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DOJ to religious community: All your ministers are belong to us!

No, really.

Jesus wept. Or rather, he would, were he not bound by a gag order, awaiting a court ruling on his fitness to preach his own non-inclusive gospel.

53 Replies to “DOJ to religious community: All your ministers are belong to us!”

  1. newrouter says:

    bad link

  2. Joe says:

    ditto. bad link.

  3. Abe Froman says:

    It’s rather amusing that Morons United For Separation Of Church And State are dipping their beaks into this on the side of the government.

  4. Jeff G. says:

    link fixed

  5. Physics Geek says:

    Acting Deputy Solicitor General Leondra Kruger told the court, during oral arguments, that the federal government should be able to trump the church on these decisions.

    The church members in reply invited Solicitor General Leondra Kruger to blow them.

  6. cranky-d says:

    I like the fact that they just keep going and going and going, like the energizer bunny of fascism. Their policies have been pretty much rejected by a majority of people, but they won’t let that stop them. They know what’s best for us.

  7. sdferr says:

    Their policies have been pretty much rejected by a majority of people, but they won’t let that stop them. They know what’s best for us.

    It’s true cranky-d: we could say they’re operating under a religious compulsion.

  8. BBHunter says:

    “They know what’s best for us.”

    – Their problem is they’re so obcessively bent on forcing their Socialist idea’s on thw country they don’t even know whats best for themselves.

    – When the backlash starts it will be non-stop, and it won’t be pretty.

  9. LBascom says:

    I don’t even see where there is any standing. Isn’t this simply contract law? She agreed with a contract and broke it. Under the terms, she goes. What’s left to say?

    Maybe the DOJ thinks she’s union or something.

    Maybe I’m just simple minded…

  10. mojo says:

    Well, we in the First Church of Voudoun (Reformed) sure don’t need no hep pickin’ hougans…

  11. Squid says:

    It seems a singularly stupid thing for the Administration to pursue. Like Lee, I see it as largely a contract dispute — the teacher bound herself to internal dispute resolution, and didn’t like the result, so she went crying to Uncle Obama. Even if SCOTUS doesn’t slap it down on First Amendment grounds (which they damn well better!), the silly bint would still lose on the merits.

    On the political side, I can’t think of a single thing Obama could do that would more assure that the Evangelicals set aside any qualms they have about the Mormon candidate. Nothing like a common enemy (and an existential one at that) to bring the bitter clingers together.

    And if all the above weren’t stupid enough, there’s the hubris of State thinking it’ll win a war against Church. Silly wabbits.

  12. newrouter says:

    But how do you overthrow the government and leave its Commander in Chief in power?

    The anti-establishment crowd affiliated with the Occupy Wall Street protesters has gone out of their way to emphasize that they’re not protesting him when he visits Detroit Friday.

    The grassroots group known as Occupy Detroit has planned its occupation for Friday — the same day President Barack Obama will visit the Metro area.

    But the group doesn’t plan to protest the president, who will visit General Motors Co.’s Orion Assembly Plant with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak to herald the pending U.S.-South Korea free trade agreement.

    They’re anti-establishment, but not opposed to the current head of government. Somehow, despite his running the executive branch of American government, they see no reason to hold him accountable for any of their grievances.

    Or as Noemie Emery writes today, “Protesters won’t dare picket Obama.” When I was kid, I remember anti-establishment forces took their poses a lot more seriously.

    Link

  13. JD says:

    When Leondra Kruger told the Court that, opposing counsel should have dropped trou, spread his cheeks, and told her to kiss kiss lick kiss his chocolate starfish, his brown-eyed wink.

  14. LBascom says:

    “When Leondra Kruger told the Court that, opposing counsel should have dropped trou, spread his cheeks, and…”

    You mean the opposing counsel representing the Lutheran congregation? Is that how Lutherans interpret that whole “turn the other cheek” thing?

    I don’t know, just asking…

  15. JD says:

    I was referring to their counsel, not the Lutheran congregation. And, who says Lutherans don’t have a sense of decorum?

  16. Squid says:

    My old congregation thought that pretzels and beer should be consecrated as the body & blood. We were a sorta weird congregation, though.

  17. cranky-d says:

    Luther used to see the Devil, and he would show the Devil his naked backside. So, it would be quite in keeping with the spirit.

  18. newrouter says:

    Pastor Robert Jeffress, who caught major heat after he said that GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney is in a cult, because he is a Mormon (he subsequently defended this inflammatory statement).

    Now, Jeffress is in for a new challenge, as Americans United for the Separation of Church and State (AUSCS) is asking the Internal Revenue Service to investigate him.

    The group sent a letter to the IRS encouraging the federal government to investigate whether Jeffress and his house of worship, Dallas-based First Baptist Church, violated federal law by posting a video clip of his Rick Perry endorsement on the church’s web site. According to DallasNews.com:

    First Baptist Church in Dallas has a clip of Jeffress’ appearance on the MSNBC show Hardball with Chris Matthews…Federal law allows pastors to personally endorse political candidates but the church itself can’t be involved in supporting any particular candidate for office.

    Link

  19. You don’t get it. It’s not freedom of religion, it’s freedom from religion.

  20. LBascom says:

    Well, I do draw the line at inserting political endorsements onto the church website. It’s like they’re more than a church if they start doing that, and the “more than” part makes them accountable to the IRS and the campaign contribution limitations everyone else has to live under.

    Jesus, Budda, and Mo may get a free ride, but not Rick Perry.

  21. newrouter says:

    “Well, I do draw the line at inserting political endorsements onto the church website. It’s like they’re more than a church if they start doing that, and the “more than” part makes them accountable to the IRS and the campaign contribution limitations everyone else has to live under. ”

    except reverend wright’s “church” or rev. al & jesse

    In 2008, ADF launched the Pulpit Initiative, which is designed to restore the right of pastors to speak freely from the pulpit on any and all issues addressed by Scripture.

    Historically, churches have emphatically, and with great passion, spoken Scriptural truth from the pulpit about government and culture. Historians have stated that America owes its independence in great degree to the moral force of the pulpit. Pastors have proclaimed Scriptural truth throughout history on great moral issues such as slavery, women’s suffrage, child labor and prostitution. Pastors have also spoken from the pulpit with great frequency for and against various candidates for government office.

    All that changed in 1954 with the passage of the “Johnson amendment” which restricted the right of churches and pastors to speak Scriptural truth about candidates for office. The Johnson amendment was proposed by then-Senator Lyndon Johnson, and it changed the Internal Revenue Code to prohibit churches and other non-profit organizations from supporting or opposing a candidate for office. After the Johnson amendment passed, churches faced a choice of either continuing their tradition of speaking out or silencing themselves in order to retain their church’s tax exemption. The Internal Revenue Service, in conjunction with radical organizations like Americans United for Separation of Church and State, have used the Johnson amendment to create an atmosphere of intimidation and fear for any church that dares to speak Scriptural truth about candidates for office or issues.

    It is time for the intimidation and threats to end. Churches and pastors have a constitutional right to speak freely and truthfully from the pulpit – even on candidates and voting – without fearing loss of their tax exemption.

    Link

  22. Darleen says:

    Kruger contended this did not mean the government could order the Catholic Church to ordain female priests, yet.

    FTFY

  23. newrouter says:

    “Americans United for the Separation of Church and State ”

    there’s a theme here. oh i know little debbies.

  24. LBascom says:

    Eh, if I was a member of that church(@#19), I would worry more about the church being political than the church losing tax exempt status.

    Obviously, Rev. Wrights congregation feels differently.

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  26. newrouter says:

    “the church losing tax exempt status. ”

    prior to the progg lbj’s amendment non profits had 1st amendment rights. why should your non profit tax status depend on not being able to criticize the gov’t? there’s 100 years of progg gov’t to unravel.

  27. newrouter says:

    “Obviously, Rev. Wrights congregation feels differently.”

    funny how auscs doesn’t ever go after the “wright churches”

  28. sdferr says:

    I would religiously avoid pitching to Albert Pujols with first base open. Put him on, in heaven, if need be.

  29. JHoward says:

    prior to the progg lbj’s amendment non profits had 1st amendment rights. why should your non profit tax status depend on not being able to criticize the gov’t? Because there’s 100 years of progg gov’t to unravel.

    FTFY, ‘router.

  30. JHoward says:

    If I knew end times stuff I’d invoke it right now.

    And I’d be right.

  31. LBascom says:

    Is lobbying for a political candidate non-profit? There’s a difference in criticizing government and promoting a political candidate, seems to me.

  32. newrouter says:

    “Is lobbying for a political candidate non-profit?”

    so you side with the progg lbj on using the gov’t shut down free speech? and tides, rockefeller, acorn are “non profit”? what a charade. how about we get rid of the current tax code?

  33. newrouter says:

    “Is lobbying for a political candidate non-profit?”

    why are your 1st amendment rights dictated by your irs filing status. seems perverse.

  34. LBascom says:

    “If I knew end times stuff I’d invoke it right now.”

    It involves horses and vials. I’m looking at a mean bitch of a mustang right now, and he don’t look to be in a pleasant mood.

    I’d say it could go either way.

  35. LBascom says:

    how about we get rid of the current tax code?”

    I’m down for that…

  36. Pablo says:

    I’d like to know how this lands at SCOTUS and what if anything the lower courts have done with it.

  37. JHoward says:

    the current tax code

    Right up there with state education on the list of affronts to the Constitution. And thus, sacred to the doctrinaire right, who apparently can’t wrap their heads around the problem with taxing the hours of a man’s life under pain of law.

    LOWER CORPORATE TAXES, PATRIOTS!

  38. serr8d says:

    Here in my lil’ hometown lives a pastor now well-acquainted with local justice.

    Freakin’ Methodists; just can’t trust ’em, can you ?

  39. newrouter says:

    “I’d like to know how this lands at SCOTUS and what if anything the lower courts have done with it.”

    there is fast and furious™ religion edition. there’s also fast and furious™ health care edition.

    baracky owns “fast and furious™” fundamental transformation.

  40. BBHunter says:

    – Speaking of current tax codes, the beast “999” has just slid ahead of Romney to become the leader in the latest WSJ/NBC poll.

    – Not sure what it says about the rest of the feild of hopefuls when a relative unknown, who’s never held office, can climb over them all so quickly, but I like it.

  41. motionview says:

    One thing it says is that if the Establishment somehow nominates Romney there will be a 3rd party challenge. Romney sets up someone, maybe Trump, for a 3rd party 20% candidacy. And just as Ross Perot, the patron saint of fiscal responsibility, elected W.J. Clinton, that split could re-elect The Won.

    The Establishment has to choose between a TEA Party candidate and Obama (nee Romney). They’ll take Obama.

  42. newrouter says:

    “The Establishment has to choose between a TEA Party candidate and Obama (nee Romney). They’ll take Obama.”

    so we need a new – speaker of the house. someone to do battle against entrenched interest. not boner.not cantor. who?

  43. McGehee says:

    It seems a singularly stupid thing for the Administration to pursue.

    The words in bold should never be used in a sentence together, if only because where this administration is concerned stupidity is not only plural, it is damn near comprehensive.

    Which, any word derived from the root “comprehend” also doesn’t belong in any sentence referencing this administration.

  44. motionview says:

    Well this Congressional Representative thinks President Obama should realize that Congress is “in rebellion” and he should “declare a national emergency” and take “extra-constitutional action”. You might be getting a a little ahead of the parade there Junior. That’s in next fall’s script.

  45. sdferr says:

    Headline: President gets win as trade deals pass

    How come he didn’t want the “win” mere days after his inauguration, since these things have been awaiting passage at least that long, and all he had to do was submit them?

  46. LTC John says:

    #39 – Hey now, them’s Free Methodists….us United Methodists are more worried about our own bishops’ efforts to make us more leftie and ghey than stealing meds… “open hearts and open minds” indeed.

    Holder, et al must be just hoping they can get 5 of the old nags in black mumus to say “sure, your pretense works!” and rule in their favor.

  47. Crawford says:

    Folks, based on what Jesse Jackass, Jr. is saying today, I don’t think it matters how the Supremes decide on this one.

  48. Damascus Mulqueeny says:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure Jackson is part of a growing set-up to declare martial law before the election.

  49. happyfeet says:

    here is a better link that one’s not working

  50. happyfeet says:

    The EEOC is scraping the bottom of the we-don’t-have-better-shit-to-do barrel I think.

  51. Spiny Norman says:

    sdferr,

    How come he didn’t want the “win” mere days after his inauguration, since these things have been awaiting passage at least that long, and all he had to do was submit them?

    Because the Pelosi wing in the House considered South Korea, Panama, and especially Colombia to be “fascist dictatorships”.

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