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a post in which I confound Mr Frum, the ‘no labels’ guy.

Wait, David Frum? He’s that ‘no labels guy,’ right…?

96 Replies to “a post in which I confound Mr Frum, the ‘no labels’ guy.”

  1. pdbuttons says:

    davey frum
    taxed my bum
    and then took out a purple fruit
    he looked around the crowd
    and said out loud..
    look at me!

  2. sdferr says:

    I dent it: Tea.

  3. Jeff G. says:

    I’m sure it’s just coincidental, but the No Labels braintrust is comprised mostly of Democrat consultants.

    And the erstwhile GOPers who want to remain on the cocktail circuit.

    They are “patriots” who would like nothing more than to control your speech, and give politics back to the Beltway insider class.

    For our own good.

  4. Mueller says:

    Well shit yeah, Jeff. The rules are for everybody until THEY start losing. I thought that was a given.

  5. Ernst Schreiber says:

    [T]he No Labels braintrust is comprised mostly of Democrat consultants.

    Rush was just making that very point Jeff.

    I gotta ask though, how much sport can there possibly be in confounding David Frum?

  6. happyfeet says:

    they’re fighting the last war I think

    bumblefuck already pulled the no labels bullshit on America and Americans don’t like to be anally raped the same way twice

    they like to mix it up

  7. paul mitchell says:

    I find it humorous that they use the BUFFALO as their ani-mule of choice. Because of the buffalo-ing!

  8. happyfeet says:

    I keep running into references to this and I had to read about it cause of I had no idear and nobody tells me anything

  9. alppuccino says:

    McKinnon’s in there and he’s the guy that would not help Johnny Mac because “he didn’t want to criticize a black guy”.

    I love that. I know that when I’m playing golf for money, I like to have my opponent not want to beat me. It makes me feel like a better golfer. Then when the guy let’s me win, I do a big Tiger/Chicken dance on the 18th green, because victory is sweet no matter whether your opponent laid down or gave you his best.

    McKinnon understands that democracy is not about the competition between ideas, but it’s the type of good sportsmanship that says, right off the bat, “our opponent is black, so we should tank the game and let him win because he’s black and his feeling would get hurt if we told people that his victim-mentality, and entitlement-centric philosophy is bad for America. And what could go wrong if he’s elected anyway?”

    McKinnon needs a good kick in the balls. As does Huckabee.

  10. pdbuttons says:

    2 buffalo
    stories,,
    there is a bar-that has all u can eat
    buffalo wings..they be totally nasty!
    i just wish they had more napkins.
    buffalo story 2 i was in yellowstone…and i seen a group of bufaloes on aa hill
    and i thought/so cool’buffalos!
    then i drove..
    and there was a herd of them..
    fuckin-doggie style..
    they blocked the road!
    and-cuz imnot an idiot- i always kept the car
    between us..
    but a buffalo came up and snorted..and smelled me!
    looked me in the eye
    i didn’t blink!

  11. Bob Reed says:

    Frum and the “no labelers” are the first to label someone as an extremist.

    Great quip JeffG.

  12. Ernst Schreiber says:

    McKinnon’s in there because he’s a democrat. So’s Huckabee for that matter.

  13. TaiChiWawa says:

    He’s that ‘no labels guy,’ right…?

    Actually, he bears the “pseudo-non-labeler” brand.

  14. Slartibartfast says:

    LABELIST!

    I decry your predisposition to assign a label, without actually assigning a name to said predisposition.

  15. Squid says:

    I don’t know if it’s a partnership, an homage, or a straight rip-off, but that buffalo and that “Not Left. Not Right. Forward” motto are taken straight from the MN Independence Party materials from a few years ago. I may have to ask around and see what’s up with that.

  16. pdbuttons says:

    ever get patted on the back?
    and after many ass whumps u untangle
    a sign on ur back
    that says’kick me’

  17. B. Moe says:

    I wonder how many Progressives have been wrongly slain by Vampire Hunters because they can’t see their reflection in a mirror?

  18. ccoffer says:

    Gee. I guess this means democrats will cease “labeling” conservatives as racists. Or maybe racist will be a label than earns an exception to the “no labels” protcol. Ya reckon?

  19. steph says:

    #19 –
    That’s not a label.
    It’s a given.

  20. Entropy says:

    David Frum? He’s that ‘no labels guy,’ right…?

    Know what’s sad?

    As much as I’ve read people ripping that business apart, the best I can say is “I think so” and hope I’m not missing some joke about it actually being the crunchy-con guy dreher or something.

  21. geoffb says:

    […] we should push for three key election reforms: open primaries, non-partisan redistricting and campaign finance

    “Open primaries”, so the community organized left can choose both candidates for the regular election, for the fairness of course.

    “Non-partisan redistricting” because it seems that those evil conservatives may be starting to get an advantage, can’t have that, “wouldn’t be prudent”.

    “Campaign finance”, the “gun control” of politics. Disarming the law abiding so the thugs have easy pickings.

    A left wing trifecta of “issues” to solve the problem of conservatives in politics.

  22. Squid says:

    “Open primaries”, so the community organized left can choose both candidates for the regular election, for the fairness of course.

    What’s always bothered me is that they insist that you only vote in the district where you live. I mean, if we’re all agreed that Open Primaries are a good thing (and of course we are!), then we should also agree that the only truly open primaries are those in which the residents of workers’ paradises like Detroit and Gary can choose the candidates in Fort Worth or Salt Lake.

    And if you disagree, well, I can’t say that you’re a racist h8er flat-Earth neanderthal, but I can definitely observe that you have a lot in common with them.

  23. Slartibartfast says:

    Wait, David Frum? He’s that ‘no labels guy,’ right…?

    That made me LOL, just about. I’m at work, so I have to stifle.

  24. cranky-d says:

    If you’re going to have open primaries what you really need to do is to be able to vote for only one candidate, be he D or R or whatever party, but have the top 3 or four run in the main election. You still have to keep voting district-only. Also, Senators need to go back to being appointed by state legislatures, not elected by popular vote.

    I embrace my flat-earth racist h8.

  25. Squid says:

    Knuckle dragger!

    Ahem.

    Cranky, I suspect that you are comfortable around, and spend much time with, those whose knuckles drag on the ground when they walk. NTTAWWT.

  26. Mike LaRoche says:

    Buffalo jerky is delicious.

  27. Slartibartfast says:

    I prefer this Union Label vid.

  28. pdbuttons says:

    does green mean go?
    sorry-i’m all on my cell.let me just put on my blinker..
    i’m taking a left..
    look at me! i’m driving!
    [u insane?}

  29. Mike LaRoche says:

    The “No Labels” mascot should be a goose: loud, self-important, subservient.

    They should not be allowed to demean a proud American symbol like the bison.

  30. pdbuttons says:

    the’dragging of knucles’
    is a family tradition..
    why when u go the whole 3 stooges route
    everybody wants to be ‘curly’/nyuck-nyuck

  31. pdbuttons says:

    chicks and ducks and geese better scurry..
    sorry- i get an emotianal lump when..i hear that..
    6 degrees of separation..
    u know who the most goober actor who was besides?
    ron steiger!
    RON STEIGER!

  32. Entropy says:

    I’d like to know where No Labels stands on the 1990 Nutrition Labeling and Education Act.

    I don’t know why this Frum guy wants people with allergies or dietary problems to have a harder time finding food that won’t kill them but it doesn’t seem very nice damn it.

  33. Slartibartfast says:

    Rod Steiger

    philistine

  34. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The “No Labels” mascot should be a goose

    I vote for a windsock.

  35. BJTex says:

    So, dealing with the likes of David Frum, who is completely convinced that he has no label in politics, means that he and his squishy null-labelists are allowed to label all of those around them because … their null, dammit!

    And yet, reading the beige inspired idea stream pushes forth a wide variety of … labels!

    Demi-Partisan
    Smoke and smoke.
    Lack of a clue
    Hey, where’s the scenery?
    Any drink will do.
    Mac and cheese, low salt.
    Holy shit. NO MEDICAL PROBLEMS! WE DON’T CARE FOR THE LABEL!

    In other words, don’t have any passion for stands or thinking or announcements or drinking. Sit at home, review a copy of Barrons, swirl a scotch and remark that the carpet is just a teensy bit scarlet and thus wrecking the non-partisan easiness of decorum.

    This isn’t idiocy so much as high minded and aristocratic middleness. Bleah!

  36. pdbuttons says:

    hi bjtex-hope ur well’ i just drived thru a [wendys]
    fast food thing
    and my fries are warm!i blame….
    i dunno-
    how do u reheat fasty foody frenchy frys?
    i know u cant puts them in the microwave
    and i dont wanna up the stove for a measly-frenchy frys

    joan of arc never had it so good

  37. newrouter says:

    i vote wet finger in the air

  38. pdbuttons says:

    oh look
    they gave me holiday coupons[ but their fries were lame/limp] in my take away bag..
    free chicken sandwich/ with purchase of small fry and small coke..
    loser/next
    free! 152 lb meat with purchase of..medium coke and fry..
    annnck-later..
    buy one get one..annck[ put that in my-send to haiti box]
    and it justs gets worse..salads-chicken nugget things..
    2012-the mayan calender will free u
    pimply drive thru window girl
    the futures just a place

  39. Jim in KC says:

    The “No Labels” mascot should be a goose

    I vote for a windsock.

    Janus.

  40. pdbuttons says:

    goose migrate..
    i see them fly by-hear their calls..
    me?
    im just stuck in massachusetts..
    playing dumb

  41. Crawford says:

    The “No Labels” mascot should be a goose

    I vote for a windsock.

    Janus.

    A letter too many, by my reckoning.

  42. Entropy says:

    And yet, reading the beige inspired idea stream pushes forth a wide variety of … labels!

    I perused their website a few moments ago.

    I have this overwhelming feeling, just barely veiled throughout all the language, that these people are trying to stupify you. It like.. I don’t know even how to express it. Anti-rational. Full of contradictions and oxymorons… The whole pitch seems to be “check your brain at the door and ignore your entire life’s experience so we can sell you on these empty platitudes and shit, it’s fun, try it. Join us.”

    I mean, stuff like this:

    Sometimes it is important to step back from all of the individual issues, remove yourself from your views, beliefs, morals and prejudices, and look at the world from “Afar”.

    Forget about morals? Right and wrong… beliefs – who care’s what’s true. Seriously, folks, put all that aside. Forget about everything you think, apparently, because it will contradict this crap we’re about to sell you.

    Views, etc… no no, we need blank slates. In fact, it helps if you’re a vegetable. We’ll rebuild the bits we need.

    As I write this…I realize how ridiculous it sounds.

    I am glad he realizes.

    “How am I to remove myself from myself?” But really…try.

    Try. Yeah… good reason! “Just try”. Why? Because if I’m successful, my formally occupied but now completely vacant stare will fill itself with whatever nonsense crap you feed me?

    Umm….. No.

  43. poppa india says:

    So, John Avlon of CNN, who wrote a book “Wing Nuts: How The Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America” wants people to stop that unseemly name calling. You first, John.

  44. BJTex says:

    i vote wet finger in the air

    Wait a minute … two! Two wet fingers in the air! Painted scarlet and wet, baybee!

  45. Jim in KC says:

    A letter too many, by my reckoning.

    Janu?

    ;-)

  46. Crawford says:

    Entropy — gotta love the call to remove your morals before thinking about political issues.

  47. JD says:

    If one objectively notes that Fwum is a mendoucheous twatwaffly poofter, that is not a label, correct?

  48. newrouter says:

    is frumpy frum a label

  49. Mike LaRoche says:

    Is spartan romance RD/meya’s latest alias?

  50. happyfeet says:

    meanwhile propaganda whore Viv Schiller’s National Soros Radio has good news

    Tax On Sugary Drinks Could Help Middle Class Lose Weight

    Without going into all the numbers, it turns out that a 40 percent tax would work better at discouraging consumption than a 20 percent tax. The reduction in caloric intake would also be more dramatic if the tax covers more types of drinks, cutting down on the options for low-tax substitution. No surprises there.

    The benefits from such an approach, if it were to become politically palatable, wouldn’t benefit everyone equally, however. The analysis found that raising those drink taxes a lot wouldn’t significantly cut the weight of the wealthiest or poorest Americans.

    With all the talk about the deficit lately, one factor to consider is how much money the taxes could raise. The researchers estimate a 40 percent tax on a wide range of sugary beverages could raise more than $2.5 billion a year. Maybe Americans would drink to that?

  51. newrouter says:

    no labels

    The regime approached the US and suggested that the concert could help persuade Kim Jong-il to allow aid into the country.

    A “performance could be an opportunity to build goodwill,” the May 22 2007 cable said, according to the Guardian.

    It went on: “arranging an Eric Clapton concert in Pyongyang could be useful, given Kim Jong-il’s second son’s devotion to the rock legend”.

    link

  52. Entropy says:

    Seriosly, the propaganda on this website isn’t… that good. It’s kind of a joke. But all the same, read that article. It’s quite crafty. It’s like a giant Chewbacca article on tax reform. It says nothing, approximately, but is LOADED with coded signifiers all the same. “Buzz-words” I think they are called.

    And non-stop obsfuscation from start to finish. From “removing yourself from yourself”, to Denmark, to tax reform.

    Doesn’t that make sense?

    And how does he want to reform the tax system? I don’t know. He doesn’t actually say. He doesn’t actually say much of anything. I can see why we need to lobotomize ourselves before we read it.

    It’s all been very very carefully tailored to imbeciles.

    Take this:

    Our system penalizes the very thing that we want to promote: economic success. It seems counter-intuitive to me that we would tax the very thing we want to accomplish!

    Why yes! Yes it does! …. seem counter-intuitive. Does it actually do that? I don’t know. But it does seem a counter-intuitive thing to do. How does it do that?

    So what do you think about the possibility of reforming the way we tax our corporations, their employees and society in a way that actually promotes efficiency, value creation and corporate responsibility while moving away from the income tax?

    NEVERMIND how it does that! What do I think of promoting efficiency, value creation and responsibility while taxing income less? Awesome! How are we gonna do that???

    One version of this is drawn out by the staff at NewScientist in an article entitled “Life in A Land Without Growth”. This focuses on a sustainable plan for development which taxes waste and resource use heavily, while easing the income tax burden.

    This may seem revolutionary, but does it not also seem logical? Tax inefficiency and waste more and your income less.

    NEVERMIND how we’re going to do that! Tax waste, not income! Poll tested!

    Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with tax reform? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with tax reform! It does not make sense! Look at me. I’m a political pundit with a website, advocating for centrist tax reform, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you’re in that voting booth deliberatin’ and conjugatin’ the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed electorate, it does not make sense!

    The old ways of doing things have brought us economic catastrophe. Let’s take the opportunity to change the way we think about economic success, so we can balance the budget in a fair way, while promoting efficiency and best practices.

    And who could be against that!?

    How should we change our thinking? I don’t know. He doesn’t say.

    OR DID HE? He did tell us to forget all our thinking in the start. Maybe that’s the problem. Too much thinking, not enough platitudes! Empty thy head and join us in stupified bliss. STUPIFIED BLISS HAS ELECTROLYTES!

    What are electrolytes? I don’t know – he doesn’t say; but they’ve got them. And doesn’t it make sense that if they went and got them, they must be good? It would be counter-intuitive to go out and get something you wouldn’t want, logically, wouldn’t it? Seems so!

    Never mind suggesting the fact that Danes misunderstand us as evidence that our political system is broken. Of course that follows.

    Or that the fundemental problem with our politics is that it is all a compromise between the left and the right. And that a compromise between left and right does not represent the center. And the solution is for the center to insist on being uncompromising, and then advancing the policies of…. Both the left and the right, because they’re both right.

    Look – too much writing. I have a simplified method for enrolling people for membership in No Labels.

    Do you nod like some pavlovian mutt whenever someone says a word that has good connotations like wealth or efficiency?

    Do you shake your head and gasp whenever someone says a word that has bad connotations, like waste or burden, and wish people wouldn’t make you talk of such things, and wish someone would tell you who THOSE people are and how to get rid of them?

    Well, you are IN LIKE FYLNN motherfuckers!

    What I REALLY want to know, Mr. Frum, is what exactly are you planning to do with that army of vegetative morons, should you succeed in assembling them?

  53. The Monster says:

    Let me see if I have this straight. A bunch of people decided they didn’t want to be labeled “conservative”, “liberal”, “libertarian”, etc. … So instead they’ve come up with “No Labels”, um, label.

  54. Pablo says:

    I like the No Labels description of John Avlon:

    He is the author of “Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics” and “Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America.”

    No Labels, right?

  55. newrouter says:

    what’s “layla” in korean?

  56. Jeff G. says:

    I heard today, happy, that a study by Duke (?) said the tax would be largely ineffective, with an average weight loss of 1.5 lbs per year. Also, I already workout so that I can have my soda and stay (relatively) trim while doing so. If the government wants to give me a 40% cut on all my food items because I workout regularly, we can talk. Otherwise, fuck them.

  57. Entropy says:

    Rayra.

  58. newrouter says:

    Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America

    labels 5 yard penalty

  59. happyfeet says:

    I think this is the same study just with the happy ending thought of being able to raise lots of money for our government… they should have hit more on how the tax would be a blow to the inefficiency

  60. newrouter says:

    social engineers – control freaks that use gov’t greed to attain their agenda

  61. pdbuttons says:

    do south koreans
    plug in their eletric twangers
    and look over the forbidden zone.north
    and pluck ‘layla?’
    personally- i’d prefer an iggy pop song..
    i wanna be ur dog?

  62. Mike LaRoche says:

    maybe they pluck “i think i’m turning japanese”

  63. newrouter says:

    this week in the nfl – a bunch of people doing sumthing

  64. pdbuttons says:

    my fav prees conference
    when donny freakazoid godzilla tank rumsfeld..
    got a big ya map–showed a satelite pic
    and it showns south korea-all lit up with tommy edisons juice
    and up norte- all dark-
    and he just looked at them reporters
    with glee..
    spin it! ha.. there are known knowns,, ha..
    don rumsfeld..
    i like him!

  65. newrouter says:

    no labels = coffee party

  66. The Monster says:

    Upon further reflection… The entire premise of “no labels” is to demand that people refuse to do their basic cognitive duty. A functioning human brain takes observations of the characteristics of things, notes which attributes those things share and which differ, and assigns each new thing encountered a place in a hierarchy of classifications. We then can reason about how those things will act when we perform various manipulations on them.

    To deal with each object, state of being, or action that is presented to one’s senses as an individual without referent to any other things in prior experience or education is to be mentally arrested at a level beneath even a preliterate Neanderthal. Even the simplest animal brains perform a split-second calculus to determine whether something is food or poisonous, friend or foe, potential mate or competitor for same. Those that are incapable of doing so quickly become dead.

  67. newrouter says:

    no labels = astroturf

  68. Mike LaRoche says:

    no labels = no transparency

    For example, states (like Texas, unfortunately) that have “non-partisan” municipal elections, enabling some candidates to be less-than-forthcoming about their true political views.

  69. Entropy says:

    The entire premise of “no labels” is to demand that people refuse to do their basic cognitive duty.

    !!!!!!
    YES!.
    ^^^^
    this.

    Only like more literally and broadly then you meant it.

    No matter how much you meant it.

  70. pdbuttons says:

    i will get my address
    tatooed backwards on my forehead..
    so the cab driver can looky in rear view mirror,knows where to drop me
    off

  71. Entropy says:

    Jim Geraghty:

    No Labels: No Specifics, No Coherence, No Point.

    If I didn’t know better, I would think the whole “No Labels” movement was a giant, self-parodying prank.

    See? I’m not crazy. I read 3 pages of that stuff and they said NOTHING. Nothing except ditch the brain and praise the wookie.

  72. Entropy says:

    It’s a fuckin zombie movement people!

    Zombies are real!

    Except in reality, instead of “Brains, brains, braaaiiinns” it’s “No Labels presents a new way of thinking, so we can start a new way of talking and then produce new ways of acting” and “Move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom” and such which is suprisingly EVEN MORE ANNOYING after half an hour!

  73. newrouter says:

    “Move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom”

  74. geoffb says:

    On the left, every time reality of the hidden socialism catches up with their latest “label” they have swapped it out for another. Each new one has an ever shorter half life. This is an attempt to stop the second coming of Progressive from swirling down the drain before another “label” can be designed, tested and approved.

  75. pdbuttons says:

    don’t blame me
    i voted for kodos

  76. geoffb says:

    I would not have used swirl if I’d known newrouter was going to use twirl just above.

  77. newrouter says:

    MJ: How do we get to the tipping point where the rules change. Does it have to come from the very highest levels?

    Advertise on MotherJones.com

    VJ: The change has got to be top down, bottom up, and inside out. The federal government has to get off the bench.

    link

  78. Mike LaRoche says:

    “David Frum” – isn’t that name a label?

  79. newrouter says:

    “freedom” twirls like stalin twirls kulaks with proggs

  80. newrouter says:

    no frumpsters a “tool”

  81. pdbuttons says:

    fie fi fo frum.
    the guys a fag..
    .

  82. pdbuttons says:

    the guy is a stone cold pickle puffer
    what- u trying to get me to say
    nttawwt..
    sorry-he’s a FAG

  83. pdbuttons says:

    he drops for quarters..
    two bits

  84. pdbuttons says:

    u go inan donut shop’to get ur sugar fix..
    and then he buys a dozen cruellars and winks at u and then sticks them up his ass
    and then winks at u?
    sorry-i ..he is a..
    or he has fa..
    qaulities..

  85. guinsPen says:

    Buttonholer.

  86. McGehee says:

    You know who needs to be run out of the public spotlight? Patti Labelle. ‘Cause-a that’s foreigner for “label.”

  87. McGehee says:

    And those tattoos women get right over their ass cracks? Don’t call ’em “tramp stamps,” ’cause-a that’s a label. But then, so’s the damn tattoo.

  88. geoffb says:

    Love the picture.

  89. geoffb says:

    Althouse on “No Labels”.

  90. pdbuttons says:

    don’t know what this got to do with nothing
    but a story..
    my dad would sit in his recliner
    and everytime chritopher reeves would appear
    my daddy would say ‘fag’
    and then when mr reeves got in that polo-pony accident
    and got all crippledy- i said to my dad
    did u hear about christopher reeves? he broke his neck..
    and without a batting an eye-my old man said
    “he probably broke his neck,blowing some guy’
    i really miss my dad

  91. geoffb says:

    In the one dimensional left/right political spectrum which the “No Labels” folks see, the “Center” is a dimensionless point whose position, whose very existence is defined by the two extremes the “No Labels” wish to do away with.

    It’s as if they wish to go back in time and kill their own parents before they were born so as to be able to not be grounded on Saturday night.

  92. mathew1421 says:

    I want to believe that these people are not stupid.

    Really, I do.

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