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"Journolist 2.0: OccupyDC Emails Show MSM, Dylan Ratigan, Working With Protesters To Craft Message"

The useful idiots wandering around with their fringe-nut signs aren’t going to cut it in terms of messaging, so while they can still be used for optics, it’s the activist appendage of the progressive movement — the legacy media — that will take care of telling us what all these aimless stoned free-loading shitheads really want.

— Which, surprise, it seems what they want, judging by the official list of demands, is Obama’s platform!

Not terribly shocking, is it? I mean, you can’t expect The People to just lead themselves, can you?

117 Replies to “"Journolist 2.0: OccupyDC Emails Show MSM, Dylan Ratigan, Working With Protesters To Craft Message"”

  1. Pablo says:

    They really want to lose big next year, don’t they?

  2. B. Moe says:

    “Eliminate personhood for corporations”?

    What the fuck does that even mean?

  3. sdferr says:

    It’s a thing about persons BMoe, they can “say” things. The left is fed up with corporations having a say.

  4. Pablo says:

    BMoe, I think it has something to do with repealing Supreme Court decisions. At the same link:

    Pablo says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 16, 2011 at 9:30 PM

    “Any questions?”

    Yeah, how does that get all those student loans paid? How does this put people to work? Why isn’t removing unions from the political process on your list?

    What do you suppose the odds of that getting past the moderator are?

  5. newrouter says:

    “Eliminate personhood for corporations”?
    What the fuck does that even mean?

    the personal is political think llc

  6. Crawford says:

    All they know is who they’ve been told to hate.

  7. Seth says:

    “Eliminate personhood for corporations”?
    What the fuck does that even mean?

    Corporations are legally “people”, meaning they can sue and be sued, own property, and be taxed.

  8. McGehee says:

    They don’t want any of those yucky corporations in their Soylent Green.

  9. Seth says:

    Soylent Green is people the rich.

  10. BT says:

    Corporate money is considered speech just like any citizens monetary donation is considered speech. Surprisingly those who are calling for the elimination of personhood for corporations do not think unions should also be affected.

  11. BBHunter says:

    – Apparently the OWS “steering committee” we were told would meet and determine “the message”, met and “determined” they couldn’t find a message on a bubblegum weapper, so they did the only thing a bunch of brain dead stoners could do….They called the NYT and asked them to write a message for them in large type using short words and compact sentences, which the O’fuck team counted on.

  12. BBHunter says:

    – It’s sort of emoyable, watching the MSM struggle to shore up the OWS morons. Enjoyable in the sense that watching a trailer truck load of tomato’s spill on the freeway.

  13. happyfeet says:

    they pulled the trigger on this gay-assed phony protest thing in anticipation of Romney being the nominee

    let’s throw them a curve ball

  14. BT says:

    Obama’s timing has always been suspect.

  15. Joe says:

    happy, are you raising Cain?

  16. happyfeet says:

    Cain will be fine

    anyone we put on stage against that shriveled piece of shit cocksucker is gonna shine like a diamond

    but Romney needs to go be president of the fucking Greater Boston Kiwanis Club or something he’s fucking high if he thinks he’s any better suited to the office than Obama

    phony pieces of shit both of them

  17. BBHunter says:

    – You used an old plantation word – denounce yourself.

  18. BBHunter says:

    Drudge: “Obama likens civil rights to economy fight at memorial…”

    – Some of the brothers arem’t going to be down wid dat.

  19. serr8d says:

    These useful idiots will likely meet a bad end.

  20. geoffb says:

    I had not heard of this. Article is from last Wednesday.

    Lech Walesa, former Polish president, to visit New York in support of Occupy Wall Street

  21. Joe says:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/16/quotes-of-the-day-833/ Allah collects quotes about Cain… and that Jen Rubin, she really ? Herman.

  22. Joe says:

    There is a little strike throuh that heart. It will become apprent when you read the quotes.

  23. geoffb says:

    Joooossss control everything except the OWS, the brave little twinkles cry out.

  24. JD says:

    Has anyone in the MFM reported on this?

  25. JD says:

    I guess the unintended irony of them reaching out to a MSNBC talking head, a subsidiary of GE, while wailing about big business and corporate influence, is completely lost on them.

  26. Slartibartfast says:

    Apparently our friend KayInMaine has missed the fact that there isn’t any such thing as the Buffett Rule, and that what has actually been proposed wouldn’t make any real difference in the amount that guys like Buffett get taxed.

    This has only been covered in the MSM for the last month, so I wouldn’t expect her to be aware of it. I mean, if the NYT pointed out last month that the little flaw in Obama’s tax-the-millionaires plan is that it doesn’t touch capital gains, you’d think that absolutely everyone would recognize that to be the truth. But no, apparently.

  27. McGehee says:

    I thought the little flaw in Obama’s tax-the-millionaires plan was that the overwhelming majority of the people it would tax are not millionaires.

    But maybe that’s just me.

  28. JHoward says:

    Dylan Ratigan

    Dylan Ratigan? A shame. I won’t watch teevee and therefore hardly know Dylan Ratigan, but I thought he was firmly against prison planet’s monetary serfdom. One of the good guys.

    Kinda like Lech Walesa, who’s apparently lost his mind too.

    I take much solace in Ron Paul, as a declared Republican, not endorsing OWS, partly because surely the hard money types see the blinding difference between anarchy with a communist flavor and, you know, classical liberalism, and partly because if he did he’d be on the same side of the fence as Barry, who in a sense just triangulated one year before the elections. Which if it works, we can kiss our ass goodbye.

    Dylan Ratigan should have been wiser. Having done a single masterful takedown of the banksters, Matt Tiabbi was already a broken clock. But Walesa? How in the hell did the left convert the kernel of classical liberalism into a pro-communism movement so quickly?

    This country needs to get its shit together. Fed money is a profound existential crisis for this constitutional republic. So the sole alternative is collectivism?

  29. Joe says:

    The Kochapus is everywhere!

  30. JHoward says:

    More strange bedfellows.

  31. Slartibartfast says:

    I’m thinking KayInMaine is looking trollish. Who can have a post titled Occupy Wall Street’s Official Demands to Congress and retortin the comments:

    I see you’re one of the dumb-dumb Americans who are taking the PROPOSED Demands and making them into THE OFFICIAL Demands.

    I think we’re being trolled. Either that or Kay is…just not very smart.

  32. Carin says:

    They really want to lose big next year, don’t they?

    Please, please PLEASE do not underestimate how this is playing with those only marginally paying attention.

    It’s the Hope and Change folks – they’re being taken in .

    Yes, they are.

  33. Pablo says:

    The Hope and Change has worn off. And these pigs are making themselves out to be what they are. Things aren’t going to be as couched and coded as they were in 2008. They’re laying themselves bare.

    America is going to decide its fate next year. I think we’ll make the right choice. And then the true believers will get ugly. And then they’ll get the smackdown they’ve been looking for.

  34. Pablo says:

    Slart, here’s more Kay.

    http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/typical-wni-trolls/

    I think we can conclude that it’s the latter.

  35. JD says:

    Who is this KayinMaine person you speak of, Slarti?

  36. Slartibartfast says:

    Oh. She’s way more full of herself than she has any right to be.

  37. Carin says:

    Yes, the hope and change HAS worn off. And it’s being replaced with this “new” message, filtered through the media, about these OWS folks. It’s frightening but those same middle of the road folks who got on the Hope and CHange bandwagon (and then backed off as teh failure was obvious) are not posting those OWS tumblr pictures.

    I just don’t want anyone to underestimate the effect this shit is having on parts of the population – not the far left, but the middle. Especially those hurt by the current economy.

    One friend (of mine) was rather conservative, but now that she’s got two boys working age who cannot find jobs…all of the sudden the tax the rich message has gotten to her.

    It’s insane, but it is what it is.

  38. JHoward says:

    If they haven’t already done so, look for the communist faction of OWS to brand the TEA Party the very “capitalist” system Barry heads. Meanwhile Barry ostensibly realigns and reentrenches in only the latest in his roster of populist positions.

    I think all this has everything to do with co-opting the branding. What better way to stamp out classical liberalism than to make it, if you can believe it, big government.

  39. Carin says:

    “Eliminate personhood for corporations”?
    What the fuck does that even mean?

    I’m not exactly sure what their immediate demands are, but I’m pretty sure it leads to nationalization of corporations.

  40. Slartibartfast says:

    Click the second link in the post body, JD, but first brace yourself for teh stoopid.

  41. Pablo says:

    Carin, ask your friend how she figures taking money from rich people and sending it to Washington is going to get her kids a job.

  42. serr8d says:

    I left miss KayinMaine a comment that should steam her clams. It’ll never clear moderation, though.

    My, but you are one worked-up far-Left radical wannabe-activist uterus-belaboring feminazi, aren’t you?

    The ‘Sarah Palin – Andrew Sullivan’ fake pregnancy photo links say all about you I need to know.

  43. JD says:

    OT – I don’t know if she has mentioned it, but Carin did her 1st half marathon yesterday, and kicked detroit ass in doing so. She should be super-proud of herself today. Way to go!

  44. happyfeet says:

    take away wall street romney and these phony protests are immediately rendered pointless I think

  45. happyfeet says:

    run run rudolph carin save the christmas?

  46. Carin says:

    in, ask your friend how she figures taking money from rich people and sending it to Washington is going to get her kids a job.

    I got a nice long lecture about Germany for that one, Pablo. Affordable healthcare, generous benefits for the unemployed.

    It’s a paradise, apparently.

  47. Carin says:

    JD, I pimped it in an older thread ;)

    LOL.

  48. newrouter says:

    ot

    I have obtained a copy of an email that the Congressional Budget Office just sent to “interested Hill staff,” stating that, “beginning immediately, legislation to repeal the CLASS provisions in current law would be estimated as having no budgetary impact.” This clears the way for CLASS to be quickly repealed by Congress, because Congress won’t have to find offsetting budget cuts for CLASS’ mythical “savings.”

    CLASS, you will recall, is the Obamacare long-term care entitlement that was known by all parties to be a fiscal time bomb, due to a structure that is designed to create an adverse selection death spiral in which only sick people use the program, driving up premiums and making them unaffordable and/or requiring a taxpayer bailout.

    This news also has strategic importance for overall repeal of Obamacare. As I discussed on Friday, the CBO scored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as reducing the deficit by $210 billion in the years 2012-2021. $86 billion of these savings comes from CLASS, because the program takes in premiums for five years, before it pays out claims, thereby making the program appear to be “deficit-reducing” in the near term.

    As a result of the new CBO score, PPACA’s alleged deficit savings are now $124 billion in the 2012-2021 timeframe, a meaningfully more manageable number, given that the reconciliation process will need to be used to repeal the law under a Republican President. Even this number is fudgy, as I describe in detail in this post, but the CBO’s view is of significant importance in Congress.

    Link

  49. Joe says:

    happy? The Rudy and Carin ticket?

  50. happyfeet says:

    I’m a willing to roll the dice

  51. Darleen says:

    Pablo

    Your comment it up … but so far mine are going into the bit bucket … I tried this one:

    “By the way, society dictates TODAY that one must have a Bachelors or more to get a good job in America”

    :::cough::: Steve Jobs :::cough:::

    Of course, if your intent is to eliminate capitalism, free markets and private business creation and have a State Command & Control economy, then yes, the State can demand a certain level of education in order for you to live.

  52. Pablo says:

    Is she fact averse, Carin? If not: Germany reaps rewards of entitlement cuts

  53. Pablo says:

    I’m going right in the bit bucket now too, Darleen. Apparently, follow ups are unwelcome.

  54. Pablo says:

    Zuckerberg launched Facebook from his dorm room. I’m not sure he ever attained a degree, and he certainly didn’t need one to succeed.

  55. happyfeet says:

    I’d rather be poor than see Zuckerberg when I look in the mirror

  56. Carin says:

    Well, Pablo, I think she’s ok with some of the cuts they’ve made in germany – because they still over healthcare, etc. She claims she’d be happy to pay 40% because it would mean we would have good schools, safe streets, and good healthcare. Just like in Germany. Policemen would show up at crime scene, etc. We would be transformed.

  57. Carin says:

    “By the way, society dictates TODAY that one must have a Bachelors or more to get a good job in America”

    Yea, that one got me too. Who, exactly, dictated this? Liberals and universities seeking to expand, that’s fucking who.

    It’s amazing that folks imagine transforming all sorts of things, but improving primary education and making college unnecessary? That is just unthinkable. Kookie talk.

  58. Darleen says:

    carin

    Does she not know human behavior? So things might be nice in Germany right now, but you cannot put two people in a room, pay them equally, but only one person works … eventually the worker looks at the freeloader and says, WTF, and stops working.

    See: DMV

  59. Slartibartfast says:

    I’d rather be poor than see Zuckerberg when I look in the mirror

    I don’t think he rolls that way, hf.

  60. happyfeet says:

    he’s one of them what’s into hookers you can just tell

  61. Carin says:

    Darleen, I bring her up because she WAS a conservative. Never made a lot of money (very frugal) and I find the current shift kinda scary. It may be an individual thing, but she may be a sign of wider feelings.

    also, what may work in German society doesn’t in others. The Germans I know are very hardworking. I doubt if you look at the homes of the German poor, they would look like the neighborhoods of America’s underclass.

    My husband wanted me to ask her if during a her travels through the poorer neighborhood of Germany, were there hordes of folks sitting on their porch drinking beer collecting welfare.

  62. happyfeet says:

    he’s the tiger woods of social media

  63. Slartibartfast says:

    I just figured if you looked into the mirror at yourself and saw Zuckerberg’s face, he’d be looking into the mirror and seeing your face. So I’m guessing he’s right behind you, or right in front. Either way: not into that.

  64. happyfeet says:

    you have quite a lively homoerotic imagination Mr. Slart

    you should write for The CW

  65. Darleen says:

    The Germans I know are very hardworking

    It’s that ethics and principle thing that Leftists tell us are bunk. So the German system wouldn’t last one generation in the USA. Indeed, our own original American work ethic principles have been nibbled away to bring us to this OWS nonsense that some actually take seriously.

  66. Seth says:

    The best response to calls to eat the rich I’ve seen so far: bar stool economics.

  67. Slartibartfast says:

    Oh no mr happyfeets you totally need to take credit for the mirror scene.

  68. happyfeet says:

    ok close your eyes Mr. Slart

    as Mark gazes deeply into my eyes through the mirror his hand appears on my bare shoulder.

    “Hey you wanna fuck some hookers with me, happy?”

    “OMG! Mark Zuckerberg! What are you doing in my mirror?”

    “I’m not really here happy this is just one of Mr. Slart’s fantasies.”

    “oh. So the hookers are just made-up hookers?”

    “Oh no, happy. The hookers are very very real.”

    “I don’t understand? … Am I on The CW?”

    “Gotta run ttyl, haps.”

    “Ok bye see you later Mr. Z!”

  69. Slartibartfast says:

    I’d guess that’s way too much conversation for the gay-porn industry to be interested, hf. But the softcore guys, not having much else to do, might bite. So to speak.

  70. Carin says:

    This comment thread has taken a turn for the worse.

  71. motionview says:

    I was wandering through those email archives the day Andrew released them, I pointed out a few items of interest (one of which includes the quote “I’ll see on on Friday, the pustules on my face should be gone”). I saw the “coordinating with Dylan Ratigan’s people” line, and have so internalized that of course they are coordinating with the MBM, there is in fact no real line between the two, that I didn’t even think to point it out.
    Yes, the razor-sharp news instincts of Ted Baxter.

  72. Slartibartfast says:

    Sorry. I blame hf.

    Congrats on the marathon, belatedly. I’m guessing that you had a goal. Was it to finish, or to finish under a certain time?

  73. McGehee says:

    eventually the worker looks at the freeloader and says, WTF, and stops working murders him and stuffs the body in the incinerator.

    FTFY.

    […]

    Why is everybody looking at me like that?

  74. Carin says:

    Sorry. I blame hf.

    Let’s just put this homoerotic (NTTAWWT) stuff behind us (oops) and move on.

    Congrats on the marathon, belatedly. I’m guessing that you had a goal. Was it to finish, or to finish under a certain time?

    Thanks. No, I was hoping to finish around 10 min miles, but wasn’t sure if I was going to be able to do so given that this was my first. I hit it dead on. 2:10:57. Next one i’ll try to get in the 9:45 range.9:30 would be a dream. No,a dream would be do get under 2 hours.

    because, let’s be honest here, two hours of solid running really is enough.

  75. Carin says:

    I’d only run 10 miles continuously up until yesterday.

  76. Slartibartfast says:

    More than enough, I’d say. Nice first effort!

  77. Squid says:

    With respect to people’s sympathy with the Owwies media’s support for more crony capitalism as a cure for crony capitalism, I’ve two reactions. The first is that we really need to be more aggressive in pushing back against the redefinition of capitalism that these guys are making, and also with stating clearly that they really are pushing for more of what it is they claim to protest.

    The second is that the sympathetic treatment of the Owwies can’t last forever. We’re talking about a collection of cranks, deadbeats, Stalinists, Nazis, and assorted hangers-on, fellow travelers and useful fools. It’s really just a matter of time before they start burning cars and breaking windows. Even if they can behave themselves (or, more likely, the MSM can keep their cameras pointed elsewhere), winter will drive them indoors, and the spectacle will be over. Honestly, they played this card a year early; it would have been much more effective if we were in the home stretch of the election campaign.

    They want to steal other people’s money, and they call themselves generous. They want to protest the takeover of Washington by Wall Street, by giving Washington more power to be corrupted. They want to create jobs by destroying the job creators. And at the core of everything, they want to protest Teh Won, but they can’t admit that He is a shit sandwich, and they’re all rubes for falling for HopenChange last time around.

  78. Squid says:

    And for your friend with the admiration of the Germans, you might want to ask her how the Germans are reacting to working their asses off so that their Greek (and Italian, and Spanish, and Portugese, etc…) neighbors can sit around and drink wine all day.

  79. Carin says:

    she’s gone dark on the subject. I’ll let you know if I get her to respond any more.

  80. Slartibartfast says:

    I am just starting to get back into it myself, Carin. I ran a few miles on Saturday morning; felt good, a bit sore the next day but nothing horrible. Hopefully I can be up over 5 miles in another week or two. Maybe I should set some running goals in addition to the martial arts goals.

  81. Joe says:

    McGehee, you then need to go to his house and take all his stuff, his identity, his wife and dog …that would almost make you a Leftist or a Fascist! Wear a Guy Fawkes mask while you do it.

  82. McGehee says:

    Joe, give me some credit. I think I know how to get away with murder by now.

    […]

    Did I say that out loud?

  83. Slartibartfast says:

    she’s gone dark on the subject

    All your racist intentions are belong to us.

  84. Squid says:

    2-Year-Old Girl Ran Over by Van & Ignored by 18 Bystanders

    If that played on American news, the 18 bystanders would’ve been painted as Tea Party types who carelessly remarked that the little girl shouldn’t have been playing in the street, and blaming it all on her incompetent lazy parents. Followed by a suggestion from the talking head that all our children be raised by Me’chelle and Teh Won, who have nothing but kindness and love for all of us.

  85. Carin says:

    Slat – just start slow. Us older folks are more prone to pesky injury. No need to up the milage too fast. Tendon injuries and shin splints are best to just be avoided.

  86. JD says:

    Carin – are you ready to do the toughmudder with me?

  87. Slartibartfast says:

    I know the drill, Carin. I ought to; I’ve done it enough times.

    I’m not even looking at my watch until I’ve done a few 5-mile runs.

  88. Slartibartfast says:

    JD, that looks absolutely crazy.

  89. Carin says:

    You doing the toughmudder next month? Won’t it be cold and shit? And mud involved?

    I want to do one of those dealos, just not in the cold. Because I’m a wimp.

  90. Carin says:

    I’m not even looking at my watch until I’ve done a few 5-mile runs.

    Sure you won’t ;)

    I’ve run all my life, but it had been a few years before I started again two years ago or so.

    I never knew I could hurt parts.

    And, I’ve been running all summer, 8-10 mile runs on the weekend.

    But today – add in 3 more miles and I’m sore.

    go figure.

  91. Carin says:

    They had the warrior dash here in michigan in July, and I wanted to do it so bad.

  92. A fine scotch says:

    JD, come do Colorado! http://toughmudder.com/events/colorado-2012/colorado-course-map-2012/

    4250 feet of elevation change!

  93. Slartibartfast says:

    Sure you won’t ;)

    I get your point, but I’m not even wearing one until I feel comfortable at 5 miles. Speaking of which, I need a watch with bigger numbers.

    Don’t laugh; it’s coming to everyone it hasn’t already come to. Wait and see.

    today – add in 3 more miles and I’m sore

    That, plus a desire to do well, which shouldn’t be dismissed as a factor.

  94. Carin says:

    today – add in 3 more miles and I’m sore

    That, plus a desire to do well, which shouldn’t be dismissed as a factor.

    Sure. Plus running on a road versus the dirt I usually try to frequent.

    Blacktop or dirt roads are my preferred medium.

  95. Mikey NTH says:

    They’re certainly taking long enough to craft that message. So long, that a message may have already gone out all by its own lonesome.

  96. JD says:

    Slarti – yes, kind of insane. Not nearly as insane as the Triple Tri in Portsmouth, OH in Apr or May.

    Carin – yes, in the cold. And wet. And mud. And electricity.

    Afs – let’s see how I do close to home before I travel cross country to abuse my body.

  97. JD says:

    http://www.americantriple-t.com

    My goal is to complete Friday, and both on Saturday. The one on Sunday I will just go as long as I can.

  98. Carin says:

    I was with you on that until the Sunday event. ALMOST sounded like fun.

  99. Carin says:

    I mean, maybe I could do JUST the Sunday event.

    maybe.

  100. JD says:

    Carin – The sunday event, alone, is considered to be one of the most grueling half-ironman’s in the country.

  101. Carin says:

    No, that would be cool to train for. But that alone.

    Or the other three events.

    Not all of them together.

  102. Carin says:

    Not be competative, of course. Just do.

  103. Carin says:

    Half ironman.

    yea. I could do that.

    eventually.

  104. Carin says:

    That sprint event on friday sounds like just flat out fun.

  105. JD says:

    The 2nd Olympic distance on Sat is supposed to be killer. It goes bike , swim, run, which really burns fatigued leg muscles more than the normal sequence. I am told that the medical staff gets a good workout pulling cramped swimmers out of the water.

  106. JD says:

    Yes, Fri night is supposed to be fun, get used to the water, and hills, and get loose for the full ironman over the next 2 days.

  107. Carin says:

    My cousin does t’s, but she only does one leg. Wimp.
    lol

    She also did a marathon once.

    ONCE.

    Never again.

  108. Carin says:

    I’d like to find a couple 10Ks to run over the winter, just to keep running. Would LOVE to do a Warrior Dash or similar (your mud run), but in more favorable weather. There is a half on Mackinaw that I’d love to do – trail run around the island.

    Two halfs and then the Crim again. Maybe just shorter local runs.

    I already told my husband the winter running outfit I want for my birthday. It’s super cute – SQUEEL1!!!

  109. Stephanie says:

    JD, have you tried this sport?

    A 65 in 45? Seriously?

  110. JD says:

    Okay, that looks fun.

  111. JD says:

    Carin – your cousin does tri’s with only one leg?! Now that is a BAMF.

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