Thrilled that the candidate actually believes in science, Michael Moore endorses establishment GOP “top-tier candidate” Jon Huntsman.
Frankly, I’m happy that Moore, and Jimmy Carter, and Jon Stewart — not to mention the GOP establishment types (who don’t exist, because the GOP establishment doesn’t exist, and even if it did, we’d be it, so take that, you ignorant extremists who are the new establishment, which doesn’t even exist) — are so eager to dictate to us who our viable and electable candidates are.
The desperation from the ruling class and their parasitic and symbiotic attendants in the media, both left and “right,” is getting palpable. Attempts to ironize and shame us seem tired and forced. Attempts to bully us are widely noticed. And for the first time in a long time, I’m beginning to think they are actually worried about maintaining control of the political narrative, and so maintaining control over the government status quo.
— Which, as I’ve said repeatedly, cares little about party and most about itself as a separate and permanent ruling class in a minor see-saw battle for titular control.
“He believes in science” could well be a prime example of oxymoron. Science, believed in, becomes religion. Science is a methodology, not some collection of facts to be worshiped.
Piers’ comment right before I cut off that damned video was also precious: “He speaks Chinese!” As if there were some language called Chinese. Or some one language that Chinese people spoke.
They are idiots who dream they are geniuses.
Jon Stewart and Newt Gingrich, live, on-air, in a spontaneous cagematch debate until one of them concedes. Oh, and sorry Jonnie; no writers.
Yeah, let that wash over your synapses. Ah. Refreshing.
Idiots on line 2, geniuses on line 7. Both sound pissed.
Slart, I caught that “beleives” in science thing the other day, too. Since when did science become a “belief”? It tosses science into the realm of the mystic rather than the factual that one would have to have faith to be a scientist. Or, maybe I spent too much time talking with the Jesuits in college.
They saw how well their promotion of McCain worked, and they’re determined to repeat the performance. Get some RINO anointed to the top of the ticket, and the demoralized Right will stay home on election day. That’s especially important this time around, given that they really can’t afford to have us at the polls electing another wave of Governors, state legislators, and congresscritters who promise to push back against their plans for our subjugation.
It’s too late, though. Too many people understand their game, and their traditional sources of power and control are rusting away. The backlash is coming, and it isn’t going to go well for those who’d consider themselves our masters.
This is a tough row to hoe, but there is a long argument that posits science always has been a belief, and that it couldn’t possibly be otherwise, though it could possibly believe in a different set of propositions.
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Trust me — when you get to the level of quarks and neutrinos, there’s a lot of faith involved.
Meanwhile, Huntsman’s debating days may be drawing to a close.
Oh, indeed, sdferr. I’m just riffing on the left’s meme of It’s Settled Science! as if they had never heard of Karl Popper and the paradigm shift. Or maybe I give them too much credit and they really don’t know what they are talking about.
I’d buy that it’s a belief that the scientific method works, but even that doesn’t hold up. Because if you’ve executed your scientific method properly and eliminated all other possibilities than the method itself has failed, then the scientific method requires that you invalidate the scientific method.
I’ll worry about any logical inversions, there, if and when the issue arises.
But the context that Moore is using it isn’t belief in the scientific method, but rather that we should believe what authorities believe to be true. Which shouldn’t be confused with “science”.
Truly, anyone with half a regard for the scientific method who was being required to adopt the viewpoints of e.g. some particularly vituperative computer science guys posing as climatological experts just because of Teh Consensus would be best off telling Teh Consensus-mongers to take said Consensus, fold it until it’s all corners, and insert it rectally. Up to the elbow.
Exactly. At the point where facts are replaced by authority, it becomes doctrine.
Doctrine is inherently political — its use by churches is to enhance and enforce their authority — and is about swaying loyalty rather than intellect.
Yeah, Slart, my comment had nothing to do with Moore directly, but speaks to a different issue altogether (and I hadn’t Popper in mind, by the way, but to questions raised by Nietzsche).
Yes, I got that. I’m not so much arguing with you as I am arguing with that way of thinking. Sure, science is just a way of organizing the world. Come up (not addressing you, here) with another one that organizes in as consistently verifiable a way, and we can talk about it.
Sure:
1) Create doctrine
2) Use doctrine to discriminate us from them
3) Use doctrine as a prybar to shame them into becoming us
Reductios don’t work like that Slart, yet still seem to take a firm grip on us.
I love the comments at that link, Pablo. A bunch of self-professed “reasonable” Republicans complaining that he’s the only guy they could possibly vote for, since the rest are all wild-eyed Tea Party crazies.
Never mind that these “sane and moderate” Republicans have commenter IDs that show them living in Madison, Boston, or NYC. I’m sure there are tons and tons of committed Republicans who live in Madison and subscribe to the NYT. They must be the ones that Althouse is always filming.
Huntsman is who the Democrats would love to run in a primary against Obama.
They can’t, of course, because that would be racist.
Yeah, Squid, and I note that it’s exactly the same point over and over and over. But if Huntsman’s support is so universal, why can’t the pollsters find it?
That is the world’s smallest juggernaut.
Can’t stop what you can’t see, Mikey.
the universal huntsman support is good for holding up mbm narratives
I’ll be real careful where I step, Darth. Wouldn’t want to squash someone’s juggernaut all over the carpet.
Devil of a time getting juggernaut stains out.
That reminds me; jalapeno poppers.
Now I’m still hungry all over again.
I had a hell of a time last night — I wanted some milk and couldnt find a clean glass, and I had to decide if I wanted drink out of the juggernaut.
/Foxworthy’s Redneck Dictionary
White wine, there’s no stain it can’t get out, and it tastes better than OxyClean.
And when you’re not battling tough laundry problems you can drink it straight from the juggernaut.
But I prefer one of those newfangled 25 oz stems. It’s amazing how good even cheap wine tastes when you can get your whole head in the glass.
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*A bunch of self-professed “reasonable” Republicans complaining that he’s the only guy they could possibly vote for, since the rest are all wild-eyed Tea Party crazies.*
One of my liberal co-workers is constantly telling me Huntsman is the only reasonable one of the bunch and the only one he’d “consider” voting for. When pressed, he tells me he would never actually vote for a republican but if he was going to, it would be Huntsman. He didn’t seem to understand why I didn’t find his endorsement carrying much weight for me.