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"Obama faces worst-case 2012 scenario"

Surprisingly, that “worst-case 2012 scenario” doesn’t refer to gangs of Jesus-crazed redneck TEA Party zombies roaming the countryside, eating the barbecued brains of kindhearted progressives whose only crime was trying to dole out social justice. James Pethokoukis:

When American presidents win reelection, they usually win by a heftier margin than the first time around. Narrower victories are rare, just three or four depending if you’re looking at the electoral or popular vote. When voters break against an incumbent, it’s usually fatal for the guy in the Oval Office. And right now, things are breaking bad for Obama. Really bad. Gallup has been pegging his approval rating right around 40 percent, even sometimes dipping to 39 percent. Regarding the economy in particular, Obama registers just 26 percent approval, his lowest rating ever and way down from a high of 59 percent in February 2009.

And it may be about to get a whole lot worse for the Obama 2012 campaign. The White House’s worst-case scenario for the economy on Election Day next year has become Wall Street’s baseline scenario. After looking at a string of weak economic reports and Europe’s growing fear of debt meltdown and contagion, JPMorgan – led by Obama pal Jamie Dimon – has just come out with a politically poisonous forecast.

The megabank now thinks the economy won’t grow much faster over the next 12 months than it did during the first half of this year — and that’s assuming Europe doesn’t go all pear shaped. It sees GDP growth at just 1.5 percent this year, 1.3 percent next year with unemployment at … 9.5 percent heading into the final days of the election season. “The risks of recession are clearly elevated,” the bank said.

[…]

[…] perhaps Obama’s plan for “winning the future” will imbue the gloomy American public with a bit more hope that whatever Republicans offer. Perhaps. But if Obama wins four more years with this economy, it will be almost as historic as his win in 2008.

First off, we never got out of the recession. In fact, we’re practically in a depression.

That it’s not going to get better once Obama gets back from vacation and pushes for a new stimulus — knowing it won’t happen, but in order to paint the Republicans as “obstructionists” leading in to the 2012 election — is a foregone conclusion.

What is unclear is how willing the mainstream press will be to double down on its unprecedented shielding of Obama going in to 2012. The press really does believe itself capable of adding 15% to a given candidate’s (read: leftwing candidate’s) totals, by propping that candidate up while tearing down his “right wing” opponent; this is how we wind up with endemic leftwing government despite living in a consistently conservative-leaning country. But given the extent of Obama’s demonstrable failures — and his move to go purely political, having run out of workable policy ideas — will the press back him this next time around like it did in 2008?

My gut says yes, of course they will. But I don’t think their heart will be quite in it — and expect that to come across to the voting public.

If that’s the case, Obama is as good as done. Let’s hope. And thank God.

198 Replies to “"Obama faces worst-case 2012 scenario"”

  1. sdferr says:

    DeFazio

    He’s also not convinced the President will do well in Oregon.

    Even his boosters can realize their own credibility is on the line. Some will choose to toss credibility away, others not.

  2. happyfeet says:

    National Soros Radio is very eager for you to know that Obama isn’t really on vacation so shut up

  3. sdferr says:

    All those unemployed people, on the other hand, are.

  4. Abe Froman says:

    Whatever happened to funemployment? Don’t hear about that so much anymore.

  5. LBascom says:

    Surprisingly, that “worst-case 2012 scenario” doesn’t refer to gangs of Jesus-crazed redneck TEA Party zombies roaming the countryside, eating the barbecued brains of kindhearted progressives whose only crime was trying to dole out social justice

    TEA Party people; can’t work with’em, can’t kill’em.

    Well, unless maybe they refuse to belong to a union.

  6. newrouter says:

    snow hoochie’s 1st campaign ad?

    Link

  7. cranky-d says:

    I don’t care too much about presidential vacations, because in reality they are never on vacation. They are always on the job. I doubt Obama does any less work on vacation than he does when he’s at the White House (see what I did there?).

    What I do care about is how Bush got beat up for all his vacations (which were all working vacations) and Teh Won gets nothing.

  8. cranky-d says:

    Yes, pointing out the double standards is easy, but I still think it needs to be done.

  9. serr8d says:

    Heh. Good linky, nr.

    ‘feets, you should check out that HillBuzz group. I’ll bet you’d pick up a thing or two.

  10. geoffb says:

    VDH concludes:

    The once-divine Obama will do more to discredit the Left than any other progressive in modern history — as its greatest dream becomes its worst nightmare.

    Then there is the Alter-net vision.

  11. happyfeet says:

    Sarah needs to run Mr. serr8d so America can support her and put her in the office of the presidency for to do the going rogue with her super best friend orrin hatch

  12. Abe Froman says:

    snow hoochie’s 1st campaign ad?

    For head cheerleader or state fair queen? I don’t even know if the latter actually exists. But seriously, I suppose it has to be a campaign commercial as it doesn’t any make sense to put two minutes of focus grouped fluff together like that for any other reason.

  13. newrouter says:

    i think head cheerleader for team america

  14. Abe Froman says:

    any make sense? I multitask good.

  15. serr8d says:

    Recognize Sarah Palin as ‘our’ Community Organizer, Abe, but ours doesn’t ass-rape the Republic.

  16. happyfeet says:

    this video will make people who may be supporting someone else take a fresh look at Sarah Palin and say hey forget candidate X this is who should be president right here

  17. LBascom says:

    “For head cheerleader or state fair queen? I don’t even know if the latter actually exists. But seriously, I suppose it has to be a campaign commercial as it doesn’t any make sense to put two minutes of focus grouped fluff together like that for any other reason.”

    Head cheerleader for now I’d say.

    Why she can’t just post her videos on You Tube like everyone else in the country does, well, I just don’t know.

  18. newrouter says:

    “Why she can’t just post her videos on You Tube”

    Iowa Passion

  19. LBascom says:

    @17, for a marketing guy, you sure sound bitter…

  20. Abe Froman says:

    Well that video is clearly meant for youtube. Even in Hicklandia there’s no such thing as 2:19 commercial time blocks.

  21. serr8d says:

    Is discrimination against individuals who express their homosexuality a ‘real’ civil rights violation? Or, words and stripping the meaning thereof, version eleventy-seventy-seven.

  22. happyfeet says:

    you could loop it on HSN late night I bet

  23. LBascom says:

    er, I think you may have missed my point newrouter…

  24. newrouter says:

    i was just checking. it could have been on vimeo.

  25. LBascom says:

    “you could loop it on HSN late night I bet”

    Or, conversely, she could shut up and cede the field to much better human beings than herself.

    What’s to stop her from telling it to a simmering pot in front of a stove, where she so very obviously belongs?

  26. happyfeet says:

    this is why she needs to run Mr. lee for so she can live her olympic dream

  27. newrouter says:

    the delightfully clueless jen the rube opines

    The rationale for Palin’s own campaign would be tough to articulate. Perry has a more experience. Bachmann is fresher and unburdened by obsession with the “lamestream media.” Santorum is a social conservative favorite with national experience. What is Palin’s unique asset? It’s far from clear. And why risk the Palin brand for, say, a third- or fourth-place finish in Iowa?

    Link

  28. happyfeet says:

    Santorum is an irrelevant 80s tard with a google problem

  29. newrouter says:

    fat man rumors

    So, a denial, except for the confirmation that a call had taken place, but not about Christie entering the race.

    I’m starting to wonder with all of these rumors, though.

    Mark Levin, based on just his gut, says that Palin will enter the race, too.

    It’s more possible now than I thought before. With Obama looking very beatable, candidates previously thought unelectable become less so.

    We could have Giuliani enter on a lark, and Paul Ryan too. John McCormack games out a Ryan pathway to the nomination at, where else?, the Weekly Standard.

    Could wind up being an even more crowded field.

    Link

  30. bastiches says:

    First off, we never got out of the recession. In fact, we’re practically in a depression.

    /pedant
    Technically, the 2008 recession ended in Q3 2009 and then went on to post gains for the next 5 qts. Q1 2011 then dropped to a 0.4 increase. Q2 2011 is sitting at 1.3 and will probably be revised down.

    This one has Obama written all over it. He owns it. DNC cockerspaniel Whatsher-Schultz admitted it.

    Why does it matter? The Dem-Dem’s are still blaming Bush for the first one. If you’re going to clear out rhetorical space to allow them to continue the lie, Obaka will run with it. Arab springs, wasabis, and BOOOOOOOSH!

    /pedant

  31. LBascom says:

    I predicted months ago Palin wouldn’t run in 2012, and I’ll still be very surprised if she does. I think she’s got a hard on for the MSM, and she see’s her duty as marginalizing and discrediting them, and at the same time act as “head cheerleader” for the conservative cause.

    Also, while I consider her an amazingly courageous lady, I think deep down she doesn’t want to expose her family to the mindless hate of the proggs a second time. Mitch Danial felt the same, and Palin already lived it once. I can’t really blame either. It’s not like they’re draft dodgers.

  32. serr8d says:

    I don’t think she’d finish 3rd or 4th in Iowa, no matter what Rubin (or anyone else) thinks or wishes. I could be wrong. But Sarah Palin is a natural-born winner I’m thinking.

  33. serr8d says:

    fat man rumors

    I see your ‘fat man’; I’ll raise you 10 stone.

  34. mojo says:

    If Obama wins a second term, it will be prima facie evidence of a rigged election.

  35. serr8d says:

    If Obama wins a second term, his ‘nice guy pretense’ gloves come off. He will do his damndest to finish his Cloward-Piven project before the due date.

  36. eCurmudgeon says:

    If Obama wins a second term, it will be prima facie evidence of a rigged election.

    More like providing the final proof of the old adage that the only thing we learn from history is that no one learns from history.

    A year is an eternity in election cycles; anything could happen in the meantime, and probably will.

  37. happyfeet says:

    I don’t think she’d finish 3rd or 4th in Iowa

    Sarah will do best in states where the Rs let Democrat people vote in their primaries I think

  38. bh says:

    If Obama wins a second term, I think one of those flying pigs would make for a fun pet.

  39. LBascom says:

    “He will do his damndest to finish his Cloward-Piven project before the due date.”

    I’m pretty sure Cloward-Piven is already fully accomplished.

    Do you think at this point anyone will be able to beat back the 51% of those getting a check(I use the statist perspective that any money I don’t give the government is a government expenditure), or even dent the massive bureaucracies that have to be destroyed before the tax code can be revamped and entitlements brought under control?

    I don’t.

    Everyone uses the word “unsustainable”, but even the weak tea that was the Ryan plan couldn’t see the light of day. Unsustainable will continue til it is sustained no more, whenever that is.

  40. Squid says:

    Surprisingly, that “worst-case 2012 scenario” doesn’t refer to gangs of Jesus-crazed redneck TEA Party zombies roaming the countryside, eating the barbecued brains of kindhearted progressives whose only crime was trying to dole out social justice.

    I would pay money to see this movie. And not just Netflix or Sunday matinee money — I mean real money. Like Friday-night-with-the-missus money.

    Hell, I’d even spring for an eight-dollar popcorn to go with that kind of movie.

  41. Squid says:

    Do you think at this point anyone will be able to beat back the 51% of those getting a check, or even dent the massive bureaucracies that have to be destroyed before the tax code can be revamped and entitlements brought under control?

    It’s a long hard slog, but worth fighting for. Another hundred Congresscritters and a friendly President would go a long way toward making it possible.

    The alternative is, well, we all know. But I ain’t gonna talk about it when beer-thirty is upon us.

  42. newrouter says:

    It’s what we want — and it is politically detrimental to Obama to refuse to do the public will.

    It should be asked for every goddamned week. Every goddamned major legislation should have an ObamaCare repeal in its first paragraph.

    Same thing with ANWR. We need the oil. We are paying billions to people who hate us because we have a hardcore contingent of luddite know-nothings who do not understand there is a direct relationship between the lights in their homes and the oil we pump up from the earth.

    There is simply no reason to pre-concede these things. We are doing the Democrats a favor by pre-emptively taking these political wants off the table, without even troubling them to say “No” to our requests.

    Why?

    Here’s a Question: Is there any one-sentence legislation that can do the following?:

    1. Reduce the uncertainty and fear factor among businesses, and hence stimulate the economy

    2. Save a trillion in spending

    3. Add a half-trillion to Medicare without costing the taxpayers a dime

    I know one. Repealing ObamaCare.

    Link

  43. LBascom says:

    “It’s a long hard slog, but worth fighting for”

    I’m the tails side of the Palin cheer leading coin. We both think it’s worth fighting for, but while she thinks it can be won with a long hard slog through the media, institutions, and culture(as we all hope it can be), I’m saying good luck with that; but be ready with fortitude and blood. The battlefield is not to our advantage, and the adversary huge, committed, and merciless.

    The USA was born of bloody revolution, let it not die a whimpering slave.

  44. sdferr says:

    Is Palin Zarathustra‘s Übermensch? Neat-o.

  45. McGehee says:

    Do you think at this point anyone will be able to beat back the 51% of those getting a check, or even dent the massive bureaucracies that have to be destroyed before the tax code can be revamped and entitlements brought under control?

    What can’t go on forever, won’t.

    But I think a civil war less likely than a coup. We could have a civil war in the 1860s when the country was relatively uncrowded and decentralized, but in this day and age the centers of power are where the bloodletting will take place.

    If I were Obama I’d be leery of getting too far away from Washington, even for a vacation.

  46. LBascom says:

    By the way, I got this handy dandy political test in an email the other day, and while I’m sure most of you have already seen it, being the sophisticated bunch you are, I thought I’d throw it out there for fun.

    World’s Smallest Political Quiz

    The Original Internet Political Quiz. Take the Quiz now and find out where you fit on the political map!

    I scored 70% and 70%, making me a dead center libertarian two squares up from centrist.

  47. LBascom says:

    Of course the “maybe” choice could be better described as “conditionally”, but whatever, it’s cool…

  48. LBascom says:

    “But I think a civil war less likely than a coup. “

    Banana republic style? Heh, you’re probably right.

    Going to be a lot of civil unrest before that happens though. The London looting is going to be small potatoes compared to what happens if and when (meaningful)entitlement reform happens here. At that point the police state takes control, or the union divides. Whether that means a 1860’s style civil war or not remains to be seen.

  49. bh says:

    80%, 100% for me. Which put me at rightist libertarian.

    Said no to the consenting adults sexing each other because of my aversion to the scary people in Deliverance and the possibility of Michael Moore procreating with that Janeane Garofalo thing.

  50. happyfeet says:

    I’m 100/90 what do I win?

  51. geoffb says:

    Damn, I’m 100/90 also.

    But I’m still linking this piece.

    5 Lessons Governor Sarah Palin learned from Hillary Clinton’s failed 2008 presidential campaign

  52. John Bradley says:

    100/100 – which puts me into “Ron Paul supporter” territory, apparently.

    Libertarian? That’s funny, I don’t feel libertarian!

  53. LBascom says:

    “I’m 100/90 what do I win?”

    Your cousin in matrimony. Peter or Virginia, your pick…

  54. Spiny Norman says:

    80/90, but I already considered myself a “small l” libertarian.

  55. Spiny Norman says:

    BTW, I think Sarah Palin would make a much better “kingmaker” than a candidate.

  56. LBascom says:

    Mr. Bradley, I don’t think you took the test seriously. For example, there was a question about” End government barriers to international free trade”. If you answered an unconditional yes to that question(as in, regardless what international trading partners do), you aren’t taking it seriously.

    I think the four corners represent blind allegiance rather than a reasoned position.

  57. LBascom says:

    “I already considered myself a “small l” libertarian.”

    I thought I would be at the top of “right”, but I think Jeff has had his way with me, changed me somehow…

  58. bh says:

    If you answered an unconditional yes to that question

    It’s hard to figure out these sorts of questions. I can think of extenuating scenarios for all of them. If I took it seriously I probably would have went with maybe on all of them and then attach a tl;dr essay next to each one.

    If someone did that, btw, they’d have scored 50% and 50%. Dead center centrist.

  59. newrouter says:

    ms chubby of nro is clutching her mittens

    Doggonit, Sarah Palin May Very Well be Jumping In
    August 19, 2011 7:26 P.M.
    By Kathryn Jean Lopez

    Link

  60. LBascom says:

    “If I took it seriously I probably would have went with maybe on all of them and then attach a tl;dr essay next to each one.”

    Really, you have amendments to “Government should not censor speech, press, media, or internet.”?

  61. bh says:

    Child porn just for starters.

  62. sdferr says:

    Really, you have amendments to “Government should not censor speech, press, media, or internet.”?

    Could be. Suppose a James Risen or Eric Lichtblau sort get’s hold of the plan to off Bin Laden? Do we let him publish it on the frontpage of the NYTimes? Or do we kill him first?

  63. bh says:

    I took it more as a do-you-generally-agree-with-the-principle-this-question-evokes.

    For me, it was really only the consenting adults one that was hard on general principle. Banging your sister harms an innocent third party, the freakishly-talented banjo-playing baby.

  64. sdferr says:

    Jeffery Sachs (yes, a douche-bag) pipes up with Peter DeFazio, becoming another leftist twit unwilling to sacrifice his own dwindling credibility on the altar of ObamaLove.

  65. bh says:

    For me, it was really only the consenting adults one that was hard on general principle.

    After saying that, I think I’m wrong. I mainly said that because I wanted to make a joke about scary inbreds.

    You could probably find a general principle problem for most if not all of them.

  66. serr8d says:

    but in this day and age the centers of power are where the bloodletting will take place

    Population centers, I’m thinking. Look out NYC, LA, Chicago, and on down the list.

  67. serr8d says:

    I scored on the foul line at the corner square, Conservative – Libertarian. Lots of ‘maybes’ because there’s lots of play in that quiz.

  68. LBascom says:

    Those aren’t “censored” speech. In the first case(child porn) it is an illegal act (like saying it’s censorship to catch a murderer when he posts the murder on You Tube), and in the second(revealing classified documents), we’re not talking about free speech. Classified military secrets have never been covered under the 1st amendment.

  69. serr8d says:

    Classified military secrets have never been covered under the 1st amendment.

    No they haven’t LBascom, but should ‘classified’ exempt some secrets if an illegal activity is taking place? Just because the government does a thing, doesn’t make it legal. Nixon’s tapes were classified. I’m glad they got out.

    Of course, and the bin Laden example was necessary, and legal, mostly. Legal or no, bottom line was, just get him.

  70. LBascom says:

    “should ‘classified’ exempt some secrets if an illegal activity is taking place? “,/i>

    Humm, I would say “classified” exempts all secret;, if there is illegal activity taking place, it needs be revealed without revealing the “classified” part.

  71. LBascom says:

    Rogue comma key!!!

  72. bh says:

    Okay, the child porn crime took place in another country. The person in this country wants to spread images of it on the internet. I’d still censor it.

    People sell photos of crime scenes all the time and there is nothing illegal about it even though the underlying event was caused by someone else. In fact, it’s entirely entirely ethical to sell a photo of a murder scene or be hired by a newspaper to do this even though you’re selling images of a crime.

  73. bh says:

    Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater is the obvious one but it’s almost too much of a cliche to mention.

    Let’s say you’re in London and you’re suggesting that people go to such and such place to burn businesses down. You don’t participate in the resulting mayhem.

    Would it be okay for the cops to stop you from doing this?

    I’d say yes.

  74. sdferr says:

    Is the question “What is the act of censorship?” It could be I guess, but seems more or less to have merely moved the point of attack from the act of laying down the law making a speech or publication act illegal, as an act of censorship in itself.

  75. bh says:

    People sell photos of crime scenes all the time and there is nothing illegal about it even though the underlying event was caused by someone else.

    Meant to say, “because” the underlying event was caused by someone else, not “even though”.

    All I’m getting at here is that you can divorce the crime from the person spreading the picture of the crime. At a murder scene this is okay with everyone. With child porn, it’s not. Which means we’re not talking about the underlying crime. We’re censoring an image because it rightfully offends our sensibilities.

  76. newrouter says:

    “Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater is the obvious one ”

    if there’s a fire in the theater you can yell fire

  77. happyfeet says:

    but who would believe you anymore?

  78. LBascom says:

    Heh newrouter…

    Ok, it’s a meaningless test for entertainment purposes only.

    Whatever. it’s cool.

  79. happyfeet says:

    National Soros Radio is now saying that criticism of global warming is a white trash christer position

    On Wednesday, Perry arrived in New Hampshire, the country’s first primary state, where he spoke at Politics and Eggs, a bipartisan meeting of business leaders.

    He planted a religious, social conservative flag by saying, “There are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data” on global warming. Earth’s climate may be changing, he said, but it has been changing since the planet was formed.

    that is so completely fucked up I don’t even know what to say

  80. sdferr says:

    Best of all, it’s completely fucked up under the umbrella of a corporation the taxpayers fund! Yay for free money!

  81. newrouter says:

    free speech is ok as long as a lie doesn’t injure people? i’m confuzzled.

  82. LBascom says:

    “Whatever. it’s cool.”

    Actually, I identify with Red in “that 70’s show” way more than Hyde, but still, Zen is Zen…

  83. guinsPen says:

    What if your the only person in the theatre?

    Young elfington at the Zardoz screening, for instance.

  84. guinsPen says:

    you’re
    mama

  85. LBascom says:

    oooo, the Html tag Gods hate me now…

  86. bh says:

    Ok, it’s a meaningless test for entertainment purposes only.

    Whatever. it’s cool.

    Heh, I occasionally chase my tail for fun, Lee. Or argue over who would win in a fight between Tyson and Ali. Helps to pass the time, I suppose.

  87. bh says:

    What if your the only person in the theatre?

    Young elfington at the Zardoz screening, for instance.

    That’s possibly the best elfie joke yet.

  88. LBascom says:

    “He planted a religious, social conservative flag by saying, “There are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data” on global warming. Earth’s climate may be changing, he said, but it has been changing since the planet was formed.”

    Religious social conservative? How about “the truth”?

    Oh yeah. Truth is what social justice says it is.

    My bad.

  89. happyfeet says:

    I can’t get my head around that

  90. LBascom says:

    bh, Ali of course! What’s to talk about?

    “That’s possibly the best elfie joke yet.”

    Well, second party joke at least…

  91. bh says:

    I see it the same. Foreman in his prime was something of a Tyson so I figure it would have went a bit like that. Maybe with more excitement in the first couple rounds.

  92. bh says:

    It’s more fun if someone disagrees. Strongly.

    Anyone?

  93. sdferr says:

    It’s tough to take Tyson. Cus D’Amato for instance, was Floyd Patterson’s trainer. And Floyd, while a terrific boxer, was annihilated by Ali.

  94. buzz4t says:

    100/60, which puts me on the left side in the libertarian column. Which is weird since I am a founding member of the VRWC and a card carrying Right Wing Death Beast. Hey, what can you do?

  95. buzz4t says:

    Ali of course. The real question is who let the frozen chicken in the ring.

  96. bh says:

    3-0 Ali then.

    My little brother thinks that Tyson could beat up Ali and Batman.

    He’s crazily fun to argue with. He’ll say that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is the best ever and will actually get pissed off and say all sorts of wacky things if you are in the grilled cheese camp. Eat your grilled cheese with ketchup? This is cheating. Renders the comparison unfair. He’s very vehement about these sorts of things.

  97. bh says:

    4-0 Ali. Tyson is getting spanked here.

  98. LBascom says:

    A real grilled cheese sandwich, ie two pieces of bread(fried with real butter), with jelly on top? Unbeatable.

  99. sdferr says:

    Looking at old video of Ali-Patterson, I ran into a neat youtube series of Human Anatomy dissection instruction videos. Whadda world.

    Oh, the guys in the Human Anatomy videos? They vote Ali.

  100. JD says:

    Tyson in his prime. 4-1.

  101. bh says:

    A real grilled cheese sandwich, ie two pieces of bread(fried with real butter), with jelly on top? Unbeatable.

    Jelly on top? That’s cheating! If I put fudge on top of a peanut butter and jelly it wouldn’t be a PB and J anymore, it would be a PB and J and F! Totally different. Cheater!

    (He would say something exactly like this. Earnestly. Like he’s offended by this wild rule breaking in the sandwich argument.)

  102. pdbuttons says:

    just took the test
    i’m -on that measuring board..
    colonel mustard in the study with
    drool on my chin
    but momma always said i was ‘special’

  103. JD says:

    What about bacon?!?!

  104. LBascom says:

    “I can’t get my head around that”

    What, you think scientists haven’t cooked the books for global warming(if you’ll forgive me) and the planets temperature has been a steady constant?

    Maybe ya gotta be a religious, social conservative to see it, I don’t know…

  105. bh says:

    Okay, could Tyson beat Batman, JD? I’ve heard that Batman leaves his chin sticking out. (I have actually heard that.)

  106. sdferr says:

    Bacon? Like Francis? Or Roger? In any event, Ali would have nothing to do with them on the grounds that they offend his religion deeply.

    So, the victory goes to Bacon(z) by default.

    Baconz 1, Ali O

  107. JD says:

    Batman does not have the necessary killer instinct.

  108. bh says:

    Tyson 2, Batman 0. ‘Cause I do agree with that. Batman is too reliant on all his gadgets. Tyson just punches fools.

  109. JD says:

    Tyson possessed a savagery the likes of which did not exist before or after him.

  110. JD says:

    Thick cut homemade bacon cooked inside the aforementioned grilled cheese is sublime.

  111. LBascom says:

    Batman has Robin. Robin could distract Tyson by biting him around the ankles while Batman whips out shark repellent from his utility belt and incapacitates Tyson. Tyson would be an impotent mass on the floor, aimlessly biting at ears in the air, while Batman and Robin shook Ali’s hand on the way out to the Bat mobile.

    Jeez, I don’t even know why people wonder about this shit.

  112. pdbuttons says:

    bacon bits rule the midget wrestling world

  113. newrouter says:

    this talk of bacon is islamphobic

  114. LBascom says:

    “Jelly on top? That’s cheating! If I put fudge on top of a peanut butter and jelly it wouldn’t be a PB and J anymore, it would be a PB and J and F! Totally different. Cheater!”

    That’s just getting silly. Condiments don’t change the sandwich, they just enhance it.

    If a Nutella and jelly on toast were introduced as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you’d have to be pretty insecure with your grilled cheese and bacon entry to object.

  115. sdferr says:

    this talk of bacon is islamphobic

    No it ain’t, it’s philoporcinic is all.

  116. pdbuttons says:

    quote- “i never have six degrees of separation from my bacon
    it’s always in my freezer”
    so said the kevin… of bacon

  117. LBascom says:

    “it’s philoporcinic is all.”

    Is that even a word!?

    (if so, good one)

  118. newrouter says:

    @117 philoporcinic

  119. bh says:

    If a Nutella and jelly on toast were introduced as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you’d have to be pretty insecure with your grilled cheese and bacon entry to object.

    He would maintain that those are specialty sandwiches that need to compete in their own division.

    Likewise, bananas and peanut butter is a celebrity sandwich and couldn’t compete against a normal sandwich.

    Bacon couldn’t compete with or against a grilled cheese or a PB and J either way. Because that’s a meat or expensive sandwich.

    There’s a decent chance he has all these rules written down somewhere. I should ask him.

    You know that white gravy with sausage in it that you put on biscuits and such? According to my little brother, that’s not a gravy. It’s a “meat included” sauce. It can only compete against other meat sauces. Could never go head to head against turkey gravy, for instance. That would be crazy talk, like comparing a vegetable with a mineral. It would have to compete against a tomato sauce with Italian sausage or something like that.

  120. guinsPen says:

    Color me philoporcynical.

  121. bh says:

    You can drink a twelve pack with him and never get past whether Rolly Fingers was predominantly a Brewers’ pitcher or an awesome mustache pitcher. This subtle distinction changes his overall ratings greatly.

  122. sdferr says:

    He sounds like he was one of those kids who couldn’t abide his peas touching his mashed potatoes on the plate, nor ever ever ever let the meat juice flow toward the cobbed corn.

  123. pdbuttons says:

    philo bacon
    birth-1758- killingly-windham county
    connecticut USA
    death-jul. 12-1825
    east whately
    franklin county
    mass. USA
    revolutionary war veteran
    parents- benjamin bacon & rebecca carpenter
    wife-lucinda smith

  124. BT says:

    Ali fought Tyson except Tyson called himself Sonny Liston back then.

  125. sdferr says:

    pig-dog lover eh?!

  126. bh says:

    He was that way, sdferr. Still sorta is.

    I’m still not convinced that he isn’t predominantly super, super, super good at keeping a straight face with me though. He once told me that Don Hutson didn’t count as a receiver — let alone one of the best — because he played before real quarterbacks. Never cracked a smile.

  127. sdferr says:

    philoporcinic is a mashup of gr. and lat., so kinda cheating, of the sort bh’s bro wouldn’t tolerate. philosueiostic might be a purer greekish rendering, but nobody would grok sueios right away, hence the cheat.

  128. sdferr says:

    And amo[r]porcinic is just wrong.

  129. bh says:

    Cheater!

  130. newrouter says:

    you own philoporcinic

  131. newrouter says:

    philoporcinic

    Did you mean:

    philip orcic

    philip orsino

    phillip orcic

    philip osanic

    No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

    Your search – philoporcinic – did not match any documents.

    Suggestions:

  132. LBascom says:

    Thanks sdferr, I get it.

    “He would maintain that those are specialty sandwiches that need to compete in their own division.”

    I thought we were talking about the best sandwich category. I’ll have to dig up the official rules, apply for title 9 funding, diversify the staff, and get back to you.

  133. bh says:

    I like it. A new coinage.

    Huzzah! Sound the trumpets.

  134. bh says:

    I thought we were talking about the best sandwich category.

    Heh, that’s the sorta thing I say to him.

    This leads to category questions involving open face sandwiches, tacos, gyros and lettuce wraps. What’s a sandwich? Can anyone really say?

    When you’re drinking and joking around he’ll crack you up. Used to bug the hell out of my sisters though. They’d argue with him for days.

  135. bh says:

    I have a story that needs telling.

    One day everyone woke up and the dog was gone. The girls kept saying, “He’s run away, he’s run away!”

    And my little brother says, “I think he’s probably just lost. I doubt he ran away.”

    Next day and a half we couldn’t find the dog and they’d ask, “Where do you think he ran off to? Where would he go?” My little brother would say, “If he was only a block away he wouldn’t even know it. He can’t read street signs.” He was maybe 9 or 10 at the time.

    They wanted to murder him. I thought he was the funniest little kid ever.

  136. happyfeet says:

    so what happened to the dog?

  137. bh says:

    #4, B. Orr.

  138. LBascom says:

    “Used to bug the hell out of my sisters though. They’d argue with him for days.”

    Days, or consecutive days?

  139. happyfeet says:

    that story lacks closure

  140. bh says:

    Oh, he was about two blocks east across the road in the woods surrounding the railroad tracks.

    Lost, I guess.

  141. Pellegri says:

    So anyway.

    Endured the last twenty minutes of dinner tonight being “thank you TEA party for ruining everyone’s economy” and “no one gives Obama any credit for what he’s done”.

    not enough walls in the world for me to punch

  142. bh says:

    Days, or consecutive days?

    Heh. Yes, exactly.

  143. bh says:

    Oh, and he was alive.

    I didn’t trick you into a funny brother story so I could give you the dead dog twist at the end. He lived for many more years and seemed pretty happy when I came back and visited.

  144. happyfeet says:

    I give Obama a lot of credit for what he’s done

  145. happyfeet says:

    I love dogs very much but they always die Mr. bh

    always

  146. sdferr says:

    And sometimes they’ll wait for just the meantest time to die, like take Odysseus’s dog. Waits 20 years for him to come home only to fall over dead soon as he arrives. Fucking dogs.

  147. happyfeet says:

    my dog pook was a good dog he loved me more than beans then he started having trouble moving around and you’d have to help him up cause of him was a big wupper and he got the arthritis so mom put him down she said she was afraid he’d fall in the pool and she wouldn’t be able to help

    plus she wanted to travel

  148. happyfeet says:

    that’s the way of it Mr sdferr dogs are poignant

  149. mr. tyson says:

    I just picked up six ears down at the gym.

    Anyone have any good rethipies?

  150. bh says:

    That they do, ‘feets. I’m over three full dog cycles old myself.

    First one I think I must have been a psychopath because I didn’t even care. Well, I did. For maybe a day and then I played an exciting game of tag and had some ice cream and then that dog was just gone like something small you didn’t care about in the rear view and an Atari console loomed way more bigger on my birthday.

    Last dog died and I thought about how everyone dies and other people I loved had died and how I was gonna die and how I was never nice enough to any of them and how disappointed ghosts could be if they weren’t just empty parts of a vacuum and that I’ll be an empty part of a vacuum too so maybe I should have another drink.

    It was probably healthier to say, “Fuck that old dead dog, let’s play Yars’ Revenge!”

  151. happyfeet says:

    that’s awful

    hah I forgot about Yars’ Revenge

  152. pdbuttons says:

    debbie downer! [frowny face]
    the love of pets is unconditional!
    i wish people were so cool
    i’d let them out in the morning and pretend to exercise
    with them and follow them with a plastic bag
    when i do that with humans they call the po-po
    you obviously have never had a blue cat
    who gave u blue cat love

  153. Pablo says:

    Tartar, Mike. Just pound ’em out, then a little salt, pepper and lemon. Maybe some hot sauce if that’s how you roll.

  154. Pablo says:

    Shit, that’s my carpaccio recipe! I blame the Demon Rum.

  155. happyfeet says:

    my other wupper was named lacuna sue got the heartworms even though she was on a preventative

  156. happyfeet says:

    my wurtles might could easily out live me though they live from 50-70 years

    a turtle is something in this world you can count on

  157. pdbuttons says:

    so blue the cat was …”missing”
    and he was hacking alot
    and we was watching tv for a coupla days and we started to say-” anyone seen blue?”
    and then we noticed- much to our chagrin
    that blue had crawled under the tv ands died
    so we dragged him out and he had cat rigor-mortis or sumtin and he was all..weird looking
    so we had a meeting..a family meeting and we drank alot of booze and soon blue was forgotten
    we all woke up hungover and tried to stick him in a shoe box but cat rigor-mortis would’nt..work..
    so we had a drink and someone- [not me!]
    did something to the cat to make him fit
    i miss that cat!

  158. happyfeet says:

    I’m glad tvs changed to where cats can’t crawl under them and die anymore

  159. happyfeet says:

    here is the song about the kitty

  160. newrouter says:

    i need a road trip. i think 9/3/11 to iowa might be fun

  161. newrouter says:

    sarahpalooza

  162. happyfeet says:

    or you could stay home and make crinkle cut fries

  163. newrouter says:

    i think blogging my travels might be fun. my ? is: would this be interesting to the commentariant of pw?

  164. i need a road trip. i think 9/3/11 to iowa might be fun

    oh, I’m going to Eureka Springs then.

  165. happyfeet says:

    i would refresh until my fingers bled

  166. newrouter says:

    i could stay home but it is a straight shot on I 70 or so and with my recent death in the family I need to explore what is left of america.

  167. pdbuttons says:

    yes newsrouter i would be interested

  168. happyfeet says:

    Eureka Springs is known for its quirks, old town charm and the occasional haunting. But, it’s what lies beneath that’s raising eyebrows and causing serious concerns.

  169. newrouter says:

    “i would refresh until my fingers bled”

    so you don’t want to hear any effin’ DIVERSITY

  170. happyfeet says:

    Mr. newrouter road trips are the best thing ever I think and road trips to Iowas are among the better ones try to get to Spillville for to see the clocks

  171. happyfeet says:

    here’s some pictures

  172. pdbuttons says:

    had a box turtle [ excuse- i mighta told this story before] and i was so excited/pleased- i thought-” a box turtle-no more stinky water turtles

    i never had a cage or nothing- run free lil box turtle- just go hang daddio
    so the first week he ends up under the stove- i hear this grind- noise- whack whack whack
    he got himself stuck and was.. i don’t know- trying to get out by..
    i don’t know turtle logic
    but we had to move the stove to get him out and
    ok- no problem- we will let it pass
    then 2 days later i was on the deck
    put him down, closed my eyes for 15 minutes
    and he screwed- ran away
    at first i thought- oh poor me- what did i do wrong?
    but now i’m all fuck-em stupid turtle

  173. happyfeet says:

    they’re incredibly adventurous beasts

  174. McGehee says:

    Population centers, I’m thinking. Look out NYC, LA, Chicago, and on down the list.

    No. The whole point of a coup is to get things under control before the ungovernable masses can take a hand and start decorating lampposts.

  175. sdferr says:

    Another good reason to be rid of the Department of Education.

  176. happyfeet says:

    here Mr. sdferr you might like this – this person is a for reals astronomy photographer

  177. bh says:

    I should get a turtle.

  178. bh says:

    i think blogging my travels might be fun. my ? is: would this be interesting to the commentariant of pw?

    Sorry, I missed this earlier.

    I’d read every word of it, nr. If you included little anecdotes of the wacky shit that happened on the road along with some pictures? I’d check in four or five times a day.

    This is what the internet is for. Do it.

  179. happyfeet says:

    However, some scientists are questioning the safety and wisdom of Perry’s treatment, especially because it was not part of a clinical trial in which unproven therapies are tested in a way that helps protect patients and advances medical knowledge.

    Perry “exercised poor judgment” to try it, said Dr. George Q. Daley of Children’s Hospital Boston and the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. “As a highly influential person of power, Perry’s actions have the unfortunate potential to push desperate patients into the clinics of quacks” who are selling unproven treatments “for everything from Alzheimer’s to autism.”*

  180. bh says:

    What, you wanted him to live with pussy cancer?

  181. bh says:

    Hmmm, the internet tells me that pussy cancer isn’t a real thing. You have some ‘splainin’ to do, ‘feets.

    I get it. You take something pervasive like dick cancer and then make a joke the other way. Not cool.

    Dick cancer kills millions every year. Not funny.

  182. happyfeet says:

    the Globe link isn’t really clear… this is a meme the dirty socialist Associated Press is pushing … their propaganda slut is really proud of herself … she tweetered the same link twice

    I thought it was interesting that the same propaganda bitches what beat up Mr. Bush for not being stem celly enough are beating up Mr. Governor Perry for being recklessly stem celly.

  183. Pellegri says:

    OH NO A FAMOUS FELLOW SOUGHT OUT AN EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT

    HOW TERRIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE

    Get back to me when we start criticizing Democratic presidentical candidates for riding motorcycles without helmets on, smoking, and using alcoholic beverages, which all have a guaranteed risk of cancer, organ damage, and death.

  184. happyfeet says:

    msnbc has their own quack on the case to rip Perry a new asshole for … calling for more stem cell research

    In fact, Perry is not only a user of oddball therapy; he has been busy promoting it. He has been calling for investments using public funds in adult stem cell companies.

    Last month, three weeks after he got his fat stem cell “treatment,” he wrote a letter to the Texas Medical Board, which is considering new rules regarding adult stem cells use. Perry told the doctors he hoped Texas would “become the world’s leader in the research and use of adult stem cells.” He asked board members to “recognize the revolutionary potential that adult stem cell research and therapies have on our nation’s health, quality of life and economy.”

    The promise of adult stem cells may be fulfilled one day but that day is not yet here. The scientific evidence simply is not in place for offering adult stem cells as proven ”therapy” for much of anything.

  185. pdbuttons says:

    i heard steve mcqueen put coffee grinds up his ass [for the cancer]
    but that’s not gonna put me off a nice fresh cup of joe in the morning

  186. mr. tyson says:

    Yum !

    Earpaccio !!

    Thank you, Mr. ‘blo !!!

  187. guinsPen says:

    a user of oddball therapy

    And color me satisfied.

  188. Bob Reed says:

    Epic…No really, for the topical departure; both in speed and content. My contributions being slim lately, I’ll just wade right into the fray.

    1) Took Lee’s test, scored 90 & 100. Who knew I was so libertarian as to be nearly a libertine!

    2) Definitely grilled cheese; between Texas toast, and with bacon, of course.

    3) I’d definitely follow newrouter’s roadtrip; but there needs to be lots of photos, and perhaps a video or two of him flippin’ the fark out on a few folks along the way for being RINOey or just flat out not worth sharing a foxhole with. It’s got to at least have film of him calling someone an “effin’ PROG!”; said with a sneer that would make Malcom McDowell jealous :)

    4) I’m in the Ali camp for the Ali-Tyson hypothetical. Although Tyson was a ferocious beast in his prime, Ali fought a few of those back in the day, as I recall.

    5) I’ve already tired of the fratricide on the right leveled against Perry. One can have their doubts of Perry’s “staunchness” or disagree with policies of his past, but Malkin’s gardisil freak out is a new height in lows, as is the scolding by Rove, et al, for his remarks about The Bernank. People have to remember that there’s little love lost between the Bushies and Perry. A situation exacerbated this week by Perry’s remarks about his A&M education versus Yale; a remark meant more ti underscore his working class roots than disparage Bush-as many Bush allies seemed to take it.

    6) The MBM will half-heartedly try to be Obama cheerleaders in 2012; but as Jeff noted the public will see through much of this; especially given that “Hope-and Change for the future” will be transformed into “Fear and loathing for the xtianist wack-job” that the other guys: are running. Instead of running on his failed record, the Obama-bots will be talking along the lines of, “imagine how much worse it’ll be of they’re in charge!”

    But that’ll fall short, because the public’s wise to the “transformation” Obama’s attempting. And many of his criticism’s of GOP ideology have lost their sting amidst the hypocrisy of his own acts (imperial president, war mongerer, etc.). These actions have demoralized and/or outright alientated his 2008 supporters; they’ve realized that they’re not the ones they were waiting for.

    If Jimmy P is right, and the economy is still struggling, Obama’s one and done. Almost anyone will beat him.

  189. serr8d says:

    The promise of adult stem cells may be fulfilled one day but that day is not yet here. The scientific evidence simply is not in place for offering adult stem cells as proven ”therapy” for much of anything.

    This, from a likely LeftLibProgg who worships at the feet of Al Gore’s Global Warmalism ‘SCIENCE!’, on a network that supports SCIENCE! of the most risible sorts? Seriously?

    Oh, ‘adult’ stem cells, not ‘fetal’, ’embryonic’ stem cells. ‘Splains the disfavor. If you can’t get your stem cells from killing or compromising the life of a human, whilst trashing any sort of ethics these God-bothering right-wingers point to, they are obviously not usable, and won’t work. The SCIENCE! is settled, you see.

  190. motionview says:

    What do you do when you face a doomsday scenario of your own creation? He wanted the TEA Party to just barely prevent the Republicans from increasing the debt limit, in order to cut off beneficiaries, close the Washington monument, isolate the TEA Party from the Establishment Republicans (who would have collapsed by day 8), induce a depression that he would blame on us, and ride to victory with a mandate for FDR 2.0. That’s still the goal, and the press has clearly demonstrated that they are fully, fully on board with that plan.
    He has no option now but to let it all hang out; he’s going to try that same approach with this new September jobs plan and the Super Committee. It would probably be a good idea if we had a coordinated, smart, winning counter to this long-telegraphed punch.

  191. sdferr says:

    Mr Reed, you tease! Wander in here after missing for days, only three days from a due-date and say not a word about it? Dude, where’s your couth? Ossiferinnagennellman indeed.

  192. guinsPen says:

    …would this be interesting to the commentariant of pw?

    You betcha.

  193. B. Moe says:

    Tyson was a very clumsy beast. Ali was a very refined beast, watch the “what’s my name” fight with Ernie Terre, borderline sadistic. Tyson would have been lucky to land a glove on either Ali or Holmes, the two who the real argument is about.

  194. happyfeet says:

    Malkin’s screechy gardisil freak out was notable mostly I think cause she didn’t even have grace enough to allow that Mr. Governor Perry’s motivation was to keep people from getting a preventable form of fatal deadly cancer, and there’s really no question that *some* number of people are going to die a slow painful tumor-riddled death that a few shots in high school would have prevented

  195. Bob Reed says:

    Sorry about that sdferr.

    We’re still waiting for Baby to decide it’s time to come into the world. All is well with Baby and Mama, but I’m getting a bit frazzled, truth be told; what with relatives decamped here awaiting Baby’s arrival. Last week, based on ultrasound measurement the weight was estimated at 9+ pounds, and his/her head was estimated to be 10+ centimeters. My lovely wife muttered the word “ouch” at that last revalation…

    If Baby doesn’t come by his/her own volition by the due date on the 23rd, then the Dr has decided to induce labor, making it likely that Baby will be born August 24th.

    I’ll keep everyone updated to be sure in the coming days, and will circulate photos as soon as I have some available.

  196. happyfeet says:

    there should be cake

  197. sdferr says:

    Huzzahs! Except for the part necessitating my abandonment of the 27th! But still, glad to hear all is well. And hey, the 24th is Cal’s birthday if I remember aright, so maybe you gets an ironman!

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