I think as a presidential candidate, Chris Christie would make a great NJ governor. Not that he’s planning on running for another office anytime soon. Just, well, I want to be clear about how I view the conservative flavor of the month.
Because between his implied Ground Zero mosque support (or at least, his manner of chastising those opposing it), the Castle endorsement, the Palin-bashing, his weakness on real immigration reform, his erstwhile refusal to join the lawsuit against ObamaCare, and now the [alleged] support for anti-free speech legislation, I have strong doubts about his classical liberal bona fides.
There you have it. And there, too, you have the problem with asking that a candidate be staunch “only on the spendings”: there are plenty of other orifices on your body for a politician to find his opening.
So. Have at me. I can take it.
n.b. Look for this comment to wind up collected and cataloged by certain pragmatists to be marshaled against me at some later date to prove I demand “ideological purity,” and that consequently Glenn Reynolds says I’m a dummy head.
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update: another early endorsement
update 2: As Pablo notes in the comments, Christie’s support for the “bullying bill” is not a foregone conclusion. Having said that, we do know that Christie endorsed Mike Castle, who backed not only cap and trade, but introduced the DISCLOSE Act.
nicely said I think except I think you’re being a tad hypersensitive about the “Palin-bashing” … she’s certainly not a whit more presidential than he is I don’t think if you take a hard look at their qualifications
I agree that he’s doing just fine in NJ, staring down the unions and other assorted rent-seeking thugs. He makes a wonderful role model for other governors whose states are likewise wrapped around the progressive axles. He’s doing what needs to be done in that place at that time.
I didn’t hear her on Jimmy Fallon bashing someone on her side just so she could pick up a bit of liberal acceptance.
Having said that, this post is not about Palin, and if you keep on, I’ll start deleting your comments. We know what you think about Palin. You tell us every day, at least 25 times a day.
we all have our speech codes I guess
If you’d asked me to choose one thing on Jeff’s list that the electric vermin would push back against, I’d *never* have guessed it to be that one. Shocka!
she’s certainly not a whit more presidential than he is
And what does “presidential” mean, feets? Care to list some qualities that go beyond your mere preferences?
if you take a hard look at their qualifications
What, that like Christie, Palin also stared down the rent-seeking thugs in Alaska and refused to be a “team player” with her own party?
Perhaps what you want in a president is someone who isn’t so divisive.
Ok, ignore my last, feets. We’re talking about how being staunch on the spendings isn’t enough to make a good Classical Liberal.
At least one Y chromosome, would be a decent first guess.
‘feets, you have the right to free speech, not a captive audience. In someone else’s house, no less.
Looks like Gov. Christie is a staunchiest-of-the-staunchy tax collector for the welfare state.
NTTAWWT. For the governor of a welfare state.
Are you saying I have denied you your speech here? Really?
Electric vermin speech code:
10 BASH PALIN20 BASH PALIN30 NON-SEQUITUR40 BASH PALIN50 BASH DARLEEN60 BASH PALIN70 BASH PALIN80 BASH PALIN90 STAUNCH!100 BASH PALIN110 BASH PALIN120 BASH PALIN130 BASH PALIN140 CUPCAKES!150 GOTO 10Not the most elegant code, but you can’t expect too much of a deranged hamster.
That should be unanimous. As for the bullying bill, that’s not a foregone conclusion.
He gives good town hall meetings, but he obviously doesn’t have deep convictions across a broad range of issues.
nb = nota bene?
Remind me again why I do this?
Instead of deleting the moron’s comments, delete the moron.
Think about this: he contributes less to the discussion than alex.
You wish you could quit us.
Remind me again why I do this?
For the pie.
Which, there hasn’t been much around here lately. You might want to look into that.
You do this for the crazy blog money and universal right wing accolades, silly.
Pie? I thought he did it to keep the armored rodent from humping his leg.
Btw, filling in the ignorant on the meaning of “nb” counts as a good deed for the day.
Yeah, the Castle endorsement told you just about all you would need to know about Christie.
Pablo,
I looked at the comments at that link, and it seems they’re all whining about Christie being the bully.
Ironic, isn’t it? Teachers unions bully governments and parents for years, and when someone pushes back, THEY’RE the bully
Ahhh, “n.b.“. So it is nota bene. Thanks.
This is why drawing politics out on a single dimensional line such as right-left leads to bizarre results. It is multidimensional and just having one point in one dimension in common still leaves an infinity of others that may be close or not.
This complexity is not bad but is a good thing. It is the authoritarians who attempt to squeeze it into a simple form for their own purposes
No, that’s par for the course. I’m sure there’s a psychological term for it, but it’s essentially someone so used to getting their way running face-first into their own tactics.
Look at the screams of “racist” from the race-hustlers for another example.
When I was a kid, pushing other kids around and then whining when someone pushes back, was the definition of a bully.
BTW, alex finally got a comment on his Pub post.
Since accusations of “racist” aren’t working for the left so much anymore, they’re moving on to “bully”. They seem to think people on the right don’t have the stones to administer the cure for “bullying”.
Oy, I read the update link. W endorses Romney for 2012??
When is Texas declaring independence?
Not W, but GHW.
Don’t try reading or commenting when you think you hear potatoes boiling over.
Heh, that‘s funny, McG.
Pie thread sounds very Thanksgiving.
I think your criticisms of Christie are a bit hyperbolic.
I’m at work and can’t listen to the audio so maybe I am missing the big dig at Palin. But I am having trouble understanding how the remark quoted in the article (“it’s an amazing world”) lives up to the author’s characterization of it as a “swipe at Palin”.
His reluctance to join the lawsuit against Obamacare was, as he put it, born out of a desire not to waste money in a battle he thought he couldn’t win. This does not make him a supporter of Obamacare.
Does he support the anti-bullying law? If so, that’s a real problem. But everything I can find on the subject, including your linked article, merely says that the law is about to land on his desk. I have yet to see a quote from him in support of the law. I don’t believe he has signed it yet.
On immigration reform, he is certainly vague, though he claims to favor a federal solution rather than a state-by-state solution. I have not heard him advocate for the democratic “amnesty” solution, though the author of the article you post has helpfully translated his rather vague language into apparently incontrovertible evidence that Christie supports amnesty – advocating a “clear path to citizenship” is proof of such, in the author’s view.
Christie would probably have been a fiscally conservative Democrat 40 years ago. I like him because he isn’t afraid of looking bad, and of doing what he thinks is right. However, I agree that he doesn’t look to be presidential material. Then again, I think all the potential presidential candidates are lacking in some way, different for each of them.
A “claim” which is a total bullshit dodge of the question. The Arizona law recognizes the Federal law as setting the standards for legal residence; it simply enforces them where the feds refuse to do so. The “federal rather than a state-by-state” line of BS comes from the people who would prefer to maintain the status quo of the feds NOT ENFORCING THE ACTUAL LAW.
And, yes, in modern parlance, “clear path to citizenship” is mealy-mouth for “amnesty”, unless that phrase is modified to include “and it starts with them going home and getting in line like law-abiding people”.
The office of president has been forever diminished. Let’s keep it going and give the power back to the states. Then we can elect Chuck Woolery or Denzel Washington as prez.
I think perhaps that’s because you aren’t at work and can’t hear the audio.
Re: the anti-bullying thing, I noted that his support at this point is “alleged”; and frankly, I find someone who only fights battles they think they can win to be the precise wrong kind of candidate: engaging in a joint lawsuit may turn out to be a largely symbolic gesture (like, say, a moratorium on earmarks); but sometimes those gestures are the important flash points in revolutions. I never wrote that he actively supported ObamaCare. I wrote that I’m bothered by his “erstwhile refusal to join the lawsuit against ObamaCare”. Now you know why. And of course, there’s always the possibility that the suits can be won.
On immigration, he backtracked and “clarified.” It’s not difficult to be un-vague on the subject: you support what Arizona did or you don’t. And he backed Mike Castle, who himself had come out for anti-free speech legislation and cap and trade.
Again, Christie has plausible deniability. And I have the transitive property.
Crawford,
I’m sure you’re right. I don’t really follow that debate closely enough to understand all the evasive double-talk politicans use to discuss it. I certainly didn’t like the vagueness of Christie’s quoted language on the subject.
That was why I left that example for the last paragraph. I hope it doesn’t steal thunder from the preceding paragraphs, which I believe are much stronger.
I looked at the ingredients in the ready made Mincemeat filling and to my dismay found it has no meat nor fat in it. Faugh. That can’t be right.
And I have the transitive property.
Well, post-Kelo, sure.
Notwithstanding with his minuses, that Christie makes some good porn.
Even Hewitt calls it “Christ Christie porn.”
Without the extra T, of course.
I agree, dicentra. I usually watch those Christie videos, and I enjoy the heck out of them.
Stossel reminds us of the first failure of socialism on U.S. soil.
Pity that early lesson isn’t effing taught in the schools anymore.
While I personally like Christie’s combative style, he doesn’t seem to apply it across the board; to wit, the examples Jeff listed regarding joining the Obamacare suit, the immigration issue, etc.
I think that cranky-d tossed perhaps the most insightful pearl of wisdom before us in #36; Christie is in the mold of a conservative Democrat, fiscally conmservative and for strong national defense, who haven’t really existed for around 30 years.
He has a tough road to how in NJ, which in part leads to the apparent waffling or refusal to comitt on non-NJ, national, issues. That is to say, he can’t risk squandering the popularity he enjoys in NJ, that he’ll need to straighten out that state after God-knows-how-long of Democrat and RINO rule, by alienating his erstwhile supporters by taking positions on national issues that NJ Democrats who support him provincially will reflexively reject. Which may sound unprincipled to many folks here but is a reality when trying to reverse the ideological momentum of a state that’s been in the hands of the socialists for some time. He’s got to show them that conservatism works, before the many low information, and merely provincially oriented, voters come around to seeing that it can be applied to a national stage.
So does that make him a sellout? Maybe, I don’t presume to know what’s his strategy is.
And to be clear, all of this was not meant as an apologia for Christie. I take him at his word that he’s not running. And I’m disappointed that he would subtly dismiss the potential legitimacy of a Palin candidacy to a sneering lefty like Fallon.
But the bottom line is he ain’t runnin’ anytime soon.
Oh and JeffG.
Notwithstanding the whole “speech codes” thing upthread, I think it’s gacious of you to give happyfeet an early Christmas present by relieving him of the fear that you might like Christie; who he has also taken to task in many comment threads more than a few times-but not as much as, well, you know who…
But I guess you’re a giver like that :)
He has a tough road to how in NJ,
Forgive me, Bob, but it’s “a tough row to hoe,” a gardening metaphor. I wouldn’t say anything except that I’m fascinated by folk etymologies and also because I’m an insufferable fussbudget.
Bob —
If Christie wants to avoid speaking on national issues, he should probably avoid going on shows like Jimmy Fallon’s, yes? I mean, with that celebrity comes a certain set of conditions…
dicentra,
Pardon my typo. I’m very familiar with hoe’s, and I’m not talking about from my time on ships :)
There are many farmers in the maternal side of my family, and I spent a lot of time working the fields as a yoot.
But, I know you couldn’t resist. Maybe I’ll get a clerk/typist for Christmas!
I agree JeffG.
I don’t know what possessed him to go on Fallon’s show; especially since nobody watches it! But you’re right about anticipating the possible line of questioning, and can’t understand why he wouldn’t just shut up, or say something like, “I’ll leave that to the voters”, or, “I’m not following that, being busy in NJ”, or a zillion other things than what he said…
His disregard for Reagan’s 11th commandment disappointed me.
Remind me again why I give a damn about American politics. If Christie is a tool, well then screw it.
I don’t know that he’s a tool, JHo. Just that maybe he isn’t what some have been making him out to be — at least, on issues that don’t have much to do with spending.
Like I said, he makes a good governor for NJ. But he also appears to me like he greatly desires an invite to the Cape.
Sir, at their peril!
Pardon my typo.
Only if you pardon mine.
Which appear in this very thread. Lots of them. But I saw the word “road” and wondered if you’d heard “row” wrong.
I run into “radial” button instead of “radio” button when talking about GUIs all the time. Similar thing.
Christie got the usual wags excited by his no-nonsense attitude regarding Some Big Thing. This bought a ton of credibility with said wags, and he has to basically wipe his ass with an American flag before that credibility runs out.
Jeff G. is like the credibility IRS, taking payroll credibility deductions before the wags get to choose how to spend it, which makes wags go all >:-(
As a general principle it’s good to pop the rah-rah balloons at the wags’ personality parties. I support more of this.
Huh. Looks like Sweetzer summit is clear.
Time to drive to Boise for the turkeyfest. I’ll be tuning in from there later.
¡Buen provecho a todos!
Jeff, I’m wondering these days just who’s running the show. Then, given the lack of traction the classical liberals are having in making real tradition stand ground and not merely dissolve into laughingstock — see the problem of fiat currency collectivizing money and power in certain enclaves like socialism with a bullet, which if you bring it up you’re some kind of jackass truther — if we really care.
The recent elections were pushback and they barely pushed back. The cancer that is leftism is therefore just getting its next groundgame designed as we speak.
When you say the real work starts here, I wonder how much of it we’ll get done instead of heading back down to the tavern on our last check. Me, I think I’m kinda giving up. How do you fight a sea of lies?
Stossel reminds us of the first failure of socialism on U.S. soil.
Pity that early lesson isn’t effing taught in the schools anymore.
Did anyone catch Katie Zernike’s piece in the NYT? ‘Tis bad. Embarrassingly bad, if only Katie had any self-awareness.
I mean, who are you going to believe: the governor of Plymouth Colony, who kept a diary about what he witnessed with his own eyes? Or a couple of academy-trained historians and museum directors, who can provide a much more nuanced interpretation of events?
I’ve given up a million times. But ultimately I come back, because I recognize the consequences of surrender, and I have a young boy to worry about.
So we soldier on.
But there’s no shame in taking some time to get your breath back and rest. Especially when you are getting hammered from both sides.
Trust me on this.
Remind me again why I do this?
Because we’re adorable and our saucy antics are funny as hell.
…you just can’t quit us.
Plus, it goes both ways. Each time you do come back, we’re all still here.
Waiting.
I mean, we’re like a whole pack of Greyfriars Bobbys, except that the guy we hang around waiting for isn’t dead.
Hmm, that may not be the heart-warming metaphor I hoped it would be.
There is a sense in which our American thing requires it of us. Moreso politically, I think, than any other nation in the world has chosen to place in the hands of its citizens as yet. It’s who we are.
NG’s baby is still a tiny tiny little man and he changes colors like a chameleon. I think he has superpowers.
I think he has superpowers.
or he’s loading his diaper.
That was not intended to draw attention to my Obamatar.
but that was.
So I won’t have to answer the question “Grandpa, why didn’t you stop them?”
So long as his eyes don’t wander independently of one another chameleon-like he sounds like he’s good to go. Can NG teach him to be a new Calvin Coolidge SuperPowerMan? Cause I gotta feeling we’re going to need a few of those.
I’m not sure but you can tell he’s got big plans.
We won a significant battle on the 2nd, but a long war still stretches out before us. Fortunately, it’s a war that doesn’t involve getting sent away from our families for months at a time, sleeping on the ground and getting shot at. Going to the statehouse, or talking to newspaper columnists, or helping a local candidate may not be a hell of a lot of fun, but at least it doesn’t involve incoming artillery.
We will win this thing. We’re selling freedom and self-reliance. They’re selling “free shit,” but that’s only because they know that people won’t buy dependence and subservience unless it’s hidden well.
By all means, take some time off. Honestly, we made great strides three weeks ago — we deserve a breather. The next campaign will start soon enough, and I have no doubt that we will make further progress toward regaining our freedom and seeing our children’s future restored to them.
The old guard will listen and learn, or they’ll be replaced with people who will. Just you wait.
“frankly, I find someone who only fights battles they think they can win to be the precise wrong kind of candidate..”
Agree.
“..he backtracked and “clarified.”
I’m so tired of this and have vowed that the person I will work my hands to the bone for in 2012 is the person who doesn’t parse everything they say, so that they can hide what they really think. Or have that plausible deniability thing, “oh, no I never said that.” I am done with those folks. Give me the woman or man who stands up, says what they think, and lets the chips fall where they may.
I like Christie too, but New Jersey needs him.
You’re against Christ Christie? Hoochie!
Here’s the Sockpuppet’s views on the current batch of possible candidates for 2012, because, you know, WE CAN’T WAIT!
Palin– Bonafide conservative credentials, but outside the Republican base, convincing people that she’s got what it takes is going to be hard. Not to mention, her latest decision to not sit down with Couric is baffling. Even Zeigler is having trouble with it.
Romney– The best Republican to come out of Mass in a long time. The cons? He’s the best Republican to come out of Mass in a long time. Plus he’s still a Mormon, and that’s going to drive people towards Huckabee.
Huckabee — I don’t know what conservative credentials he’s got, but he’s a Christian, he plays guitar, and he’s lot a bunch of weight. But his support for the worst of Bush’s policies are not going to win a primary, much less a general election.
Trump– Um, no please. The guy is about as lovable as a pet porcupine.
Giuliani– Again, the East Coast Republicans are going to have a hard time with the center of the country, especially after his numerous marriages.
Pawlenty — Kind of a mystery. He has the charisma of a boiled potato. But he seems solid on conservative values.
Jindal — Smart, conservative, young and charismatic. He’d be someone that hasn’t had a polarized electorate, like Palin. Plus his actions with the oil spill are certainly commendable and put him on the populist side of the argument.
The drawback to all candidate is the notable lack of a Tea Party influence. With the exception of Palin, none of them have a big Tea Party presence. In order to court them, they’ll have to change their narrative from 2008 (for Romney, Huck, Rudy), and really make a splash in the case of Pawlenty and Jindal.
The major error I see in current “establishment” thinking is to look outside of the political class and find someone who can unite Republicans and Tea Party, capture the middle and crush Obama. Obama’s election proved you don’t need a lot of political experience to get elected. That can be a good or bad thing.
Obama’s issue is that he’s so smart nobody understands him. Well, that’s what we keep hearing. Obama’s real issue is that he’s so smart he’s stupid. Yes, that sounds like something Yogi Berra would say, but Obama’s so smart he’s arrogant. And he’s a narcissist. So, being President is natural for him, but the responsibility is not something he handles well because he’s not accustomed to being wrong.
And, because he’s a narcissist, he’s surrounded himself with people who adore him and can’t challenge him. The closest he gets is Ridge and Hillary.
So we need a Republican outsider who’s humble, smart, and and delegate well. From what I understand, Jindal is the closest we have, but I’m not convinced he wants to go beyond Governor.
If that’s the case, we need someone else to run. They won’t have name recognition, but we don’t need that if we can rally behind the candidate fast and promote them. This has to come from the RNC and the Establishment.
What Calvin said:
As a Minnesotan, let me disabuse you of any notion that Pawlenty is a leader. Sure, he held his own against a hostile tax-and-spend DFL Legislature, and he’s pretty good on TV, but he’s every inch the career politician, and most of his recent moves have been motivated by politics over principle.
You could do a lot worse, but you could also do a lot better.
Sage words from “Silent Cal” sdferr.
Jidal to Obama in Pay-per-View debate: “Mr. President, why was first thing on your mind when you landed in Louisiana the form letter we sent that you felt made you look bad? Did you come to the spill to chew me out for sending a letter, or did you come to lend your support to the people of LA? Because the first thing you did was chew me out. Why is that? Is it because you’re an idiot?”
That’s what I figured. Career politicians are not what the electorate seek.
fun-sized cal: A government which lays taxes on the people not required by urgent public necessity and sound public policy is not a protector of liberty, but an instrument of tyranny.
Other stuff Calvin said:
I think it’s Pat Sajak’s turn in ’12. And why not Vanna White as a running mate? Hell, she’s an improvement on Biden. Her smile’s prettier, and she knows when to keep her mouth shut and just do her job in the background.
That team is a proven winner, folks.
Plus, we can use our tax cuts to go prize shopping for ceramic dogs and then get the rest in a gift certificate.
That much verbiage attributed to Silent Cal is hard to credit. It’s like trying to say that George W. Bush can read, or that Sarah Palin is a serious person.
My whole concept of the man has been shaken. I need to go lie down.
Sajak? Maybe — but I’m more inclined toward Art Eubanks. We need a president who can pretend to look uncomfortable when the people around him say almost-but-not-quite-naughty things, but you know he thinks it’s as funny as you do.
George W. Bush is a great reader he reads up a storm
Art Eubanks being Bob Eubanks and Art Linkletter’s love-child. Rumor has it Wink Martindale was hiding in the closet when the consummation occured.
Joker! Joker! Most Beutiful Black First Ladies for two hundred!
that should be spelt Bootyful.
Spelt. Now I’m hungry.
I agree with Palin’s decision not to sit with Couric again. She should give the MSM the same consideration they have given her: none.
Oops.
I wasn’t supposed to tell anybody about that. Now I have to give back the hush money.
Jeff, you do this because if you were single, you would totally get the girls.
Oh yeah, classical liberalism equals sex bomb.
[Voluntary Arrangements…Yeah!]
Jeff G. posted on 11/24 @ 10:07 am
Remind me again why I do this?
This is what we do, who we are.
“Live for something or die for nothing.”
“I agree with Palin’s decision not to sit with Couric again. She should give the MSM the same consideration they have given her: none.:
I’ll second Mike.
It would be like the US submitting to the UN’s human rights commission.
Why enable the enemy?
I wouldn’t criticize anybody for not “sitting down with” Katie Couric.
Katie Couric is a bitch is why.
link
Jeff, I don’t know why you do this, but I’m glad you do, and I honestly believe you are doing more good than you realize.
Your voice is needed.
another link
Not that you’re a 50 something, washed up actor. I just thought that the sentiment was appropriate.
baracky be 50 in 2011
I had to endure a lot of “Hate Speech” when I picked Ronald Reagan as one of my top presidential choices of 1976. I mostly did it to piss off my ultra feminist social studies teacher, but I was also happy to hear an optimistic politician who was not ashamed of his country.
I’m from Indiana, but know very little about Mitch. We are saturated with Chicago news. I definitely like what I hear but need to study more on Daniels. A Harley guy? I just found that out. So far he would be my choice.
Re: Christie – remember, he wasn’t even the conservative choice in the R primary. At the time, Christie was thought to be another Big Establishment RINO type. He had to fight a bitter campaign against (tea party fave) Steve Lonegan.
(Which, incidentally, is another example of the one-way street when it comes to conservative/establishment support. Lonegan actually pledged his support to Christie, in the interests of taking out the incumbent D, Jon Corzine. Unlike what happened with Mike Castle, Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Christ, et al.)
Christie turned out to be a wonderful surprise, far better than anyone would have imagined. But there’s little evidence that he’s a “conservative”; he’s a guy who’s willing to say “budgets have to balance” and “we can’t raise taxes, people will just leave — gotta cut spending”. Which (rightly) makes him a staunchy hero in today’s politics.
I liken him to a classic big city machine Democrat from 40 years ago, like Rizzo or Daley, from before the Democrats went insane. “Shit’s gonna get done, the trash is going to get picked up, and we’re going to do it my way.”
And more power to him. I’d take him as my Gubernator (replacing Fast Eddie Rendell or even our new R-elect Tom Corbett) in a heartbeat.
But not necessarily R presidential material. We could do worse (see 2008), but we could do better…
Sadly, Christie is no friend of the 2nd Amendment either.
That’s a pretty good indicator of someone’s position on personal freedom and responsibility. Not surprising for a Northeast blue-state pol, but still….
Christie is more than likely a liberal capitalist, but he just showed up, so I’m with Jeff. The dude I’d really like to see win would be Mitch Daniels. Like Christie, he’s a governor. His state (Indiana) works and is currently running a surplus. What convinced me is his reading list:
http://fivebooks.com/interviews/mitch-daniels-on-how-libertarians-can-govern
Cons: No one has ever heard of him. His name is Mitch Daniels, Mitch. Daniels. Might as well be Wonder White Bread, only people have heard of Wonder Bread.
Still, he’s the most liberal capitalist of the bunch. I’d like to see Palin run if only to keep Romney out.
I’d like to see Palin run if only to keep Romney out.
You’d deny Mike Huckabee his Raison d’être? What kind of heartless bastard are you anyways?
Haley Barbour. I had him picked to run in ’08 and he didn’t.
Mr. jackson you’re bang-on about Mr. Daniels.
He’s the man of the flippin’ hour I think.
I admire Palin’s willingness to venture a non-conventional approach to the dirty socialist media.
Marketing 101.
1. Drive up demand and increase your leverage over the market then dictate terms that are most beneficial to your product for the nationwide rollout.
2.Never negotiate from a position of need and always seek out the other side’s weaknesses.
Face it, she’s the “It” grrl and Katy and company are trying to find a way to get a piece of the market action.
Even a little Pikachu should recognize that.
Christi is not the classical liberal Neo, or Jesus, or even Mohammed. Or even a guy who swallowed all three of them.
Anybody but Huckabee