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The MFM just drops to their knees and begs to swallow.
Off topic but I need you people to help me.
What the fuck is this?
If you’re going to point out a fact that isn’t commonly known, you introduce it as such. She didn’t, so I’m assuming that that wasn’t her intention.
What’s going on here? Anyone want to disect this? What assumptions is it operating on? This is shutting my damn brain down.
It’s essentially Ace’s argument seen in the comments here: http://minx.cc/?post=317264
How the hell do those mental gymnastics form? This really just flabbergasts me.
If you’re going to point out a fact that isn’t commonly known, you introduce it as such. She didn’t, so I’m assuming that that wasn’t her intention.
That’s all I can do. Just keep repeating it, staring blankly and murmering ‘WTF?’.
Jeff – even the fact checker ignores trhat they paid back part of one loan with additional TARP dollars.
Entropy
Next up: Sarah Palin didn’t use her salad fork properly.
obviously, someone has run out of nits to pick …
palin stupidity disorder (psd)- makes otherwise rational people turn stupid when the snowhoochie is the topic of conversation.
Translation: if you’re going to tell me something I don’t know, but have always assumed I did, it’s up to you to make sure you cater to my ignorance, not show your own knowledge.
Because I’m a conservative. And we are entitled.
Why?
And who else does it to them?
I mean, obviously the kossacks and whatnot, they’re all deranged all the time.
But what the hell is it with this. Is it the fargo accent? I really don’t understand it.
We’re not talking about Peggy Noonan or David Frum here, nor anybody who drinks only Beefeater brand martinis and laments for the days before they let Jews into the country club.
Entropy,
Sarah Palin isn’t responsible for what is or is not commonly known. If you don’t understand what she’s trying to say, you can either ask her to clarify her statement (and isn’t that like, Journalism 101?) or you can point and laugh, gibber and jape, like the media did (i.e Journo-lism 99: remedial asshattery). Really, who beclowned themselves here?
Once again: believing that someone who is so into American history and guns, etc,. as Palin wouldn’t know the mythologized, dumbed-down version of Paul Revere’s ride — and so just “lucked” into a more thorough understanding of the incident, as laid out by Revere himself in his writings — is to evince more about yourself than it is about Palin, her intelligence, etc. The fact that she noted the ringing bells is suggestive that she knew exactly what she was talking about. And it also tells us that she views the Revere story through the lens of “don’t mess with us, we’re armed and ready,” rather than through the more traditional mythological lens of “WAKE UP, WE’RE BEING BESIEGED!”
Ace and others seem perpetually worried about how other conservatives are viewed and presented, because they worry that it reflects on them. They refuse to come to grips with the fact that the media narrative will be what it is until we’re able to do away with the leftist media.
Me, I’m happy to be tethered to Palin. She’s a lot smarter than she’s been depicted by the media — and in their zeal to condemn her, she’s got them complaining about illegal left turns, flag etiquette, and showing their own ignorance on the date of the original Tea Party, and now on Paul Revere’s complete story. They’re chasing down her bus. Her refusal to play their games has them following her, and no staged protests can be planned in advance to drive the media narrative wherein she always appears in the context of loud, “grassroots” opposition.
Translation: if you’re going to tell me something I don’t know, but have always assumed I did, it’s up to you to make sure you cater to my ignorance, not show your own knowledge.
I don’t know that that’s it. In fact, I frankly don’t think it is – it’s an incarnation of know-nothing-ism for sure, but it’s it’s not truly that, not just railing at anybody who points out something you didn’t know. It’s PALIN.
I don’t, can’t, won’t take the statement at face value – no one is going to seriously put forward that as some sort of universally true convention or grammatical requirement, to put —-SPOILER ALERT—- on anything that isn’t fuckin obvious.
I mean, if I’m talking and I’m NOT aiming at telling you anything you didn’t already know, I’m obviously wasting my time. WTF is the point? Any sentance I didn’t “mark” out as a possibly containing spoilers I’d just re-think and keep silent.
You, Jeff, can probably pick it apart and reduce it to tidy absurdness much cleaner than I can. That’s totally out of left field wierdness there, with this ‘marker’ talk/obsfuscation. Ace seems to be homing in on concensus/convention, that ‘most people do this’ most of the time or whatever, so reasonable rules state she meant an error and got lucky. Maetenloch seems to be more stating it as some kind of flat law of universe or something – high pressure seeks low pressure and new information is declared in a preamble.
In either case it’s pretty goddamn unworkable if you start thinking about seriously trying to operate like that all the time.
No… whatever the chain of thought is here, it’s some kind of gymnastics that is reaching for justification. But I do not know what, or why it’s so blindly unaware of itself.
Oh, but we are! These are people who aspire. They ape more the mores of the Frums and Noonans and Brookses. Sarah Palin discomfits them because she reminds them of their own middlebrow origins; origins they’ve rejected. Meanwhile, she unabashedly (and more importantly unashamedly is who she is and does what she does. Her success invalidates their own (to their way of thinking).
Painting with a broad brush here, obviously, but not an overbroad one I think.
I guess the WAPO fact-check guys didn’t want to pile on too much, since they conveniently left out the part about the Dept of Energy giving Chrysler/Fiat a 3.5 billion dollar “loan” for factory retooling…
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/05/chrysler-debt-effort-stalls-goverment-loans-not-so-shyster-after-all/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/usa-chrysler-idUSN1716683220110517
I mean, no worries, eh? Becuase who checks the alleged fact checker.
Ace and others seem perpetually worried about how other conservatives are viewed and presented, because they worry that it reflects on them. They refuse to come to grips with the fact that the media narrative will be what it is until we’re able to do away with the leftist media.
OK.
That’s the kind of theory I was asking for. Stockholme-esque. They’re worried she makes them look dumb in front of Katie Couric or something. (To grossly hyperbolize)
That I can understand, at least… It will do. Maybe I can actually get some work done now.
God if all things Palin doesn’t send my dim view of humanity in general plunging ever lower.
If you agree with Palin…you might be a redneck. /Foxworthy
Of course it is. It’s silly. And in a soundbite culture, it’s downright idiotic to call for such a thing. As I wrote several years ago at the beginning of this national nightmare.
The market tells me more on the GOP side followed the counsel of those on the opposite side from me. So it goes. Doesn’t make me any less correct.
And really, why are people on “our side” so willing and eager to give cover to the left and their narrative contrivances?
It’s stunning to me. And yet these same people are the voice of our side.
Which is why I’m on my own side now.
Outlaw.
More grist for my theory that there are 2 distinct conceptions of knowledge.
Besides the obvious one, many people seem to use ‘facts’ as nothing more than fashion statements, to signify they’re a member in good standing of the bien pensants, share at the water cooler and look super scary smart.
The thing about that is, if facts are used for that purpose, what is most important to their practical function is that there is no dissent. It’s utterly irrelevant whether they are true or not.
“I can’t possibly be dumber than Sarah Palin. She must have been right on accident.”
2+2=5
Hey, don’t blame me, I didn’t make the rules here. I just know that we have to work within the system if we’re going to change it. We’re going to do our best to keep the color between the lines, and when we put down our crayons and step back, everyone will finally see the complete picture we’ve been trying to draw for them, and they’ll realize that we’ve been right all along!
The only problem is that we aren’t the ones who determine the lines we’re trying to stay between.
And the best we can hope for is a candidate who can articulate that our $16.5 billion “investment” in Chrysler yielded a $7.6 billion return, in terms that
Homer Simpsonyour average voter can understand.As for all those
suckerscreditors that got screwed, well, you get what you negotiate. Except when you don’t.Some of that nonsense over at Ace’s — or Hot Air for that matter — is a case of misplaced proxy anger. In most of those threads you have Palin supporters who are being dicks and you have Palin haters who are being dicks.
Human nature being what it is, they’re pissed at one group and letting it bleed into their thinking about the actual politicians they’re pretending to be talking about.
Some have said it rather openly.
“Never underestimate the power of human stupidity”
P.T. Barnum, I think. Or possibly Ambrose Bierce.
Jeff is Treebeard! I knew it.
Of course, the bullshit loans were just that, bullshit. Of course Obama lied out his ass about them being paid back in full. He’s a lying sack of shit. But the biggest problem with them was not when they would or would not be paid back. The biggest problem with them is that they happened in the first place. It’s an absolute affront to liberty to take my/our money and give it to a preferred actor. That’s my personal property that I didn’t want shitty car companies like Chrysler and GM to have. Crony capitalism at it’s worst. This is what the feckless middle needs to understand.
That’s my personal property that I didn’t want shitty car companies like Chrysler and GM to have.
If I were a political candidate, I think my campaign theme would be “Let my people go!”
That’s really all I want and what needs to be done.
Whether it’s health care, leave me the hell out of it, taxes leave me the hell out of it – I’ll sign a waiver of benefits, bailouts, leave me the hell out of it! Lightbulb bans… Leave me the hell out of it!
Do whatever the hell you want, really, just leave me the hell out of it.
At my house, I’m a Leavemealoneican, and my wife is a Shutupocrat. We’re a mixed marriage.
“In most of those threads you have Palin supporters who are being dicks and you have Palin haters who are being dicks.”
I think bh is reading this correctly. It stops being about Palin and starts being about winning an argument with some internet douchebag. It’s that weird psychological trick our brains play on us that makes us think that “everybody” is “always” (fill in the blank) when things get testy.
There were a shit-load of strawmen and ad hominems in that thread. Which is how every Palin thread ends up.
Bingo.
The Palin-haters’ position is that if Palin said it it has to be stupid and wrong because she said it. And if it was true before she said it, her saying it makes it untrue.
Behold the power she wields: she can change history!
And if it was true before she said it, her saying it makes it untrue.
That’s what I’m afraid of. It really seems that way with a few of them, particularly those who keep mentioning she was “technically” right.
I’m not sure what the hell that means… they don’t elaborate much on really correct vs. technically correct.
It just seems that the unquestionable part is that she’s wrong. Even if she’s right, she’s still wrong. She got lucky. A technicality.
why are people on “our side” so willing and eager to give cover to the left and their narrative contrivances?
They. Must. Be. Liked.
They half-believe that the Left has a point, and aren’t these lovely, clever people, and who wouldn’t want to be in their good graces?
“If I were a political candidate, I think my campaign theme would be “Let my people go!””
Do you have some good plagues to dish out? You’ll need those. And maybe a stick that changes into a viper.
Well, Entropy, I guess you can thank the New Critics. If Sarah Palin doesn’t tell us exactly what we want to hear, just exactly, she’s a fucking idiot who meant to say “He [Paul Revere] warned the colonial militia that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms[.]” instead of what she actually said.
Personally, that seems more confused than what she said, but that must be what she meant, because that’s what people wanted to hear: Paul Revere warned the militia as everybody knows. Too bad the dumb bitch can’t admit a mistake and make this all go away.
And this is why a Romney administration would do, well, something about global warming. Because everybody knows the planet is warming.
You know what the scariest thing about that thread over there is? Even people who think they can think for themselves, can only think along the lines laid out for them.
Ace’s argument is that Ace hates Palin. He cannot stand her, probably because he’s spent his life pursuing the RINO model of “political advisor” career advancement, and she threatens to put an end to that corruption. Most of the rest of the Morons fall into line because they’re sucking various RINO cocks, believing that a half-baked Marxist Mormon or a former member of the Obama administration, or a latter-day Mondale, or a J. Random Blowdried Airhead is the Only Person Who Can Defeat Obama.
They have polls to support their positions, too. Carefully crafted polls conducted by the same press that worked so hard to uncover the Weiner story…
Abso-fucking-lutely. Either Sarah or one of her immediate relatives is a student of the Revolution.
It’s amazing the number of people who apparently believe that the lack of a degree from an ivy-covered shithouse means you’re an ignorant bumpkin, and the number of people who think bowing and scraping before those who attended the ivy-covered shithouses somehow makes them intelligent.
First, it’s easier than thinking.
Second, because it’s the cheap route to success.
Third, because all the big boys are doing it.
Ace is a cheerleader, a cheer captain even. He wants to win. Doesn’t make him a RINO necessarily.
Except the Palin haters go out of their way to be dicks. It’s no different than the left’s hatred of Bush, just a different (and equally low) group of people.
I was on a trip with 20 other Americans, almost all lefties. Over the course of the week and a half, I heard half a dozen slams against Bush. I resisted the urge to grab one of them by the neck and scream “GODDAMIT, HE’S NOT IN OFFICE ANYMORE, YOU CAN PUT AWAY THE GODDAMN NOOSE!”, primarily because I knew their comments had no actual thought behind them. They were operating purely on an instinctual level, much like a planaria or leech.
Ace is a coward. He wants to “win” but only if it doesn’t endanger the gravy train.
I bet he comes out in support of Romney. “Electable” and all that. Never mind that he’s a policy abomination.
Nah. Ace is saving it for Chris Christie.
“He wants to “win” but only if it doesn’t endanger the gravy train.”
I don’t know about all that, but I think most people that support RINO’s do so for more honorable reasons. Like, “life is a bitch and reality is having to pick the lessor of two evils”.
They are blind to the self fulfilling prophecy aspect of the concept.
The truth is, the federal government has become an out of control monster. We are supposed to be self governing, from the local level. The Fed was supposed to be limited to narrow duties, mostly ensuring individual freedom among the states. The states were to have autonomy under those specific and limited Federal powers.
Now, every citizen of every state has the fed influencing every aspect of their lives, and the states have very little latitude in controlling their own destiny.
It is no longer a government of the people, it’s an imperial democracy.
I seriously doubt in my heart the structure can hold, regardless who is elected in 2012, and succession movements will have to be taken seriously before the monster even notices us.
That’s when the fight really starts. Right now, we’re just desperately negotiating.
It occurs that the head explosions, should Sarah win the nomination AND the presidency, will not be confined to the left.
Rent free, left AND right.
Paul Revere?
Good grief. Revere paid Longfellow to make a 20 mile ride famous. So, if he survived the war (and no doubt he was a patriot), Revere could then sell expensive, stamped cutlery.
Palin could have stupefied the MFM and sent them all running for Google with two fucking words…
Israel Bissell.
There’s your “Paul Revere”.
*I’m happy to be tethered to Palin. She’s a lot smarter than she’s been depicted by the media — and in their zeal to condemn her, she’s got them complaining about illegal left turns, flag etiquette, and showing their own ignorance on the date of the original Tea Party, and now on Paul Revere’s complete story.*
Yes, that. IN this day and age, a potential candidate has to know how to handle the press and everything they’ll throw at her. This was, in my opinion, one of the biggest Bush problems- he assumed the media negativity would either wash over him or would have minimal effect on his ability to govern. Palin has spent the time since the 2008 elections learning how to navigate the new media and old, giving her a strength most candidates don’t seem to possess. I don’t know if she’ll end up with the nomination (though my gut is telling me she will, especially if front runner ends up being Romney) and she probably wouldn’t be my first choice but she’d sure as hell be an interesting president. Plus, come on – I want to watch democrat heads explode when a republican is the first woman to be president.
A few lefties came up to me during this whole Weiner roast trying to change the subject to Sarah Palin. I just listened carefully for a few minutes to their snickers about Paul Revere, pointed out that there were bells and guns being shot off and that Revere really did warn the British (to misdirect them and to get released) and then asked what the fuck is wrong with Anthony Weiner. They looked sad at their failed attempts to change the topic.
Up and coming crony capitalism: Banning incandescant bulbs equals more consumer choice!
The money quote:
(my emphasis)
Indeed. My opinion? Not too damn much.