Obama's "Winning the Future through raising taxes on everyone and everything, but calling it something else, because tax hikes aren't particularly popular" campaign speech open thread
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What kind of country? Free markets, free enterprise as teh engine of wealth. Rugged individualists, self-reliant. Another thread in out history- we are all connected on a deep karmic level.
Dear God, this is the most pig-headed administration ever. Tax the Rich, they don’t need it! Let’s ignore the fact that those with capitol can create JOBS….
Another commission! Like the deficit commission he set up then ignored until he got cornered ad his poll numbers kept dropping.
Is the anything he thinks is beyond his control? He will control healthcare costs. He will control green energy costs. He will control the tax rates for the rich. Every time he says control, the real world result is you get to pay more. Period. End of story. This was a fucking unserious campaign speech.
#21 – here’s something you don’t get though, and I really hate to bring it up. When I “create jobs” it costs me money too. So, I don’t do it just to do it. And if I want to lower my taxes, I can hire more people, because their payroll is an expense that I (for the most part) don’t get taxed on.
I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love all of you believing that me keeping a crap load of money in my personal bank account somehow magically creates jobs, but it doesn’t really. shhh. don’t tell.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m starting to see all this “eat the rich” agitprop less in terms of making it okay to steal their shit through the tax code, and more in terms of making it okay to steal their shit after the bottom drops out.
This isn’t about preparing a policy debate; it’s about setting up a scapegoat. Il Douche is already preparing his “release the hounds” speech.
So, to recap: we’re in debt because we have unfunded tax cuts. Meaning, all the money in the country is the government’s, and tax cuts that take the rate below a certain level is really hurting the government’s need to keep more of ITS money.
Therefore — to be fair — the government is willing to make you all an offer: it’ll just take away the mortgage deduction, charitable giving deduction, etc., from the “rich,” the top 2%, or those millionaires making $250K yearly.
Because nothing is more fair than stealing and winning supporters by sharing some of the plunder with them. But not too much: they must always remain dependent. From this comes power, you see. And a perverse gratitude on the part of the bought and paid for.
But hey — it’s simply unhelpful to call a Marxist a Marxist. And if you do so? You’re an extremist who needs be bounced from polite GOP company.
you forgot to mention price fixing and the takeover of industry and unicorns
Well, in my defense that stuff wasn’t discussed in the campaign speech. Plus, the former is down the line a bit, the middle has already occurred, and the latter is no more real than is the fact Obama is a pragmatic reformer, not a 21st century Marxist.
My TV is racist. While Obama was speaking I tried to make him sound more intelligent by turning up the “brightness” — and you’ll never guess what the TV did!
Oh no, I have burned them all! I knew I should not have reclined smoking while sitting on my accounts.
Now I will never get any money out of those bastards…
Oh wait, you can print more?
They are just copies?!? Ledgers, you say?
I told you to bring me the accounts, goddamn it! Not records of our accounts, the accounts themselves! Fetch them, my feet are sore and my ass needs support!
Oh, fucking great! Now she’s called me an asshole and quit. With no notice!
I am beginning to suspect a conspiracy. All these accountants in their little guild are conspiring to horde all the material accounts to themselves! To sit in, no doubt!
alex_walter must have one of the saddest of all lives. I mean, imagine that your one achievement is being able to sign up for enough email addresses and proxy enough IPs that you can get onto a blog where you aren’t wanted in order to post in someone else’s name unclever, oblique criticisms that people more or less just skim past.
Dude! So much blather and nothing substantial to say. I thought he was supposed to be presenting his spending plan, contra Ryan.
All I heard was blah-blah-blah-“reduction in tax code spending” (i.e. our taxes need to go up), and the big finish where he contended that this added up to 4 trillion saved over 10 years; 2 million from spending reductions in, er, spending, 1 trillion in interest savings, and another trillion via tax increases…
And what kind of chumps must Bowles and Simpson feel like right now. They were summoned to be merely props in the audience. They didn’t even get a shout-out!
But, you know, they have really been props all along anyway…
I like the idea we’re gonna make health care more affordable by getting generics on the market faster. Drug companies will love that, given the exclusivity on the market of brand-name drugs is already five-seven years even with PDUFA. Howsabout we repay them for the ten or fifteen years of expensive-as-hell research and sociopolitical negotiation with the FDA by making their window of maximum profitability EVEN SHORTER?
YES, MR. OBAMA. LET US DO SOMETHING THAT WILL FORCE EVEN MORE OF AMERICA’S INDUSTRY OVERSEAS. And while we’re at it, give them more incentive to avoid the FDA as much as possible. I sure enjoy my less safe, less ethical drugs. They are delicious.
When I pointed this out to my dad, he said “everyone was going to need to make sacrifices”. Big pharma is real enthusiastic about making sacrifices, oh yes. They end up coming out of the end user’s hide.
I like the idea we’re gonna make health care more affordable by getting generics on the market faster. Drug companies will love that, given the exclusivity on the market of brand-name drugs is already five-seven years even with PDUFA.
Interesting. On the one hand, you could probably make them cheaper by increasing it. But only in the first 5 years…
Reducing it would in fact make them cheaper, quicker. But also less likely to be developed in the first place.
“unfinded tax cuts” is akin to the pay-go legerdermaine, where they just ignore it when it’s inconvenient…
This requires pushback, for sure. We can’t allow them to hijack the language to cement the notion that somehow all the money in our economy is property of the government, and they graciously decide how much to allow us to keep.
We have to demand an explanation, along the lines of the simple question Spiny Norman articulated: “Jay Carney, can you explain what the President means, what is the difference between a ‘funded’ and ‘unfunded’ tax cut?”
Because, as Jeff always notes, this is a question of twisting the language to suit a propagandistic purpose. But in this case it provides an excellent point of departure for a larger discussion on liberty in general. If people agree that the government can’t decide what one is allowed to keep of one’s earnings, then it wouldn’t be too great a leap to proving to them that their rights are a function of their being, and not bestowed on them by the government.
But, then, I’m a racist a priori, I guess, for not automatically swooning over ObaMao’s speecifying.
There must not be anything that important Barry had to say, because Sheriff Joe fell asleep during his speech. If it ain’t a big fucking deal to Joe, it ain’t a big fucking deal.
The President makes up a phrase like “unfunded tax cuts” and some people wonder why we make spend so much time on linguistics. It’s enought to knock me out of primary balance.
We’re not broke. We’re just letting people keep too much of the government’s money. And all the money belongs to the government, doncha know? Welcome to America, 2012. And the Soviet Union, 1917. And Cuba, 2012. And North Korea, 2012. But we’re not Communists, no! How uncivil of you! Now give us our money!
Interesting. On the one hand, you could probably make them cheaper by increasing it. But only in the first 5 years…
Reducing it would in fact make them cheaper, quicker. But also less likely to be developed in the first place.
Streamlining FDA regulations again would also make them cheaper and get them on the market faster, and likely make developers more inclined to stay within the US instead of moving overseas.
I’m not really going to play much of an apologist for big pharma–some of what goes on in drug pricing is likely needless bloat. But a good deal of it does reflect the fact they can’t sell what they’ve patented for the first decade of its patent, because it’s under development for five of those years and then stuck in the maze of FDA regulation for the next five. There’s a lot of strategizing that goes into patent extension as well, including hunting for new uses for medications, orphan drug development (the Orphan Drug Act is a smart little piece of legislation, IMO; pharmaceutical companies get guaranteed exclusivity on treatments in return for developing them for diseases with fewer than 250k patients in the country), and the like. The introduction of generics on the market as soon as a patent expires makes revenue from the brand name drug tank, which is bad news for the developer.
There’s a lot of crazy stuff going on, and I’ve got some of my own theories on why some really screwed up situations have evolved in prescription drug patterns over the past few years, too. Suffice to say though OMGWTF is once again picking the feel-good solution that sounds best and is actually totally retarded and shows a complete lack of understanding of any of the factors involved.
It’s interesting living in a Nation magazine animation still.
For decades it had been broadly understood that economic growth was a function of the private sector’s health and its (collective) confidence in future prospects. Now, that’s apparently not even remotely acceptable as a starting place. Economic growth is now due to the government’s ability to borrow without restraint.
I’d like to emphasize the phrase Bob Reed picked up on in #54. “Spending reductions in the tax code.” This is the one phrase that will be remembered from this whole blah-blah-blah speech. It is the Obama addition to the Bill Clinton invented “investments”.
Investments = taxes
Spending reductions in the tax code = tax increases.
Marvelous now another term “spending reductions” is twisted by the left to mean it’s opposite. Time to revise the dictionary again, while Obama will go out proclaiming to all that he is in favor of drastic spending reductions.
And there are even automatic spending reductions called for. The wonders of governing on auto-pilot that Obama has discovered on the links now brought to bear on the deficit.
Because nothing is more fair than stealing and winning supporters by sharing some of the plunder with them. But not too much: they must always remain dependent. From this comes power, you see. And a perverse gratitude on the part of the bought and paid for.
Well, we’re 60 seconds in, and he hasn’t lied yet. Maybe once he finishes acknowledging the audience.
TOTUS malfunction, BRB.
Shout out!
Obama, Biden, Geitner, OMB Director, Sperling, Erskine & Simpson, and some congress-holes. What a brain trust.
The government is broke. The government is you. Ergo, you need to give us more money, and in so doing, give it to yourselves. QED!
What kind of country? Free markets, free enterprise as teh engine of wealth. Rugged individualists, self-reliant. Another thread in out history- we are all connected on a deep karmic level.
What, is somebody talking during my nap?
It’s a black thing. You wouldn’t understand.
he hates me because i’m richer than him.
If he had someone take edits from prior speeches he would be able to do any speech without actually giving a new one. and you know who that benefits?
Titleist!
trust me, a trillion’s not that much any more. my second wife got a trillion
oh no he didn’t. he just called you all stupid for wanting low taxes and high services. as the tea party candidate, I won’t say that.
The dude is ripping off George Lucas’s intellectual property.
“These are not the cuts you are looking for.”
*waves hand fluidly and squints at the camera*
Michelle is gonna kick his ass.
“You moron! I told you you didn’t have Jedi powers! No… no! I don’t want to hear about what the golf ball did last week!”
Wonder how much money we’re pissing away in Libya, Mr President? Hrmmm
stupid. if you want 33 seniors to give you 200k, you open a casino. does this joke of a president really not know this?
if the military won’t seize the oil wells, what good is it?
A commission! Medicare is saved!
2014? 2014 doesn’t politically exist.
Oh those damn top 2% again. They really just ruin this country. /prog-think
Dear God, this is the most pig-headed administration ever. Tax the Rich, they don’t need it! Let’s ignore the fact that those with capitol can create JOBS….
i don’t need another tax cut either. but i want one, and i bet i can get one.
Another commission! Like the deficit commission he set up then ignored until he got cornered ad his poll numbers kept dropping.
Is the anything he thinks is beyond his control? He will control healthcare costs. He will control green energy costs. He will control the tax rates for the rich. Every time he says control, the real world result is you get to pay more. Period. End of story. This was a fucking unserious campaign speech.
You guys are masochists. I can’t listen to the fucker.
He’s the Lightworker, JD, have you forgotten?
Oh, he’s light all right…
#21 – here’s something you don’t get though, and I really hate to bring it up. When I “create jobs” it costs me money too. So, I don’t do it just to do it. And if I want to lower my taxes, I can hire more people, because their payroll is an expense that I (for the most part) don’t get taxed on.
I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love all of you believing that me keeping a crap load of money in my personal bank account somehow magically creates jobs, but it doesn’t really. shhh. don’t tell.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m starting to see all this “eat the rich” agitprop less in terms of making it okay to steal their shit through the tax code, and more in terms of making it okay to steal their shit after the bottom drops out.
This isn’t about preparing a policy debate; it’s about setting up a scapegoat. Il Douche is already preparing his “release the hounds” speech.
Fuck you Trump.
I hate trolls, especially rich bastard trolls…
Hey look, a troll. Hi little troll! Are you lost? I bet you are..
Hey “trump” – when was the last time a poor person hired someone for a good paying job?
So, to recap: we’re in debt because we have unfunded tax cuts. Meaning, all the money in the country is the government’s, and tax cuts that take the rate below a certain level is really hurting the government’s need to keep more of ITS money.
Therefore — to be fair — the government is willing to make you all an offer: it’ll just take away the mortgage deduction, charitable giving deduction, etc., from the “rich,” the top 2%, or those millionaires making $250K yearly.
Because nothing is more fair than stealing and winning supporters by sharing some of the plunder with them. But not too much: they must always remain dependent. From this comes power, you see. And a perverse gratitude on the part of the bought and paid for.
But hey — it’s simply unhelpful to call a Marxist a Marxist. And if you do so? You’re an extremist who needs be bounced from polite GOP company.
That about sum it up?
a crap load of money in my personal bank account somehow magically creates jobs
Where is the money in aforementioned bank account kept, praytell?
In the bank vault, in $100 denominations?
In gold in Fort Knox?
This idea that the deficit and debt are a result of unfunded tax cuts is one of the biggest big lies they have ever told. Ever.
unfunded tax cuts
WTF would a ‘funded tax cut’ look like??
This idea that the deficit and debt are a result of unfunded tax cuts
How the hell do you fund a tax cut?
#32 – you forgot to mention price fixing and the takeover of industry and unicorns
Trump.
Focus.
Where’s the money?
Do they store the cash in vats of liquid nitrogen?
Are bookworms or moth infestations a critical issue for banks?
I’m reminded of Homer Simpson beating on his TV, screaming at Garry Keillor: “Be more funny! Be more funny!” I wonder why?
Can I “sit” in my netflix account?
Could you please show me where it is, so I can sit on/in it?
Well, in my defense that stuff wasn’t discussed in the campaign speech. Plus, the former is down the line a bit, the middle has already occurred, and the latter is no more real than is the fact Obama is a pragmatic reformer, not a 21st century Marxist.
“Trump” = alex_walter
My TV is racist. While Obama was speaking I tried to make him sound more intelligent by turning up the “brightness” — and you’ll never guess what the TV did!
I’ve just paged our accountant, and told her to bring up all the accounts recievable, so I can sit in them.
It turns out they are made of paper. Quite sitable.
Oh no, I have burned them all! I knew I should not have reclined smoking while sitting on my accounts.
Now I will never get any money out of those bastards…
Oh wait, you can print more?
They are just copies?!? Ledgers, you say?
I told you to bring me the accounts, goddamn it! Not records of our accounts, the accounts themselves! Fetch them, my feet are sore and my ass needs support!
Oh, fucking great! Now she’s called me an asshole and quit. With no notice!
I am beginning to suspect a conspiracy. All these accountants in their little guild are conspiring to horde all the material accounts to themselves! To sit in, no doubt!
alex_walter must have one of the saddest of all lives. I mean, imagine that your one achievement is being able to sign up for enough email addresses and proxy enough IPs that you can get onto a blog where you aren’t wanted in order to post in someone else’s name unclever, oblique criticisms that people more or less just skim past.
That must suck.
I don’t skim past them Jeff.
I mock them for entertainment purposes.
My own entertainment, mostly. Which comes quite easy enough without help. But every little bit is appreciated still.
That was not even a good campaign speech. I love how Obumble refused to call tax increases anything other than tax expenditures. Fuck you, Bumble.
Tax expenditures?
Is that the overhead in the collection mechanism???
Dude! So much blather and nothing substantial to say. I thought he was supposed to be presenting his spending plan, contra Ryan.
All I heard was blah-blah-blah-“reduction in tax code spending” (i.e. our taxes need to go up), and the big finish where he contended that this added up to 4 trillion saved over 10 years; 2 million from spending reductions in, er, spending, 1 trillion in interest savings, and another trillion via tax increases…
Did I miss something or am I just that dense?
And what kind of chumps must Bowles and Simpson feel like right now. They were summoned to be merely props in the audience. They didn’t even get a shout-out!
But, you know, they have really been props all along anyway…
I like the idea we’re gonna make health care more affordable by getting generics on the market faster. Drug companies will love that, given the exclusivity on the market of brand-name drugs is already five-seven years even with PDUFA. Howsabout we repay them for the ten or fifteen years of expensive-as-hell research and sociopolitical negotiation with the FDA by making their window of maximum profitability EVEN SHORTER?
YES, MR. OBAMA. LET US DO SOMETHING THAT WILL FORCE EVEN MORE OF AMERICA’S INDUSTRY OVERSEAS. And while we’re at it, give them more incentive to avoid the FDA as much as possible. I sure enjoy my less safe, less ethical drugs. They are delicious.
When I pointed this out to my dad, he said “everyone was going to need to make sacrifices”. Big pharma is real enthusiastic about making sacrifices, oh yes. They end up coming out of the end user’s hide.
Unfunded tax cuts? Tax expenditures? WTF? He’s making shit up now!
Screwing over “Big Pharma” really is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
We’re ruled by idiots and thieves.
I like the idea we’re gonna make health care more affordable by getting generics on the market faster. Drug companies will love that, given the exclusivity on the market of brand-name drugs is already five-seven years even with PDUFA.
Interesting. On the one hand, you could probably make them cheaper by increasing it. But only in the first 5 years…
Reducing it would in fact make them cheaper, quicker. But also less likely to be developed in the first place.
“unfinded tax cuts” is akin to the pay-go legerdermaine, where they just ignore it when it’s inconvenient…
This requires pushback, for sure. We can’t allow them to hijack the language to cement the notion that somehow all the money in our economy is property of the government, and they graciously decide how much to allow us to keep.
We have to demand an explanation, along the lines of the simple question Spiny Norman articulated: “Jay Carney, can you explain what the President means, what is the difference between a ‘funded’ and ‘unfunded’ tax cut?”
Because, as Jeff always notes, this is a question of twisting the language to suit a propagandistic purpose. But in this case it provides an excellent point of departure for a larger discussion on liberty in general. If people agree that the government can’t decide what one is allowed to keep of one’s earnings, then it wouldn’t be too great a leap to proving to them that their rights are a function of their being, and not bestowed on them by the government.
But, then, I’m a racist a priori, I guess, for not automatically swooning over ObaMao’s speecifying.
There must not be anything that important Barry had to say, because Sheriff Joe fell asleep during his speech. If it ain’t a big fucking deal to Joe, it ain’t a big fucking deal.
http://flapsblog.com/2011/04/13/video-vp-joe-biden-falls-asleep-during-president-obamas-deficit-reduction-speech/
The President makes up a phrase like “unfunded tax cuts” and some people wonder why we make spend so much time on linguistics. It’s enought to knock me out of primary balance.
We’re not broke. We’re just letting people keep too much of the government’s money. And all the money belongs to the government, doncha know? Welcome to America, 2012. And the Soviet Union, 1917. And Cuba, 2012. And North Korea, 2012. But we’re not Communists, no! How uncivil of you! Now give us our money!
#47: It’s worse. He goes to a non-material world place where he isn’t wanted. That’s sadder than LARP.
Hiring more people would be the same as creating jobs.
When you come back you should maybe try Einstein for a handle.
Give them all their money back and barter with gold nuggets.
Interesting. On the one hand, you could probably make them cheaper by increasing it. But only in the first 5 years…
Reducing it would in fact make them cheaper, quicker. But also less likely to be developed in the first place.
Streamlining FDA regulations again would also make them cheaper and get them on the market faster, and likely make developers more inclined to stay within the US instead of moving overseas.
I’m not really going to play much of an apologist for big pharma–some of what goes on in drug pricing is likely needless bloat. But a good deal of it does reflect the fact they can’t sell what they’ve patented for the first decade of its patent, because it’s under development for five of those years and then stuck in the maze of FDA regulation for the next five. There’s a lot of strategizing that goes into patent extension as well, including hunting for new uses for medications, orphan drug development (the Orphan Drug Act is a smart little piece of legislation, IMO; pharmaceutical companies get guaranteed exclusivity on treatments in return for developing them for diseases with fewer than 250k patients in the country), and the like. The introduction of generics on the market as soon as a patent expires makes revenue from the brand name drug tank, which is bad news for the developer.
There’s a lot of crazy stuff going on, and I’ve got some of my own theories on why some really screwed up situations have evolved in prescription drug patterns over the past few years, too. Suffice to say though OMGWTF is once again picking the feel-good solution that sounds best and is actually totally retarded and shows a complete lack of understanding of any of the factors involved.
Because that’s what #WINNING the future is about.
It’s interesting living in a Nation magazine animation still.
For decades it had been broadly understood that economic growth was a function of the private sector’s health and its (collective) confidence in future prospects. Now, that’s apparently not even remotely acceptable as a starting place. Economic growth is now due to the government’s ability to borrow without restraint.
Roddy, just wait until interest rates go up. Congress will then pass a law forbidding Treasuries to yield more than 2%.
Congress will congratulate itself for solving the interest rate problem.
People and countries stop buying treasuries.
The country finally implodes economically.
Congress justifies its actions claiming “things would have been a lot worse had they not acted.”
I’d like to emphasize the phrase Bob Reed picked up on in #54. “Spending reductions in the tax code.” This is the one phrase that will be remembered from this whole blah-blah-blah speech. It is the Obama addition to the Bill Clinton invented “investments”.
Investments = taxes
Spending reductions in the tax code = tax increases.
Marvelous now another term “spending reductions” is twisted by the left to mean it’s opposite. Time to revise the dictionary again, while Obama will go out proclaiming to all that he is in favor of drastic spending reductions.
And there are even automatic spending reductions called for. The wonders of governing on auto-pilot that Obama has discovered on the links now brought to bear on the deficit.
Because nothing is more fair than stealing and winning supporters by sharing some of the plunder with them. But not too much: they must always remain dependent. From this comes power, you see. And a perverse gratitude on the part of the bought and paid for.
Hey, it worked for Mohammad…