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A Tale of Two Immigrants [Dan Collins]

I wonder whether Obama’s Aunt Zeituni’s being taken care of.

The other person, you’ve probably never heard about. Save your outrage for Wiggers.

Speaking of human rights issues–dingoes ate my baby. Reprise.

381 Replies to “A Tale of Two Immigrants [Dan Collins]”

  1. Bob Reed says:

    I wonder why Aunt Zeituni is still here?

    Someone needs to ask Obama that at his next town hall meeting…

    But if Booooooooosh! had been involved in a similarly embarrasing situation..?

    It would be question 1 at every press conference and white house briefing…

  2. JD says:

    When I saw the title, “A Tale of Two Immigrants” I thought it might be a compare and contrast of the treatment of Sotomayor and Estrada.

    Racist sexist homophobic murderers.

  3. happyfeet says:

    That Prince Harry gaywad should do something about his fascist loser country instead of running around popping balloons with his ass I think.

  4. Sammy says:

    What’s a Wigger?

  5. Jeffersonian says:

    But Dan, that Iraqi dude is known to associate with confirmed murderers and rapists, aka the Marines, whereas Aunt Zeituni is contributing to the Beautiful Rainbow Tapestry of Diverse America.

  6. JD says:

    Ask Robert Byrd (Democrat – KKK)

  7. SarahW says:

    More detail in the Telegraph about the UK mother/baby case link.

    The mother, Sarah Pullen, is pictured. There was an initial assessment now contested, that the mother had learning disabilities that would interfere with saftety of her premature baby, who did require operations and complex care.

    She was appointed an attorney when she was found to be unable to keep up with legal issues and developments, a finding she is now contesting.
    The difficulty is the court will not revoke decisions made on her behalf by her counsel, who did not challenge adoption proceedings. The ball was set rolling by him and now that she is judged competent by another expert, they are unwilling to undo that appointed attorney’s decisions.

    It would be a shame to steamroll a competent mother away from her own baby and I hope she is given a proper hearing.

  8. Sammy says:

    What’s a Wigger?

    Ask Robert Byrd (Democrat – KKK)

    He says he doesn’t remember any more. Vote Obama.

    So what’s a Wigger?

  9. Dan Collins says:

    You know Elvis Costello’s “Oliver’s Army,” Sammy? Go read or listen to the lyrics.

    But it’s also a reference to the GITMO detainees, Uighurs, that the Justice Department did a 180 on.

  10. Jeffersonian says:

    Wiggers

  11. JD says:

    Isn’t it fun when the trolls play the intentionally obtuse card?

  12. Sammy says:

    Ah, Uighurs. I know what that is. Why does Dan keep saying Wiggers?

  13. sdferr says:

    Just guessing Sammy but it could be so folks like you will ask, “Why does Dan keep saying wiggers?”

  14. Sammy says:

    Just guessing Sammy but it could be so folks like you will ask, “Why does Dan keep saying wiggers?”

    Why would Dan want that?

  15. Dan Collins says:

    Something about the hypocrisy of not being able to close down GITMO, because nobody in Congress wants them released in their territory, even though they’re not at all dangerous and have been held unconscionably.

  16. JD says:

    They are just peaceful little splodeydopes, Dan. They were peace lovin’ goat fuckers prior to Bush’s illegal war of aggression and for oil.

  17. JD says:

    I denounce myself.

  18. Dan Collins says:

    Thanks. I was hoping you would, JD. How was dinner at that place named after the Portuguese guitarist, anyway?

  19. Sammy says:

    Something about the hypocrisy of not being able to close down GITMO, because nobody in Congress wants them released in their territory, even though they’re not at all dangerous and have been held unconscionably.

    The people held in Gitmo are Uighurs. You said Wiggers. Why?

  20. SBP says:

    Do you know how to keep a moron in suspense, Sambot?

  21. Dan Collins says:

    To demonstrate what happens when one values the symbol more than what it represents.

  22. JD says:

    I ate my body weight in dead animals, Dan. It was a religious experience.

    Why is Teh One continuing on with Bush’s immoral and illegal policies?

  23. Sammy says:

    To demonstrate what happens when one values the symbol more than what it represents.

    Huh? I don’t get it. What symbol? What does it represent? I still don’t see why you write Wiggers. You’re obviously not afraid to type, so could you spell it out for me?

  24. N. O'Brain says:

    “Huh? I don’t get it.”

    Soooprise soooprise soooprise.

  25. Dan Collins says:

    Let me spell it out for you, Sammy. If I type “Wiggers”, I’m obviously racist, because of the verbal association. If Obama and the Justice Department, and many members of Congress, state that these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO, deprived of their rights, but are unwilling to provide them sanctuary in the United States, that’s less awful than a pun.

    See how that works?

  26. LTC John says:

    Keep running into the wall at full speed, Sammy, you are making Dan’s point everytime you do.

  27. Sammy says:

    Let me spell it out for you, Sammy. If I type “Wiggers”, I’m obviously racist, because of the verbal association.

    Ok, so there’s two things here. You’re using Wiggers – a racial slur – to bait someone into calling you a racist. At that point you can respond with fake outrage.

    If Obama and the Justice Department, and many members of Congress, state that these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO, deprived of their rights, but are unwilling to provide them sanctuary in the United States, that’s less awful than a pun.

    My understanding of the position is that, from the perspective of a threat to the US, these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO, and deprived of their rights. Assuming that’s true, they aren’t automatically entitled to US citizenship as a consolation prize. I believe that’s the administration’s position.

    Personally, I don’t have an enormous problem sending them to China, as they’re Chinese citizens. The fact that the Uighurs are not excited about that option, because they were training to commit terrorism against China, isn’t really my problem.

  28. JD says:

    Your “understanding” is an overly broad interpretation of what people commonly associate with actual understanding.

  29. SBP says:

    these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO

    “Abused” how?

    Be specific, Sambot.

  30. Bob Reed says:

    But I don’t understand Sammy,

    Explain how wiggers is a racial slur…

    I mean, it refers to, you know, white folks; unless I’m mistaken…

    And we all know that white folks can never/b> be victims of racism…

  31. Dan Collins says:

    They’re not Chinese citizens. They were battlefield detainees from Afghanistan.

    I’m not going to respond with outrage; but I will respond that they’re being treated as symbols rather than as human beings. The tokenism is on the part of the left, in this instance. The gap between the administration’s rhetoric and its pragmatism is on fair display for everyone to see, in this and many other instances.

    I don’t know what else to say about it. I think that it’s realistic to say that they can’t be released into the US . . . because of the, um, you know, terrorism.

  32. happyfeet says:

    I am worried how Jeff is not here so persistently.

  33. Dan Collins says:

    hf, I’m going to take a flyer and guess that Jeff has an opportunity at this moment to do something financially important for his family, and that is why he’s been gone so much.

  34. JD says:

    As I said, Dan, they were innocent peace lovin’ goat fuckers before the evil Zionist US military removed them from the battlefield. Clearly, they only want to be splodeydopes for Chinese infidels, that is why they were in Afghanistan.

  35. Dan Collins says:

    True enough, JD, but the archetypal Wigger is certainly Disco Stu.

  36. mcgruder says:

    Rather OT:
    a really nice piece on Bill Buckley by Brookhiser in today’s WSJ online.

    Yeah, I hear you HF. Some big doings recently, would have thought he’d darken the door.

  37. Sammy says:

    Explain how wiggers is a racial slur…

    I mean, it refers to, you know, white folks; unless I’m mistaken…

    And we all know that white folks can never be victims of racism…

    Ah, thanks so much for pointing that out. Alex, I’ll take pejorative slang terms for $200.

    these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO

    “Abused” how?

    Be specific, Sambot.

    Another good point. I’ll retract “abused” and substitute in “held as political prisoners”.

  38. Dan Collins says:

    And none of those progressive Dems can find it in his heart to welcome the political prisoners into his bailiwick? Terrible. Tsk, tsk.

  39. JD says:

    “held as political prisoners” is the new euphemism for training with AQ in Afghanistan? Who knew?

  40. Sammy says:

    They’re not Chinese citizens. They were battlefield detainees from Afghanistan.

    They’re not mutually exclusive terms. I believe they’re both.

  41. Wm T Sherman says:

    Propose that they be released in the districts of any member of Congress who said they were innocent and abused. Let said members of Congress explain why this is not acceptable.

  42. SBP says:

    substitute in “held as political prisoners”.

    Combatants captured out of uniform are “political prisoners”?

    According to whom?

    Not the Geneva Conventions, that’s for sure.

  43. happyfeet says:

    That’s great news I think. I will patiently await his return.

  44. SBP says:

    #33: excellent news, Dan.

  45. Sammy says:

    “held as political prisoners” is the new euphemism for training with AQ in Afghanistan? Who knew?

    Well, they’re not convicted of anything and held solely at the discretion of the president. I’m not sure what else you’d call it.

  46. Dan Collins says:

    Ugh! You guys don’t understand the strategy, which is to forward the minor objections to the characterization first, then, once your opponent commits to an extremist definition, bring in the big stick. Always keep the big stick in reserve.

  47. Bob Reed says:

    Sammy,

    You attempt at a glib and pithy response was charming and all, but you still didn’t answer the quetion…

    How is wigger a racial slur..?

  48. SBP says:

    Well, they’re not convicted of anything

    And Sammy’s ignorance appears yet again.

    There are two possibilities under international law, Sammy, and neither one involves “convicting” them of anything.

    1) They’re unlawful combatants, captured while under arms without wearing unforms or insignia. They’re not entitled to a trial of any sort, and can in fact be summarily executed. They *may* be given a military trial, but there’s no requirement for such. Contrary to popular belief, the “out of uniform” thing isn’t something that Bush invented.

    2) They’re legitimate POWs, in which case it is illegal to put them on trial under the Geneva Conventions. They can, however, be held until the cessation of hostilities. Have the hostilities ceased, Sambot? Hint: no, they haven’t.

  49. Rob Crawford says:

    “held as political prisoners” is the new euphemism for training with AQ in Afghanistan? Who knew?

    Works for Mumia.

  50. Bob Reed says:

    Thanks for the info Dan,

    It’s nice to hear that things may be looking up for Jay-Gee

  51. Rob Crawford says:

    1) They’re unlawful combatants, captured while under arms without wearing unforms or insignia. They’re not entitled to a trial of any sort, and can in fact be summarily executed. They *may* be given a military trial, but there’s no requirement for such. Contrary to popular belief, the “out of uniform” thing isn’t something that Bush invented.

    In this case, the uniform issue is immaterial. They admit to having served and trained with al’Qaeda, an organization that violates the laws of war as policy.

  52. sdferr says:

    Assertions that the Uighur detainees at GTMO aren’t threats to the US and only out to seek to harm China are, to put it bluntly, so much made up crap.

    Furthermore, if it is proposed that they pose no threat to the US such that they should be released into our society, what greater threat do they pose to Denmark, Norway, Spain, Italy, Germany, etc. through the list of NATO? Yet these nations will not take them (though Albania, of all places, took five some time back).

  53. Wm T Sherman says:

    Say Spammy, if they had been fighting in uniform on behalf of some state when captured, would they be released now, or held without charge indefinitely until the end of the war?

    After the war endended and said soldiers were released, would they be highly likely to continue violent attacks on the United States and its allies, or would they go home and get on with their lives?

    In fact they were captured while fighting on a battlefield on behalf of no state, in no uniform. Does that protect them from being held? Are they more free to go than a POW?

    They are neither fish nor fowl, neither soldier nor common criminal. They aligned themselves with a non-state group that has launched large-scale attacks on the United States. This is the situation they have chosen for themselves.

  54. ghost707 says:

    So is Sammy saying that Obama is abusing detainees at Gitmo?

    Sammy, why are you hatin’ on the Obama-man?

  55. Ric Locke says:

    OK, Sammy, let me squeeze all the juice out for you. It’s a “joke” (I’m sure you’ve heard of the concept) on several levels.

    Level 1: the fact that it’s a joke at all, because of course us wingnutz are incapable of humor.

    Level 2: “Wigger” is actually a fair phonetic approximation of “Uighur”, as pronounced by a native English speaker. It’s fairly obvious that if you replace the initial consonant with a nasal, you get something unacceptable in “civilized discourse”. Thus the strain to say “oooeygur”, at which you should laugh and laugh.

    Level 3: The individuals so designated were “detained” on the battlefield by US troops, who considered them “unlawful combatants”. The proper disposal of unlawful combatants under the Geneva Convention is to shoot them out of hand, so pious declarations that they deserve “due process” are mealy-mouthed ways of accusing US troops of war crimes, meaning that anyone making such declaration(s) while pretending to “support the troops” is a lying fuck.

    Level 4: The fact that the pious declarers are also unanimous in not wanting them turned loose here reveals that the PDs are objectifying the Uighurs in exactly the same way that users of the nasal initial consonant objectify black people — they are of no interest whatever as people, only as something to beat political opponents in the head with, which does not fully accord with the rest of the Peace Love and Brotherhood message.

    There are a couple of other, lesser connotations involved, but that’ll do to advance your understanding somewhat.

    Regards,
    Ric

  56. Wm T Sherman says:

    Until they’re free!

    Obama, close the Guantanamo Bay prison like you promised! We’re counting on you! The detainees are in our thoughts every day! We shall demonstrate wearing hoods and orange jumpsuits! We shall scream that you are a fascist!

    Until they’re free!

  57. Pablo says:

    My understanding of the position is that, from the perspective of a threat to the US, these are innocents who’ve been abused in GITMO, and deprived of their rights.

    Really? Do you suppose these al-Qaeda trained soulus/soldiers would be a threat to US/NATO/Afghan troops in Afghanistan? Because that’s pretty much the point of taking prisoners in combat..to get and keep them out of the fight.

  58. Rob Crawford says:

    Ya know, it’s arguable that releasing the Uighur jihadis would, itself, be a crime against humanity.

  59. Pablo says:

    Well, they’re not convicted of anything and held solely at the discretion of the president. I’m not sure what else you’d call it.

    We used to call them “Prisoners of War”. But let’s just say they’re Detainees for the Prevention of Man Caused Disasters.

  60. Rob Crawford says:

    Well, they’re not convicted of anything and held solely at the discretion of the president. I’m not sure what else you’d call it.

    Legally, they’re nothing. They placed themselves outside the law by their associations and actions, and are not entitled to any of its protections. If you want us to treat them any other way, then you’d damned well be prepared to explain why we should abandon the Geneva Conventions.

  61. Dan Collins says:

    It’s not hilarious that they’re in this legal limbo, you know, because apparently they are human beings. It just tells you who Congress is that nobody who abjured Booooooosh is willing to come forward and accept responsibility.

    They have to go.

  62. ghost707 says:

    I propose that Sammy and his friends take in these detainees on a student exchange program, house and feed them and quilt rainbow blankets with them. Since Sammy thinks they are innocent little puppies, there should be no problem.
    What say you Sammy?

  63. Bob Reed says:

    And while you’re at it Sammy,

    I’m still waitin’ to hear how wigger is a racial slur…

  64. SBP says:

    I hear John Kerry has a few spare rooms on his place.

    So does McCain, for that matter.

  65. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by Ric Locke on 6/1 @ 1:27 pm #

    That was a thing of beauty, Ric.

  66. Dan Collins says:

    Bob, let’s put that aside for one moment. Now then, Sammy: if it’s so hard for the government to decide whether or not these detainees represent a danger, imagine what it’s like to be a soldier in a combat zone.

    Compassion? Yes? No?

  67. SBP says:

    I propose that Sammy and his friends take in these detainees

    I would be looking forward to the YouTube videos with much interest.

  68. ghost707 says:

    SBP,
    NBC could make it a reality show, but I suspect even they know the outcome (while not admitting it) that the show would only last one episode before the coroner is called to remove all the victims of man-caused disasters.

  69. Sammy says:

    Level 2: “Wigger” is actually a fair phonetic approximation of “Uighur”, as pronounced by a native English speaker. It’s fairly obvious that if you replace the initial consonant with a nasal, you get something unacceptable in “civilized discourse”. Thus the strain to say “oooeygur”, at which you should laugh and laugh.

    Aw shucks, that’s funny! But I’m not sure why you’d write it as Wigger, beyond race baiting.

    Level 3: The individuals so designated were “detained” on the battlefield by US troops, who considered them “unlawful combatants”. The proper disposal of unlawful combatants under the Geneva Convention is to shoot them out of hand, so pious declarations that they deserve “due process” are mealy-mouthed ways of accusing US troops of war crimes, meaning that anyone making such declaration(s) while pretending to “support the troops” is a lying fuck.

    I think you can execute them upon capture. I’m not sure you can pull them out of the brig 7 years later and just put a bullet in their head. I also don’t think if our military code lets soldiers execute people who’ve surrendered, but I’ll admit, I don’t really know.

    I also don’t know if these guys were pointing guns at our soldiers, or playing cards, at the time of their capture.

    I also believe our supreme court ruled that they were entitled to access the US legal system.

    Assertions that the Uighur detainees at GTMO aren’t threats to the US and only out to seek to harm China are, to put it bluntly, so much made up crap.

    Yeah! Just look at those Uighurs that Albania took! They’re a bunch of…US…people…killing…fuck’n…terrorizing…psychopaths, every one!

    Like I said, send them home to China.

  70. SBP says:

    I also don’t know if these guys were pointing guns at our soldiers, or playing cards

    So you think U.S. military personnel went to the trouble of capturing these innocent card-players, shipping them half-way around the world, and assuming the expense and general PITA-ness of guarding them full-time why, exactly? A joke? Sadism? What?

    Take your time.

  71. ghost707 says:

    Yeah, that’s how all those U.S. soldiers and civilians were killed, Al Queda and Taliban operatives playing cards.
    That’s the ticket.

  72. Ric Locke says:

    Dan (#67) — You, like Sammy, give the military too little credit.

    Take the average arrest, right here in the US. The cop collars the suspect, the paddy wagon picks him up, the jailer checks him in; the next time anybody’s going to ask why he’s there is when he appears in court.

    Contrast the military procedure. A couple of grunts capture the guy and bring him to the sergeant, who wants to know why it’s worthwhile to detail guards to keep him around. The lieutenant in charge of the company has the same question, and is going to look into it closely because he’s going to be short a couple people (the guards) in the next action — and because he’s got to write a report on how and why the captive came to be there. Very likely he’ll call in the first grunts, plus anybody else who knows anything about the situation, to confirm that this trip is really necessary.

    The major’s going to review that report, and if there’s anything suspicious in it he is gonna have a chat with Lt. Hooah and possibly with the grunts and their sergeant. Then the matter gets passed along to Command, where the colonel and his staff look it over, wondering why they need to provide room&board to this git. Their report gets passed to the General, who gets to decide whether or not to put J. Normal Wraphead on the plane for Cuba — which comes out of his budget, so he has an incentive to look the matter on with some care; and, like all before him, he always has the option of calling anybody below him in the chain to get clarification.

    The point of all that is that the “due process” objection is bullshit. Anybody at Gitmo has had his case reviewed no fewer than four times, possibly six, by people with the power to let him go and an incentive to do so because keeping him is costing them big-time. There is hardly a prisoner anywhere in the United States who’s had as much “due process” as those guys.

    Regards,
    Ric

  73. Sammy says:

    So you think U.S. military personnel went to the trouble of capturing these innocent card-players, shipping them half-way around the world, and assuming the expense and general PITA-ness of guarding them full-time why, exactly? A joke? Sadism? What?

    I thought a decent number of the people in Gitmo were captured and handed over to us.

  74. Rob Crawford says:

    There is hardly a prisoner anywhere in the United States who’s had as much “due process” as those guys.

    But the lawyers didn’t get their cut!

  75. Sammy says:

    Ric (#73)

    Unless, at some point, someone remembered those CIA guys who said, “Call us if you have anyone who might have info on Bin Laden.” So they call the CIA guys who say, “No problem, we’ll take these guys off your hands. Just help me get the hood over their head, and get’em strapped down in the C130.”

    And in the case of these Uighars, they figured out pretty quickly that they weren’t particularly threatening or useful, but figuring out how to get those kind of people out of Gitmo wasn’t a terribly high priority.

  76. McGehee says:

    But the lawyers didn’t get their cut!

    He’s got a point, Ric — these days that’s what “due process” has come to mean: process the revenue so the lawyers can pay their Bar Association dues.

  77. N. O'Brain says:

    “Like I said, send them home to China.”

    Where they’d be tortured to death.

    Real torture, not the San Francisco syntho sort leftists like to rant on about.

    Why do you hate little brown people so?

  78. Matt says:

    The irony is, if we just shot them on the battlefield, as is our right under the geneva convention, we’d avoid all of these problems. Well, except the moaning from Harry Reid and the calls of “murderers” from Kerry and Murtha.

  79. Matt says:

    Maybe they were cheating at cards so we took them captive. Ever tried to cheat a marine at cards ? It never ends well.

  80. Rob Crawford says:

    Where they’d be tortured to death.

    Naw. They’d be tortured until they tell the Chicoms who helped them get out of the country. Then they’d be put down with a shot to the back of the head.

    Then their surviving family members would get the bill for the ammunition used.

  81. Sammy says:

    Hey, they left China of their own volition to train in an Al-Qaeda camp and pick up “techniques” to use back home. The consequences of that choice are not the concern of my tax dollars.

  82. SBP says:

    I thought a decent number of the people in Gitmo were captured and handed over to us.

    And you think the alleged fact that these guys are “innocent” has escaped the military for several years (again, causing them to go to no end of expense and general PITA-ness) why, exactly? Incompetence? Sadism? What?

  83. Sammy says:

    Maybe they were cheating at cards so we took them captive. Ever tried to cheat a marine at cards ? It never ends well.

    LOL!

  84. SBP says:

    figuring out how to get those kind of people out of Gitmo wasn’t a terribly high priority.

    Yes, because there’s nothing soldiers like better than guard duty, and there’s nothing the military likes more than spending lots of money and tying up lots of people just to keep “innocent” Uighurs behind bars.

    Do you even bother to think before you post, Sammy?

    Now, I realize that if you buy into the Evil Empire AmeriKKKa POV bullshit espoused by so many of your fellow travelers, the military-as-Satan viewpoint might make sense, but you don’t strike me as being quite THAT moronic.

  85. Sammy says:

    And you think the alleged fact that these guys are “innocent” has escaped the military for several years (again, causing them to go to no end of expense and general PITA-ness) why, exactly? Incompetence? Sadism? What?

    Well, under Booosh, I think you can attribute leaving them in Gitmo to a certain, how you say, WhoGivesAFuck-edness. And the fact that it would require effort (on the part of the administration) to extract them vs. effort (on the part of some grunts) to feed them.

    Plus, Booosh didn’t want to hear the incessant whining from those railing against the injustice of sending them to back to the country, you know, that they’re citizens of. Plus the wingnuts on the right, wide eyed and hands waving, saying, “They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs.”

  86. Bob Reed says:

    Sorry to muddy the waters Dan,

    Living in mostly black neighborhoods my whole life, and my time at the Navy-a diverse organization indeed, well, let’s just say the whole identity politics thing gets my nose open in a hurry…

  87. Ric Locke says:

    Unless, at some point, someone remembered those CIA guys who said, “Call us if you have anyone who might have info on Bin Laden.” So they call the CIA guys who say, “No problem, we’ll take these guys off your hands. Just help me get the hood over their head, and get’em strapped down in the C130.”

    Bullshit.

    The General and his staff have a note from CIA about “special interest prisoners”. Very likely that note’s been passed down to Col. Manley and his staff, and included in Lt. Cool’s briefing before the company set out on the sweep. So the f* what? — it’s just another item in the review that decides whether that particular git is worth the resources to take him prisoner. The <sneer>suspect</sneer> was still apprehended by the military, and kept in military custody all the way up the line, with all the case reviews I described — and everybody in the chain has a vested interest in not taking prisoners, because prisoners are expensive. They have to be guarded, by guards, who are as much out of action as if they’d been shot; they have to be kept in compounds surrounded by barbed wire and other fencing, provided with housing, and fed regularly, all out of stuff that had to be transported in at enormous expense, both in monetary cost and in displacement of stuff the combat troops needed but didn’t get because prisoner support had to be provided.

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about, and filled in the blank by drawing on your own bigotry and stereotypical assumptions. Then you’re surprised as all Hell when it leads you to more and more uncomfortable and far-fetched conclusions.

    Regards,
    Ric

  88. Sammy says:

    Yes, because there’s nothing soldiers like better than guard duty, and there’s nothing the military likes more than spending lots of money and tying up lots of people just to keep “innocent” Uighurs behind bars.

    Do you even bother to think before you post, Sammy?

    Sorry, I thought that the whole point of commander-in-chief is that Boosh gets to say, “Build me a goddamn prison and guard these goddamn mother fucking terrorists.” And the military says, “Sir, yes sir, sir!”

    You’re saying, it couldn’t happen, because someone in the military would whine, “Do we reeeealy have toooo? I haaaaate guard duuuuty”

  89. Sammy says:

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about, and filled in the blank by drawing on your own bigotry and stereotypical assumptions. Then you’re surprised as all Hell when it leads you to more and more uncomfortable and far-fetched conclusions.

    Something tells me that, “OMFG! Chinese are training in Al-Qaeda camps!” Would be a little attention -getting.

  90. JD says:

    Haven’t y’all figured out that sammah has no interest in actual debate? It is a verbose actus. Nothing more. Mock and scorn.

  91. Abe Froman says:

    This thread is a textbook example of why arguing with someone like Sammy serves no useful purpose.

  92. JD says:

    It starts off seeming reasonable enough, but quickly devolves to arguing with childish caricatures in its head, as witnessed in its devolution above.

  93. Jeffersonian says:

    I dunno, Ric, maybe it’s just a matter of preference but I prefer the Peace Love and Brotherhood type of objectification to the fuck-you-nigger objectification of your ruralite brethren.

    Then get the kibbeh and hummus ready, Thor. We’ll have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed staying at your place in a jiffy.

  94. Ric Locke says:

    Well, under Booosh, I think you can attribute leaving them in Gitmo to a certain, how you say, WhoGivesAFuck-edness. And the fact that it would require effort (on the part of the administration) to extract them vs. effort (on the part of some grunts) to feed them.

    Again, bullshit based on bigotry.

    It’s not a case of the Geneva Conventions allowing them to be shot out of hand; it’s that the Geneva Conventions require them to be shot out of hand. That’s the enforcement method of the Conventions; it’s supposed to discourage people from becoming unlawful combatants in the first place. The prison at Guantanamo is the result of pusillanimous unwillingness to actually do the nasty stuff required by international law — instead of shooting them, they get a roof, three squares, and all the Koranic instruction they want. And here we have the vital distinction between “graves” and “prisons” — once in a while, people get out of the latter.

    …I prefer the Peace Love and Brotherhood type of objectification to the fuck-you-nigger objectification of your ruralite brethren.

    Which is to say, style rules substance. The two are absolutely identical — people are being denied consideration as people in favor of being used for the aggrandizement of the deniers. The appropriate phrase is “butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths.”

    Regards,
    Ric

  95. Sammy says:

    Then let me summarize. Most of you believe that those in Gitmo are highly screened, bloodthirsty killers, who will immediately plot their revenge.

    I think that Gitmo has some people who are committed to killing us, and we can’t let them go, and we don’t have evidence to prosecute. They’ll remain political prisoners under the guise of “they’re still at war”. I’m completely OK with that.

    I think there are some that we’ll try and prosecute (and hopefully convict).

    And there are some that are lowly foot soldiers, or innocents handed over by their local enemies, or just initially seemed too damn suspicious (like Chinese in Al-Qaeda camps).

  96. SBP says:

    Well, under Booosh, I think you can attribute leaving them in Gitmo to a certain, how you say, WhoGivesAFuck-edness.

    And BOOOOSH’s motive for ignoring requests from the military to release them would be…what?

    They’ll remain political prisoners

    Liar.

    Hint: recycling an already-discredited lie doesn’t make it the truth, Sambot.

    #

    Plus the wingnuts on the right, wide eyed and hands waving, saying, “They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs.”

    Big holes in Lower Manhattan, Sambot.

    Then let me summarize.

    And by “summarize”, as usual, you mean “lie and concoct a ridiculous straw man, because I’ve gotten my ass handed to me. Again”.

  97. Jeffersonian says:

    What a good sport you are, man. A liar, bootlicker and incompetent, but a great sport.

  98. JD says:

    KSM ain’t going to like you moving in on his goats, thor.

    We could have quit reading at the “let me summarize” portion of sammah’s comment. You knew what followed would be mendoucheous.

  99. nmcc says:

    Save your outrage for Wiggers.

    I might be wrong, but I think someone is a little cranky today.

  100. N. O'Brain says:

    “Plus the wingnuts on the right, wide eyed and hands waving, saying, “They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs.””

    Um, moron, they did kill us.

    3,000 of us.

    Does 9/11/01 ring a bell, Quasimodo?

  101. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 2:54 pm #

    Crazy and a racist.

    Shouldn’t you be off chasing little boys, whore?

  102. Sammy says:

    Um, moron, they did kill us.

    3,000 of us.

    Does 9/11/01 ring a bell, Quasimodo?

    Uighurs?

  103. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by Sammy on 6/1 @ 3:09 pm #

    Then let me summarize. Most of you believe that those in Gitmo are highly screened, bloodthirsty killers, who will immediately plot their revenge.”

    1/7th of the innocent little lambs that have been released immediately got back intot he terrorism business.

    “They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs. They’llKillUs.”

    Yep, that’s what they do.

  104. N. O'Brain says:

    “They’ll remain political prisoners under the guise of “they’re still at war”.”

    They’re not political prisoners and it’s no guise.

    Moron all the way down, this one.

  105. SBP says:

    Uighurs?

    Members of Al Qaeda, liebot.

    But you knew that. You’re just desperate at this point.

  106. Sammy says:

    1/7th of the innocent little lambs that have been released immediately got back intot he terrorism business.

    Does that count the 5 Uighurs in Albania?

  107. N. O'Brain says:

    “Uighurs?”

    al Queda, moron.

    Same thing.

  108. N. O'Brain says:

    “Does that count the 5 Uighurs in Albania?”

    al Queda, moron.

    Same thing.

  109. nmcc says:

    Does 9/11/01 ring a bell

    Sure does with me. It pretty much killed the last vestige of the “Republicans are strong on defense” meme.

  110. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by nmcc on 6/1 @ 3:52 pm #

    Does 9/11/01 ring a bell

    Sure does with me. It pretty much killed the last vestige of the “Republicans are strong on defense” meme.”

    Bill Clinton: 8 years.

    George Bush: 8 months.

    You were saying, moron?

  111. Sammy says:

    I’m happy to give Bush a 1 year mulligan, assuming that the rightwings will grant Obama the same.

    Since they squeal every time he talks about a problem his administration inherited, I’m not sure we’ll get the same consideration.

  112. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by nmcc on 6/1 @ 4:15 pm #

    You were saying, moron?

    Apparently you are saying the buck stops with the previous administration.”

    Yep.

    Because the Clinton administration treated terrorism as a law enforcement issue.

    IOW, weak on national defense.

  113. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by Sammy on 6/1 @ 4:18 pm #

    I’m happy to give Bush a 1 year mulligan, assuming that the rightwings will grant Obama the same.”

    The reactionary left gave President Bush about 2 milliseconds before they started their relentless, drumbeat attacks.

    “Since they squeal every time he talks about a problem his administration inherited, I’m not sure we’ll get the same consideration.”

    They’re his now, sweetie.

    Deal with it.

  114. N. O'Brain says:

    Oh, one other thing:

    George Bush: 8 months.

    And no more domestic attacks on his watch.

    How many al Queda attacks did Clinto put up with? 5? 6?

  115. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 4:33 pm #

    Shouldn’t you be off stalking a playground or something, whore?

  116. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 4:36 pm #

    Is the restraining order still in place?

  117. nmcc says:

    And no more domestic attacks on his watch.

    No, because we relocated the venue for the additional 5,000 death bonus.

  118. N. O'Brain says:

    “No, because we relocated the venue…”

    Yeah, fucking brilliant, wasn’t it?

  119. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 4:44 pm #

    Are the police still examining your hard drive, whore?

  120. BuddyPC says:

    Animal Planet Newsflash: Woodward preparing book on Obama White House.
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=7894e8ce-9773-4792-b66d-b6acfdbc6521

    Larry O’Donnell has already pre-ordered on Amazon; reading quota met through November.

  121. Kresh says:

    No, because we relocated the venue for the additional 5,000 death bonus.

    Yep, at least this time it was them splodeydope types vs. actual armed US Soldiers, not mere unarmed civilians. Of course, those mere unarmed civilians did take out 25% of their operation with hot water and other improvised items, so it’s not as if we mere civilians are to be trifled with. We’re just slower to react.

  122. SBP says:

    We’re just slower to react.

    The first time, anyway.

    As you say, it didn’t even work on Flight 93 later on the same day.

  123. JHoward says:

    I’m happy to give Bush a 1 year mulligan, assuming that the rightwings will grant Obama the same.

    Wow, negotiation without a need to negotiate. Bzzzt. Wrong. Fail.

    Although I give you a point for the no-surprise part.

  124. Sammy says:

    And no more domestic attacks on his watch.

    How many al Queda attacks did Clinto put up with? 5? 6?

    What were the 5-6 Al-Qaeda domestic attacks?

  125. N. O'Brain says:

    “Well sure, if you’re Dick Cheney railing against the imminent death of neo-conservationism.”

    Huh? I’m talking about the war on terror and you suddenly come up with “LOOK A SHINY SPOON!!!!~`~!1`”

    Good job, moron.

  126. N. O'Brain says:

    I said “attacks”, not “domestic attacks”.

    Yet another “LOOK A SHINY SPOON!!!!~`~!1`” moment.

  127. JHoward says:

    Whatever you say, Dr. Freud.

    He beat you senseless, thor.

  128. SBP says:

    What were the 5-6 Al-Qaeda domestic attacks?

    That’s it. Think that no one will notice that you inserted “domestic” in there.

    Hint: stupid and dishonest is no way to go through life, Sambot.

  129. Sammy says:

    I said “attacks”, not “domestic attacks”.

    Car bomb which went off near the United States embassy in Lima, killing 30.
    Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest.
    An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport
    Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160
    Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma
    Four attackers armed with grenades and machine guns attempt to storm the U.S. embassy in Damascus.

    But, you know, spotless, other than those.

  130. Sammy says:

    Oh, forgot the anthrax mailings.

  131. ghost707 says:

    I love it. Obama is employing the same exact measures as Bush to fight terrorism, except Obama has 2 Gitmos now – the original and the new one at Bagram AFB in Afghanistan.
    The left is beside itself on how to get out of this. Comedy gold.
    That community organizer is not working out for the lefties the way they wanted.

  132. SBP says:

    Now you’re going to pretend that N.O’B didn’t say “Al Qaeda”?

    Car bomb which went off near the United States embassy in Lima, killing 30. “Near”. No evidence that this was aimed at the United States, moron. Not Al Qaeda, either. Liebot.

    Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Deaths: zero. Not Al Qaeda. Liebot.

    An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport Aimed at Israel, not the US. Not Al Qaeda, as far as we know. Deaths: 3. All Israelis. Liebot.

    Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160. Not Al Qaeda. Liebot.

    Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma Deaths: 0. Not Al Qaeda. Liebot.

    Four attackers armed with grenades and machine guns attempt to storm the U.S. embassy in Damascus. and were unsuccessful. Liebot.

  133. Abe Froman says:

    Typical mendoucheous Sammyboi.

  134. bh says:

    Not OT:TrollHammer from SBP.

  135. LTC John says:

    #97 – you haven’t spent much time in or with the Armed Forces, have you?

  136. nmcc says:

    Comment by SBP

    You’re lying.

  137. LTC John says:

    Ghost, I had an awful time of it as the Bagram AF garrison XO – that facility is the SuXxor. But anything is better than the place the Afgans run, Pol-i Charki. That makes Papillion look like a vacation video…

  138. Carin says:

    I’m happy to give Bush a 1 year mulligan, assuming that the rightwings will grant Obama the same.

    Since they squeal every time he talks about a problem his administration inherited, I’m not sure we’ll get the same consideration.

    There is no “mulligan” in politics. The issue is whether or not the actions of the administration have any responsibility for the actions. Obama’s spendulous is in no way the fault of the administration. It isn’t doing Jack Shit, and we’ve mortgaged our children’s future. Because of spendulous, and the bailouts – you know, Action/reaction. What Obama is DOING is making people nervous. Businesses, banks, investors.

    So, no. He came into office after years of the Dems bad mouthing the economy – doing their damndest to drag it down. So, bravo. They got what they wanted!

  139. SBP says:

    nmcc: Buh-bye.

  140. Dr. Freud says:

    He beat you senseless, thor.

    Yes. He whooped that ass quite thoroughly.

  141. Carin says:

    Oh, and can we please start talking about how Gas is, once again, approaching 3 bucks!? I can only imagine how horrible it will be once Waxman has his way.

  142. Pablo says:

    Oh, and can we please start talking about how Gas is, once again, approaching 3 bucks!?

    Damn, how is Bush still doing that?

  143. SBP says:

    Just in: Arkansas recruiting station perp was a recent convert to…guess what religion?

  144. JD says:

    Sammy gets some company and goes full monty. Nice.

  145. Sammy says:

    I guess I’m not sure what he said, and I’ve even quoted it.

    And no more domestic attacks on his watch.

    How many al Queda attacks did Clinto put up with? 5? 6?

    Are those two sentences related? There were domestic and international terrorist attacks on Bush’s watch. Does it only count if they’re also Al-Qaeda? (I guess your less dead if someone else blown you up?)

    On Clinton, I think we have:

    World Trade Center (1st time) – Not Al-Qaeda
    Unabomber – Not Al-Qaeda
    Oklahoma City – Not Al-Qaeda
    Olympic Park Bombing – Not Al-Qaeda
    1998 Embassy Bombings – Al-Qaeda
    USS Cole – Al-Qaeda

  146. Carin says:

    SBP … Mormon? Gosh, this is hard.

  147. SBP says:

    I was thinking Amish or Quaker, myself. Imagine my surprise.

  148. JD says:

    SBP – Given their reactions to Tiller, it is fair to blame sammy, nmcc, Olberfuckface, and MadCow for that murder, isn’t it?

    Not that I expect an honest answer from the trolls, but I am curious about 2 things – 1) Do they forget that they were disparaging Bush as having stolen the election from before he took office, as this idea that he had som kind of honeymoon is pure fantasy, and 2) without the aid of retrospect, if you were President, and someone handed you a piece of paper saying AQ determined to strike in US, what would you have done?

  149. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by LTC John on 6/1 @ 5:50 pm #

    LTC, you’ll be happy to hear that Matt the Marine arrived back safe and sound to Camp Lejuene yesterday. 3/8 , SMAGTF-A, was replace by a full battalion, handover happened on the 29th.

    Of course they messed up all our plans because we’re going down on Weds.

    I do believe that’s the first time in history that a military scheduled arrival happened on time.

  150. SBP says:

    The AP is spinning it in the lede as the gunman having “political and religious motives”. You need to read all the way down to paragraph 5 to learn that the gunman’s name is Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. Clearly a Zen monk, yes?

  151. SBP says:

    I’m so glad to hear that, N.O’B.

  152. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by SBP on 6/1 @ 6:00 pm #

    But if he was Amish, it would have been a clop by shooting.

  153. JD says:

    Woo Hoo ! I am happy for you and yours, N.O’Brain.

  154. Bob Reed says:

    N O’Brain,

    Congratulate and thank Matt and his fellow marines for all of us…

    My nephew too was rotated out of Iraq 2 weeks ago. After a month of leave his unit will be rotated to…Kansas! What a change of scenery…

    Thank God for their safe return; May He watch over all our fellow countrymen in harms way…

  155. Sammy says:

    He came into office after years of the Dems bad mouthing the economy – doing their damndest to drag it down. So, bravo. They got what they wanted!

    8 years of Bush, Republicans controlling the Congress most of the time, and it’s the fault of…. wait for it… Democrats. Of course.

    When Bush got elected, I said to a buddy of mine, “I hope the Republicans get the Congress too. Then there’ll be no one else to blame.” Apparently, I was wrong. And so goes the party of personal responsibility.

    Oh, and can we please start talking about how Gas is, once again, approaching 3 bucks!?

    Damn, how is Bush still doing that?

    8 years of absolutely zero effort to (a) reduce demand, and (b) invest in alternatives. If you know some supernatural way to get more than about 81 mbd out of the planet, now’s a good time to speak up. (ANWAR would add 0.8 mbd at its peak.) Of course you loonybins will claim that if we just got out of the way, we could pump all the oil we’d ever need.

  156. SBP says:

    I’m glad for you, too, Bob.

  157. newrouter says:

    Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad

    out of control amish folks once again

  158. SBP says:

    8 years of Bush, Republicans controlling the Congress most of the time, and it’s the fault of…. wait for it… Democrats.

    Yes, sheer coincidence that all the shit happened after the Dems regained control in 2006.

  159. N. O'Brain says:

    Correction….

    2nd Marine Expeditionay Brigade took over from 3/8.

    Not battallion.

  160. bh says:

    Fantastic, N.O’B.

    Hey, happy to hear that about your nephew as well, Bob.

  161. SBP says:

    8 years of absolutely zero effort to (a) reduce demand, and (b) invest in alternatives.

    1) Demand isn’t going to go down. Ever. Even if Blowbama forces us all onto pedal-powered generators, India and China aren’t about to reduce their energy usage.

    2) We already have an “alternative”. Too bad your fellow superstitious savages won’t let us build it.

    Hint: it’s called “nuclear power”. It’s safe, cheap, and sustainable.

  162. Pablo says:

    World Trade Center (1st time) – Not Al-Qaeda

    Wrong. You also missed Khobar Towers (1996) – al-Qaeda

  163. newrouter says:

    is Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad a compatriot of Malik Zulu Shabazz,

  164. N. O'Brain says:

    “8 years of Bush, Republicans controlling the Congress most of the time, and it’s the fault of…. wait for it… Democrats. Of course.”

    Yep.

  165. SBP says:

    Also, Sambot, we’ve seen what happens every time someone tries to build a large-scale “alternative” energy plant.

    The superstitious savages try to get it shut down.

  166. N. O'Brain says:

    Best of luck to him, Bob.

  167. Pablo says:

    Congrats, N.O’B. Please extend thanks to Matt.

  168. newrouter says:

    why do some black people like arab slave culture?

  169. Sammy says:

    So we have a doctor and a recruiter killed by religious fanatics over 2 days. What’s that saying?

    Good people do good things and evil people do evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

  170. Carin says:

    We’re not talking Bush, are we? We’re talking the here and now. Try to focus. You folks wanted a stalled economy and now you’ve got one. Own it.

  171. SBP says:

    Neither one of those crimes was perpetrated by a “good person”, Sambot.

  172. Carin says:

    Read that on a bumper sticker, Sammy?

  173. Read that on a bumper sticker, Sammy?

    BUMPERSTICKERIST!

  174. JHoward says:

    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Almost as often as evil people do good things out of religion. Ya narrow-minded bigot.

  175. N. O'Brain says:

    “But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

    You’re right.

    Socialism has killed more people in the 20th and 21st centuries than any other cause.

  176. Carin says:

    No, I love Bumperstickers. It lets me tell the crazies from the normal folks.

  177. Sammy says:

    it’s called “nuclear power”. It’s safe, cheap, and sustainable.

    SBP, on this one, you and I couldn’t agree more. FWIW, I like massive hydroelectric dams too. Fuck the salmon. If I have to choose between their civilization collapsing, or mine, well, I’m gonna miss those tasty fish.

  178. N. O'Brain says:

    From sammies car:

    “100,000 lemmings can’t be wrong.”

  179. Abe Froman says:

    Shut it Sammyboi. I’m still at a loss as to why all the smart progressives – which doesn’t include yourself, obviously – have spent years shooting their mouths off instead of putting all the research talent in the “party of science!!” together with all the financial geniuses and engaging in some old-fashioned risk/reward capitalism. Is the gubmint your mommy and daddy?

  180. LTC John says:

    #176 – or a Kennedy complains it may spoil his view.

    #160- did they throw some thermite over their shoulders when leaving BAF?

  181. N. O'Brain says:

    I love this one:

    “I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather….
    Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car….”

  182. N. O'Brain says:

    “I don’t get hot flashes, I get power surges”

  183. JHoward says:

    Sammybigot, as consistently dead-headed wrong as you are, seriously, where’s the introspection? Where’s the shame? Where’s the shining light radiating out from such a magnanimous, self-evident, sterling character? Why all the tripping, the deceit, the doubletalk, the sheer dishonesty?

    Wouldn’t you, just once, look at that mirror and ask why? Failing that, how about how? How is it that virtually everything you’ve spouted since arriving has been shot thru with hole after hole after hole? Wouldn’t that give you the slightest pause?

  184. Sammy says:

    We’re not talking Bush, are we? We’re talking the here and now. Try to focus. You folks wanted a stalled economy and now you’ve got one. Own it.

    Yeah, that’s one hell of a white elephant gift from the departing party-in-power.

    Neither one of those crimes was perpetrated by a “good person”, Sambot.

    I dunno, strip away their zealotry, and I think we’d have a doctor and a recruiter still living. Unless you think their religions are inconsequential, in which case, why’d you bring it up?

  185. N. O'Brain says:

    “Also, I never get tired of the seasonal “drill here” chorus, which was forever clashing with the equally seasonal “makes no econmic sense” reality.”

    I gotta feeling that you and reality are not eally close friends.

  186. newrouter says:

    Fuck the salmon. If I have to choose between their civilization collapsing

    yes fish have “civilization”.

  187. alppuccino says:

    Comment by Sammy #166:

    I said to a buddy of mine,

    Good one.

  188. JHoward says:

    why do some black people like arab slave culture?

    Having witnessed that question, kindly allow me to denounce me.

  189. N. O'Brain says:

    “Yeah, that’s one hell of a white elephant gift from the departing party-in-power.”

    WRONG, SOCIALIST BREATH!

    It’s yours.

    Own it, revel in it it, roll in it.

    Like a dog in poop.

  190. N. O'Brain says:

    “There’s too much blood in my caffeine system.”

  191. Carin says:

    I dunno, strip away their zealotry, and I think we’d have a doctor and a recruiter still living. Unless you think their religions are inconsequential, in which case, why’d you bring it up?

    But, it is their zealotry that is the problem.

    We’re not talking Bush, are we? We’re talking the here and now. Try to focus. You folks wanted a stalled economy and now you’ve got one. Own it.

    Yeah, that’s one hell of a white elephant gift from the departing party-in-power.

    Oye, we’ve been over this.

  192. N. O'Brain says:

    “And, as I’ve said before, it’s never a good idea to put reality up for grabs. There may come a time when you need it.”

    -Mark Steyn

  193. Sammy says:

    I’m still at a loss as to why all the smart progressives – which doesn’t include yourself, obviously – have spent years shooting their mouths off instead of putting all the research talent in the “party of science!!” together with all the financial geniuses and engaging in some old-fashioned risk/reward capitalism.

    I think they founded Amazon, Oracle, Yahoo, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and most of the other startups down in the valley.

    Wouldn’t you, just once, look at that mirror and ask why? Failing that, how about how? How is it that virtually everything you’ve spouted since arriving has been shot thru with hole after hole after hole? Wouldn’t that give you the slightest pause?

    The only thing I can figure out is that I must be impervious to your hypocrisy.

  194. N. O'Brain says:

    “The only thing I can figure out is that I must be impervious to your hypocrisy.”

    Ooooooo, the hypocrisy card.

    Well played, sir, well played!

    But, well…..

    “The reason any conservative’s failing is always major news is that it allows liberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is the only sin that really inflames them. Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit back and criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simply renounce. It’s an intriguing strategy. By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites.”

    -Ann Coulter

  195. LTC John says:

    Carin,

    You should know better – The “departing party-in-power” was 2009 January, right? NOT as a result of the 2006 mid-terms!!!!!

  196. JHoward says:

    Also, I never get tired of the seasonal “drill here” chorus, which was forever clashing with the equally seasonal “makes no econmic sense” reality.

    wtf?

    Observe, Sammyreligionhater: Reform your ways before you hit 18 and you too shall never make such contradictory statements in public. You secprogs may be irrational but at least you’re deluded.

  197. Abe Froman says:

    I think they founded Amazon, Oracle, Yahoo, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and most of the other startups down in the valley.

    What do any of those entities have to do with alternative energy? You fucking moron.

  198. Carin says:

    Those last two years had nothing to do with it, LTC. Jenny Granholm just recently stopped blaming Engler for the Michigan economy, and he’s been out of office since 2002/2003 elections.

  199. Sammy says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha. He quoted ANN Coulter. Ha ha ha ha ha (breathe) ha ha ha ha

  200. JHoward says:

    It’s all Milliken’s fault, Carin. Get your facts straight. ;o)

  201. newrouter says:

    I think they founded Amazon, Oracle, Yahoo, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and most of the other startups down in the valley.

    that’s good all these people think like me.

  202. JHoward says:

    Answer 195, Sammychristianisthaterz. And justify the bigotry.

  203. Carin says:

    I’d stick with that tact if I were you Sammy. Attack the messenger, ignore the message. I know it’s the same approach people have with Rush, and while I (and most here) recognize it as a weak strategy to hide what you don’t know, it works often enough I’m sure.

    But, not here.

  204. LTC John says:

    #209 – they are potential customers for someone who might actally produce some energy?

  205. Sammy says:

    Answer 195, Sammychristianisthaterz. And justify the bigotry.

    Uh, see #205. If that doesn’t answer it, go comment on dailykos for a week. After they all tell you your wrong, I guess you’ll actually be wrong, just because they say so.

  206. #209 – they are potential customers for someone who might actally produce some energy?

    ssssshhhhhh, let us not speak of the server farms….

  207. Sammy says:

    I’d stick with that tact if I were you Sammy. Attack the messenger, ignore the message

    I know, it’s wrong of me, BUT HE QUOTED ANN COULTER! Ha ha ha ha ha ha…

    Really, who here will put up their hand and say, “That Ann Coulter really speaks for me!”

  208. After they all tell you your wrong,

    they tell people they’re wrong?! rather than just delete them? BWAH HA HA HA HA Haaaaa

  209. Bob Reed says:

    Sammy,

    We have great amount of oil, both offshor and in the tar sands out west. However, Obama and his minions will not allow the oil to be recovered from either of thise areas…

    Off the coast of Florida, inside the waters we claim as territorial, Cuba is liscencing the Chinese to pump oil where we refuse to extract it. Similarly, off the coast of California, where the infrastructure to pump product onshore is still in place, oil is not being pumped from wells that were cappped in the 80’s; regardless of the fact that California is broke and that the environmentalists decry the pollution of the oil that percolates through the sea floor-oil that would never be forced to the surface if it were pumped out of the already developed field that is sitting dormant…

    By all means do we need to conserve more, exploit nuclear and hydroelectric power sources as well as develop new types of transport fuels. But for society to suffer, mostly those folks at the lower end of the economic spectrum, because of the high demand price of foreign oil as well the added burden of cap-and-trade costs is simply unconscionable…

    Not to mention lining the pockets of folks who hate us…

    Why not extract what we have here at home while developing alternatives..? It would make sense in most rational universes; except of course the radical, AGW hoax driven ones…

  210. LTC John says:

    #219 – Indeed – the point is invalid if she says it, aye? If she said F = M*A,it would be untrue too…

  211. oh, and it’s “you’re”

  212. Carin says:

    Honestly, I haven’t beaten this drum lately, but is everyone aware of how AWFUL Jennifer Granholm is? OMG, does she suck. They had a conference last week – business folks and politicians (Debbie My-husband-picks-up -HOokers Stabenow didn’t show up ’cause she thought it would “look bad”) got together to attempt to figure out what to do. They do it every year, but obviously this year he had even raison d’etre. Anyway, everyone complained that there was – at the conference- basically NO leadership. Empty dress suit.

  213. JHoward says:

    Uh, see #205.

    Uh, see the last sentence in #205. Oh, ouch!

    Ask me how I did that. Really.

  214. JHoward says:

    Er, #208, religion-hater.

  215. Carin says:

    It had even more raison d’etre.

    Jenny gets me all …. FUCK HER WITH A SWORDFISH … and it’s hard to think.

  216. newrouter says:

    Really, who here will put up their hand and say, “That Ann Coulter really speaks for me!”

    waves hand

  217. JHoward says:

    Really, who here will put up their hand and say, “That Ann Coulter really speaks for me!”

    Really, who here will put up their hand and say, “That Ann Coulter, now she I can debunk with one bigot tied behind my back!”

  218. newrouter says:

    mt pants suit?

  219. Carin says:

    Ann Coulter speaks for me, as well. She’s out-spoken, but I don’t think she’s even a fraction as offensive as most lefties.

  220. nmcc says:

    I gotta feeling that you and reality are not eally close friends.

    I have a feeling most of your reality is derived exclusively from furious right-wing badgers with thumbs.

    Don’t believe for a second they actually care about happens to you.

  221. LTC John says:

    #230 – see, that is what Jeff always wanted PW for…that kind of insight, wit and serious thought.

  222. the UAW says:

    I know, it’s wrong of me, BUT HE QUOTED ANN COULTER! Ha ha ha ha ha ha…

    Really, who here will put up their hand and say, “That Ann Coulter really speaks for me!”

    Don’t know. I know who won’t try to refute what she said.

  223. the UAW says:

    You’re one delirious bowel-straining dump of stupid.

    How did you figure out how to fuck?

    Are you leading by example again, thor?

  224. B Moe says:

    Shit.

  225. Carin says:

    He won’t because he can’t. Just like most can’t refute Rush. they just attack him for whatever. His ideas? No thank you.

  226. RTO Trainer says:

    I’m not a fan of Coulter, but I’m not willing to state categorically that every word she says is false either. Sammy on the other hand…It’s all about the IDEOLOGY, I guess.

    No wonder arguing with him is hard–if he disagrees with your conclusions every thing you say is dismissable. Verrry reality based, I think.

    Because of the RATIONALITY!

  227. Bob Reed says:

    And with few exception, all of the businesses you mentioned in 205 are internet companies. While I enjoy the internet and find it an amazing communication medium it is simply that. It builds nothing, and does not employ large numbers of folks manufacturing anything tangible…

    I know that it is beneficial and a communication revolution, but it can’t fuel our economy like real manufacturing…

    with all due respect

  228. JHoward says:

    thor is the Nihilism billboard on the highway of life.

  229. LTC John says:

    Bah. astrobeefcake and friends have swirled another thread around the bowl.

  230. N. O'Brain says:

    “I know, it’s wrong of me, BUT HE QUOTED ANN COULTER! Ha ha ha ha ha ha…”

    So she’s right.

    “philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!11

  231. Carin says:

    I like Ann. She answers lefties in kind. We need more of that.

    And, with most of her arguments I’m in perfect alignment.

    Her books aren’t that terribly interesting …

  232. newrouter says:

    ann coulter makes chrissy’s head tingle with dementia

  233. JHoward says:

    thor’s alter ego gives back.

  234. SBP says:

    If that doesn’t answer it, go comment on dailykos for a week.

    Kos bans people in about three nanoseconds if they don’t agree with Teh Narrative, asswipe.

    If this place were run like that, you’d have been gone a week ago.

    I see you’re back on your idiotic “Twitter=GREAT SCIENCE” kick again, too.

  235. Carin says:

    Nice refutation, thorazine.

  236. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 6:45 pm #

    Are they still distributing flyers with your photo on them in your neighborhood, whore?

  237. SBP says:

    Once again, Sambot: the people who actually INVENTED the Internet were all working on ARPA grants (now DARPA).

    I sure as hell wouldn’t want the people who designed Twitter to work on anything important. As a former Navy friend of mine would say, that POS goes down more often than a Subic Bay whore on fleet payday.

  238. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by the UAW on 6/1 @ 6:48 pm #

    You’re one delirious bowel-straining dump of stupid.

    How did you figure out how to fuck?

    Are you leading by example again, thor?”

    Even better, now he can draw a teeny little mustache using his own feces.

  239. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 6:54 pm #

    Rush Limbuagh is a con who preys on Carins.”

    whore preys on little boys.

  240. JHoward says:

    thor goes to Pantagonia once a year to brandish his chrome codpiece.

  241. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by JHoward on 6/1 @ 7:01 pm #

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

    Standing on the high point of an island like some retarded light house.

  242. JD says:

    Please refer to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls – Teh One’s suckitude can be measured in direct to proportion to the frequency and intensity of troll infestations. In this case, the suckitude is through the roof, as the trolls are in rare form, everywhere.

  243. JD says:

    Bob – could you define the “with all due respect”? On a 1-10 scale, if possible.

  244. JHoward says:

    They’re heady with failure, JD. Seriously: Give a parasite the reigns and a certain giddy fright overcomes them. It’s inevitable.

  245. newrouter says:

    Rush Limbuagh is a

    great american comrade

  246. newrouter says:

    Are the Swiss evil socialists?

    nah they created “swiss rolls”

  247. Bob Reed says:

    JD,

    Like the pastor might tell you on any given Sunday; the enemy fights the hardest when you are closest to a breakthrough…

    While they are crowing about the greatness of the O!ne, singing praise to him in their snark filled hypocritical invective psalms, they realize that he’s treading on thin ice…

    He hasn’t ended all of the worst and hated Boooosh! policies (wiretapping and renditions)
    The porkulus has failed to jump start the economy
    Unemployment is rising rapidy, unfortunately for our fellow Americans
    He’s bungling foreign policy, encouraging the rogue nations while admonishing our long-time allies
    I could go on, but won’t-it’s a bit depressing…

    ‘And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.’

    Joe Biden
    September 20, 2008

    So JD, as you might surmise…They’ve gird their loins, and are helping him…

  248. bh says:

    Bob – could you define the “with all due respect”? On a 1-10 scale, if possible.

    One thing I’ve always liked about that phrase, JD, is that it doesn’t grant any undue respect.

  249. JD says:

    nmcc sounds remarkably like a new troll that goes by kmcc at another site. Every bit as big of a twatwaffle as the other one.

  250. Carin says:

    Keep it up, Trolls. Attack with absolutely NO substance. It proves our argument.

  251. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 7:11 pm #

    No answer, whore?

    Are they putting your up posters on light poles?

  252. newrouter says:

    annie smart, intelligent. katie sticking things up her butt on tv

  253. N. O'Brain says:

    “The resemblance is remarkable, but it proves nothing.”

    GOOD troll.

    Now, roll over!

  254. newrouter says:

    i nominate thor for the pw joe biden award

  255. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by newrouter on 6/1 @ 7:24 pm #

    i nominate thor for the pw joe biden award”

    Nope.

    Biden doesn’t like little boys.

  256. SBP says:

    #251: By “former Navy friend of mine” I meant “friend of mine who was formerly in the Navy”. I wasn’t in the Navy. I just want to make that clear.

  257. bh says:

    Biden doesn’t like little boys.

    He finds them intellectually intimidating.

  258. JD says:

    kmcc/nmcc – Dance, bitches. Dance.

    The frequency and intensity from the trolls is only going to get worse.

  259. meya says:

    “I sure as hell wouldn’t want the people who designed Twitter to work on anything important. As a former Navy friend of mine would say, that POS goes down more often than a Subic Bay whore on fleet payday.”

    Aw yeah! third world sex trade !

  260. B Moe says:

    Rush Limbuagh is a con who preys on Carins.

    Why don’t you give us an example? Pick out an argument he has made lately and refute it with a real argument instead of invective. Show us some chops, dude, lead by example.

  261. JHoward says:

    thor made love once to Che’s aging Norton.

  262. N. O'Brain says:

    You got a problem with little brown people, meya?

  263. Carin says:

    Heh. I mean, it would be interesting if they took you up on it, B Moe. But they won’t. Just like they wont directly address an issue here or anywhere.

  264. B Moe says:

    Third world hookers gotta eat, too, meya.

  265. bh says:

    You’ve all just been (even more)officially classified as domestic terrorists

    So, when the administration came out and said that wasn’t the case at all, they were lying?

  266. B Moe says:

    The same Gitmo that Bush and McCain wanted closed?

    Yeah. The one that Obama is keeping open.

  267. SBP says:

    FOAD, SFAG.

  268. JHoward says:

    refute it with a real argument instead of invective.

    thor owns a lovely set of hembra castanets in polished zebrawood. thor is Albert to sammy’s Armand.

  269. Carin says:

    You people are fucking restarted.

    Just had to see that again.

  270. meya says:

    And they aint gonna work in factories making toys for our kids, so….punchline it is.

  271. JD says:

    You’ve all just been (even more)officially classified as domestic terrorists

    Really? Why is that?

    kmcc has blood on its hands from the killing of one soldier and the shooting of another in Arkansas.

  272. Just had to see that again.

    oh thanks, I didn’t see it the first time, thanks to Trollhammer.

  273. newrouter says:

    please don’t puncture any penumbras

  274. JD says:

    I love how the fuckin’ mental midgets just try to rewrite history right in front of our eyes.

  275. newrouter says:

    mohammed kills who knew?

  276. JHoward says:

    rewrite history right in front of our eyes.

    That’s postmodern history to you, JD. Posthistory. This we call mind over matter.

  277. B Moe says:

    Guess who else is more progressive than Obama?

    Heh!

  278. bh says:

    “We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not — nor will we ever — monitor ideology or political beliefs,” Napolitano said in the statement.

    Link.

    Reconcile that with your, “You’ve all just been (even more)officially classified as domestic terrorists…”

    So, were you lying or was the administration?

  279. B Moe says:

    Well, in all fairness JD, the history of Obama is pretty much multiple choice.

  280. eeew, just noticed an email in the spam box headered “Naked Obama”

  281. Dash Rendar says:

    a) Dipshit socialist
    b) Mendouchous twatwaffle
    c) Coke-addled naif
    d) all of the above

  282. B Moe says:

    d) all of the above

    all the way down.

  283. bh says:

    Btw, “JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls”, I like that.

  284. Dash Rendar says:

    Yes it is quite good.

  285. JD says:

    There are others, bh. JD’s Corollary to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls. JD’s 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.

  286. newrouter says:

    e) cloward-piven tool

  287. bh says:

    Heh, if the troll storms continue, you’ll have plenty to work with, JD.

  288. Dash Rendar says:

    Although I wonder whether they can point to a single concrete thing that they know is bad, or its just a subconscious gestalt sort of thing, which leaves us with:

    a) liars
    b) drones

  289. Dash Rendar says:

    Aww, theres our fascist.

  290. JD says:

    JD’s Corollary to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls – The topics that create the most troll activity are the topics that the Left least wants to discuss.

    JD’S 2nd Restatement of JD’s First Rule of Trolls – At times, you will see complete and utter silence from the trolls on a given topic (Holder dismissing case against New Black Panthers) and they focus their attention on another topic to distract from the asshattery that even they are embarassed by.

  291. bh says:

    kmcc, I’ll direct you to your statement, “You’ve all just been (even more)officially classified as domestic terrorists…”. You didn’t say something else, something reasonable, you said what you said.

    So, again, were you lying or was the administration? Hey, guess what, I think you’re more likely to be lying in this instance.

  292. JD says:

    Dick Cheney put that technology in place? Really? Good Allah. It would be nice if the trolls were not so transparently dishonest, or just plain old pig-ignert.

  293. Dash Rendar says:

    Thor heard the footsteps.

  294. Pablo says:

    You people are fucking restarted.


    Fuck yeah!

  295. You people are fucking restarted.

    well, at least we weren’t overcharged.

  296. JD says:

    bh – They just make shit up as they go along. Since Teh One’s words cease having meaning the moment they are uttered, kmcc/nmcc are just following suit. That is all they know.

  297. Pablo says:

    Why do harbor so much disgust and resentment for your fellow American?

    It’s because you’re an ignorant, scum sucking douchenozzle, whor.

  298. Bob Reed says:

    JD,
    The “With all due respect” meter modulates depending on the content…

    With tonights bunch it’s pretty low

  299. Pablo says:

    Rush Limbuagh is a con who preys on Carins.

    Limbaugh doesn’t prey on anybody. He sits on his fat ass, talks into a microphone and makes gazillions of dollars for it. Pretty good gig, I’d say.

  300. newrouter says:

    Federal agents have been dispatched to protect abortion clinics

    yea not voting booths eric holder and the fascist black panthers

  301. Dash Rendar says:

    Prey.

    I’d say that’s pretty revealing. He does prey on the fragile psyche of leftists across the land.

  302. Pablo says:

    is Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad a compatriot of Malik Zulu Shabazz

    That sounds about right.

    I’ll bet big money that’s an Obama voter. This is all Keith Olbermann’s fault.

  303. JD says:

    Did Sammy, thor, and kmcc pass out, or are they practicing their Dirty Sanchez and felching again?

  304. JHoward says:

    I’ve had my fill of grunts from the dumb herd.

    thor doesn’t scare easy, pilgrim.

  305. good grief. i take a couple of days to work on my game houses and slack off on my reading and i miss all the good trolling and wank. and i’m still trying to play reading catch up without it breaking my brain too much.

    NEway, just poking my head up to say YES coulter speaks for me. not always but more often than not she doesn. also, i’d totally do her. i don’t sually fancy blondes, but she’s unfat and obviously in excellent shape. which is hot. and i bet she can get really freaky too. and i mean that in the nicest possible way.

    now it’s back to my make believe house and then some real sleep. i’ll read the rest manana. love to all you non-trolls. ;-)

  306. JD says:

    We are supposed to blame talk radio, O’Reilly, Rush Republicans, and religious people for the Tiller murder, but we are not supposed to blame liberals, Olberman, MadCow, Muslims, or the MSM for the murder of the soldiers. Such wonderful “logic”.

  307. Pablo says:

    Thomas says Muhammad also goes by the name Carlos Bledsoe.

    Yeah, I keep hearing that non-white people don’t like the right at all. Why aren’t our trolls condemning their killer? How is this going to play out with the middle when they find you guys murdering our soldiers?

  308. i denounce my typos. *typos i denounce thee!’ i guess i really should go to bed early.

  309. bh says:

    Don’t worry louchette, you had me at “i’d totally do her”.

  310. Bob Reed says:

    Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 8:03 pm #

    I’ve had my fill of grunts from the dumb herd.

    Well then maybe you should stop hangin’ round the beatnick-esque progressive haven coffee-shops…

    Don’t you ever get tired of the non-showering, no-pit-shaving barista pierced nose chicks…

    Less grunts and clisck among the self-respect and personal responsibility crowd…

    Until next time…

  311. JD says:

    louchette is in my Top 10 favorite chicks I have never met.

  312. JD says:

    Bob – I spend a lot of time in those kinds of places, and I always chuckle under my breath when I chat with you guys right in the midst of the smelly folks …

  313. Bob Reed says:

    louchette sounds like she’s got herself together, doin’ what she likes…

    and, she sounds totally hot…

    Especially the name…

  314. bh says:

    You know what’s sorta weird? When I was a little kid I wanted to be a rocket scientist. Since hearing from SBP that Bob is a real rocket scientist, I kinda get an additional kick out of these comment threads.

    Anyone here a former Green Bay Packer, as well?

  315. gus says:

    I’ve been gone all day. Can someone tell me how Opie, the 31 year old with no experience at anything except school and Rattner the Kick-back Czar, have any experience in running a PINEWOOD DERBY never mind an AUTO COMPANY!??
    Dear Sweet Mother of Jesus, this isn’t a Marxist, keep the UNION vote…ACORN type POWER GRAB?? Is it??

  316. Bob Reed says:

    JD,
    You mighta seen thor in one and not known it!

  317. RTO Trainer says:

    Aw yeah! third world sex trade !

    The Philippines has never been “third world.”

  318. JD says:

    Bob – thor is easy to spot. You know that chubby little balding dude that you see in the background of pictures of Michael Vick and Barcky, sniffing their ass ?

  319. Bob Reed says:

    I don’t know how that kid Deese got that kind of gig; except by the good ol’ political spoils system…

    Maybe he was part of the truce, like a prisoner exchange, between Hillz and O!…

    One things for sure, very much like Rochester to Benny, all he’ll be sayin’ to O! is yeeeessss Bosss!

    A white lackey yes man for the omnipotent black King…

    Sounds like a twisted Spike Lee joint!

  320. RTO Trainer says:

    And they aint gonna work in factories making toys for our kids

    47th economy in the world. But don’t let that spoil your bigoted POV.

  321. Dash Rendar says:

    Yea I think that 31 year old is a pre-written campaign commercial material what could be used for the next 50 years after GM and Chrysler metamorphos into the black hole. Right now they’re only at nova stage.

  322. newrouter says:

    so the kenyan who never ran a lemonade stand is mr. car? should be fun

  323. JD says:

    Leftists cannot be bigots, by definition, RTO. You know that.

    Bob – thor is like playing “Where’s Waldo”. Just try to find him sniffing Vick’s ass.

  324. Joe says:

    Don’t you ever get tired of the non-showering, no-pit-shaving barista pierced nose chicks…

    No, he doesn’t. He finds the ones who will let him have his way every now and again if he pays for the drinks.

  325. JD says:

    Other than working on Dem campaigns, does Deese have experience in anything?

  326. Dash Rendar says:

    Well he’s 31 now, dropped out of Yale to work on Hilldawg’s campaign, so there appears to a period of missing time somewhere. The bong years, perhaps.

  327. newrouter says:

    this experience thing is a “white anglo construct”

  328. JD says:

    Between Rattner and Deese, they had exactly ZERO days of experience in the auto industry. Competency just ooooooooozes from these guys.

  329. SBP says:

    Guess who else is more progressive than Obama?

    Heh!

    Sound of hippie heads exploding. Scanners-style, baby.

  330. newrouter says:

    obama he got experience being a ivy league asshole

  331. Jeffersonian says:

    Hell, I spent seven years in an assembly plant, enough to know what got welded where. Why didn’t I get this plum?

  332. Dash Rendar says:

    I don’t recall where I heard it, but this Rattner fellow, in addition to being aptly named, is building something like a $15 million mansion on Martha’s Vineyard. Yea that whole for me but not thee thing.

  333. JD says:

    Dash – That comes from his wife’s job fundraising for the DNC.

  334. JD says:

    The trolls finally passed out.

  335. Dash Rendar says:

    O yea. Prolly some Soros monies floating around in there. I think we need some top flight documentarians to detail this whole mess.

  336. Bob Reed says:

    Yeah,

    Rattners job is just another political payoff plum; brought to us all by the most ethical administration-EVAH!

  337. JD says:

    If the automobile industry was too crucial to our entire economic system to allow it to go into bankruptcy, which is is doing anyway, why in the fucking world are Rattner and Deese anywhere within a mile of the group working on this?

  338. bh says:

    When I was in my late 20’s (in the 2000’s, I’m young), I made a move for a job above me. Ended up in competition with an older guy with much more experience. He got the job, I got a raise and he ended up teaching me almost everything I now know. Best thing that ever happened to me.

    This Deese guy, you gotta feel sorry for him in a way. They’re setting him up to fail.

  339. newrouter says:

    is building something like a $15 million mansion on Martha’s Vineyard. Y

    it is windmill free don’t you know?

  340. newrouter says:

    They’re setting him up to fail.

    yea the whole economy Cloward-Piven

  341. Pablo says:

    Between Rattner and Deese, they had exactly ZERO days of experience in the auto industry. Competency just ooooooooozes from these guys.

    Yeah, but what do they know about healthcare and retirement plans? That’s what’s really important now.

  342. Dash Rendar says:

    Yea its almost too easy for us. Admiral Ackbar advises you run for the hills Mr. Deese, you are the fall guy.

  343. JD says:

    And the MSM just nods their heads and keeps on fellating Teh One.

    Remember when Jesse Jackson wanted to cut Teh One’s nuts off. All he had to do was kick someone in the MSM in the chin.

  344. Pablo says:

    I don’t recall where I heard it, but this Rattner fellow, in addition to being aptly named, is building something like a $15 million mansion on Martha’s Vineyard.

    He’s come a long way since Ridgemont High.

  345. SBP says:

    The trolls finally passed out.

    Actually, I think they’re still trying to get their heads around Cheney being more “progressive” than Obama.

  346. Bob Reed says:

    They didn’t pass out…

    They’re at the local Starbucks, or similar such hangout, hoping that by proclaiming their fealty to the O!ne that they’ll be able to get some action; that or a strip club pleading with the waitress for a handy in the parking lot…

    You see, PW is not the only place they troll

  347. B Moe says:

    This Deese guy, you gotta feel sorry for him in a way. They’re setting him up to fail.

    He is a Democrat hack, failing is what they are all about. Hard to be a victim if you don’t know how to fail.

  348. Bob Reed says:

    Or maybe they’re catching the Olberman/Maddow re-runs; getting tommorows talking points…

    Better to memorize them now than to risk having to think early in the day; you know, at the crack of noon…

    ‘Cuz, that’s how they troll…

  349. JD says:

    They are awaiting their marching orders on how to blame Bush for a domestic terrorist action by a Muslim and suspected terrorist murdering a US soldier in the continental US.

  350. bh says:

    Just feeling sorry for him “in a way”, B Moe. A very limited way. Seems like they expect failure and put the overwhelmed, under-experienced sacrificial goat in place ahead of schedule.

  351. Seems like they expect failure and put the overwhelmed, under-experienced sacrificial goat in place ahead of schedule.

    eh, if any of the Fannie/Freddie people are an example, he’ll fall up.

  352. bh says:

    Heh, true enough, Maggie. Perhaps, after a backroom Franking or two, he’ll consider the error of his ways.

  353. Sammy says:

    Bob Reed (#221) – good stuff and I completely agree. Every drop of oil that can be pumped eventually will be pumped. It’s just a matter of time. The cognitive dissonance of bitching about expensive gas, and railing against drilling off your own coast, will eventually break down.

    But it won’t be enough. I’m with Friedman – cheap electrons are the future.

  354. Dash Rendar says:

    “cheap electrons are the future.”

    Ummm. Ahem. Cap n’trade. Arghhh.

  355. Sammy says:

    #230 – Oh snap.

  356. SBP says:

    #371: Actually, they’re just disappearing the story altogether, JD.

    It’s nowhere to be seen on the front page of Google News.

    The Tiller story is still right at the top.

    Nowhere to be seen on MSNBC.

    The Tiller story is still right at the top.

    The New York Times is running it in the “More News” section, below the Tiller story.

    To their credit, both ABC News and CNN are giving it some play.

  357. JD says:

    I sadly predicted that the murder of a US serviceman by a Muslim who was under investigation for ties to terrorism would not get 1/10th of the coverage as Tiller. I was wrong by at least an order of magnitude.

  358. SBP says:

    BTW, The New York Times is spinning it as a “young man upset by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq”.

    ABC has it as the main story on their site, with pic, and mentions right in the headline “under FBI investigation”, “had recently traveled to Yemen”, and “was under a Joint Terror Task Force investigation for using a Somali passport there”.

    Is it just me or is ABC News actually improving quite a bit of late? Jake Tapper seems to be the only reporter with enough balls to question Teh One.

  359. JD says:

    So that is how they will spin this against Bush. They will claim that this young man was angered by the illegal warforoil, Gitmo, and Abu Ghraib at some point, guaranteed.

  360. JD says:

    bh – those people are prolly racist, trying to get in the way of Teh One doing the work he was born to do.

  361. bh says:

    Ya know, JD, I was thinking that same thing. Bondholders? Racists.

    The human excrement who shoot soldiers? Invisible.

  362. Bob Reed says:

    Holy smoke, 0006 GMT-5

    Time for this scalawag to hit the rack…

    Best Wishes to all

  363. Sammy says:

    So she’s right.

    “philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards”

    How many years have to pass before we’re done talking about Boosh and Cheney? Oh, wait…

    It is true that we have less far to fall, having not placed ourselves so high atop the self-righteous pedestal. Look at all the Republican that torpedoed themselves going after Clinton/Lewinski (for the record, Clinton should have resigned (and I loved that guy!))

    Like the pastor might tell you on any given Sunday; the enemy fights the hardest when you are closest to a breakthrough…

    Sorry, I’m still gloating. If there was a real fight worth having, I wouldn’t be spending my time making sure I’m comment #386 on some obscure blog. It’s more like, “The battles are so fierce because the stakes are so small.”

    Did Sammy, thor, and kmcc pass out, or are they practicing their Dirty Sanchez and felching again?

    Man, the whole teabagging debacle really expanded your guys vocabulary. Pretty soon you’re going to be weaving “2 girls 1 cup” into your conversations (don’t google it.) What do you guys do for a living/family life, that you’re able to just hit the refresh button all damn day?

    We are supposed to blame talk radio, O’Reilly, Rush Republicans, and religious people for the Tiller murder, but we are not supposed to blame liberals, Olberman, MadCow, Muslims, or the MSM for the murder of the soldiers.

    Blame whoever you want, but I blame the losers who pull the triggers.

  364. bh says:

    ‘Night, Bob.

    Sammy, I blame you for nothing. Maybe if a fast food restaurant messed up my order you’d come to mind. That’s about it though.

  365. JD says:

    That is a lie and you are a liar. Go donkey punch Rosie O’Lard, see if you get bucked off.

  366. JD says:

    Good night, to all of the nonfuckingmendoucheous folks around here. I have an early flight tomorrow.

  367. Go donkey punch Rosie O’Lard, see if you get bucked off.

    well, at least I wasn’t expecting to sleep well tonight anyway.

  368. bh says:

    ‘Night, JD.

  369. geoffb says:

    “JD’s Corollary to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls – The topics that create the most troll activity are the topics that the Left least wants to discuss.”

    So far they aren’t even making it to 30% of this shitstorm. Come on Obama has plenty of money to throw at you guys right. And there are those “special” workshops at camp. Get it together and top that 1574 comment Palin thread.

  370. bh says:

    But, Geoff, guys like Sammy just hang out here for fun, not for pay or misguided ideology. What’s more fun than being unliked and ridiculous for hours on end?

  371. bh says:

    Okay, I’m to bed myself. ‘Night.

  372. geoffb says:

    “guys like Sammy just hang out here for fun, not for pay or misguided ideology.”

    Silly me and here I pictured them as a mutant form of the “Blues Brothers” on a mission for their O! god. This time they are the Illinois Nazis.

  373. Carin says:

    It is true that we have less far to fall, having not placed ourselves so high atop the self-righteous pedestal

    WHAT? Most Ethical Congress EVER!

  374. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 8:03 pm #

    I’ve had my fill of grunts from the dumb herd.

    Until we meet again.”

    As I come out the prison gate….

  375. B Moe says:

    That one stunned the hell out of me too, Carin.

    Are you fucking kidding me?

  376. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by Sammy on 6/1 @ 10:12 pm #

    So she’s right.

    “philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards”

    How many years have to pass before we’re done talking about Boosh and Cheney? Oh, wait…”

    President Bush has more integrety than your entire inbred family.

  377. Rob Crawford says:

    Is it just me or is ABC News actually improving quite a bit of late? Jake Tapper seems to be the only reporter with enough balls to question Teh One.

    ABC is also airing “The Goode Family”. Perhaps someone at ABC said to someone else, “Hey, what if we stop crapping on half the country?”

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