Yay, freedom!
Like, for instance, when Hamas came to power in Gaza, or the Islamists began taking over Turkey? Or like when the US threw off the shackles of England and built an anti-Israel theocracy…?
The US should support liberty. Supporting “democracy” in and of itself is to support a procedural method that only serves to legitimate theocratic takeovers in the Muslim world. And right now, we’ve got no answer for it.
good job kids the voice of the people cannot be and will not be and must not be denied! hah.
ok so what do we do now we need to get the actual freedom part kickstarted
we give the MB a spot at the table, have our political flacks pretend that the MB is “largely secular” and “eschews violence,” and we wait 5-6 years until Egypt has a largely Islamist government. Meantime, the long-war to re-establish the Caliphate continues, as we all pretend that the Islamists can’t possibly mean what they tell us day in and day out they mean.
let’s not be hasty
Either that, or the military takes over, kicks the MB out, and the Egyptians get an updated and polished version of the same old same old — at least until such time as there can be some sort of legitimate liberty movement that includes rule of law, and eschews political Islam.
But I find that outcome doubtful. This ain’t the 1940s. We’re much more civilized now.
The US should step in now and tell the military in Egypt that there’ll be no money forthcoming should the MB be allowed any seat at the table.
But that ain’t Obama. Instead, we get the new packaging: it’s a kindler, gentler MB, and they’ve eschewed violence. Plus, that “M” thing? Misleading. Given that the MB are “largely secular.” Like CAIR!
Yup, Jeff, and my complete disavowal of pragmatism I’ve landed at lengths over at “FREEDOM open thread.”
I’m clearly off of the shallow pier and well into the deep end.
You don’t get to have it both ways. Either the voice of the people cannot be denied, or we kickstart actual freedom (i.e. liberty).
of course promoting liberty involves inculcating certain values that are exogenous to that part of world, and cultural imperialism is so unfashionable these days.
Freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom. Who are we to decide?
Stop talking sense, Ernst.
It’s the optics that matter. Hey, I was for freedom! Look at meeeeeee!
The US is being run by children. A confederacy of dunces. And the mediocre cheer it on because they recognize in our leadership shades of themselves.
Yes. And, hopefully, promote the active cultivation of some liberal groups and institutions. Work it from both angles at once.
Can we get the people of Egypt to give up that whole Islam thing?
But, in seriousness, Israel has got to be on even higher alert, unless Sulieman can keep the MB at bay. A scary situation for Israel. Scarier than normal I should say.
I am going to sue somebody for whiplash. Where the fuck is my chiropractor!
Who cares? Kids in the street! It was beautiful — like a Pepsi commercial! Or Bill Ayer’s early twenties!
Can we get both Mubarak and Obama to abdicate? Oh wait, Biden too.
Egypt is free …. to what?
No Jeff. Benetton.
free to party!
Carin, I think Egypt is actually buy one, get one free.
Obama speaks at 1:30. Can’t wait.
(fudge in 20 minutes there, ’cause he’s usually late)
Free for the military to wait an week and then kill or capture everyone responsible for this debacle.
It will be about the 15th time they’ve done that to The Muslim Brotherhood but it probably won’t be as bad for them as Nasser made it in the early sixties.
But I’m hoping …
This on again, off again thing with Mubarak is kinda like General Franco being alive and dead. SNL has another opportunity to recycle bits that were barely funny the first time around.
OK, now we have a bunch of generals running the kleptocracy = “young people win”? I suspect that might not be the case.
I certainly hope the folks in Egypt can find the desire for liberty stronger than the MB’s will to power. Or the general’s droit de seignuer mentality for that matter.
I do like Jeff’s idea about the foreign aid conditions.
Egypt is free …. to what?
Like it’s 1979.
“President Hosni Mubarak is still clinically de-officed this morning …”
Tomorrow: Uh, Suleiman = Mubarak.
Next thing we know the masses will be demanding political prisoners are released, a free press is made legal and available, political parties aren’t repressed and harassed, other religions beside Islam are treated with dignity and respect and religious minorities protected from attack (and where attacked the miscreants are prosecuted to the full extent of the law), property rights are instituted to cover title holding and contract (Hernando de Soto is imported to become a temporary Sec. of Treasury for reform), and Barack Obama is invited to kiss all Egypt’s ass. George W. Bush on the other hand, is invited for an official visit as a friend of republican constitutionalism. Well, ok, de Soto, Obama and Bush will all have been dead forty years by that time, but hey, the masses can pretend can’t they?
from di’s link
Sally Moore and her brethren are doomed.
That’s a rare display of useful idiocy Darleen.
Surprise, the NYT’s celebrates the left! Who knew?
Sally Moore and her brethren are doomed.
Dearest Sally,
I’ll just put it in an inch. I promise.
♥ Muslim Brotherhood
Ernst
Sally doesn’t seem to know it isn’t up to her whether or not the MB is willing to be satisfied with 10%
Obviously Egyptian universities are as willing to cripple their students as American ones.
Carin
That makes me laugh, but not in a good way.
Darleen,
I have no doubt she was educated in the West.
Near as I can tell, Sally Moore’s infantile understanding of the MB and foreign policy is as moronic as … Barack Obama’s.
Yoinks!
Sadly it’s about the same as her Iranian predecessors who didn’t think they had anything to fear from the old guy with the funny long beard.
Clearly we’re into the Farcical Stage of History.
Maybe, as they’re sawing her head off, she’ll finally figure it out.
Sally is too stupid to breathe without thinking about it first.
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