Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson agreed with [MSNBC’s Ed] Schultz’s suggestion [that Herman Cain is gaining support from white racist voters by adopting and repeating their dog-whistle codes] and accused Cain of denying racism for the sake of his “great machinery of self-promotion.” Dyson said that Cain should especially recognize “post-intentional racism” – racism that people don’t intend to have or to act upon.
“Post-intentional racism.”
Defined as that racism which resides there in the sub-conscious, and that is only evident when others see it and determine it to be racism.
In other words, the perception itself (even if it is a politically motivated consensus that claims a politically motivated perception) is evidence of a thought crime — though one committed often unwittingly — because racism is to determined by the group who sees it or susses it out of the “coded language”, not by the intent of those who are to be charged with it.
I believe this site has finally reached its moment of singularity. Has it? Dare I risk a reader poll…?
Well, we dare not spell brake “brake”, dare we?
this is another big black eye on the conservative movement
thanks for breaking it down for us
those are dark thoughts hf
Indeed, a glorious future awaits us!
Leftist and Pragmatic Conservatives walking hand-in-hand down the street, as brothers, gleefully explaining the assembled onlookers: “Shut your ignorant visigothy pieholes! We’ll be the ones telling you what you really meant by your crude, unnuanced attempts at communication.”
Seriously. It’s one thing when you find your position being defended by SEK and Thersites. It’s quite another when it’s Eric Dyson — and he explicitly calls it “post-intentional.”
May as well just call it what it is: All your communications are belong to us! Or, if you prefer, post-individual.
Wasn’t there a pop song with a lyric like “and we’re free . . . free floating …”?
I guess I’m just an unsophisticated hick or something, but that just looks like a fancy way of trying to excuse making crap up.
When crap is made up and enough reasonable people can get together and declare it feasible that the made up crap means what they say it does, it means what they say it does — and that’s regardless of what was meant by it, as a rule.
All reasonable “interpreters” agree – the meaning is settled!
Otherwise, there’s the very real danger that 100 years from now the Maldives will have completely disappeared from the face of the earth, covered by untold (and unimaginable) numbers of egrets and black labradors.
That’s why I like Cain. Him and his dog-whistle codes.
I can’t help myself.
michael eric dyson is like a divining rod for the racism
just don’t call the dog boy
Racism is now officially a religious concept, as unfalsifiable as global warming and the Black Knight’s ability to prevent King Arthur from going where he damn well pleases.
I like Cain more and more
that it becomes clear there aren’t any viable alternatives.
Perry is a fucking joke already with his hate pastor problems and his general lack of intelligence and his proven inability to make the sentences. Plus his wife is every bit as batty as McCain’s was. Maybe even more.
Team R really really sucks at this game.
Maybe Perry will get his act together. But that seems doubtful, and if he did it would only split the not-Romney vote, since a lot of Cain supporters can be forgiven for thinking Perry is a dipshit.
sdferr, it’s “And I’m free, I’m free fallin'” song by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Oh, oh, dogwhistle word there too.
Heh geoffb, just goes to show how close I am to pop music.
the dog whistle maybe working
Link
Dyson’s finding his return-to-plantation dogwhistle doesn’t work on Cain. The look on his face: SHOCKED!
Reader poll? so old school. Just ask post-OWS:
“How do we feel, with hand signs, please?”
Twinkles, twinkles, we’re all stars.
#19 Well, I’ve got some serious jazz hands going on here, but I need the PW readership to interpret that for me. Am I for or against whatever the question was?
From the link:
I’m simply shocked, SHOCKED! to find that a director of Africana studies would find a common and widely used verb like “break” to be racist.
So in engineering, when we refer to a material or structure’s “breaking point”, apparently we really mean the point at which somewhere in time, a slave can’t take any more abuse and gives up. That may be difficult to measure.
Woah there! Hit the breaks!
Breaking!
We need — A Real Leader dot com
So in 2007-08 when Sen. Obama was breaking fundraising records…?
So, when Unions leaders demand more and longer breaks for their members, we can instead send them to sensitivity training classes? Can’t have ’em violating any of their newfound ideological soulmate’s principles.
OT:
MSU! MSU!
The post-intentional racism in this thread is appalling.
I have to imagine that this is exactly like Selma.
At which point Cain decided that, you know, there really is more money in running a nice big corporation. Better perks. Nights of sleep. No Democrats.
And so he pulled the plug and all the lying, religious proggs went doo do doo do doo do do doo…
Is it racist if you just dislike one person? He does have his followers. Like flies to a big pile of shit.
I’ll stand in for one of JD’s lines of wisdom. Dyson is not afraid to get his ass kicked. Simple as that. How else could a human being without an obvious mental default say such monumentally stupid things? No fear of getting his teeth kicked down his throat I say.
BTW, Cain is terrible. A week before all hell breaks loose he states the economy is in good shape. I also know this because happyfeet suddenly likes him. Happyfeet, his being a part of the problem doesn’t give him any insight on how to fix the problem.
Post-thought? Post-reason?
It’s times like this, because it must be in there and it would probably be best to let it out, that I just want to say NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER!
And now, off to drop a few bucks on Herman Cain, because he makes me feel so good about myself.
So, does your anti-Sparty wife find you insufferable at times like this GB?
And now there’s nothing left to do but go to Burger King and get some of them tasty mini-burgers.
more dog whistle
Link
“Oh, give me a break”
By which I mean, give me a slave.
Cain stands awkwardly for a few moments then suddenly begins to sing. Slowly at first but gaining in speed, he belts out “Impossible Dream” in the rich baritone he’s honed in church choir.
I bet that racist performed in black face too.
I’m all Down Twinkles.
Black Man At Sharpton Rally Calls Obama “House Nigger”
Heh. I’ve met that guy. He’s a hot shit.
Mr. OI you are wrong about Mr. Herman … I have come to decide that Cain is the best nominee by following a rigorous process of selection. Plus Mr. sdferr has confidence that his priorities are very much in order.
Plus the other candidates suck balls. I had hopes for Mr. Governor Rick but god bless america. He’s like Palin with a dick.
attached
you know what I mean
@#33 sdferr,
Nah, she just bleeds blue a bit and tomorrow I’ll get her a U of M T-shirt or something. And for our anniversary we’ll go to A² to have dinner.
Rest assured I’m crossing my fingers for Scherzer to have a Wolfie-like game tonight. Makes it damned hard to type, I can tell ya.
That’s A squared, HTML didn’t work.
This should be embarrassing for Georgetown. Dyson is such an intellectual lightweight he probably doesn’t realize the vapidity of that argument. This idiot uses Jay-Z in his classroom lectures – I’m waiting for he and Cornel to get together to produce a rap album. Take away their race prism and they have (less than) nothing to offer. As an aside, who the fuck watches MSNBC anyway?
oh good now Mr. Herman wants to fry him up some spics
it may be that none of these Rs are presidential material
that’s an increasingly distinct possibility really
Singularity. But let’s break that down: From the Latin singularitas. Of course Latin by itself is code for Dead White European Males, Western Civilization, empire, and slavery.
Therefore, your call for a poll on the site singularity is really a dog finger twinkle to get the n-word out of the White House.
-Michael Eric Dyson, post-reality
pizza boy nazi with his re-imagined berlin wall is off the list I think
that leaves Perry, who can’t make the sentences but to pander to gap-toothed white trash christers and who frankly is as bigoty towards mormons as pizza boy is to hispanics
maybe Perry will grow though
but the last thing we want is a nazi piece of shit that grows in office
“pizza boy nazi with his re-imagined berlin wall is off the list I think”
because throwing some red meat to your supporters hurts you how?
Securing the borders = nazi? Gee, and here I thought they were into invasions.
Except for the warning part thing on the fence, you mean. In two languages.
So it’d be like suicide fried spics, so to use your vernacular.
“nazi piece of shit”
you must have better names to call. you’re in marketing. geez tired leftiod rhetoric from you little debbie?
– Hmmmmm – Lets see,”singularity”. Would’nt that make the site a “Post intellectual Black hole”.
– They’ve finally achieved the ultimate dumbed down nirvana state of a totslly mindless vacuum, a world where even Martha Stewart is considered a genius.
now if cain was for mccain-kennedy oh what happiness in leftoid land from commies to rinos
Securing the borders so as to keep the communists out of West New Berlin Texas is, Jeff, and as a bonus = pizza boy Nazi!
So it’s like the Russians, the Italians, and the Germans want them some goner commie Mexicans. In Texas. I think.
“the ultimate dumbed down nirvana state of a totslly mindless vacuum”
yes scoamf land is now open
we need the electric fence ’cause one time woody wilson feared mexico siding with germany. its a progg thing.
– Yeh, I know. I denounce myself and throw myself into the event horizon.
nononono nobody need to fry to secure the borders
that’s just fucked up six ways to sunday
and not very pro-life really if you think about it
and surrounding America with a Wall Of Death is not what this little country is about I don’t think – it shrieks of cowardice and phobia and hate and stupid I think
and word to brokedick whoremerica – you ain’t that much of a fucking prize anymore
get over yourselves
Dare! Dare!
Well, somebody had to say it.
It’s not a good idea to give Mexicans the idea that the United States wants to kill them. Probably we should cut out that sending guns to the cartels stuff though.
what about all the little birdies?
SoCal part of brokedick whoremerica, feets? The cradle-to-gravist brokedick whoremerica, I mean. Depending on melatonin.
Probably a good idea to start taking down the murderous windturbines too.
“and surrounding America with a Wall Of Death is not what this little country is about I don’t think ”
nah just taco land. the canucks and jihadis are welcome from the north.
I’ve thought about it. Babies in the womb aren’t committing crimes. People trying to suck up government resources in a country they don’t belong to as citizens are. And an electrified fence is labeled and is a deterrent. The person doing the “frying” is the person trying to climb the thing, not the person who electrified it.
Cowardice is being afraid to defend yourself because you think it makes you look mean, and mean people suck. Suck it up, Nancy.
– No we shouldn’t give guns to birds either.
“what about all the little birdies?”
that’s what mr. cain’s moats are for.
SoCal is the still-beating HEART of brokedick whoremerica Mr. Howard. We have our finger on the pulse of fail like nowhere else in the country.
We’re not content to merely fail – we ceaselessly innovate the process.
Yes you do, feets, yes you do. Until such time as you collectively decide not to. Starting with decide.
No Mr. Jeff America needs no wall of death just a song in her heart and an eye to a better future.
And maybe a judicious application of autotunings.
OI, are you speaking to his time at the Kansas City Fed?
Your avatar is Hayek, yes? Then, let us look at when Hayek began working on what would later (much later) be called the Chilean model.
When did this begin? Under Pinochet. He was criticized for this. But, the later outcome remains the same.
Similarly, don’t we want to delve deeper into Cain’s reasoning in that position at the Fed? Did he not say in this last debate that he saw the proper role of the Fed as not a dual mandate but as the singular mandate of price stability? That is a specific statement that many others in that forum haven’t said.
I suspect that the two of you might agree on a great number of things.
I thought Hayek too bh, but it’s Von Mises on closer inspection.
His being a part of the Fed doesn’t give him any insight on how to fix the Fed.
yes I think his time at the Fed is a wonderful bit of experience that can only help inform his policies to the good
if he wasn’t such a damn nazi
That’s probably true, feets, like the proper role of cancer.
Heh, they all look alike after awhile, sdferr. Friedman didn’t look all that different either in his later years.
But, I think, the point remains.
If it’s so terrible to work at the Fed should all hawks avoid it so that it can be run entirely by doves? In this manner you could avoid being part of the problem. It would cost $1,000 to buy a candy bar tomorrow but at least none of those hawks would get their hands dirty.
Vindication!
Every time the subject of intentionalism v. interpretation comes up, I feel like asking…
If I say A, and someone interprets A to really mean B, when they tell everyone that, what prevents the meta-interpretation that by B, they really mean C, at which point a meta-meta-interpretation can tell us that C really means D….
Once you stop caring about what the speaker/writer intended, isn’t it just turtles all the way down?
It might. (And, you’re right, that’s not a given.) Yet, it might help corrupt him, too. It wouldn’t be determinative either way.
We’d have to go deeper into his thinking to get a feel for this rather than just noting his participation.
– Well ultimately you arrive at the tower of babbal, which is the “why” that drives the Lefturds to attempt to destroy common measnung. They need the attendent chaos to gain any ground. Stability and order is the kiss of death for the Left.
It is true that we’d have to go deeper into his thinking to comprehend rather than just note his participation at the Fed, bh.
Until such time as he does, he scares me because I fear my government and because I fear the Fed tolerant’s myopia.
The pinnacle of progressivism and the concomitant loss of everything you and hold structurally dear qualify that concern.
Jeff, you are assuming the sneaky vatos can read.
Post-intentional? Here I was just getting the hang of institutional racism.
Once you stop caring about what the speaker/writer intended, isn’t it just turtles all the way down?
Until you get to Yertle. He’s balanced on a rock.
My god, what a disaster of an inning.
“if he wasn’t such a damn nazi”
It seems odd now that just a few years ago I respected happyfeet and looked forward to his comments.
Ain’t noth’in fer forever I suppose…
I think I understand what you’re saying there, JHo, but with the possible exception of Gingrich I don’t know that any of the rest of them — Paul excepted, obviously — have given more than a minute of thought to these issues.
Don’t feel as though I can logically give Cain a harder time on something I tend to like his answer on (price stability, hawk) than those who don’t seem to care in the least. (No, just mouthing anti-Fed sentiment doesn’t count in my book. Sorry, Perry.)
You can distrust his hand on the till but the problem is the existence of the till not the hand.
And there is not a one of them — again, Paul excepted, obviously — who will fix that problem.
Mr. lee you only get to have that epiphany … let’s say 19 times until it’s sort of been done
But I’m sorry I disappointed you.
“if he wasn’t such a damn nazi”
you want nazi? dial baracky and his #ows brownshirts.
Even if it was an epiphany I discribed, and it wasn’t, who are you to to say how many I get?
Oh yeah, the anomynous shit flinger calling people bigots and nazis.
Typical.
you want “nazi” immigration policy see mexico’s
Is there a more fundamental question, albeit naive on the surface, underlying the caring of the caring interpreter? I don’t know this as a general condition, though I think it possible, but it seems to me that the best interpreters I’ve witnessed care about other matters in regard to the intending persons they mean to interpret, beyond, or maybe before, their interpreting itself gets going.
the happyfeet should do a reverse “la raza” thing in mexico city. guacamole happens.
“Is there a more fundamental question, albeit naive on the surface, underlying the caring of the caring interpreter?”
dude we are dealing with lying scum bags who want to kill you politically if not physically.
newrouter, you misunderstand, I think. But think what you will.
In re #94, Moral Sentiments, sdferr. What’s the line I’m looking for?
I’m unsure bh? Should we dig around?
what happens if they tunnel under the gringo death fence Mr. lee?
That’s cheating! We should get to shoot them.
turtles
yum!</a
Blowtorches work good in tunnels. The defenders of Iwo would tell us, but they got cooked.
see this doesn’t say shining light on a hill somehow Mr. sdferr
“But think what you will.”
i think they’re lying scum bags who take anything our side says and twist in the most grotesque way so their leftiod bonfides are there to see and finger thing.
“I’m a thought criminal! Didn’t even know it myself. Kids found it out, clever little tykes.”
the shining mortuary underneath the hill. viva pemex.
ok here we go
your move, herr herman!
True, it doesn’t. But then, neither did Hiroshima or Nagasaki, for that matter. Which, as just a couple of instances among many, had established certain lines that needn’t be crossed. Then that reminder wore off, I guess, while other more jealous though minor monstrations nearer to home have likewise eroded over time (like, say, pay-outs to illegal aliens willy-nilly here and there). So the shining hill was obscured.
It’s kinda like the disappearance of clothed eroticism, in that way.
That is the choice then? Pretend there is no problem, or shoot them?
Seems there otta be a solution somewhere inbetween.
Can’t think of the specific search string that would find it for us. It’s there though.
I think we need to focus on the spendings first Mr. lee.
Cause of that’s the mandate we need to win in 2012.
Else that flickering oft-obscured light will shine no more.
i need a tissue
It’s shining city on the hill. You do know why you build the city at the top of the hill right?
We have both the most stupidly lenient and stupidly harsh immigration “rules”. Rationalize that so there is a wide gate that is still a gate. Otherwise that shining city becomes Zuccotti Park aka “Shitty City”.
I suppose signs 50 miles north of the border warning Americans they will be shot if they go any closer to the border is better than a fence at the border warning dire consequences to foreigners illegally crossing the border.
If you are a weirdo it’s better I mean…
Yes.
Stay on the sidewalks, people.
It’s on the hill for so people can see it and feel hope in their hearts.
@#94,98,104,110
Not really a string but caring about truth would seem to be a prerequisite.
On your way up our hill.
I mean, put your clothes back on, America. Leave something more to the imagination, and you’ll be far more desirable, and maybe less warty to the mind’s eye.
I thought it was because of the flooding.
“think we need to focus on the spendings first “
You’re so coy!
As if you never heard the argument illegals are a big part of the spendings.
Griefers are so 2007.
hola, hope-seekers!
ZZZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!
hah did you see that one’s face?
no it’s in the bible Mr. bh you put the light where people can see it
Mr. Cain’s magical death fence is kind of a pricy line-item I would bet Mr. lee
that’s a crap-load of electicitah
*electrictah* I meant
*electricitah*
jeeze that was hard
“Sod off, Swampy !!!”
“Mr. Cain’s magical death fence is kind of a pricy line-item I would bet Mr. lee
that’s a crap-load of electicitah”
you do suck taco sour cream
ok I’m a watch tv I will talk to you guys later
peace outtie!
My bad. 80 miles.
“We do not have control of this area.” Think about that. We don’t have control of our own country.
And the griefers grief on.
Okay, found it. Necessary search string was “fellow-feeling”. You said:
Smith says:
Btw, this also says much about our occasional inability to communicate on the internet as well. We’re all about facial expressions and gesticulation and such. Humans might be the typing animal but it might be better said that we’re the oft-confounded and enraged typing animals.
OT: of sorts.
Knuckleheads, more than just a few I’d say.
Mr. Cain’s electrified death fence would be zapping at all of 9 volts. It’s the amps that kill. The sign on the fence? An attention getter. I’ve been up close and personal with cattle fencing and gotten a nice burn. But that is all. Birdies don’t assplode on electrical lines strung between telephone poles and they won’t assplode on cattle fences either. However, they might provide a good usage for all of that solar paneling Obama’s EPA is jonesing for and gee, aren’t teh solars like best constructed on desert land? So, Bonus! Until the taco dudes figure out that cloudy days might be the best days for to make it over said solar powered fencing.
It’s the new 9-9-9-9 plan!
– There will always be people like feets who fight to overwhelm the system because of their idealism and people who will fight just as hard to try to save whatever small bit of sovereignty
we have left.
– Hopefully the tension will continue. If it totally collapses hf will learn a hard lesson we can’t afford tp teach him.
Not such an outlandish idea.
Seems the Californians already have electrified fencing to keep certain illegals contained.
Oh my! HF is sure to take offense.
Seems Herman is leading from behind…
http://www.justice.gov/jmd/2009justification/office/fy09-bop-bf-justification.doc
” Construction has begun on the stun/lethal electric perimeter fence at all 7 sites.”
Justice.gov
Ooops. Guess this is the time to make some noise about illegals being… law breakers. Can’t wait for teh next dem, prog or griefer to complain about the Hermanator’s suggestion.
sdferr, in case I’ve made a confusing analogy, I’m saying that it isn’t only emotional states that require fellow-feeling to interpret in another or in a group of others. The “care” required can also be a fellow-thinking. Fellow-metrics even.
Cain’s going to catch a lot of flack for those shocking remarks.
One thing ‘feets is good for, he can anticipate the Left’s attacks on our team members. All that sack-time with Nishi gave him nice squishy proggtennae.
I’m saying that it isn’t only emotional states that require fellow-feeling to interpret in another or in a group of othersAs I recall from my youth, ‘Never judge a man until you’ve walked two moons in his moccasins.”
no mulligans on the last few. please do keep up the game.
*that* was blockquote-fail. huh. Lucky I didn’t leave a tag open.
I don’t care if you have electric fences around prisons but not America.
America is supposed to have substantially more class than that.
‘feets, do you know what goes on in America that you are not even aware of?
You’d be frightened out of two month’s growth if you were. This little Republic lost her ‘shiny light’ thinger prolly even before you were born.
Yes I know everything what goes on in America I am not even aware of. I google it!
Ann Coulter has managed to annoy me.
Man, did Jimmie Johnson hit that wall hard.
I like that passage bh.
I had in mind the simple question, again, apparently naive on the surface (yet anything but in the detail), “what is this organic thinking being?”
What sort of being are we, in other words? And this question is driven, in the best I’ve seen anyhow, by a kind of eroticism, though not the ordinary kind. Symposium addresses the oddness of it, I think.
“America is supposed to have substantially more class than that.”
Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson – classhole
Yep. He hit that wall really hard. Shades of Daytona and Earnhardt for a second there.
Plus the Rangers are kicking ass. Plus the UO ASU game is all tied up. Good game so far.
At least Kenseth kept the cry baby out of first. Busy sports nights are teh awesome.
The ordinary kind of eroticism is probably the best kind. With the tits and ass and all that.
Clear winner. But… equally as odd.
Bang-bang on.
To be sure, the most palpably regular, decent sort of drive. Aristophanean, in this context.
Thanks god for New Yorkishness, still with us.
Who knew Mexicans were racists.
I shall now twitter.
yipee!
Is that like twinkle?
Now I can’t help but think about the glue content in cardboard. sigh
serr8d, Coulter has just discovered that she’s not nearly as omniscient as she thought she was; like finding her first gray hair, or first wrinkle, she’s not handling it well….
We *of the by the for the* types just have something to teach Miss Coulter, is all. She’ll figure it out, ex post facto.
A problem with Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is the additive nature of sales taxes in states that already do us damage with sales taxes. Here in Tennessee, we don’t have a State Income Tax, but I’m now paying an already-confiscatory 9.75% combined state and local sales tax. Cain’s additional 9% will be even more noticeable and annoying…
Is 18.75% a deal-killer for me? No, but for many it very well might be.
The Kentucky line is only 50 miles north. People in border-towns (Memphis, Clarksville and Chattanooga) already slip across to buy foodstuffs and big-ticket items.
ELECTRIC FENCE~!
Under the theory serr8d, I think the idea is that despite appearances, once the older tax regime is tossed out we wouldn’t end up paying any more than we already do, that sum merely having been shifted from one [hidden] place to another more visible. And being visible is valued a good thing.
“Is 18.75% a deal-killer for me? No, but for many it very well might be.”
is the current “tax code” a fraud? should we be discussing the current tax code? No says commies and rinos.
serr8d, I am no fan of sales taxes. I hate taxes all together. But if income taxes are locked in low by consitutional amendment, I can live with it (look at Oregon and Washington. Oregon has no sales tax, but a 5% income tax. Washington has no income tax, but an 8.6% sales tax. If the sales taxes go to 9% and 17.6% is it really going to change much?). Until it is fixed by an amendment, this conversation is more dorm room bullsession than something real. Herman Cain does not strike me as a Nancy Pelosi/Barack Obama “let’s pass something and see what it is later” sort of guy.
I’m back from Twitter.
Hey, did we know that SBP has a blog?
si
Hey, maggie!
No one tells me anything, sdferr.
He has his comments turned off. I was gonna say hi.
hey bh!
Noticeable and annoying are features not bugs, I’m thinking he’s thinking.
He hasn’t twittered since 16 June 2010. Must be very busy, or something.
Hey, I can live with it, knowing and understanding the numbers and all. But, retired gramps and gramms with fixed incomes that aren’t taxed, looking at 18.75%, are going to shit the bed, and Depends won’t help. There’ll be an outcry, is all I’m predicting.
Oh… I totally zoned out on the dates. That was forever ago that he had a new blog post up. I thought the Oct 7th post was newish rather than two years ago.
They may have benefits from zeroed cap-gains serr8d, no?
I was just talking about that with a retired couple, serr8d. Not sure how to finesse that if we move to a consumption tax.
Yeah, it definitely hits retired people the hardest (along with property taxes, inflation, etc).
We have to figure out how to do it best but we need that negative feedback loop on taxes. Taxes suck, don’t vote for them.
Speaking of zoning out… I’m zoning out of Georgia next week for a campus visit and to watch the daughter play college ball, finally. They had a tourney two weeks ago in extreme northern WVA and it SNOWED. Pray for a warming trend if you’re into that sorta thing or just a gesture to the weather gods or something. I don’t relish walking 36 in the snow, and I know she isn’t keen on playing in it, either. They are playing at a ski resort; however, the irony is not gonna keep us warm.
Works for me.
A certain percentage, sure, but I’m thinking of the bare-bones sorts who will be sought out by opponents of the move.
It’s partly my fault; being one of the original horn-honkers and all.
You could also enforce the laws we have and fine employers who hire illegals. That would end the problem (well about 90% of the problem). Especially given visa overstays may be 50% of the illegals in this country (so they came in by airplane not by crossing the border illegally). I know that might sound crazy compared to an electrified fence 2000 miles long. But that is my modest proposal.
That means no cheap dry wall workers, Americans will have to work in kitchens again (and not as celebrity chefs). House cleaners will not be Guantamalan or Mexican anymore. Felons can get jobs as roofers again. We may have to mow our own grass or (*gasp*) maybe some of those out of work college kids at OWS could actually do a little mowing, raking and snow shoveling.
Yes, that is clearly insane. Better to go with the electrified death fence.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576628673446417268.html
Interesting. Then again, if he is so smart, why is he still a Democrat? It is not like being an Establishment Republican is such a stretch.
serr8d, then again your game was very soothing.
Not done with thread by a long shot, but I read this and started laughing indecently out loud.
I guess I’m a horrible post-racist, too.
Momentum restored, Cain launches into a pitch for his signature 9-9-9 tax plan, and the crowd is right there with him, chanting 9-9-9 along with the Georgia businessman.
999, 999, aeiou, aeiou
From what I understand the fatalities from electrical fencing are more often due to people getting stuck on them and cooking than immediately lethal shocks but I do not know much about electrical fencing.
Also what if 9-9-9 implemented some level of feedback to the states so we could rip out state-level taxes? :|a Because if then: Problem solved. On the other hand: Great, now the level of financial independence of individual states is further in the crapper. (Not like we’ve been massively responsible with that over in California.)
So. We add to the sign an arrow pointing to the closest border crossing and an indication of the distance to said border crossing. That, my friends, is hope.
Taxes should be noticeable and annoying.
Re: 9-9-9.
Bachmann was right in her bad joke. The devil is indeed in the details.
What is to be considered income? Not all currently taxable income is subject to the payroll tax which has been considered how the 9% will not be an increase on those with limited or fixed incomes as it seems that there is not a personal exemption mentioned (IIRC) so the tax starts at dollar one. The Fair tax does have an exemption for poverty level income built in.
What is to be considered a taxable item when sold, new? Food? Gasoline? Prescription drugs? Heating oil? Electricity? Insurance? Homes? Commercial real estate? Stocks? Bonds?
The one thing that can be stated and is a positive is that a 9% corporate rate will move through the supply chain lowering costs at each step which will have a cumulative compounding effect in lowering prices at the retail level. The only companies to be hurt would be those who have so arranged their corporate affairs to make their taxes disappear. Corporate tax sheltering would not be a good deal anymore.
I could deal with 99_ or __9. Putting them together could be problematic.
But then, voting Herman Cain into the WH doesn’t make 999 automagically appear. As we keep reminding our proggtarded folks, the President is not an elected king.
What we do get is a mandate for tax reform the likes of which hasn’t been seen in awhile, particularly if a Cain election is accompanied by more TEA party types coming into the House and Senate.
But mostly, I’m liking Cain for the “Suck it, Establicans!” aspect.
I’m all starry eyed at the “scrap the whole frigging tax code” aspect of the thing. I want to wake up next to that for the rest of my life.
I’d be a little starry eyed at scrapping the whole hey let’s turn America into a ginormous lethal spic-zapper thing.
To do that, I’d have to assume that spics are no smarter than moths. And I’d have to hysterically and hyperbolicly exaggerate the non-existent lethality of an electric fence. Which, I tend toward the rational and realistic, so no can do.
Hey, maybe we should just act like the spics do when people decide to just stroll across their Southern border.
an enthusiasm for pandering to immigrant-fetishists is not an attractive quality in a president especially when he claims to be a teadoodle – but the spic eradication and control was never a teadoodle issue
brother has issues
oopsies. My bad. Nevermind. Carry on.
Cain 2012!!!!
sorry about the pizza boy nazi thing Mr. Herman sometimes I get carried away
Hmmmph. ‘feets, you’re about as funny as Kevin Jennings making a fist in crowded locker room.
you’ve been dining out on Mr. Kevin for many many moons and he’s not even in government anymore and you’ve got nothing to point to from when he was in government what justifies all the ungodly screechy-screech I don’t think
Because nothing says “WHITE RACIST” like supporting a black politician whose policies and personal story you like.
Yea, that makes sense.
It would be heartening I think if our good Mr. Herman took all the immigrant yimmer-yammer out of his stump speech and focused on the for reals existential issues stalking America like the spendings and the joblessness and the suffocating regulatings and talked more about beating back Obama’s war on jobs and self-reliance and domestic energy and freedom.
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You remeber Steve McQueen in the movie,”The Great Escape” and he killed a nazi and stole his motorcycle and was jumping those wicked looking fences that were supposed to be the boarder fences between Germany or Austria or somesuch and Switzerland?
Guess what. That was, like, totally real. There really is a bunch of wicked razor wire on huge twenty foot crossed poles on the boarder of Switzerland and all of her damned neighbors.Switzerlnd is like the Honey Badger of Europe. Nobody fucks with Switzerland ’cause Switzerland don’t give a shit.
We need a fence like that so we can be the Honey Badger of the western hemisphere. Then people who want to get here will have to have visas and pasports and stuff instead of wirecutters and dope.
a formidable fence or wall is fine with me Mr. Mueller – I prefer a wall, preferably one what’s architecturally interesting and aesthetically-pleasing
A formidable enforcement effort that fines employers hiring illegals would work too.
We could create a private right to seek these civil fines. Talk about a wedge issue for the trial lawyers and the Dems.
Heh. Kevin Jennings ‘screechy-screech‘. Related.
A formidable enforcement effort that fines employers hiring illegals would work too.
businesses should be free to hire who they want for the job – they shouldn’t have to do the failshit government’s job for them
leave businesses alone I think – they have enough on their plate trying to survive in our over-regulated job-hating joke of a free enterprise country
Has David Gregory pulled down his pants and flashed the audience his ass again? That boy needs a new act. This one has gotten too predictable. Maybe get some dogs and babies Dave. Oh, and a brain.
happyfeet, how’s if citizen co-workers commence to beating the crap out of illegals right there on the job sites? On account of they have fellow citizen acquaintances who could well do the job the illegal fella is doing?
that would be very unsporting Mr. sdferr
It’s a level of tolerance closer to serious happyfeet. As things are, a bunch of people are going to start getting the idea of unsustainability, and once that sits in tight, shit’s going to get messy.
The queen of screechy-screech is pointing to other people’s complaints and calling it screeching. No one can screech like the master, electric hamster.
speaking of Mr. Gregory – some random-ass propaganda slut at Salon named Steve Kornacki has predicted he will be Mr. Cain’s waterloo
How funny is it that some Salon moron could imagine David Gregory as the Duke of Wellington? Or sad.
I agree Mr. sdferr
but beating on people what just want to work is what union whores do
that’s not how for reals America rolls
but yeah i agree about the imminent messy
I mean, I doubt David Gregory can organize his own sock drawer, let alone an interesting and honest refutation of Herman Cain.
For reals America has been disappeared for nigh on thirty years or more happyfeet. I can tell you without pause that illegals would not work on my job sites, and that only partly because I don’t communicate in Spanish.
illegals are a lot of times people what have been here for many many moons and have working age kids what are as American as me or you
they’re welcome to bid on redoing my kitchen
when I get one
Tolerance can’t be our highest principle hf. It’s self-undercutting, as you know. The hidden wrongs accompanying pretended acts of kindness have to be faced, whether immediately or, as we are beginning to see today after decades of softness, eventually. And eventually, as you have just pointed out, means with further entangling evils, so, better the sooner than later. Same goes for running enormous budget deficits, which I think you can see. Address the issue sooner (don’t let it start!) or suffer more troubles down the road.
we can try building a wall
but I’m not down with harassing businesses
How do we stop the fail? Why, more fail, of course. This is California’s America, after all.
I don’t have to be down with harassing businesses. I am down with businesses thinking what the hell they are doing to themselves and everybody else. They can figure it out. I mean, shit, I can figure it out and I’m no prize.
What’s that, you say? You want to hop my border and do my job for half my wage and stick your fist up my ass? Well, I am awfully tolerant.
Pablo, what’s the spread on the 4 o’clock game?
I’m not sure I agree at all … America has become so hostile to free enterprise I can’t blame someone for hiring an experienced worker at a price that helps his bottom line
it’s hard out there
and 52% of our countrymen just recently voted to put a cocksucking dirty socialist anti-American whore in our little white house.
fuck em. We can put Mr. Jennings in charge of that if you want.
And don’t the Pats run some kid named Hernandez out on the field? What’s up with that?
;-)
Surely you’re not suggesting our priors are hostile to free[er] enterprise hf? I mean, wha?
we need a shit-load more immigrants than we have now if we ever hope to right the demographic ship
and I don’t think Herman and Mittens’ demagoguery on the issue is at all helpful
at the very least immigrants bring an entrepreneurial zeal that has died died died in America’s union whore rent-seeking over-regulated beat-down cowering natives
and we need to replenish our stock of the entrepreneurial zeal sooner rather than later
Let me guess happy, your favorite muffin shoppe has some undocumented nice young men working in the kitchen…and you do not want to see any harm come to them.
I mean, it’s not like they are Sarah Palin.
What’s the question here? And are there other solutions to the problem the question poses? But first, what’s the question?
which priors what?
I don’t understand.
the question is how do we address the problem of the anticipated ratio of workers to greedy hyper-entitled codgerboomers
Pats by 7, sdferr.
I really like Hernandez, and I was happy to see him back on the field last week, until…*
Our priors, well, my priors, means the general economic conditions I believe best for the prosperity of the American people (myself included thereunder) and the American nation. The sort of economic and structural legal assumptions that go along with fidelity to the political theory that gave rise to the Constitution of the United States and the couple centuries of free peoples working their relatively free economic magic.
happy, I am all for more immigrants. But the current system is not promoting assimilation. I would like to see legal immigration greatly increased. And we should be recruiting young fecund individuals from around the world who are the best and brightest. They should have health and auto insurance, and good prospects, and should not be expecting to use emergency rooms as their primary treatment option.
But you can’t have open immigration with a social welfare state. It will not work.
I do not want to deny you your muffins.
Euthanasia, obviously. Anybody ever tell you you’re a twisted fuck, ‘feets?
Ah. Yes. Well, how about by restructuring the ugly-assed system of payouts from the jump? Since we’ve already figured out the thing functions as a ponzi-scheme, it merely remains to stop ponzi-ing ourselves and work out a better means of taking care of the people who truly need taking care of, and letting people capable of taking care of themselves (and who, after all, would take better care of them than themselves?) to do that. There are, as Gov. Daniels (quoting J. Adams) has said, great things wanting to be done.
yes we had a good thing going on for awhile there
and yes I think America has become hostile to free enterprise
I think business creation statistics bear that out
by restructuring the ugly-assed system of payouts from the jump
chop chop!
Sunday Morning Fox News Sunday Chris Wallace Watch is interrupted this week to see David Gregory attacking Herman Cain for the
DemocratsGEMBM. So far so good for Mr. Cain. Here’s a sample exchange:Gregory: In reality, this newspaper says your plan raises taxes on the poor and middle class and cuts taxes for the rich.
Mr. Cain: That’s not true. Let me explain embedded taxes. They are not accounting for embedded taxes.
Gregory: In reality, ah, we don’t just read newspapers. We asked, ah, other people, and they said your plan raises taxes on the poor and middle class and cuts taxes for the rich.
Mr. Cain: You are still wrong. Let me again explain embedded taxes. You are not accounting for embedded taxes.
Gregory: OK. So given that your plan raises taxes on the poor and middle class and cuts taxes for the rich, how will you ever get that passed? In reality?
Gregory might as well get tool tattooed on his forehead
Standing in for our faithful correspondent motionview, I can say that today, Chris Wallace attempted to pound Eric Cantor with the bloodied corpse of Mark Zandi, but Mr. Cantor would have none (though not enough none!) of it, besides that Chris Wallace found the corpse quite heavy lifting .
actually this paper [PDF] suggests I’m wrong and there’s no growing hostility to free enterprise reflected in business creation statistics at least through 2008 (I’m looking at the “New non-employer entrepreneurial jobs” number on p. 19)
it’s like things were generally ok before Obama
Where did “chop chop” as a commonplace phrase begin, from whence does it derive? Was it begun with an illegal Chinese immigrant, or someone from some other Asian nation, mayhap?
They also showed video this morning of Mr. Cain saying “Liberals are trying to destroy America”. Mr. Cain did not back down from this position under repeated skeptical assaults by Gregory.
I think my dad started it
Heh. Chinese Pidgin English.
The dict. say:
they had to have invented it before the intergalactic railroad so that date makes sense
Stuff gets buried.
via Insty
That park the Owwies occupy, Zuccotti park, it has occurred to me in the last day or so, was the place of quite a few photographs of people covered in concrete dust on Sept 11, 2001, sitting on its benches or walking through it on their way away from the murder site.
Oh, and because it is located on Liberty St., it was called Liberty Park at that time. Bin Laden too understood what to attack.
There are people going on the internet around dredging up how Herman Cain said on the radio before Obama, that the economy was in good shape but only
weeksdayshoursminutesseconds after he said that the entire universe imploded, financially speaking, and what an idiot Mr. Black Pizza Guy was not to see it coming!!!!!!eleventy!Obviously your mere facts and figures must yield to the fierce moral urgency of Teh Narrative.
Obama thought his stimulus was gonna make a party in our pants
Obama is a dumbfuck
He truly is happyfeet. Altogether a moron.
Herman Cain, I’m noticing, knows people don’t know who he is, but isn’t all up in the nation’s face with anxiety about that, because, the way I understand it, he knows himself so well. He’s just trudging along humming his own tune, undeterred by the enormity of the task he’s taken on. That evidence of self-knowledge is quite encouraging to me.
Herman and I have had some misunderstandings plus I’m still a little mad about his rock of vile 80s racism shenanigans
but I’m journaling my feelings and I think I’m making a lot of progress
You mean insensitivity, I take it? Yeah, well, that’s a fairly minor episode in what will be a long epic-length story when it’s all said and done.
Trudging along.
What’s the tune? Gospel singer. He gots a bunch of ’em.
yes that one I think almost everybody’s forgotten except for some diehard perrybears
and me cause I got my eye on these not-Romney Rs
I have big plans for one of em just not sure which yet
I’d guess Bryan Preston isn’t happy about it to this day.
“The post-intentional racism in this thread is appalling.”
“That’s the breaks, sweetheart.” — Remo Williams
I don’t know if you could tell hf, but I just got through watching poor David Gregory attempting to fail to understand what was confronting him. It was high hilarity watching him purposely turn away from grasping the idea of a majority of the people of the US demanding a particular action by their Congress. Time and again, Mr Cain would explain, and time and again David Gregory refused to see the simple proposition.
I need to see it… I will find a link
here’s 6 minutes
David Gregory is just weird
mostly when he talks
we just let a cocksucking piece of chicago ghetto trash shit throw out our healthcare system and rape it in the streets and Gregory is worried Mr. Cain won’t be able to simplify the tax code?
He’s a deeply silly monkey.
I’ve known smarter kindergarteners.
Chop chop, Chairman’s little red hatchet came down upon their heads…
Clap.
Why is happyshits still welcome here?
It’s not enlightening — unless you count being the example of how not to be useful — it’s not honest, it’s not even amusing. It’s a fucking thug sucking helium because it thinks a squeaky voice makes it less of a thug.
Kill it, already.
“Why is happyshits still welcome here?”
for the chop chop tacos
And the pickles.
sdferr,
I make the comments!
‘feets can be somewhat annoying, Crawford, but he’s tolerable. And harmless. Mostly. Until he gets in one of his toothy-attack-piranha moods and chews up everything that’s 2 inches or closer to the floor.
Just toss out a cupcake and he’ll be quiet for awhile. )
Aye, long may you wave your short stubby arms.
These work best.
#272
It is more amusing and nonsensical than annoying when he goes into a rant. But that’s just me ,cause I’m mature.
Pull my finger.
You make the no sense !
*nonsense*
no
wait,
nuisance.
Say, does anybody know who won last season’s Cup?
Bugsy Watson !!!!!