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Grappling drama follow-up

…And how it applies to you.

Yesterday, I linked to a few pieces exposing what is an ongoing fraud within the submission grappling community. I noted at the time that the entire affair has limited appeal to most of the readers here, but today I want to walk that back a bit: it turns out that what we are seeing is “consensus history” in action — a manifestation of Chomsky’s manufactured consent being constructed and fortified before our very eyes.

And the way that is being done is by control of the Wikipedia entry on “catch wrestling”. As was noted in the posts I linked:

And — perhaps most egregiously — Shannon and his Scientific Wrestling followers have begun shaping history itself to sell their products: the Wikipedia entry for “catch wrestling” focuses almost entirely on the Japanese and Wigan influence on MMA; Cecchine — who essentially re-introduced catch wrestling to this country, and who then popularized it through his Lost Art of Hooking series, is routinely “edited out” of the entry, along with Lou Thesz, who actual historians will tell you was not only a “hooker,” but one of the greatest catch wrestlers who ever lived.

By removing Cecchine and Thesz, Shannon and Scientific Wrestling are able to establish Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson as the only “legitimate” lineage to hooking — this, despite Thesz’s own connection to the Japanese pro game. And by doing that — by essentially writing history to suit their own agenda — they are able to install as the only legitimate heirs to the hooking tradition those whose trained in Japan.

And so we have the surreal spectacle of having long-time Cecchine boosters Erik Paulsen and Josh Barnett listed as famous practitioners of catch wrestling, while the man responsible for putting out the material they have long recommended is written entirely out of the history of catch wrestling.

In fact, the entirety of the American strain of catch is being written out of online history: by marginalizing Thesz and regularly removing any mentions of Cecchine from the Wikipedia entry, those whose agenda it’s been to control the narrative of catch wrestling are able to marginalize the one strand of catch wrestling they don’t control, namely, the American hook wrestling tradition.

And in so doing, they have effectively rendered “catch wrestling” synonymous with Japanese pro wrestling — introduced to Japan by Karl Gotch, who spent the majority of his professional life as an American pro wrestler, surrounded by the remaining few hookers his followers now seek to erase from the historical record.

It’s a perfect — and perfectly invidious — cycle of contrivance, but it’s been enough to fool any number of people who now treat “Coach” Shannon (as he is referred to these days) as an “expert” in something that he’s barely trained in — with that expertise supposedly proven by his having written himself into the history of catch wrestling using Lulu or some other self-publishing outfit, and then “editing” Wikipedia’s to create the perfect historical record for selling his own products and “proteges.”

I’ve managed to add Cecchine’s name back to the entry, but — as has happened countless times — someone will come along and remove it to preserve the perfect history they have finessed and forged to fit their economic purposes.

They rely on our not being forever vigilant — and on the knowledge that because so few people are really directly affected by such maneuverings, those who complain can be kept at bay. At least, so they hope people think.

But here, we see just how such things play out, even on this very minor scale: Wikipedia presents itself as a kind of “reference” text. And yet, the history it offers here is completed one-sided, riddled with errors, and driven by an agenda that comes down to nothing more than one business’s attempt to control a niche industry.

Your assignment, should you choose to accept: extrapolate out from this a lesson about both the mainstream press and “history,” as it is currently understood.

58 Replies to “Grappling drama follow-up”

  1. happyfeet says:

    I guess they’re using a program to send them an email or some other notice of when it gets changed… I used to have something like that on XP.

  2. LBascom says:

    I heard this fellow named Zinn died recently.

    I personally never heard of him before his timely demise, but from what I’ve gleaned from the discussion since, I figure he probably has a place in this discussion.

  3. Carin says:

    History as business. Zinn’s book does play a bit here, because he was economically tied to promulgating its central idea. He couldn’t merely defend them purely from a historian’s perspective. He wouldn’t have been able to peddle his “People’s History – the comic book” or “The People’s History – the stage play” if it was debunked.

    Al Gore comes to mind too. Truth. History. Shambles.

  4. sdferr says:

    “…extrapolate out from this a lesson about both the mainstream press and “history,” as it is currently understood.”

    What, again?

  5. Silver Whistle says:

    History, as it is understood by one of the progressive retards that was around a few days ago:

    But to compare the left wing ideologies foreign countries in the early twentieth century to modern Liberalism – the New Deal and Great Society – is utterly silly. It is akin to comparing John McCain to Adolf Hitler – a very silly contrast any way you slice it or dice it.

    These memes have taken deep root, and the leftbots spew them out, and truth has scarcely got its boots on.

  6. Hadlowe says:

    Ooo, an analogy contest.

    Scott Brown was elected because the people of Massachusetts were upset that they would have to pay for Virginian’s health care. They want that sweet sweet government intrusion all for themselves.

    Even more recent, Obama’s #1 priority has always been a three letter word. J-O-B-S.

  7. Spiny Norman says:

    I’ve managed to add Cecchine’s name back to the entry, but — as has happened countless times — someone will come along and remove it to preserve the perfect history they have finessed and forged to fit their economic purposes.

    Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.

    The Orwellian machinations at Wikipedia would be risible if it weren’t taken seriously by a substantial majority of its readers.

    What was the name of the “scholar” who was policing everything on Wikipedia even remotely involving “climate science” and banning any user who dared disagree with him? It became enough of a public scandal that the Lords of Wikipedia had to cancel the guy’s Admin privileges.

  8. B Moe says:

    I’ve managed to add Cecchine’s name back to the entry, but — as has happened countless times — someone will come along and remove it to preserve the perfect history they have finessed and forged to fit their economic purposes.

    Looks like it is already gone.

  9. JHo says:

    …truth has scarcely got its boots on.

    When it operates, truth operates in a morally asymmetrical environment. Just to state the obvious.

  10. Spiny Norman says:

    Here we go: William M. Connolley.

  11. geoffb says:

    Cranky D was asking about programs that people need in an earlier thread. How about one that not only notifies you that a particular wiki entry had been changed but makes it as easy as possible to change it back, one click easy. Call it Wiki-War. Even chaos is better than lies spread as truth.

  12. Kakistocrat says:

    You do know your edits were reverted automatically by a bot, don’t you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:70.57.30.117

  13. Spiny Norman says:

    A bot? Great. Doesn’t that completely defeat Wikipedia’s supposed purpose?

  14. sdferr says:

    I see one thing labeled XLinkBot on a page of 50 edits attributed variously to screen-names or urls, and some of these edits remove and others re-emplace information about Cecchine.

  15. dicentra says:

    They rely on our not being forever vigilant, whereas they are tireless in their mischief.

    Human entropy appears to be as relentless as the second law of thermodynamics: You can never sweep the kitchen floor so perfectly that it never needs sweeping again, and when it comes to those who would rule over you, you can never turn your back on the bastards.

  16. JD says:

    linking wiki is silly.

  17. Silver Whistle says:

    I could cope with a bot if it looked like Liz Hurley, but not if it had autofire nipples.

  18. dicentra says:

    The bot explains:

    Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn’t be included in Wikipedia. I removed the following link(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utgKgoHjfXg (matching the regex rule byoutube.com). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. a sound or video file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia’s copyright policy and therefore probably should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file. Video links are also strongly deprecated by our guidelines for external links, partly because they’re useless to people with slow internet connections.

  19. bh says:

    I’m still reading up on this a bit. (As you know, Jeff, I have a totally different background and find some of the history and terminology confusing at times.)

    But, three things. First off, there’s something to be said purely for efficacy. I’ve modified some submissions from Tony’s advice and they’ve worked better. Case in point. That isn’t what I was taught yet it works, really well. He clearly knows what he’s talking about.

    Second, as I mentioned on the other thread, that Jake Shannon guy doesn’t pass the smell test. Scientific Mind Control? C’mon, the guy’s a huckster, it’s obvious.

    Third, just messing around with Google a bit this afternoon it seems pretty clear that this rewriting of history is as intentional as you say. Not just wiki. Google auto-suggest even. Then the links. Tony’s clearly been Google-bombed. But, what’s funny, then you go look at some of those links and you come across people saying how much they learned from The Lost Art of Hooking or how they liked his approach to the scarf hold or the like.

    Okay, forth thing. Joe Rogan is a nut. Don’t believe me? Check out his twitter. There isn’t a piece of bullshit out there that guy hasn’t fallen for. Moon landing? JFK? The truth is out there, Joe, now get back into your isolation chamber and find it!

  20. Kresh says:

    This is exactly why I have ignored Wikipedia as a resource for anything except (computer/video) games.

    To paraphrase Penny Arcade, any system of reference where the truth is decided by the guy who yells the loudest and longest is going to have issues with accuracy.

  21. David R. Block says:

    Gee, I wonder why my daughter cannot cite Wikipedia in her papers for her graduate courses.

    NOT

  22. dicentra says:

    In other news, Krauthammer pares it all away down to the pith. Again:

    [The Democrats] understand [Massachusetts] through a prism of two cherished axioms: (1) The people are stupid and (2) Republicans are bad. Result? The dim, led by the malicious, vote incorrectly.

    New York Times columnist Charles Blow chided Obama for not understanding the necessity of speaking “in the plain words of plain folks,” because the people are “suspicious of complexity.” Counseled Blow: “The next time he gives a speech, someone should tap him on the ankle and say, ‘Mr. President, we’re down here.'”

    Then there are the emotional deficiencies of the masses. Nearly every Democratic apologist lamented the people’s anger and anxiety, a free-floating agitation that prevented them from appreciating the beneficence of the social agenda the Democrats are so determined to foist upon them.

    That brings us to Part 2 of the liberal conceit: Liberals act in the public interest, while conservatives think only of power, elections, self-aggrandizement and self-interest.

    This belief in the moral hollowness of conservatism animates the current liberal mantra that Republican opposition to Obama’s social democratic agenda — which couldn’t get through even a Democratic Congress and powered major Democratic losses in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts — is nothing but blind and cynical obstructionism.

    By contrast, Democratic opposition to George W. Bush — from Iraq to Social Security reform — constituted dissent. And dissent, we were told at the time, including by candidate Obama, is “one of the truest expressions of patriotism.”

    No more. Today, dissent from the governing orthodoxy is nihilistic malice.

    For liberals, the observation that “the peasants are revolting” is a pun.

    Amen.

  23. Robert says:

    It’s a microcosm of a larger systemic attempt to rewrite history in general. Soon history will be nothing but a series of propaganda pieces dribbled out by the state run media. Welcome to 1984. Thanks Orwell.

  24. JHo says:

    Krauthammer is a sage.

  25. B Moe says:

    New York Times columnist Charles Blow chided Obama for not understanding the necessity of speaking “in the plain words of plain folks,” because the people are “suspicious of complexity.” Counseled Blow: “The next time he gives a speech, someone should tap him on the ankle and say, ‘Mr. President, we’re down here.’”

    He said that about Obama? Barrack Obama?

    When was the last time Obama gave a speech and used a word you couldn’t find in a 6th Grade vocabulary list?

  26. bh says:

    Hey look, Joe Rogan just fell for something new.

    His tweet.

    The actual story.

  27. Lazarus Long says:

    There’s a group on wikipedia dedicated to deleteing any heresy against global warming.

    As an added bonus, they can get the wiki administrators to ban anyone who doesn’t agree.

  28. Lazarus Long says:

    “I heard this fellow named Zinn died recently.”

    Good, another dead marxist.

  29. B Moe says:

    Hey look, Joe Rogan just fell for something new.

    A real affirmative action program might be to get Joe and some of his Progressive buddies to actually meet and hang out with some black folks.

  30. psycho... says:

    Wikipedia is a depressing illustration of how (say) fascism isn’t ideological (it’s without fascist premises, I mean), but more like an emergent property of…everything? Of people doing things. Of unindividuated goal-havingness, or the sum of individuated same (if summed). So everything, almost.

    That sucks.

    When was the last time Obama gave a speech and used a word you couldn’t find in a 6th Grade vocabulary list?

    The last time he mispronounced a word in a speech.

  31. BJTex says:

    The last time he mispronounced a word in a speech.

    Stop beating a dead “corpse,” psycho. ;-)

  32. Jeff G says:

    You do know your edits were reverted automatically by a bot, don’t you?

    I removed the Youtube link last evening and reposted the sentence or two. What is the bot’s newest complaint?

  33. JD says:

    It does not fit Teh Narrative.

  34. Jeff G says:

    Actually, I’m still seeing what I wrote after the bot told me not to post Youtube links. It’s under Mixed Martial Arts. Are you all not seeing it?

    Thing is, people have added similar info in the past and it has been edited out.

    The ‘bot edit is not what I’m talking about, as I made that correction. If, however, the info disappears again — as it has before, without bot interference — we’ll know what’s what.

  35. newrouter says:

    speak of “corpses”

    All through the campaign she was fighting it, but finally she succumbed to it. And she insisted she’s going to be buried in an Obama t-shirt

    link

  36. bh says:

    I see it.

  37. I am an enthusiastic albeit minor contributor to Wikipedia, and have been for years. Still, I share Jeff’s frustration, and therefore share Harlan Ellison’s much more intemperate expression of the same feeling, when the same thing happened to him:

    It is a stupid idea, deifying the urban myths and illogical personal twitches of anonymous know-nothings. It is the raising to the level of notice, the blathering and meanness of those who formerly had an adequate and appropriate soapbox on the corner, but who now have the aid and abettment of worldwide broadcasting. It is the enabling of half-witted and jejeune autodidacts who truly believe every paranoid conspiracy opinion they foam up in their brain-basin is worthy of dissemination, and is as “valuable” as real facts and Britannica-researched real information. […]

    EVEN AFTER I played their silly little game and spoke to the several creators of the site personally, and then spent an hour or so revising and submitting an accurate (evenhanded, non-ax-honing) revision…which lasted for about an hour till the anonymous brigands formerly of Enemies of Ellison realized their long-posted scurrilous CRAP had been deleted…and they just punched in the previous CRAP all over again. And the Wizards of Wikipedia giggled, shrugged their shoulders and said, “Well, see, that’s the idea of Wikipedia. Nothing is permanent.”

    NOTHING IS PERMANENT???!!!!!!???????

    gEEZus bleedin’ whatever, this flies in the face of every basic instinct of the human race. The Great Wall of China, the Tower of Babel, the Great Library of Alexandria, the World Trade Towers, the Pyramids, the Eiffel Tower, all of Shakespeare’s and Faulkner’s and
    Shirley Jackson’s writings, the begetting of children … TO LAST, TO BE PERMANENT (even in the face of the futility of “eternal” permanence)(to defy death and the eroding sands of time, to leave a mark, to have BEEN HERE), to create that which does not slip and slide and fall away beneath our feet. To be permanent, as best it can be so.

    IMpermanence = chaos.

  38. Am I to understand you don’t despise Chomsky?

  39. JD says:

    Not that Weisdouche turd-burglar again. Sheesh.

  40. sdferr says:

    No, impermanence does not equal chaos. Really, that is nonsensical.

  41. Silver Whistle says:

    This Weisman is a satire wrapped inside of a parody masquerading as pastiche, or am I wrong?

  42. JD says:

    Or a nozzle of douche. Take your pick.

  43. JohnAnnArbor says:

    Look under the “history” tab to see what’s been done and when. You can compare versions there, too.

  44. dicentra says:

    No, impermanence does not equal chaos. Really, that is nonsensical.

    Impermanence of what? Clouds? Trees? Critters? Civilizations?

    None of them are permanent.

    But if you can’t even rely on Han shot first or any of the Stuff Jefferson Said (4th. ed), then that, my friend, is the very soul of chaos.

  45. cranky-d says:

    Not only did Han shoot first, I would have expected nothing less of him.

  46. Kresh says:

    Not only did Han shoot first, I would have expected nothing less of him.

    It also showed him to a an artiste with a mere blaster. Myself? I would have emptied the clip (power cell?) into the greene twerp, then stomped the charred remains into paste. ‘Cause Greedo was a punk Bitch.

    Talk down Han Solo? Talk down Han ‘frikking Solo? A heaping bowl of Fail, drowned in Weaksauce.

  47. wikietoughie says:

    so a wikipedia edit war huh. wow.

  48. bh says:

    so a sarcastic blog comment huh. wow.

  49. Alan Kellogg says:

    What strikes me most about American wrestling is that it’s the only mainstream activity where hooking and catching are celebrated instead of condemned.

  50. cynn says:

    Yo yo Alan: You might have the wrong magazine.

  51. cynn says:

    nd the kickass references.

  52. Joe says:

    wikidickless is full of little hench-bitchs who will change your entry a few times and then accusing you of violating the 3x or POV rule. I am surprised they do it to catch wrestling, but in any political issue, watch out, the libtards spring from the digital matrix like an army of fast zombies.

    A perfect example is this wikipedia entry. Jesus, when it was first started it got erased and mangled a few times, then finally it stablized.

  53. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Your assignment, should you choose to accept: extrapolate out from this a lesson about both the mainstream press and “history,” as it is currently understood.

    If yous denies reality, brose, ‘youse is history’, just like the mainstream press corpse and soon the Obama Corpse.

  54. Spiny Norman says:

    wikidickless is full of little hench-bitchs who will change your entry a few times and then accusing you of violating the 3x or POV rule.

    Lords of their own make-believe domains. Something like winning at “World of Warcraft” I guess. How proud they must be…

  55. Merovign says:

    Wikipedia is just misnamed. It’s not an encyclopedia, or a reference center, it’s just the world’s largest general-subject blog, holder of the Guinness record for Longest Sustained Pointless Argument.

    Anything that anyone actually has an axe to grind about is unreliable on Wikis, which means that anything you’d actually bother to look up, you’re better off looking somewhere else.

  56. Douglas says:

    I actually found it quite interesting, wouldn’t mind more links to the history of “hooking.” to tell the truth.

  57. Douglas says:

    …truth has scarcely got its boots on.
    Truth should wear slippers.

  58. Jeff G. says:

    Well, Douglas, that’s the point. You’re getting less links. In fact, you’re getting a very small part of the story — the one “owned” by a relative few.

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