Let’s just say that I reserve the right to nuke the comments of anyone who advocates fascistic censorship, simply because I find it amusing when they complain.
The preceding post has been disparately received, with Jimmie using it as an example of unequivocal condemnation, while Roy Edroso, who seems to have something stuck in his craw regarding this blog, is trotting it out as an example of equivocation under the heading “He Had It Coming”. Sometimes “He Had It Coming” is root causy and chickens coming home to roosty, though.
Let me reiterate the points: Tiller’s killer a political assassin and terrorist; one justice for all or justice for none; sanctity of life extends to late-term abortion doctors.
On Dealergate, some minorities seem to be more minor than others. I’m sure they’re consolded by Sotomayor’s nomination. More Sotominority news.
Little Miss Attila could use some linky love, so here it is. Lots of good recent posts.
It’s all that ass O’Reilly’s fault, of course.
Prayers: Air France flight from Rio to Paris “disappears” over Atlantic.
My question for Bill Ayers: if right radio talk show hosts are to be blamed for Tiller’s killing, is it fair to blame you for Weather Underground killings?
Michelle Malkin: “T” for the Tillerman
Richard Fernandez with another terrific post.
thor, I don’t want to have to censor people, but if they say that the apparatus of the state should be used to prevent me from speaking my mind, perhaps they can be brought to understand what it’s like–just a little–when I take the eraser to their comments. I’m sorry about it, but it is what it is.
I’m sorry, but diversity of opinion is what Nishi’s hoping will go away, not just on this blog, but everywhere.
I missed all this – I was uber busy this weekend. But, murder is murder. I don’t much care about motivations. Murder is murder.
I’d think, though, people would be more upset over the (most likely) murder of a little girl here in Michigan. Down in Monroe. Disappeared over a week ago. Five years old. This never ends well.
No in my mind, these are the sorts of things we should be upset about Pedophile who rape and kill girls. Crazy folk who kill abortionist. Well, just another murderer if you ask me.
The rape and killing of a 5-year-old girl is probably a little harder to pin on “Christianists,” Carin. Political motivation is what makes Tiller’s murder so peculiarly horrible. The Chrysler dealership closings, not so much.
Is it inconsistent of me, thor, given that it’s one of the most wonderful things about Charles Johnson, Sword of Truth? Perhaps it’s not so wonderful when it’s applied to Nishi? Help me figure this out.
But the Tiller killer is ever so evil, whereas Islamist fundies killing other people who disagree with their views is root causy.
All I’m asking for is a little clarity.
No. When a person is murdered, it doesn’t matter what the motivations are. You’re just dead. All murder cuts short a life. A five-year-old girl, raped and murdered? Sorry, that’s worse in the scale of things.
Heh. And the political motivations of the Black Panthers outside of the voting booths? Again, no big deal.
But a crazy who kills an abortionist? Obviously that is a sign that the entire Right is sick sick sick to it’s core.
You know, if they persecute or (OMG) give Tiller’s murderer the death penalty, aren’t we just going to create MORE abortionist killers?
Maybe he’s a crazy, Carin, but that’s really something for the criminal justice system to decide.
Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest he wasn’t responsible for his actions/legally insane or whatever. But, you know he’s prolly “out there” on some scale. Like Tim McVey. Like any radical.
Nishi has a hero, thor: herself.
I’m a little sensitive regarding this issue, because Obama’s administration are instituting some draconian tactics to shut dissent TFU. Broad guidelines that will extend to “localism” in the radio market, for one, which outlets such as NPR will be exempt from. Then we’ve got trolls here saying it would be wonderful if the FBI started busting dissenting bloggers. We’ve got sheriffs pulling over drivers for “anti-immigration” bumperstickers.
As I said before, there is one justice for all, or there is no justice at all.
I had to go elsewhere before the discussion heated up, but if the opposition was primarily thor and Nishi, I already know what it was like.
Thanks for sifting the wheat from the chaff, Dan. I go to bakers I can trust. Because the teaspoon of Fascism accentuates the tang of Irony. Yum!
Comment by thor on 6/1 @ 4:38 am #
Shouldn’t you be out chasing little boys, whore?
N’OB, let’s not get into this spiral again. Please?
You mean like this:
I’m going to repaste that first one just because it cracks me up to read it:
The only problem I have with censoring these folks Dan, is that it makes some of the reactions look out of line if you can’t see the ugliness they are responding to.
If Alinsky were handed this opportunity, he would gather a bunch of people at the next Obama speech and they’d all be wearing huge pope hats. Their sign would read something like: “Tiller’s killer is inconvenient, and he should not have survived that church lobby abortion, but now that he has, we support Obama’s view that he should be left on the cold floor to die. Christians For Obama’s Cold Floor Death Policy! Yay!!”
The pope hats should be really ornate too.
I, too, missed the excitement (if you want to call it that). But I trust Dan to have done the right thing.
Except…terming this heinous and unacceptable murder a terrorist attack, or a political murder. What’s political about it? Why follow the Left’s mischaracterization of meaning, and misuse the word? I’d guess that this murder was done to it’s own end, and any spillover (intent to cause terror to the Laft or to other abortionists) would be an afterthought. Therefore, not a particularly good candidate for a “terrorist” murder or a “political” murder, as the murderer’s intent was to snuff just this one life.
Laft = Left. Although I may be on to something.
Thor wasn’t here for the really annoying nishi chapters so he can be , dare I say it, forgiven for thinking nishi has been put upon. No. She had her chance a thousand times over and all she ever gave was her parroting of two or three of the same points. Over and over and over and over……………
While a diversity of opinions is good, not all opinions deserve equal weight. Nishi herself was a pretty intollerant presents. Also if you want your opinions to be taken seriously they should be presented that way.
Besides, she was boring.
“Comment by Dan Collins on 6/1 @ 4:48 am #
N’OB, let’s not get into this spiral again. Please?”
Not until the cocksucker apologizes to my wife and my son.
Otherwise, piss off.
Ot until he’s banned again.
For the 786th time.
[…] a movement (amongst the Left, and even espoused by some on the Right) to term this heinous and unacceptable murder a terrorist attack, or a political […]
What point? Obviously nuggie has no point except nuggie, which is to say that nuggie operates not unlike yourself. Dan’s entirely too patient with that rubbish. The site is degraded thereby. I suspect Jeff’s in self exile because he’s had enough of it too. Go back and look at the quality of pw content two years ago and then compare it to the rot you and the nuggies have dumped into threads lately.
The issue with the left is a lack of integrity of position — the left can have no point worth defending when all it seeks to do is diminish and take. Think, thor: When all you do is game a system you didn’t build and cannot contribute production too, then you’re a parasite. Again, not unlike yourself in these pages (if not elsewhere). That’s simply an observation of fact.
The left is a dysfunction, a lie on reality and human nature. The left are, in essence, enviers and thieves. So throw me onto the Palin hick pyre as well: you bitching about nuggie’s victimization is one of the more telling indicators of your own self-victimizing, and I say both are chronic dishonest cheapness.
JHoward, the game is that they demand that WE adhere to a set of rules they refuse to play by. The stupid thing is that for YEARS we took the bait.
That is why I rest firmly with the “I hope he fails” crowd. Say what you mean. Mean what you say. And, when they attempt to turn it into something else – POUND them for it.
And, not to go OT so early, but I have to mention that people are just really fucking stupid. CNN, at the Gym, “State of the Nation” show interviewed three “regular folk” at a coffee shop. My heart rate shot up like you wouldn’t believe while they waxed poetic about how things were looking better, job-wise. Economy wise. They have more hope now. Are things better now than six months ago? Oh definitely!
Honestly, it was all I could do to keep from swearing.
455 comments of Nishball? Can anyone give me the press summary or should I write it myself?
Oh, incidentally, murder is bad.
They put the CNN at my gym too Carin. They might as well just have a porno where Anderson Cooper and Cafferty both take turns seeing who can take Barack better. It is either that or did you beat your wife segments such as “Do Republicans have a race problem oppossing _____”. I do not remember anyone saying that shit about the other side when they were demonizing Thomas.
I am not complaining. Dan’s certainly within his rights.
I was snakepoking. That allus ends badly.
But how did Dan miss where AllahP compared you to Bill Ayers?
That’s not what he did, Nishi.
And the “Bill Ayers types” points right here.
OT but is anyone else glad today that GM got billions of dollars of our money? I mean they might have gone bankrupt or something if not for that.
Could that be, Nishi, because I compared the Tiller killer with Bill Ayers in my post? You think that might be what the Allah Pundit was alluding to?
Nishi do you have Twitter because I would love to subscribe. I want to hear what you do all day.
No, meya: because he’s linked to us thrice, recently.
What for?
Dan’s entirely too patient with that rubbish. The site is degraded thereby.
For twenty years, I watched the fascist Left shut down debate on campus with every tactic at its command — disruption, accusations that challenges were uncivil or created a hostile climate, and blantant, bare-knuckled oppression.
Now that their dirty fascist leader is in the White House along with a fascist Congress, I got no problem with shutting the motherf*ckers up when it’s clear they are just trying to disrupt conversation. Do it, Dan. They’ve got control everywhere else. Letting them come into the house and shit on the rug isn’t tolerance, it’s suicide.
Wingnut Welfare (on the day it came to light that VV had hired people to boost its page views artificially) and Jeff’s use of big words and italics. Maybe others. I don’t read them unless I notice they’ve linked.
Sorry, nishi. You’ve got to denounce your advocacy of censorship.
No, Allahpundit is making a mistake, though, by linking Dan’s incorrect portrayal of this as a terrorist killing. If this was a political and/or terroristic murder (and I’m far from convinced it was both) then that aspect was secondary to the intent of the killer: that intent being to snuff just the one person he snuffed. Because terrorism doesn’t care who is killed, only that people are killed. You’d come much closer to truth if you would define separately terroristic killing from political killings. I can see a secondary purpose, maybe, in the political killing definition.
This is simply a PR disaster of epic proportions for prolife. Not so much because of what Roeder did, but because of how the movement is reacting to it.
Wrong. It’s a “PR” disaster because every dishonest lefty will point out and highlight every “out of bounds” comment and pretend it is mainstream conservative sentiment. Because every lefty will willfully mischaracterize whatever the right may say at this moment.
Which makes me wanna go “Well, fuck ’em all with a swordfish.”
I think it was terroristic to execute this man in a church. We’ll just have to disagree about that.
Opportunity fire, Dan. He couldn’t get closer anywhere else, because of the security and the bodyguards.
For whatever reason, Tiller felt safe in a Church. Was that his only reason for being there?
Nishi (deleted)
So you are reduced to calling people here murderers and terrorist now? Someone ban this psycho please.
erm…huh?
Dissapearing comment sorry man. There was a poop stain on isle 56 I was stupidly responding to. I am very glad it is gone.
I think that comment Mr. Pink left was not for the current #56. Right, Mr. Pink?
OK. Because I define terrorism very starkly. No room for wide definitions that aid the Left in their machinations.
Think of it not as terrorism per se, but as an assassination.
Maybe you just aren’t very smart and totally missed it, yet again. Go now and contemplate the error of your ways. Come back when you have spent 5 years thinking on these things…
Darn, 63 was in response to something that has vanished…
#64
Nishi wondered when she had advocated censorship after praising Charle’s Johnson’s mighty banhammer.
What is funny here is the complete freakin disconnect from their own past actions. It was MAINSTREAM to wish Dick Cheney had died in the mortar attack that occurred when he was visiting the middle east. It was MAINSTREAM to heap scorn and wish for the death of Tony Snow when his cancer was discovered. They had to freakin close comment sections down entirely when he died. They made freakin plays about killing George Bush. Yet they will point out one or two comments on random websites and try to correlate that to the whole? Fuck em that is disingenous as hell. Pardon my spelling but it really is. I swear these people have drilled a hole in their head and killed the parts of their brains that contain the memory of what THEY did in the past 8 years.
Dan, Quite so, and I was slowly typing out a response that was mocking her obvious miss…
Sorry, I should have put it in brackets, LTC John. I knew you knew.
Uses supercharged ‘D’ cells, I’m thinking. Dual purpose, of course; keeps Sharmuta smiling… )
And who am I to forget Markos’s diatribe on the contractors that were drug thru the street in Fallujah. Yeah that really seemed to deminish his credibility and influence.
And I remain amazed that anyone responds to whor, nishi, etc. Ban them. Delete their comments. Whatever. They’re not here to debate; they’re here to shut us up.
Patterico defends O’Reilly from Andrew Sullivan (who suggests O’Reilly is responsible for Tiller’s death for criticizing him):
O’Reilly should be defended. This is another twist in the Rush Limbaugh “wants America to fail” saga. I am glad Patterico is on the right side on this issue. Tiller’s death was murder and I hope his killer is convicted and sentanced quickly. I deplore it. Virtually everyone does. But we can not let malicous mendacious individuals twist this crime into something it is not.
Charles Johnson should be mocked as usual. Sullivan is quoting him now at his site.
Edroso is angling for a job with MiniTrue, just like all of his peers. If I were working for a company that had canned half of its staff in the last year, I’d be exploring other options, too.
Unfortunately, they’re simply too stupid to do the arithmetic.
Dan,
I notice you’ve linked to some people who are blaming right wing radio for the murder of Tiller.
I guess right wing radio isn’t as powerful as the left claims, because otherwise, Rush, with his 20 million listeners to incite, would have probably gotten every single abortion doctor assassinated by now.
After all, according to our esteemed president, we righties cling to God, guns and Rush….
Exactly. This isn’t about competing equal ideas against one another. This is about defending from the mob at the gates. You don’t reason with the guy reaching for his gun, wanting to rob and kill you.
Churches are for sinners.
So, I’ll be back in an hour or so.
They’re not actually paying Edroso, are they?
The Left is positively gleeful over this. Nishit came about 8 times while prattling on and on about this. Every site I regularly read is infected with drive-by’s following the lead of the Sullys and Marcunts of the world. They, objectively, have no humanity.
I really wonder what her social life looks like. It probably consists of watching the movie Twilight alone on replay all day before a healthy diet of fake vampire blood and then an action filled night of cutting herself.
What the murderous little fascist fucks like nishi, markg8, and “some asshole” and the Pravda-wannabees like Edroso don’t realize is that people like them have invariably been the first ones sent to the camps, every time the kind of government they long for has been instituted.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
— George Santayana
The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.*
– Friedrich Hegel
*(“If you’re a moronic leftbot”, understood)
people like them have invariably been the first ones sent to the camps, every time the kind of government they long for has been instituted.
I would say, second. The useful idiots’ usefulness does outlive the old order. But not by much.
Right. After La Revolucion, revolutionaries become superfluous.
My usual response to anything Edroso writes is: Edroso’s writing talent is even more sadly lacking than his musical talent.
Which can be seen here. Edroso speechifying at 3:30; his fabulous musical skills on display at around 5:20. Bonus egg-headedness.
It has less to do with all of that high-minded intellectual thought. It boils down to Þhe simple fact that they are lying mendoucheous fascists.
Stupid ones, JD.
They think that OF COURSE they’re going to wind up being the ones holding the whip, since OF COURSE they’re the “elite”.
Unfortunately, as Augustus once said, two Caesars is one too many.
BTW, what’s up with the thorn character? You have an Icelandic keyboard? :-)
Actually the irony in the situation is that it will be people like me wearing the jackboots and stomping on them. :)
Oops, on that one, SBP. Typing on my Blackberry produces some really bizarre characters from time to time. They keys are just too damn small.
Rob Crawford:
And I remain amazed that anyone responds to whor, nishi, etc. Ban them. Delete their comments. Whatever. They’re not here to debate; they’re here to shut us up.
Amen. But I think they’re also here to “win” by brute repitition, name-calling, not getting banned, getting banned, being gloriously irritating – whatever – or to use the mere presence of their postings as a kind of propaganda platform for the casual reader who might think they have a point if it goes unopposed.
I usually just ignore their whole comment. But once they’re posted, someone probably has to read and respond.
Their comments do provide some practice in responding to the progressive mentality, such as it is – infantile and illogical. But after a while with the usual suspects, it’s just not worth it to me.
Maybe selective banning on certain themes or a simple tag-response such as “progressive-dysfunction” would partially suffice. I just don’t know how to best handle this kind of trash.
There is no good way to handle them. If you ban them, it reinforces the myth that the Right cannot tolerate different points of view, and complete and total lie, but a canard commonly advanced by the Left. Pure projection. If you do not ban them, and respond (something I am very guilty of) it is like gasoline on a fire. If you do not ban them and do not respond, their “arguments” and lies are then allowed to stand unopposed, and equally unappealing concept. No matter what course of action is chosen, it is clear that the very last thing they want is actual debate. They want to push memes, call names, and otherwise disrupt any actual discussion of whatever the topic is. It has to be a kind of Tourrette’s.
2 army recruiters were shot at in Little Rock, Arkansas 10 am this morning and one has died and 1 in critical. Authorieties have the suspect, I believe and african american male.
I blame left wing hate sites like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Firedoglake, haters Oblerman and Matthews et al and all left radio hosts if there were any. It’s their hate that caused this guy to do this crime.
Link, please, Topsecretk9?
I believe this is one link to it Dan
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html
I don’t understand what this post has to do with nishi exactly. Is she banned?
She’s banned from my links, specifically, hf, for thinking it really swell of Charles Johnson to put the banhammer down on people whom he doesn’t agree with.
Here’s a roundup, Dan.
I blame the KosKiddieKult as well. Also HuffnPuffPo, Excitable Andi, LiarDogFake, Feminutse, and all their fellow travelers.
Al Franken is to blame, too.
2 army recruiters were shot at in Little Rock, Arkansas 10 am this morning and one has died and 1 in critical. Authorieties have the suspect, I believe and african american male.
I blame left wing hate sites like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Firedoglake, haters Oblerman and Matthews et al and all left radio hosts if there were any. It’s their hate that caused this guy to do this crime.
tsk9’s comment bears repeating …
Charles Johnson? He’s a big goofball I think. He’s the one that lied about President Bush bowing to some Saudi dicklick. nishi is smarter than Charles Johnson I think. He’s a big goofball.
Thanks Bob, for posting the link
APress says they were recruiters. Local says no,
Why on God’s green and warming Earth doesn’t the Left have to answer for this in the same way they try to make Roder the spokesman for the entire Right?
Local says:
According to Army Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, the two victims were not recruiters, but part of a recruiting program called “Hometown Recruiting Assistance.” Artis says recruiters use soldiers to tell their stories and talk to potential recruits while they are visiting or based back in their home region.
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and dumbass AP has ‘recruiter” in the headline.
The suspect for the Arkansas killings was driving a black SUV, so no, couldn’t be a lefty fanatic.
Right?
Didn’t Obama used to drive a black SUV?
Didn’t John Kerry have about 16 black SUV’s?
When will the Left be called on to answer for this?
When they meet St. Peter and learn why their tickets are on the DOWN escalator.
Good one, McGehee.
I am going to predict that Tiller gets coverage on every network tonite, and lots of it, mainly trying to tie Republicans and pro-life supporters to the actions of a whack-job murderer. The murder in Little Rock will not make any of the networks, and the only chance of them being discussed is on Fox.
#104 That sounds like what my nephew did when he got out of basic with the marines. There wasa lag time before his next assignment and he was sent home to work with recruiters.
He’s now with the 24th MEU.
It won’t be a big deal in the media any more than last week’s bomb set off at an NYC Starbucks was. Officials were “baffled” because it seemed such a non-political target compared to the NYC recruiting station and two consulates which had been previously bombed. Can anyone manage a profile of people who’d hate all of the above? I think it has Naomi Klein written all over it.
Abe, I agree, but stop stomping on my irony, please, by making it so obvious.
Abe – Did the bombings of the recruiting offices get even a tenth of the coverage as this murder?
When they meet St. Peter and learn why their tickets are on the DOWN escalator.
Except they will have read this manual, so we’re all stuck with them anyway.
JD, this killing isn’t even on the front page of Google News.
SBP – And that surprises you?!
You know how it works JD. Stuff like that gets reported on like a building fire or car accident would and then everyone moves on to the next news cycle. There’s never any serious analysis or larger socio-political significance ascribed to bad behavior on the left.
Dicentra, I actually thought of that strip while writing my comment, but I hoped these proggs wouldn’t read decadent comic strips because of humor is counterrevolutionary.
Dicentra, I actually thought of that strip while writing my comment, but I hoped these proggs wouldn’t read decadent comic strips because of humor is counterrevolutionary.
Oh, they’re so over the rejection of bourgeois cultural artifacts.
Unless they burn hydrocarbons, imply that we’re bound by the Constitution, or mock Teh Won.
I didn’t come from no monkey and I don’t give a damn if someone kills an abortionist. He had it coming. The federal government is to blame for forcing baby killing on states. Human life is precious and needs to be protected from scum like Tiller who made a fortune killing babies. Islamofascism and big government are one in the same and go against Christian beliefs and the word of God. Why was this scum in church in the first place and he shouldn’t have been shot there but in his baby killing sactuary. He will burn in hell but is killer will rever in the glory of Jesus and not be damned but praised above anything.
Sorry, Tad, but I think that Jesus wouldn’t be so cool about blowing someone’s head off, no matter what he was about. Dude.
Moby
Yeah, that’s so over the top Tad’s either a Moby or the Moby.
I didn’t come from no monkey
I beg to differ.
One of the small, screechy, public-masturbating, and shit-flinging types, I’d say.
I’d give you an award for Best Imitation of a Right-Wing Nutjob, Tad, but your performance was
• derivative
• inauthentic
• boring
But you’re a tad apish, I’d say. With no offense intended to more well-mannered apes.
I denounce and distance myself from Tad.
Holy Christ. Edroso’s rant was about as cliched and tediously manufactured as anything “antiestablishment” Warner Bros. put out in the 70’s to hit that movie market.
R.P.M.
Good lord. I’m embarrassed for the guy.
Jeff! Good to see your name pop up. Hope all is well.
Jeff G,
What else would you expect from a tool like him, and the V.V.
I love how he essentially put words in Dan’s mouth…
Edgy…not so much