast for dinner.
levin hour 2 today has a doc talking about death panels for “units” 70 and older
SQUIRREL!
Mr. Daniels has scads more experience governing as a conservative than any of these hapless monkeys on stage by far.
Ouch! Over at Redstate.
h/t hotAir
Too bad we need a CIC, not a governor…
So, how about a No Fly Zone over Syria?
Filed under Stuff Politico Will Never Report: Cain and Women
I’d prefer a NO-Bashar-Zone in Syria, but then dreaming the real into existence was never my strong suit.
CNN, bringing expert governance and full-blown progressivism to bear on the Republican barbarian.
patriot act and drugs
CNN has their own foreign policy so best to treat them as if they are a hostile nation.
tim mcveigh yikes
oh sheesh … can Crazy Uncle Ron please step down?
Fred Kagan awaits.
Huntsman: Pakistan is a haven for bad behavior.
madrassa movement = islam movement jonny
14 minute pre-game show.
Bachmann: Pakistan does everything wrong. We value their help and we should giv’em money
ricky perry ain’t good on the shakedown game
is it me or is this a better Perry than we’ve seen before?
Bachmann, too, she knows her stuff on foreign policy.
@ 10. Yeah, what ever happened to that whole Cain sexual harrassment story? Seems like it suddenly dropped completely off the Press’ radar. I can’t imagine the Media would drop such a juicy story so quickly unless they learned something that told them they’d better back off or it would blow up in their faces.
“Bachmann, too, she knows her stuff on foreign policy.”
that happens when she sits on the house intel. commit.
rino on rino action
Talking ’bout da Blitz. Go Herman.
whoa … Huntsman throws out a Vietnam slam that infers the generals lost the war??
WE WON. Then a Dem Congress threw So. Vietnam under the Communist bus as retribution.
good shot newt
Excellent Op Ed by Governor Perry regarding Fast and Furious: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/21/eric-holder-must-go/
That was a superlative answer Sen. Santorum just made.
Is it me, or does Blitzer’s head look incredibly large compared to the rest of his body?
yea rick s agreeing with the rubepaul was fun
Perry/Santorum 2012.
CNN thing works in IE but not firefox
It’s working for me hf, using FF.
Perry had his shot he blew it Mr. Blake
much to his chagrin
and also mine.
We just need Newt and Wall Street Romney on the stage anymore they’re the only ones what still have a shred of credibility
well… not to overstate it but you know what I mean
At the very least it’s cruel cruel cruel to let the Paultards dream like this
that’s weird maybe I need to update something
“Congressman Cain”?
Sanctions? Nope. Won’t do the trick.
Perry is big on sanctionings is what I’ve learned tonight. We should probably work with the UN to make the sanctions even more sanctiony huh Mr. Rick.
bomb a couple refineries. and shut them down.
we could have a chili cook-off
Oops, country.
Did Uncle Ron smoke a bowl before we got started here?
mittens they be cutting the rate of increase
base line budgeting peeps
Here comes six-sigma
Newt says get serious sigma sigma
go newt beat them up
We have a trust deficit. No shit!
perry – scoamf
Ok, now I know what bugs me about when Huntsman starts to talk, with wide eyes and eyebrows shoot up his forehead … he looks like this guy
Perry gets tongue-tied. He fears the next big oops.
Me?
I’m a crease monkey.
Heh, we used to know it as Daughters of the American Revolution Constitution Hall when we went as schoolchildren on a yearly field trip to a symphony concert there.
Darlene, does Romney appear a bit desperate to you? Something seems a bit off with Romney.
Blake
Mitt doesn’t appear as polished or calm as he has in the last few debates. This is the 08 Mitt who is just a tad too eager and too nervous.
IMHO
C’mon Governor Rick. Keep your wits together.
give him any chance he’ll take it give him any rule he’ll break it
Romney’s gonna make his dream come true… doin’ it his way!
There’s nothing he won’t say…
Mr. Paul has some smartness in his head about the drugs
states rights like medicinal marijuana is coded racism.
Ricky has a point about manufacturing.
if you’re thinkin bout my baby it don’t matter if you’re black or white
Mitt is dodging the questi9on. The questions is what about the 11 million that are here? What.. gather them up store then on a closed military base and air drop them from where they came. Not gonna happen.
Wall Street Romney looks sickly and also like he’s had some work done
newt the straw man
Gov Perry’s talking about bad magnets. But that University tuition break thing? That’s a good magnet.
why is Mitt smirking at Governor Rick like that
Mitt answer the damn question.
the “tuition break” thing isn’t even a magnet they just pay what everyone else pays
and if filthy dirty mexicans are coming to America for to go to college we should trade them for some of our trashy shiftless losers
we can start with people who have neck tattoos
or piercings
hey look the Department of Thug Justice just mugged Merck for a cool billion
a cool billion what could have gone into antibiotic research
There are some scary bugs out there.
no fly worked for saddam yes?
it’s terrifying Mr. BT and preznit gigglefart don’t care preznit gigglefart don’t give a shit
oh sheesh time to put on your sweater Mr. Rogers buh-bye now
He’s a hater
and starring Ron Paul as… The Love Guru
OK, maybe it’s me but is Syria flying anything to begin with? What flying are we gonna stop?
go with “good will” – rubepaul
no fly = ricky perry looking tough to jentherube
oh. rheumy is the word for Romney he looks rheumy
No Drive Zone! Good show, Mitt! Now drop dead.
Syria is maybe flying one of their infernal flying machines right now as we speak
rubepaul #occupyyourcountry
I worry about that Canary Island what might tump over and create a mega-tsunami what wrecks disneyworld plus kills everybody
It’s almost as though Ron Paul thinks there is simply no such thing as a strategic overview of national security. Or at least one such consonant with the principles of liberty undergirding our politics. I think he’s wrong, but am attempting to get to his view here.
Bachmann hits a homer on Iraq. Barry has intentionally thrown success away.
everything Ron Paul needs to know about foreign policy he learned in kindygarden
Paul is leery of foreign entanglements.
OK I’m ready. What?
paul is leary
“Paul is leery of foreign entanglements.”
Sure, but does being wary mean reducing oneself to incoherence with regard to foreseeable events?
I was going to watch this debate.
But then I had a few martinis.
Which caused a carbo rush.
Umm, crackers!!!
Time passed.
Slowly.
Followed by a search through my dvd collection. And a near stumble, with my head straight like a cannonball into the tv set. Leading to…
Well, lordy miss claudy!I damns near forgots I has lots of bootlegged Van Morrison concerts on dvd.
“It ain’t why (why? why?), it just is.”
Makes sense to me.
More than these motherfuckers anyhow.
Dana Loesch is saying Newt stepped on it with immigration. What did he say?
Newt said have a heart.
here is what Newt remindered me of tonight
the michele with 1 l was good tonite. though i like them all expect rubepaul
I wish I could take every one of you home with me tonight
except for the little yippy one
I wonder what Paul’s politics would sound like coming out of someone else’s mouth.
Is it just me who hears nothing but “wha wha wha wha. Wha. Wha wha? Wha wha wha!” When Huntsman starts talking?
Happy, is that Newt as the Great Gazoo? Brilliant!
tomridge likes some huntsman. you go tom with your personal slush fund
Illegal immigration is racist in effect. It has contributed greatly to Mexico becoming the hell-hole it is, the industrious leaving the weak at the mercy of the ruthless. It depresses wages on the low end and has blocked young African-Americans from joining the construction work force, the traditional path to integration and wealth for ethnic communities in the US. Most importantly, illegal immigration creates a self-imposed serf class within our society that corrodes respect for the rule of law.
So, if you are really compassionate, you would stop illegal immigration. Ah well, back to the bunker.
re #102
like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1dkTrNH92Y
Illegal immigrants tend to show up for work regularly, work hard, don’t loaf around and half-ass their jobs, and they clean up their job sites in construction work and at restaurants. They don’t get the Friday Flu like their gringo coworkers, either.
We should send them some of the OWSers in exchange.
“Illegal immigrants tend to show up for work regularly, work hard”
proof please
Darlene, yeah, I agree.
Romney was like a used car salesman who just realized the easy sale is walking away.
Illegals hold down full time jobs with fake social security numbers while using other fake social security numbers to get welfare benefits.
A company I used to work for paid a pension to an illegal that had 5 different social security numbers.
re #107
Bullshit as to your first parenthetical statement. Mr Dryden, please call 1-800-realitycheck.com.
Yeah, it’s both. You get a guy working and he’ll go to work. But if you leave sugar laying around, and we leave a lot of sugar laying around, the ants will find it.
You guys are too easy. I knew you’d freak out.
re # 113
OMG! U R SO COOL!
I M SEW TOTALLY FREAKED!
U RULE!
Sez Paul Begala on twitter (whose hatred seems to know no bounds): “David Addington now gets a question. First Wolfowitz, now Addington. Who’s next, the Riddler? Penguin?” Whereupon he links to a twitterthinger entitled “cartoonvillians”. Failing to even discern his own absurdity? Looks like to me.
leigh, so, we’re an easy target? What does that say about the marksman? bwahahaha
It’s hard to believe that Paul Begala is from Texas.
good save Mr. steph
Just trying to lighten things up, Blake. It’s been a tense, tense week here at Outlaw U.
Quite. I’m working on a great post about how we are losing and how to turn it around. Had the first part nailed for about a month now.
I’m looking forward to it, motionview. You do good work.
The whole nation in on edge, leigh. Outlaw U has just been well ahead of the curve on the cause of the uneasiness.
Twitter may be good for something particular after all, as it has apparently absorbed that 24AheadDotCom guy, hopefully providing an outlet for the next decade or so. I wonder, did it vacuum up Bonesteel too?
“Illegal immigration is racist in effect.”
Do you think that the Mexican as he wades the Rio Grande is thinking now is my chance to keep a brother down?
OF COURSE it’s been a tense week. If the relatives aren’t coming to you in the next day or so, you’re going to them. Nobody likes that.
You know that is exactly what Chuy is thinking, BT.
Grab some chest waders as the shit gets pretty deep at #cnndebate.
Is 24AheadDotCom one of the cut’n’paste crew? Bonesteel I figured was probably in the drunk tank.
Ernst, we had the step-daughter’s family here last week. I can’t tell you how quickly one runs out of conversation with a preacher’s family. You can’t even tie one on since they won’t touch the stuff.
24AheadDotCom was the guy what kept entreating us to get a video camera and videotape… the politician people. Then we could upload the tapings to the Internet! And then we would experience Total Conservative Victory.
But nobody would do it right and he began to get impatient.
leigh, what, are you a novice when it comes to booze? Everyone knows you knock back a few before the teetotalers show up.
That is why I said in effect and not by intent. Who benefits from illegal immigration? Who is hurt?
*smacks forehead* I knew I was doing it wrong! I did show admirable restraint by not slapping the shit out of them when they put ice cream on my beautiful homemade NY cheesecake. Philistines. *pffft*
Are biscuits good? Do we have to ask?
Does Wolf Blitzer know the first fucking thing about making a decent biscuit? Hells no.
No thing human will be allowed. Don’t call the man Blitz. Don’t make the continent-country distinction error when rushing to cram a complex foreign policy answer down into a sound bite. Don’t achieve a transition from Marcos to Aqino in the Philippines or work to protect the national security interests of the United States in the face of Islamist attack. And for God’s sake, don’t criticize the messiah, Barack Obama.
Ice Cream on cheesecake? I’m surprised you didn’t grab the bottle of single malt and knock back stiff belt right in front of them after that.
mr. newt heartless with 25 year old smears
please: candied almonds
candied almonds with your orange hair candied almonds with your green eyes candied almonds in your dress of deepest purple
candied almonds, where are you tonight?
It’s tough duty, Blake. I’m buying them cheap Christmas gifts, fo sho.
Sdferr: Blitz is a really tiny little elfin kind of a pain in the ass, is he not? I had no idea he was so dwarfish. I doubt he is familiar with the expression about having kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits, either. This is the second debate we’ve seen him cede control of thus far. A moderator he ain’t.
“That is why I said in effect and not by intent. Who benefits from illegal immigration? Who is hurt?”
To the first, the illegal immigrant, to the second whomever lost out to the illegal immigrant in the competition for work. Could be anyone, from any race, creed or nation of origin.
The benefits, at least on the surface, seem to spread a bit more widely than the individual illegal don’t they? The roofing contractor gets to make lower bids, winning jobs. The homeowner accepting the bid gets a lower price on his roof. The savings therein, such as they may be, can go to be spent on other goods and services or racked up in savings and investments. These beneficent ripples run riot — beyond ken in fact — making it all the easier to ignore them.
mommy
why does everybody have a bomb?
Cause Dr. Paul decided it made no nevermind.
say it one more time
baby what you say
insane peeps leading the blind also cinnamon almonds
“The benefits, at least on the surface, seem to spread a bit more widely than the individual illegal don’t they? The roofing contractor gets to make lower bids, winning jobs.”
I’m not sure that is how the networks work. Juan works for contractor x for a year or so, has a good work history, is paid well enough to not be looking for other employment, his cousin Carlos comes to town looking for work and Juan recommends (vouches for him) to his employer.
Pretty much how it worked when we worked summer construction jobs, back in the day. Don’t see why it wouldn’t work that way now.
The people who benefit from illegal immigration are the middle and upper classes, predominantly white. Mexico has been devastated by illegal immigration; instead of developing a middle class, those with gumption got up and left and became our working poor. Displacing African Americans, who became our un-working poor. Hispanics in the US are hurt by being lumped in with illegals, and the illegals live a life in the shadows as a self-selected serf class. Whites benefit, blacks and browns lose.
What network are we aiming at though? Me, I’m looking at the simple level of the economy impacted by lower wage seeking employees, and the spread of [some of] the economic effects of those lower wages and the benefits nominally attached to them. You’re looking at a different network stretching back into the illegal’s home country, which though related, are an extension of the benefits you’d already noticed, I guess.
“Illegal immigrants tend to show up for work regularly”
Well, if you’re talking about the cheap labor pool in front of the hardware store at 6am, yeah.
Individually, not so much.
“work hard, don’t loaf around and half-ass their jobs”
Despite some peoples stereotypical views, some brown people work harder than others.
” and they clean up their job sites in construction work”
SNORT!
“and at restaurants”
Because construction work is just like restaurant work
“They don’t get the Friday Flu like their gringo coworkers, either”
Unlike mortal men.
“Ernst, we had the step-daughter’s family here last week. I can’t tell you how quickly one runs out of conversation with a preacher’s family”
Because family members of faith are irritating.
Leigh, you get on my nerves.
I wonder if a study has been conducted that shows illegals are paid less than African Americans and other minorities for the same work.
You know, my dad was a developer in the ’60s and built lots of custom homes up and down the Coast and in the Sierra Nevadas and at Lake Arrowhead. His guys who did masonary work were all Mexicans. I don’t know if they were illegal or not since I was just the boss’s kid, but they did beautiful custom stonework and took great pride in their work.
I know they had families in town and evidently were paid enough to have vacation places in Pismo. That was my experience with Mexican laborers.
si illegal migrants si po black folks voting demonrat. welcome to progg land.
“That was my experience with Mexican laborers.”
too bad oil rich mexico couldn’t hire them. viva the stupidity.
Only Mexican immigrant I ever knew who was in construction was legal. Along with his mother, sister, several brothers, wife, sister-in-law, and son.
He worked in his older brother’s company, was going to night school to improve his English. Best next-door neighbor I ever had.
And he hated the ones who sneaked in illegally, more than anybody else I ever knew.
Here’s a little one, though not for African Americans in particular.
I didn’t do a study, I just watched local labor prices eek down as the waves of illegals came ashore, and my competitors willing to take advantage of them did so, though I wasn’t focused on the marginal differences in illegal and so-called minority wages, which, “minority” wages weren’t a thing anyhow. If a black dude could layout a framing scheme, sweat pipe or hang sheetrock, he’s paid the same as the next guy, be that guy a Vietnamese, Philadelphia Pollak, Philly Italian, Philly Geezer or whathaveyou, or even some douchebag from some country called NewYork. When I bugged out, in fact, there were swarms of Irishmen coming into the area (whether legal or illegal, I know not), banding together, buying “fixers”, rehabbing them and doing quite well by themselves. They did have an advantage over the latinos though, nearly speaking English.
Better.
It’s kind of funny that the chicken houses around here are operated by Cambodian and Loatians and staffed by Central Americans, mainly from Guatamala and Honduras. There are lots of hillbilly slackers around here who wouldn’t think of working in a chicken house, but somebody has to do it.
But Newt’s standard is 25 years, right? So if you were here before the 1986 amnesty he’s willing to let you stay on?
“There are lots of hillbilly slackers around here who wouldn’t think of working in a chicken house, but somebody has to do it.”
Yeah, well, if they let 10 million illegal Asian lawyers into your state willing to work for $10 bucks an hour, not many yuppies would think of litigating, either.
Lee, I live in Lake Country. There are few yuppies here and more bootleggers than lawyers. We’re just talking about the state of our Union. I wish you would stop hating on me and remember it’s just a chat room.
What part of Fresno do you live in? I know unemplyment is very high there, but I hope you have a nice Christmas.
Thanks for the wage studies. I found the reports surprising. I have little direct knowledge of the illegal immigrant situation other than the occasional day labor a neighbor would hire to do major landscaping in his backyard. They were paid $10 an hour, fed lunch, one spoke English and busted butt.
I was more trying to imagine what America looked like through their eyes. And I was wondering if I would have the cajones to ignore national borders in search of opportunity and a better life for my family.
Motionview i don’t know if Newt drew a line in the sand at 25 years. I think he was looking more towards illegals who had been law-abiding and had developed roots and good reputation within their given community.
“he was looking more towards illegals who had been law-abiding and had developed roots and good reputation within their given community”
You mean the illegal law abiding ones with the phony documents to develop a good reputation?
America couldn’t survive without them.
I’ve never known a Photo Id to bestow upon one, good character.
Then again my experiences with that segment of society is limited.
“I’ve never known a Photo Id to bestow upon one, good character”
That’s ‘cuz you’ve never sneaked into a foreign country and tried to live without one.
“That’s ‘cuz you’ve never sneaked into a foreign country and tried to live without one.”
Actually i have entered countries without the proper permissions.
But i didn’t stay all that long.
BT, you do know other countries take that shit seriously, right?
If caught, being in Mexico illegally will get you about the same punishment there as sticking up a convenience store in the US will get you here.
Only without the cable TV and university courses of course…
It was a long time ago. Think the movie Stripes but instead of being in the Army, being with a group of drunken scandanavians.I somehow managed to be behind the Iron Curtain for about six hours and lived to not tell about it(very often).
There’s something about the way you phrase that BT that makes me think we’d probably be thanking you for those little excursions….
Really?!
How do we know your name isn’t really Ivan, and BT isn’t still in Siberia?
I was in the service at the time but i was also on leave, this was a roadtrip that got a little out of hand.
@172 because if i was Ivan i would never survive the hot humid summers in the south.