American Pravda moves forward:
Top Democrats in and outside the White House, speaking on background so they could be more candid, suggest that former US Ambassador to China and Utah Governor Jon Huntsman would be the GOP candidate President Obama would least like to face in 2012 — but they think he can’t win the nomination.
The very qualities that make Huntsman formidable in November 2012 — his centrism and bipartisanship — will work against him in Iowa and South Carolina, Democrats say.
White House senior adviser David Plouffe was years ago quoted saying the notion of a Huntsman candidacy made him “queasy.”
Another possible tough contender would be Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, they say, while also envisioning ways that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty would mount tough campaigns. Many top Democrats say they anticipate Romney will be the nominee since Republican party has a history of giving the nomination to the next guy in line.
Sadly, the GOP establishment seems to buy into this nonsense .
Or at least, they pretend to — in order to keep the ruling class/subject dynamic that is threatened by a classical liberal or a conservative candidate and the TEA Party he or she would represent.
In fact, some GOP establishment types have even posited doing away with a wide-open primary season altogether, so that we their potential constituency don’t waste time listening to people that can’t possibly win (read: that the establishment don’t want to see run).
We know the modern Democrat Party: leftwing social democrats and socialists/Marxists whose perfidy is predictable. It’s who they are.
But I’m beginning to think that the more dangerous enemies to our liberty are those on “our” side who pretend to represent our interests — both as politicians and as polemicists — but who in fact are proving to be the central obstacle to the ascendancy of the will of the majority of those who adhere to constitutional principles.
These people wish to shame us, to label us extreme, to dismiss us as anti-intellectual rubes or aggressively ignorant Visigoths who shouldn’t articulate our interests for fear of doing so in a way that will alienate the better kinds of people our side’s elites so want to be accepted by.
The history of the right side of the blogosphere from around mid-2008 to the present can be mapped along the lines of this divide. And the activist media is beginning to build the narrative for 2012 along these same lines — joining the GOP establishment in telling us who our nominee should be, who is “serious” and “adult” and who is not.
Strange alliance, that.
Wake up, people. Before it’s too late.
Remember how McCain was the Republican who Democrats feared the most? Yeah, that lasted until he actually became the GOP’s nominee.
Republican the Democrats fear most is MSM code for we know exactly how to take this guy down.
They probably have a 10 inch dossier on his family company. Huntsman Chemicals. How they polluted water tables, poisoned elementary schools, oppressed labor, etc, etc yada yada.
He is bi-partisan alright. Bipartisan in his corporate death start evil capital mongering ways.
If I were his advisor, I would tell him, nothing is worth getting his family business dragged through the mud for.
“Please don’t throw me in that briar patch Mr Fox!”
Uh-Oh. I’ve done it now.
Yep, with fiends like them who needs enemas? In other news today we learn that Boehner’s “trillions” of dollars in spending cuts [scare quotes in original!] might “be achieved over a five to ten year period.” But they’re talking about raising the debt limit by $2 trillion. At the rate we’re going they’ll burn through that before the end of FY2012. That makes the claim that the debt limit increase will be offset with equal cuts ludicrous. Of course, if future cuts really did offset future spending they wouldn’t need to increase the limit, would they?
On one hand it would be interesting to have this debt limit increase debate again closer to the next election, but on the other, if S&P and Moody’s are correct we don’t have five to ten years to get spending under control, we’ll hit the wall with deficit spending before then, quite possibly by 2013. If Boehner really does negotiate something this bogus he’ll prove himself not only a danger to our liberties but to our very existence as a nation.
Perhaps it’s time to remind these boneheads that the Visigoths sacked Rome and we could sack them too if they don’t stop fiddling?
You are exactly right on this.
Yup.
I listen to Top Democrats all the time. I know they have my best interests at heart.
LMC beat me to it; as well as to the sure to come denunciation by JD :)
Of course the Dems are trying to set up Huntsman, Mittenz, T-Paw, or Mitch as the Rethug candidate; because then they win regardless of the outcome.
I personally suspect that none of these clowns could beat Obama. But even if one of them pulled it out, they would most certainly be willing to
compromisebe bullied into accepting at least parts of the left’s agenda in the name of comity and bi-partisanship.Since as we’re so often reminded by the jeering left compromise is how democracy works!
And as with all else, it doesn’t matter how fatuous that assertion is, now that they themselves didn’t feel the need to live by that maxim when they held all the reins of power; all that matters is that they keep repeating it until the low-information voters embrace it as veritas.
Naturally with the help of their fifth column in the fourth estate.
On the other hand, in a disturbing “Karl Rove in a goatee” universe in which Huntsman wins not only the GOP nod, but the general, we’d finally see the dreaded “C-word” aired out in public… so to speak.
I mean, yes, there were those delightful “Sarah Palin is a C*nt!” t-shirts a while back, but that’s nothing to the throngs of protestors who will, like clockwork, take to the streets the moment “President CUNTsman!” does, well, anything whatosoever. And they’ll all have their little signs, explaining how very much they dislike those icky nasty vaginas, people who’s names rhyme with them, and presumably those women who cart the things around all day. Though I expect that last bit will remain unspoken.
Why, I can practically hear Anderson Cooper giggling like a schoolgirl at the thought of ‘accidentally’ saying “President Cuntsman” on national television.
H8ers, please. If he was good enough for O!, and Jimmy Carter likes him, who better to be your nominee?!
“Keep working, keep drinking and – take your television’s advice. You know, most TV’s recommend Faith In The System. Yes, Faith In The System, available in easy-to-swallow propaganda form, or new fast-acting thought control…”
This distinction probably doesn’t need to be drawn because it isn’t the thrust (or even a secondary point) of this post but I’m going to do so anyway.
Not all people who support (weakened as it might be over this and that issue) any of these candidates do so out of any distaste for the aggressively ignorant Visigoths. (Heh.) Rather, they do so because they actually like some of these candidates.
Take Mitch. I have my reservations now for some of the issues we’ve discussed here but of the people currently running he’s still my number 2 pick. (Cain’s currently on top. Could see supporting some others if they joined the race as well.) Why? Fairly simple. He’s been a governor for 2 terms and has gotten a ton of great stuff done. There is no other motivation.
Now, people can see that completely differently. That’s life and these are the primaries. But, when I see the same BS attacks on guys like that that offended me when they came towards Palin? Fuck that. Check any Hot Air thread on the topic and you’ll see lie after lie and dirty bits of innuendo and guilt by association come flooding out.
Those people aren’t on my side either.
Yes, a guy that makes Mitt Romney seem dynamic and real, a guy that will get all of America to say “Who?”.
Jon Huntsman.
Were I to reform the primary system, I’d do the following:
Have only 5 primary dates, with ten state per primary.
Hold a lottery to assign the dates to the states. The lottery is new each cycle.
This way, the ten-state blocs are different, so we aren’t held hostage by the Iowan farm subsidies or whatever the hell New Hampshire is up to. Different mixes of states means that different mixes of candidates will emerge in the early races each time.
Of course, they’ll NEVER implement such a system, first because the state parties won’t give up that kind of power, and second because the national party won’t give up that much power.
I hate them all.
Huntsman. The thought causes me to giggle at least as loudly as it does the Obamarrhoids.
the alaskan hoochie speaks:
Removing the Boot from the Throat of American Businesses
by Sarah Palin
Mojo, that’s “Confidence in the system.”
“Everybody knows that this is the midst of the disillusionment and heartbreak season,” announces Ben Bland during his all-night matinee. “For the first sign of the seven danger signals of depression, drink as much as possible and take your television’s advice; and y’know more TVs recommend an amazing new psychic breakthrough than any other, and that’s confidence in the system.” (http://www.firesigntheatre.com/albums/album.php?album=jf)
Now, where did I put mine?
Yeah, let the opposition pick the opponent. That’s the ticket. What could go wrong?
Obama likes Huntsman because he is more graceful, lissome, and feminine than Michelle. And if he was the opponent he could fuck him after debate meetings. Enough said.
“But I’m beginning to think that the more dangerous enemies to our liberty are those on “our” side who pretend to represent our interests”
I held my nose and voted for Bush I, Dole & Bush II. I did it not because I liked them or their policies, but because of the Supreme Court. Period. That is the only reason I could justify voting for them. With McCain and his Gang of 14 past, even that justification was gone. I pulled the Libertarian lever in protest. (symbolic protest anyway- I think the Libertarian candidates are generally nutty fruitcakes).
There are times that I wonder if I did the right thing, 2.5 years of Hope has been tough. That said, I’m pretty sure I won’t be voting for any of the RINO candidates to come. I am tired of pulling knives out of my back. As I get older I am just not flexible enough to reach them and they hurt like hell if I leave them there.
This might be a stupid question and I’m sure I could google it but what are Huntsman’s problems? I know the following: rich, former governor, former ambassador… yeah, that’s pretty much it.
I’m hearing that the Dems might be playing their normal games and that he’s boring. Is he shitty on the issues or what?
Okay, I googled. Seems pretty conservative. Real question would be why he took the Chinese ambassadorship, I suppose.
Certainly not a RINO or CINO though, unless I’m missing something.
Jon Huntsman Ad from 2007: It’s Time to Cap Greenhouse Gases
Heh. There you go. Thanks, nr.
link
That’s a dividing line between the candidates that I’ve been considering, btw. We have to hit on Obamacare and JOB-KILLING regulations (global climate whatever). If the prospect has problems in those areas, they’ll have a hard time taking it to Obama in debate.
there’s something about a guy that goes to work for baracky then suddenly thinks he should be baracky’s opposition that sounds like chitown politics.
The MSM view of the Republican field at this time. And then there is the view at Salon.
I have one question. Why believe anything that they put out one way or the other? The MSM and the left are known, inveterate, accomplished, liars. They mean to fool you some how. What their exact strategy or strategies are can only be known for sure by either being on Journolist or seen in hindsight as we now view the 2008 season. They are a house of mirrors and should all be ignored as such when deciding anything important to the conservative side, which is their sworn enemy, to whose demise they bend all their lying efforts.
hannity to the newtsters:”ah this precedents going to be tough to beat..”
on planet rino yes.
For me the fact the Obamarrhoids are claiming — loudly and in public– that they’re afraid of him, is all I need to rule him out. He is obviously Br’er Obama’s briar patch, and I’ll have none of it.
And then there’s the idea that the leader America needs to get us out of what Obama’s been doing to us, is a guy who let Obama send him out of the country during the two years when he was going to be doing it.
I’ve eliminated anyone that John McCain beat for the nomination in 2008, and I’ll also eliminate anybody who spent those two years out of the country representing Obama. The reasons Huntsman’s supporters have floated for why he took the job and should still be considered for president, are hilariously absurd.
This is a problematic standard though, right, McG? Infinitely possible to game or to simply throw a head fake towards.
Yet, I can’t discount it. There’s obviously a bit of tea leaf reading going on. And, yeah, this is probably a doable if extremely high-level art. But, at the same time, I’m not exactly a retard and I quite often disagree with others when they’re reading the tea leaves.
Let’s say you or I disagree while we each say this or that is the obvious thing that our gut tells us? Who’s right?
What’s the basis?
Okay, again with the RINO.
The other day, Pablo mentioned his worry about Herman and his work with the Fed. His hesitancy to embrace an audit.
Am I now to throw him overboard? Can him a RINO? Cast him into the night?
What’s the standard and why? Formulate it and defend it.
Fact is, for example, no one here even agrees on abortion. Give me the way I’m to take disparate standards and then apply that to these candidates. It’s not a litmus test or purity test. Forget that odd pejorative. Such things are impossible! We don’t agree with one another. Who, then, can agree with us?
a 1/2 hour with newt on fannity. yawn.
at this point they are all ruling class mfers so see them as such.
hey there’s always dr. paul!!11!!
But I could be that to you, nr.
Cain could be that to me. I could be that to Daniels.
There is indeed something there. That essay from Codevilla. In my gut, which I can’t define or defend, I feel there is something there. Yet, he’s from the intellectual class so I can’t trust him. And he can’t trust me because I’m in finance.
At some point we have to get to the ideas. In the end, there are no short cuts.
“But I could be that to you, nr.”
i don’t think so. mitchy, rove, newtster, daniels, christie,huntsman, pawlenty, rubin, johnpod, petey wehner, nro, et al and hey jeb: the tired rethuglican clan making a pitch for another chance. eff them this time against mr. unbeatable. time to clean house from the dc bandits.
I hear that. It’s a pure anti-establishment pitch. To be perfectly honest, I’m a bit open to it.
Yet, Herman Cain has been a chairman of a Fed Reserve Bank. You know how hard that is to do? That’s harder than playing quarterback on an NFL team. If we want to take points away for this, it kills him. If it grants points, it’s a huge boost.
Regardless, Herman is part of the system.
Either that is okay or it’s not. Much like Sarah. Much like Mitch.
Herman’s Fed Chairmanship doesn’t bother me so much until it’s combined with his disdain for some sunlight in the Fed. Then it’s a red flag. That said, Herman’s still my guy as we speak.
I’m so tired of all this that I can’t even imagine how my brain will make it to 2012. I want to punch elitists in the face. I want to punch anti-elitists in the junk. I’m running out of people I don’t hate.
I like Cain, but I’d be happier with Palin or Bachmann, both of whom I’m certain would be straight forward, unapologetic conservatives in their campaigns, and both of whom have been thoroughly vetted.
The best the press could do is say things like, “hey, didn’t we already tell you we don’t like your faces and voices and your stupid stupid beliefs? Well guess what — you’re still a pair of silly twats!”
“Regardless, Herman is part of the system.”
so is sister sarah palin. so what? which person is going to fight for our side in this dreadful choice? because the 2008 choice was: baracky vs. mccain. hey easy choice there “my friends”.
you know who i want in 8 month time in iowa: santorun, bachmann, palin, cain. hell even dr. paul and johnson. the squishes no. note: yo newt and your 3 wives: go away same with mitchy and his eff upped personal life. hey mitch we did that with palin.
Silver linings and all that, but isn’t it a tell that Olde Media is trying to get the Republican they want at such an early date?
It was Thompson, last go around, until he made it clear he just wasn’t into the race. McCain was MSM default and only showed as well as he did because of Palin.
In my opinion, Jon Huntsman isn’t a hot enough property to be worth that kind of effort from the Democrats. The only plausible scenario is they’re trying to turn him into a hot property.
They also want us all to think our choices going into the campaign are a bunch of losers, which is bullshit. Pushing Huntsman is their bet that the “loser” meme will pay off.
I hate to say it, but I think it is paying off. Too many people who should know better, are buying media spin. Fuck that. They wouldn’t be spinning so hard if any of it were true.
I am. Pisses my wife off but I gotta be me.
I fucking hate guns.
But I bought one today.
Scared much?
Yup….
McGeehee
Good thing we live in America, huh?
There are a few candidates running or about to run, that I’ll give a fair hearing. I’m rooting for Herman Cain because I’ve met him, I think he has what it takes to win in 2012, and he’s the one out of a handful I really like that is actually already in the race. He appears to be taking an early lead, but I worry he’s peaking too early. If he can turn this early advantage into an enduring one I think he’ll beat Obama like a rented hobo.
As for the Fed, I thought Federal Reserve policy was made by the overall Chairman and the Governors, not by the chairman of a single bank. According to his Wikipedia page Cain doesn’t object to a Fed audit, he just doesn’t think it’s necessary. I think events in the next 12 months stand an excellent chance of overruling that opinion.
Zino3, yes — if we can keep it.
As I was sorta but not really playing the devil’s advocate:
Pablo, just using that as an example.
Jeff, yeah, I’d like to see them get in as well. Contrast. Always good.
McG, again, just an example of such things.
I could write all this up and bore you guys over many, many paragraphs and Jeff would allow it out of his free speech thingamagig and all but it would just be this, only longer and more soul deadeninginging.
So, we’ll pretend we did it already. Right?
As we only have a second left on the clock, maybe I’m an apostate. And… scene.
I’m at the age where I should probably have mine checked.
I’m at the age where I should probably have mine checked.
Knurling might be slightly less painful. Maybe bead blasting?
My litmus test is cutting spending, starting with all the things never mentioned in the Constitution.