I’m actually a little happy that my dad, Class of ’53, is blind, so he doesn’t have to watch news reports of elderly, anti-abortion protesting priests being arrested for quietly demonstrating on campus.
It’s simple, really. Notre Dame’s alumni were very generous, and they used the endowment to attract name academics to campus, and became vain of their academic rankings. And when that happened, they opened the door to relativism and the fashionable po-mo nonsense that constitutes avant garde-ism in academia, and came to pride themselves on their open-mindedness.
People who believe in transsubstantiation had better understand that in their view of the world, this is a place where we see as through a glass, darkly. The idea that there is a supersensual reality that is more real than this one turns modernist materialism on its head, and Catholicism is, you know, kind of based on that premise, so . . . just saying.
Serr8d at the Pub (h/t Serr8d)
The temptations of this world are everywhere, and nowhere so dangerous as when they appeal to our better instincts. Put simply, there is nothing, even goodness, that cannot become a source of Pride.
“Nowhere do we tempt so successfully as on the very steps of the altar.” -Screwtape
“What Happened to Notre Dame”?
That’s got to be rhetorical Dan. Duh….They’re looking for common ground. Double duh. Can’t we just agree on aborting only half of each fetus, there Solomon?
Geez Dan.
Unfortunately, there are many Catholics in America that believe that the church needs to change it’s moral underpinnings and tenets to “keep up” with changes in society. I suppose that the same arguments were being put forth in the middle ages, when the church essentially held western civilization together during a time of societal de-evolution…
What we’re talking about here is not the refutation of the notion of celestial spere’s or any scientific point of fact, in favor of the ideological inertia of the church hierarchy; it is about the compromise of principles and transcendant beliefs. And, while these things necessarily occur in the realm of politics and governance, especially in democratic societies, they need not occur in an instutution built upon faith and sworn to uphold that faith’s teachings and beliefs, based on sacred scripture, tradition, and the magisterium of the church…
Catholic means universal, and Notre Dame needs to recognize that there can be no variant of the faith, such as an “American” Catholisim, that compromises it’s belief to suit secular trends. To do so is essentially heresy, by definition…
Get with the program, or adopt a different one, I’m sad to say…
Truly a Shame.
Catholic pro life demonstrators getting arrested for peacefully protesting a President who opposes even late term abortions at Notre Dame! Call me crazy, but I vaguely remember being told in Parochial school that abortion was wrong.
Doug Kmiec must be smiling somewhere.
Harvard used to be a Christian school too. So did Princeton (it produced some of the greatest leaders America has ever known, all Christians). Most major colleges were Christian at one point, then they embraced the left and modern culture steadily until the Christianity was just pushed out. Now they are anti-Christian.
I’m Catholic and 100% Irish. Notre Dame can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. Then they can have Obama speak to them on a daily basis.
The way I see it, Notre Dame’s descent into Georgetown-i-ness tracks pretty well with the degeneration of its once preeminent football program. I don’t know if the two phenomena are related, but, well, there you go.
Also, I’ve always been a little peeved at Notre Dame and wondered what the fuck they were up to since 1995, which was the year that a Senior at my Catholic High School from a modest, working class family, with the last name of Murphy, and a 1560 SAT score (and, of course, quite impressive transcripts) was denied admission. I thought that was “how you do it,” but apparently, Notre Dame forgot something important along the way.
“Putting our differences aside” means “Shut the fuck up or I’ll put you in a cage”.
Maybe they can stick Offsides Jesus on the library.
The state schools were founded in order to provide training for militia officers. Now try to find one where the majority of the faculty don’t demand the destruction of the United States.
Not forgot so much as changed the “what” from something related to God to something related to a political cause. Something man made and relative so it can go as the wind blows. One more enemy of the left hollowed out and broken.
I don’t understand, if abortion is good and in fact, evidence of our liberty, why are liberals always talking about the tragedies of badly timed pregnancies. Just abort the thing… for freedom !
I was talking more about rejecting an achieving, working-class Irish-Catholic kid from Philadelphia – you know, the kind who would have been rejected from the Ivy League fifty years ago because of his Irishness and Catholicity, and whom Notre Dame was founded to educate. As in, “what the fuck more could they want?” kind of thing, but I’m sure that his spot was “filled” by a transgendered half-Cherokee expatriate, or something, so the politics are to blame there as well.
Notre Dame is just an example of Whoever’s Law, the “any institution not explicitly anti-[whatever] becomes [whatever]” one. And it was never explicitly anti-. Couldn’t be helped. Not interesting. But it points to a more serious problem.
Numinous mysteriosity aside — and it is increasingly aside, don’t you sense? — the Church, the institution, is, or has become (again), or is becoming (again, again), or understands itself to be, increasingly, a worldly-political mover. One that, in case you’ve missed the memos, is explicitly (if incoherently) dedicated to international socialism.
It can’t be that without going soft on the Not Kill deal. So it has. And that didn’t happen last week.
So why are you still with it?
I know. But still. That has to end sometime, at something.
Doesn’t it? Ever?
Your friend Murphy needs to be black. No f’ing way a black kid gets turned away if he can spell HOPE.
This memo I did not receive. Do you have a source?
If abortion isn’t immoral or wrong, why do liberals want to keep it legal, but reduce the amount?
Why reduce abortion numbers if it is no more or less immoral than clipping your toe nails?
What we’ve come to in this country is… Liberals know it is wrong in their gut, but they’ve been told they have a RIGHT to kill the baby, and damn it, Obama is the only one who can take our rights away. No one else.
psycho, which Church am I with? Think about that.
Then tell me, of what are you a member?
To do so is essentially heresy, by definition…
And schism as well.
But its the result of marinating in an essentially Protestant culture for so long. A year ago I went to Minnesota for my cousin’s wedding. Minnesota, where the state religion was Lutheranism until they changed it to Whatever Goofy Shit Liberals Feel Like This Month. My family is Catholic, my cousin is Catholic, his bride is Catholic. And the priest gave a homily that involved props. Props. Like it was a damn magic show or something. I was ready for grape soda and potato chips for Communion.
So resistance to the dictates of Rome is not hard to trace the origins of. The desire to have your own Christianity is as old as Christianity itself. Else Paul wouldn’a hadda write them ‘pistles.
They don’t really – the “rare” part is a device so that otherwise decent people can mollify the moral dissonance and persist in deceiving themselves.
There is even an “abortion pride” movement that rears its head in fits and starts, but is selling such a horrific message that it isn’t allowed to be seen in the mainstream – yet.
The only way to link socialism with Organized Religion’s (yes, I’ve seen it happening, too) shift to softly supporting abortion is the theme of population overabundance and the desires of progressives to curb overabundances of any kind (just ask my wallet).
But aborting a fetii results in the expulsion of a soul. Most socialist – atheists deny the existence of a soul; religions shouldn’t exist if they deny the existence of souls. So, what I get from reading from your comment is that you believe Organized Religion is becoming (again?) just a convenient political tool of the same sorts of people progressives who aren’t so much religious. Because the concept of ‘soul’ has left their braincases.
Not even worthy of the moniker ‘hypocrites’, then, are they?
Catholic socialists suck ass I think.
“Catholic socialists suck ass I think,” happyfeet said helpfully.
I can kind of see where psycho is coming from. The “social justice” message I’ve heard from many priests and nuns, or read in Catholic literature, aligns quite nicely at times with secular socialist and leftist positions. I’ve always wondered, actually, why certain leftists seem so anti-catholic, when taking the abortion issue off the table would make them natural allies of many clergy members throughout the world.
That’s “liberation theology” — which is a heresy.
Wildly off-topic: Somali Cruises (h/t Black Five)
Regards,
Ric
“Social justice” means redistribution of my money to those someone else deems worthy. Why don’t thes “social justice” frauds practice what they preach. Abortion is the highest INJUSTICE in the history of mankind. Killing babies because the mommy was a slut.
gus, I’m with you on the substance of the issue, but not every woman who becomes pregnant in an unplanned circumstance is a “slut.” I don’t think throwing “slut” around is accurate, or particularly helpful to the cause.
I’ve known women who have become pregnant by accident – including one who heroically carried the baby to term and chose adoption – and not all were particularly promiscuous. To a certain extent, there is a large measure of luck involved, and to be quite honest, I have at times been less than careful with regard to ensuring that my boys don’t reach the finish line.
I know the US Catholic position regarding illegal immigration ( http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/ ) pisses this Catholic off to no end.
Also quotas and reverse-discrimination ( http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19480 ).
Not to mention welfare ( http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/8/2/6/0/p82600_index.html ).
Then again, I’m just not very religious anymore.
I was adopted and I think my mom person might have been a little slutty cause of the dad guy was very already married to someone else. Everything worked out really rather well in the end though so I think you can discount the sluttyness as a controlling factor. These days though it would probably be an open adoption and honestly? Ick if I had to have some slutty hoochie hovering over me all the time. That could really mess with a little pikachu I think. Open adoption is very gay.
I’m trying to figure out why an open adoption would mean some slutty hoochie would be hanging over someone all the time. My friend has two children via open adoption, and the birth mothers are out of the picture entirely.
oh. That is good, then. That would be different than other open adoptions where the birth mother is not out of the picture entirely is all … to where they send letters and call and visit and all that. I don’t think “open adoption” is a defined legal term.
Open Adoption is the healthiest form of adoption. We define open adoption as a form of adoption in which the birth family and the adopted child enjoy an ongoing, in-person relationship.*
I don’t know how definitive that is…
But how ick is this next part?
Adoption happens best within a progressive, non-profit agency setting. Featuring accountability, community ownership, a leveling of socioeconomic issues, and a systems perspective that seeks to balance the interests of all parties involved, agencies offer the most promising foundation for quality services.
No thank you go away you whore is what I would say I think.
Oh, my friend would not want a relationship with the birth mothers. They are very much not good people. He would never tolerate their presence.
I had no idea people did what you just said. Having the birth mother around? Nope. If the kid wants to find her some day when he’s grown up, fine. I know two people who were adopted. One of them had his birth mother (who he sought at in his 30s) and the mother who raised him walk him down the aisle at his wedding. The other guy has no desire to ever meet his birth mother. The only mother he has is the one he knows.
I think Charlie Weiss should be commended for not aborting the quadruplets he’s carrying. But geez, man, have you thought about forced labor? I mean, c’mon, aren’t they into their 17th trimester by now?
I’m with the latter friend and the former is … that just screams issues to me but perhaps I’m being uncharitable. It’s probably one of those no wrong way to do it things but from a closed adoption perspective there’s no such concept as “birth mother” that isn’t entirely contrived in your own head I don’t think. I’m very baby duck and imprinty about the whole thing I guess.
My dad (Notre Dame Alum) and I (accepted to, but chose not to attend) used to love sitting in front of the TV on Saturdays watching Notre Dame Football. A number of my family members attended the institution. My Grandfather was the last recipient of an Agriculture degree from Notre Dame. My Great-Grandfather was so enamored of the institution, its academic rigor and its Catholic theology backbone that he donated the funds for a faculty club and stocked it with rare beer steins from around the world. My entire family was generous with monetary donations, literary collections and rare coins.
Our relationship with the University came to screeching halt a few years ago when we were informed that the faculty club my Great Grandfather had helped to build and that bore his name was being torn down for a new building. Apparently gifts to the University are only kept while they are useful – when they become an obstruction or road block to “progress” they are cast aside. Luckily, we got the steins back and sold them at auction with the proceeds going to my Great Grandfather’s charitable foundation.
After this spectacle, I’m glad my family terminated their relationship with the University when it did.
Okay, let’s check for former altar boys here. Anyone else feel slightly panicky when they read transsubstantiation and realized they didn’t have a bell handy?
Two of my brothers are Domers,and they still love the place.But they won’t be sending their kids there.A university Provost told one,some years ago,,”We worry about turning into the Catholic Princeton.”Worry no more,guys.
if we oppose notre dame allowing the baby-killer in chief to talk at their university we want to kill homos according to nancyboy mcponytail the washed-up jazz musician go to his blog to check it out if you dare