18 Replies to “Killing Gadaffi = Obama Helping the World; killing Saddam Hussein = Bush lied people died, etc”

1. Joe says:

   October 20, 2011 at 10:25 am

   I do not think people are buying it. His supporters are depressed that he is not more to their liking (isolationist pacificist) on foreign affairs. Everyone else is concerned about the economy tanking.

2. Joe says:

   October 20, 2011 at 10:26 am

   That does not mean beating Obama will be a cake walk.

3. LBascom says:

   October 20, 2011 at 10:52 am

   Gadaffi reported killed, Mariah Carey, Beyonce and Usher hardest hit.

   After the 2009 party, international media reported the lavish affair — which included a purported $1 million private performance by Mariah Carey […]

   The 2010 party featured performances by Beyonce and Usher along with other performers that were not named in the cable.

4. mojo says:

   October 20, 2011 at 12:03 pm

   Libyan Amazons, now on sale…

5. geoffb says:

   October 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm

   Nice picture at Drudge.

6. Silver Whistle says:

   October 20, 2011 at 12:38 pm

   At somber moments like this, I think Nelson Muntz speaks for us all.

7. JD says:

   October 20, 2011 at 6:39 pm

   Barcky is a brave warrior

8. Nolanimrod says:

   October 21, 2011 at 8:06 am

   Jeff, if you can refrain for a moment from crushing neutron stars in your kung fu grip you might entertain the possibility that people are just as stupid as the media think they are but also that the media are just as stupid as they think people are.

   The other day it dawned on me that the stated objective of the Greater East Asia co-Prosperity Sphere was to get the Round-Eye occupiers out of Asia so that Asians could use their greater numbers, energy, and gung-ho spirit to take over the world.

   So… mission accomplished?

9. sdferr says:

   October 21, 2011 at 8:34 am

   Your time is coming Bashar.

10. LBascom says:

    October 21, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I wouldn’t count on that sdferr. Bashar, like Ahmadinejad before him, has friends in eastern places. Syrian protesters will get about as far as the Iranian ones did.

11. sdferr says:

    October 21, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I think you wrong on that Lee. This won’t end until Al-Assad is dead. Indeed, the mullahs and their goons will go the same way.

12. LBascom says:

    October 21, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I really don’t think so. At least not until China and Russia say so.

    Like they give a rip about protesters…

13. sdferr says:

    October 21, 2011 at 10:17 am

    The reason I think it this way is this: how would you, or I, or our neighbors react, had our government shot our childern, or brother, sister, mother, father, uncle, cousin, grandfather or grandmother down in the street during a protest? And how, with what determination to dedicate our lives to ridding ourselves of such a government, if this act of extra-judicial murder had taken place many thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of times over, where every member of society is either closely related to a murder victim by blood, or closely related in friendship and society? The interlocking hatreds of such a government can’t go away until that government goes away. And the repression of such widespread passion is ultimately impossible, as we have seen over the last couple of centuries many times over. It may take years to accomplish, sure, but it won’t be given up until it is accomplished. China is a good case, really, precisely because the Chinese haven’t yet freed themselves. The Chinese tyrants know what they have to contend with and keep a positive repression in place against that day, knowing that day can come at any time. And keeping the repression in place, they simultaneously keep the passion alive.

14. LBascom says:

    October 21, 2011 at 10:29 am

    China is indeed a good example. How long ago was it Mao murdered millions? Now American college kids proudly wear his face, along with Che, on their chests.

    I don’t think Iran is next, I think Iran is a crucial player in ousting the leaders that worked with the west in this so called Arab spring.

15. sdferr says:

    October 21, 2011 at 10:45 am

    American college kids have what to do with Chinese people desiring freedom? Or what to do with the doomed Bashar Al-Assad, exactly? I’m not positing the end of tyranny as such, mind. Bashar may go, only to be replaced by another tyrant or form of tyranny, much as the path Egypt appears to be embarked on right now. Whether the Egyptians will find it within themselves to think through the meaning of tyranny as over-against freedom, and thus to discover a rational path out of their ages old habit of yoking themselves to the Pharaoh remains to be seen — and concomitantly, should the Egyptians manage the feat, lead other Arab nations as well, or be led in their turn by some other Arab nation, even Syria, possibly. The tools of democratic-republicanism though, the political-philosophical tools are loose in the world, waiting to be taken up, just as the socialist philosophical tools were taken up by tyrants like Assad or Saddam in the aftermath of WWII as they put western modeled Baathism in place. People have only to choose.

    As to Iran, were I them, I wouldn’t think myself terribly safe. Obama will soon be gone: the next American decider may not be as supine. (Ha! May not! Let me venture the guess better — will not.) They are up against it.

16. LBascom says:

    October 21, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The next American decider is going to be dealing with a nuclear Iran, along with a completely different post Arab spring middle east dynamic, where a nuclear Iran will be the biggest power in the region.

    As for what American college kids have to do with China? Just that we are closer to embracing communism than the Chinese are to overthrowing it.

17. DarthLevin says:

    October 21, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Never mind the whole thing where Saddam was captured, given a trial and then killed. Whereas (Q/K)ad(h)aff(i/y) was just shot in the street like a dog.

    To-may-to, to-mah-to, really.

18. sdferr says:

    October 21, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I don’t know what will become of the Iranian nuclear weapons program, but my inclination is to think that if Iran’s external opponents don’t bring it down, Iran’s people will stop it sooner or later themselves. The goddamn things are crazy expensive, in many senses of the term, but particularly in the money sense; Iran, on the other hand, isn’t a crazy wealthy place, and the people there are tiring of deprivation, among other ills. Further, I don’t think the US will have to move militarily, or at least in any gross sense of the meaning of militarily, to help bring down the regime. I.e., I think it will probably look more like a sped up version of the subversion of the Soviets.

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