Why, yes! Insofar as the President has succeeding in blaming them. And really, isn’t that all that matters, perception being reality and all? The mark of true leadership is avoiding the slings and arrows of a mainstream press that, in their efforts to help advance the progressive agenda, are always looking for ways to spin GOP recalcitrance.
Whereas the squishes, conversely, are pragmatic, sober, and very very Reaganesque.
Honestly. How can the conservative movement ever hope to get anywhere without heeding the advice of wise, staunch counsel from the likes of, say, David Frum? How can they ever escape the traps placed by the left without agreeing to all the left’s premises — without an agreement by August 2, the US will default! (despite taking in enough monthly revenue to pay the service on the debt 6 to 7 times over) — and then outsmarting them by caving to them.
Ha! And here progressives thought we’d take the blame! No sir. We relented and compromised. We showed them! And the American people will love us for our willingness to break with the extremist ideologues on our fringes. Just as they embraced the maverick McCain and rode that across-the-aisle express to victory!
OFF TOPIC
Jeff, I clicked that ‘groupon’ link a few weeks ago and joined. Sadly, I live too far out in the boonies for it to be of any value to me, and they send me two emails every day.
I’m all for making you money, but it’s kind of annoying. If I cancel it, do you still get paid?
I don’t have any idea, Kevin. I don’t think I’ve ever been paid by them.
On the other hand, Groupon is awesome.
Worth remembering when considering how utterly worthless are the promises of future spending cuts in exchange for tax increases now. Article asserts that historically, each dollar in new taxes has led to more than one dollar in new spending.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620502560925156.html
Can someone explain to the squishes that rewarding bad behavior (e.g. giving in to illiberal-Democrat threats) only gets you MORE of the same bad behavior in the future?
It’s like the bratty kid screaming at his mom in the check-out line for candy — her giving in actually ensures future tantrums.
Why are people like Radosh channeling such a parent?
Groupon is very awesome for example if you have a kid away at college or posted on a base stateside you can pick their city and buy groupons for them, which is a very nice thing to do cause of lots of groupons are for tasty foozle
Was Billy Budd to blame? Of course he was. But not.
This is one of the problems with natural right. It stands hard over against conventional right and always will.
Anyone who uses the word default for what happens August 2 or 10th? is either a fucking idiot, a drooling propaganda whore for the liberal-fascist left or they have inside information on Obama’s decisions as to what get funded if the debt ceiling doesn’t get raised.
Default or not is all on Obama. A credit downgrade and the financial turmoil that follows in its wake is all on the Democrats especially Harry Reid and the President. Come on GOP get this simple message out there, everywhere. Sheesh.
at the end of the day even your average retarded American know what it means when your credit gets downgraded – it means you spent too fucking much – and everyone knows bumblefuck is a spendy spendy motherfucker
the mostest spendiest motherfucker in history
oh crap Asian markets open in like two hours
sell sell
actually i guess we have like 7 hours til meltdown
But if you just borrow more money, they like that better, right?
No, wait. They cut your credit limit, don’t they?
Except they like to ask you if you’re a man or a woman which is just hateful.
Tokyo is one more hour of the rising sun ahead of Shanghai and they open at 9:00. Set your sell, sell panic watch accordingly.
Five hours and twenty minutes from… now.
everything must go
Only the bag holders will be caught holding the bag.
I cannot possibly lose anything in the market because I have no investments. Yay me!
Take your choice Timmuh. Idiot, drooling ideologue,or sycophant insider.
I think you’re a three-fer.
We have to borrow borrow borrow. For the children and old people and poor.
H8ters.
I watched Turbo-Tax Timmah on Fox news this morning. I think he got pretty close to losing his cool there for a bit.
Every question he pretty much reframed and answered how he wanted.
from jen the rube’s sources:
link
ho hum NY Time’s Kristof says Republicans and Tea Party are “a threat” to the safety & security of the United States.
Because of the fanaticism of not wanting to RAISE TAXES!! AAAAEEEEEEIIIIIII!!!!
Would that he added to that:
Basically, we all have to surrender together, for the good of the team.
Yeah, got it.
You’re all deranged.
I’ll bet the Tokyo fish market is open now and they’re selling the hell out of some tasty tuna.
Whew, happy I’m not a conservative.
punt, pass and kick
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff thinks the national debt is our primary security threat. Kristof who?
Latest debt deal info I can glean:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/latest-debt-ceiling-crisis-reid-offer-25-trillion-deficit-reductions-and-not-tax-increases
-BREAKING – NEW Dem. debt plan: Reid to offer at “least $2.5 Trillion” in deficit redux w/ no revenue increases, Dem. source tells CNN.
-NEW REID PLAN: “At least $2.5 T in deficit redux” w/ no revenue increases. BUT, unclear what baseline he’s using and what he’d cut.
-REID PLAN: Dem aide tells our @tedbarrettcnn they think it meets GOP call for dollar-for-dollar spending cuts with debt increase.
So maybe the pressure is working. Or the Dems are reading the handwriting on the polls and realizing that the public doesn’t want any tax increases.
Or maybe they’re setting the stage for another Obama tantrum tomorrow when he demands some tax increases; because of the fairness.
monday tantrums are way better than thursday tantrums
tuesday tantrums are full of grace
wenesdays tantrum is the one ya gotta look out 4, it’s full of woe
Fridays tantrum has faaaaar to go.
after all this drama Boehnerpussy just says ok spend spend spend away?
I hope the caucus is telling him to get fucked.
Kristof who?
Nikita.
omfg the market’s in goddamn free fall
save yourselves
in unrelated news
moby just released an acoustic album{cd?]
titled “plink,plink christmas muppet tantrum”
jump,
you two !
plink, plink !!
pete seeger just had a tantrum in commie heaven
meanwhile- the deliverance banjo guy reamained calm
yowza,
i just had
an eleventrum.
murtnat mrs. torrance
murtnat,murtnat-murtnat!
Quite.
Reuters hits the SELL, SELL, SELL button first today
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/24/businesspro-us-markets-global-idUSTRE76N2XJ20110724
No surprises there.
There’s some discussion today on the left about Elizabeth Drew’s What were they thinking?. Here’s the start
Does it never occur to her to ask why the economy is stalled? Does she really think that the economy is stalled because the government is not spending enough money?
Does she have an economics degree?Our economy is stalled because of the mindless gushering of money. What they were thinking is that to get the economy to recover, maybe we should slow down the gusher.Another moron who works for more morons spouting moronic propaganda talking points that redefine “default” to fit their political needs. Low, low, low.
Meanwhile China takes on a different face.
ms. drew like leftard mr. radosh or frum have nothing intelligent or interesting to offer in this discussion except the decrepit philosophy that is dying as we watch.
we really should be asking baracky & co. which obligations they plan on defaulting on. for the children or granny or peking.
“since the world would recognize it as a failure by the U.S. to stand behind its commitments.”
yea the world really cares if we stiff grandma on ss./sarc off they care if we stiff peking or other bond holders.
For a Party that marched out the subject of “Kitchen Table Issues” they don’t seem to have any clue what gets discussed at real kitchen tables when the household budget get tight. Hint the gym membership, the fruitbasket of the month club, even the cable TV may have to go so you can still pay the mortgage, the car payment and the electric bill. Priorities, fiscal triage.
And of course, by “spend less money,” she means that the government must spend less money. Which, I guess it never occurs to her that when the government spends less, we, the people, spend less (or, if you prefer, are not having more of our money spent by government); but whereas that means the government has less, we as individuals actually have more, and owe that much less!
And when we have more, we spend more, and invest more, and the market moves and creates jobs to match need.
Somebody send the bitch a pie chart.
yowza,
i just had
an helen twelvetrees.
or maybe
it was an
helen wheels.
whichever, the earth moved.
Only time for one comment tonight.
In line with what geoffb said in #7:
From the comments:
“We are being played. Debt limit has expired with no ill effect on markets for each of the past three occasions in my lifetime. There is about $200 billion of tax cash flow coming in monthly, and $29 to service the debt. Add to that Social Security, Medicare, payments to military personnel, including veterans benefits, there is still $66 billion left over for other things.
A REAL PRESIDENT would have prepared and publicly announced a plan case the limit was not raised. A real president would have calmed seniors and others reliant on government income, and had put an announced plan on the table for other departments. Our Jester in Chief chooses another path, one of destructive games aimed through encounter group tested buzzwords at his re-election hopes.
Any losses are at the feet of Obama. It is what he wants, and we the fools allow him to continue to get away with it.”
I like the cut of this fella’s jibe!
Carry On Outlaws!
Chart not withstanding, pie, yum.
Gotta say, this has to be the most boring Asian apocalypse ever.
Hmmmph. The markets likely have this little bit of ‘debt twitchery’ reactionism baked in already. They are a tad more sophisticated than these ‘Rain Dancing’ Democrats realize.
Note I said ‘the markets’, not meaning individual investors… )
What, no giant radioactive lizards this time, either? Damnit Japan, get your act together!
kinda funny watching baracky looking for the next crisis to exploit.
I was at least hoping for footage of traders jumping over their desks and attacking one another with swords.
Sorta funny, the Dems are still getting their headlines even though the reaction was a big yawn.
This is why most people don’t take those jokers seriously. They always have an explanation for random movements in the market. Can always get that one quote from some random analyst or another.
Makes me wonder why they don’t become traders and cash in on their incredible insight. They’re amazing selfless individuals, I guess.
#50- gee, i thought the guy from the ‘flock of seagulls’ was a good keyboard player but
after watching linda mcartney tickle, i now see why paul married her
Me?
I’m safely ensconsed.
Pay no attention to “Me?”
Even more safely.
From Elizabeth Drew’s essay (p2)…
Heh. I can smell petulance.
Keep saying that so’s someone will believe you, Mr. “I WON!”.
something weird is going on
i was just thinking of the maginot line
i really was- don’t know why- it just popped in my head
and the penguin posted a video of some banjo player singing ‘maginot line’
i am really scared
why paul married her
i heard
she gave
good hedge.
The other (better) gitaurist’s Ferrari.
“No, bc only something that has R and D support can pass both bodies”.”
nail the bastard
now thinking of kill bill vol. 1 where that oh so cute japanese girl ‘go-go’ the one with the metal ball and the plaid skirt was sucking down a big bottle of wine[?] and the jap guy asks her”what do u think of ferraris?” and she replies”italian trash”- if anyone is thinking the same, more a less, thinghouston, we have a problem
link
I was thinking of the five point palm death thingy. Does that count?
i am not now thinking of bjork
but u are
“Italian smash“. “French one-upmanship“.
the 5 point palm thingy counts as much as uma ploinking out darryl hannahs other eye
he’s a pretty good director,tho some of his shit is lame
he’s got an ear about people talk, like elmore leonard-
just my opinion
frog pussy!
(slap shot)
{swoosie kurtz}
i will wait
Best-looking woman of the ’60’s era, I’ll bet a beer on it!
now not thinking about grace kelly in ” to catch a thief’ in that outstanding, breathtaking black and white outfit where she met cary grant in the lobby of that swank hotel
nope-not me-un ungh,nope-i’m not
Ok let’s play deconstruct this statement. Since Nov. 1975 there have been 40 votes to increase the debt ceiling. The average time between votes is 9 months 10 days. But we can also look at the partisan side of these votes. From Jan 1995 when the Republicans got control of Congress to Jan. 2007 when they lost it there were 6 votes to increase the debt ceiling. Average time between votes was 22 months 25 days. During the time from Nov. 1975 to Jan. 1995 and Jan. 2007 to the present day there have been 34 votes to raise the debt ceiling on the Democrats watch. Average time between votes 7 months. Shortest time between votes 1 week.
The suggestion that Democrats want there to be a long time between debt ceiling votes is a lie. Table is below, information from Wiki here.
November 14, 1975 595 +18
4 months
March 15, 1976 627 +32
3 months
June 30, 1976 636 +9
3 months
September 30, 1976 682 +46
6 months
April 1, 1977 700 +18
6 months
October 4, 1977 752 +52
10 months
August 3, 1978 798 +46
8 months
April 2, 1979 830 +32
6 months
September 29, 1979 879[135] +49
9 months
June 28, 1980 925 +46
6 months
December 19, 1980 935 +10
2 months
February 7, 1981 985 +50
7 months
September 30, 1981 1,079 +94
9 months
June 28, 1982 1,143 +64
3 months
September 30, 1982 1,290.2 +147.2
8 months
May 26, 1983 1,389 +98.8
6 months
November 21, 1983 1,490 +101
6 months
May 25, 1984 1,520 +30
2 weeks
June 6, 1984 1,573 +53
4 months
October 13, 1984 1,823 +250
13 months
November 14, 1985 1,903.8 +80.8
1 month
December 12, 1985 2,078.7 +174.9
8 months
August 21, 1986 2,111 +32.3
2 months
October 21, 1986 2,300 +189
7 months
May 15, 1987 2,320 +20
3 months
August 10, 1987 2,352 +32
2 months
September 29, 1987 2,800 +448
22 months
August 7, 1989 2,870 +70
3 months
November 8, 1989 3,122.7 +252.7
9 months
August 9, 1990 3,195 +72.3
3 months
October 28, 1990 3,230 +35
1 week
November 5, 1990 4,145 +915
28 months
April 6, 1993 4,370 +225
4 months
August 10, 1993 4,900 +530
31 months
March 29, 1996 5,500 +600
16 months
August 5, 1997 5,950 +450
58 months
June 11, 2002 6,400 +450
12 months
May 27, 2003 7,384 +984
18 months
November 16, 2004 8,184 +800
16 months
March 20, 2006 8,965[138] +781
17 months
September 29, 2007 9,815 +850
8 months
June 5, 2008 10,615 +800
4 months
October 3, 2008 11,315 +700
4 months
February 17, 2009 12,104 +789
10 months
December 24, 2009 12,394 +290
2 months
February 12, 2010 14,294 +1,900
Boehner should tell the press that Reid, et al, don’t like the short term plan. Nor the long-term plan passed by the House, that the Senate voted not to vote on.
Then he should say he’s taking some time off to go golfing, and that he’ll be back August 3rd, and they can resume talks then. Because he’s done.
Could probably double that if they would take your advice.
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Obama II: Be afraid, be very afraid.
I remember clearly the uplifting campaign against McCain/Palin. Why I can see it right from my front porch as I hold my little one in my arms. You betcha.
Bring it on Bambi.
New Timmuh defends Old Timmuh.
77. geoffb posted on 7/24 @ 10:56 pm
Yeoman’s work geoff. Thanks.
The thing that most sticks in my head from the weekend dance of the debt-ceiling story is the mention on the FNC Sunday show that the House has a mechanism under reconciliation rules to get whatever Boehner and Co. cook up next to the floor of the Senate for an up or down vote requiring a mere 51 votes for passage. With 47 Senators, the Republicans only need 4 defectors from among the Senate Dems. Faced later in the week with the certainty a no vote would bring on the bullshit market terror story the Dems have been peddling, I’m not at all sure Harry Reid can hold his caucus together, so there’s a decent chance the House two phase solution will go to Obama’s desk.