I have no real problem with this, to be honest with you. After all, people should be allowed to spend their money where and how they want.
I do, however, have two quibbles: first, it seems to me the impulse behind such “movements” is the direct result of a social and pedagogical worldview that has done more to promote “racial” Balkanization than it has to promote the idea of legal colorblindness. As I’ve written many times, I find this strategy for easing racial tensions to be remarkably counterproductive.
Second, while I support the idea behind this movement — if blacks (or whites, or Asians) want to patronize a business based on some particular physical factor of the people who own that business, that is their prerogative — I do find it unfair that the President, evidently in an effort to show his support, has decided to take over ownership of a host of private industry.
I mean, that’s kinda stacking the deck now, isn’t it?
Really takes the challenge out of it for the “buy black” experiment, if you ask me…
Standing, standing, standing. Who that has standing will stand? (It recalls the Schechter brothers of Rockaway.) And in any event, even in a successful suit in demand of the satisfaction of their rights, it will take years.
Dang, the indians/NAs have been here longer than 400 years and they dont have a Walgreens either….
Once you buy black you never buy . . . mayonnaise.
Let’s voluntarily segregate ALL our business patronage along racial lines. Just as an experiment. I’d like to see how this works out for the owners of these businesses.
“..if blacks (or whites, or Asians) want to patronize a business based on some particular physical factor of the people who own that business, that is their prerogative… ”
That reminds me, think I’ll go to Hooters for lunch.
The bright side of this is that more black owned businesses means more blacks getting mugged by the progressives. An important political lesson, that.
I agree that people should absolutely be able to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak, and if they feel that black-only businesses are the only ones that deserve their hard earned money, by all means they should live up to their mantra.
The reality is that this really isn’t an effective nor efficient way of promoting black empowerment, if that is in fact the goal. It’s similar to the disasterous argument for slavery reparations that will end up hurting business that the same black people work for.
I think these folks would be better off becoming successful and starting their own black-owned businesses instead of trying to drive fourty miles for toothpaste to assuage their black guilt.
The other reality is that the upcoming generations are less and less homogenous than the previous one, and sooner or later racism will die a lonely neglected death.
Which left Mike Wallace thinking, “But you are a black man!”
It’s odd cause the people what you are buying shit from can take your purchase for granted and tailor their product for the white folks what are free to spend their monies wherever they want.
How many pounds of carbon is that 40-mile drive dumping into the atmosphere?
Black Superiorists don’t care about Gaia.
Simple, commonsense advice. Unfortunately, the ones for whom this advice would do the most good are the ones that aren’t listening.
So if I buy the new Camarro will I be participating in this as well?
What would the press response be to white people patronizing only white-owned businesses? It it to puzzle, no?
Whenever I read a Morgan Freeman quote, I can hear his voice in my head saying the words.
So far, he has been benign. I can’t promise it will stay that way.
No.
We had that when I was growing up. Blacks were expected to patronize black-run businesses, and whites went to white-run ones. Liberals had a name for that arrangement. They called it “segregation”, and were against it.
People have been quoting Robert Heinlein on the other threads. Perhaps the one you need to reread is the thoroughly disagreeable Farnham’s Freehold.
Regards,
Ric
Yeah, but now they call it “multiculturalism” and are for it.
this sort of thing sounds benign enough under traditional standards of economic prerogative, but in practice, it looks like black people have a lot to lose if put into practice.
Shorter Mcgruder: Whole Foods ain’t worried; the dry-cleaners or corner deli might start to sweat some.
Sorry, ric, I thought my facetiousness was discernable enough when I posted the comment.
kelly — it was. I just thought it was worth spelling it out.
Which is the point. If they don’t stay on the reservation the cavalry brings ’em back.
Regards,
Ric
There are lots of black supremacists in Detroit. I’m sure they’d love this stuff.
We’re regressing, as a society. It’s sad.
Being that the unemployment rates among blacks are almost doubled the rates of whites, I believe it is important that blacks promote and support black own businesses. It is a matter of survival.
Being that the unemployment rates among blacks are almost doubled the rates of whites, I believe it is important that blacks promote and support black own businesses. It is a matter of survival.
You wanna explain how that works? ’cause, are blacks only employed by blacks?
I think if you’re unemployed you really should give serious serious thought to getting the best value for your money instead of promoting teh social justice but what do I know?
Carin, I’m sure that when those black supremacists look around Detroit, they feel an overwhelming sense of pride in their accomplishments, you hater.
Well, jadee, I’m almost certain that if I search the lofts and attics around here — and even more in my original home in East Texas — I can find a lot of the old signs. You know, “WHITE” and “COLORED”. We took ’em down under the assumption that they wouldn’t be needed any more, but I reckon there’s a lot of folks who just can’t bear to throw anything out.
As for black unemployment: so long as you keep teaching them that they can’t be Authentically Black if they “act white” — that is, speak intelligibly (to non-blacks), show up on time, and actually do the work, black unemployment will remain high.
Regards,
Ric
This is OT, sorry:
Is there an add-on for Firefox 3.0 that will prevent video or audio files from starting automatically when you open a Web page? Such as happens with YouTube?
I’m about to become a danger to myself and others. It annoys me JUST that much.
If we started a “buy white” movement we would be called racists. When did this kind of racism become acceptable? Or is this another one of those racist things where any other race can do it except a white person? Am I just going to have to get use to this as I am still getting use to being called the racial slur “cracker?” It’s your money, and you can use it how you like, but if you are truly going to accept this form of racism then you should also learn this form: I will not sell my product or services to you because of your race. And this form: I no longer have to follow the rules of affirmative action. I’ll only hire those whom I feel are qualified regardless of race.
I don’t care who you are or where you came from. If you have a product or service I need and I believe you are better than the other guy at the price I want then I’ll buy it from you. I don’t base my decisions off of what race they are. Shame on anyone who does.
Which story below is racist?
1:
A white guy walks into a store, grabs a bag of chips, is about to pay when he notices the owner is a black man. The white guy says, “Oh, I’m sorry. I don’t buy things from someone of your race.†and walks out of the store.
2:
A black guy walks into a store, grabs a bag of chips, is about to pay when he notices the owner is a white man. The black guy says, “Oh, I’m sorry. I don’t buy things from someone of your race.†and walks out of the store.
According to this “buy black†movement apparently only number 1 is.
Oh well this will never work anyway. Half the crap we buy comes from Mexico anyway.
Let’s take this idea to the next step. Black people should only work for black people, and white people should only work for white people, and Mexicans should only work for Mexicans. Let’s see waht happens to the unemployment rate among hispanics and blacks. Separatism, segregation, or whatever you want to call it, is a GIANT STEP BACKWARDS for this country. It’s too bad having a half black President is actually hurting the black communities.
Gee, I wonder why no one ever talks about BO being a white man with a black father…..instead of a black man with a white mother? ? ? ? ?
I had a movement this morning, it wasn’t black though, thank goodness.
PhK:
You nailed it correctly. Imagine if a white person told me (a black person) he wouldn’t buy from me because I’m black……I would label him a racist, and rightfully so. The Buy Black group is as racist as they come, and it’s wrong, regardless of who perpetrates it.
Imagine our outrage if the CAUCASION COLLEGE FUND advertised on TV, or if our cable channel started airing WHITE ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK……you can’t have it both ways.
I have nothing to add, so I’ll just say “Fo’ shizzle.”
OUTLAW!
This is b.s. If white people started a “buy white” movement then we’d have a problem. I for one am sick of the double standard. Just because “your people”-Qoute from her not me-(self segregation in motion, after all aren’t we all just people-Imagine if I said “You People” to a black person) don’t have a walgreens doesn’t mean it’s anyone else’s fault. How about all white people buy from only white stores and all latino’s buy from only latino’s stores and poof it’s the 1800’s all over again. Martin Luther King would be proud. All that hard fought effort for equality and people then want to seperate themselves, ironic. About the comment about unemployment among blacks, nobody forces people to drop out of school or not reach for their dreams, in fact, public school is free, and there are grant for college-especially for minorities. The culture is to blame, I know black people, they say things like “sell out” if one dates a white person or goes of and gets a degree and a job “they’re acting white” and the ever popular N-word that everybody but whites can say, is self stereotyping and segregation. How about people start acting smart and instead of trying to make the world the way that’s best for you, realize the way the world work and take advantage of it. If they are so worried that black people don’t have enough businesses then they should lead by example and start one. Not buy something based one the color of the person selling it-that’s racist.
I believe most people that are posting here are White Americans. Let me give you a bit of persepective from a Black American point of view. When I first heard of this venture, I wasn’t very pleased. I thought, well, we are all Americans and it should not matter where we shop. I do believe that, however, when I got past my initial reaction, I understood what they are attempting to do. Firstly, lets not get emotional about this. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with economics (Asians do it and Latinos do it, and there is little complaint about that). Historically, business owned by Black Americans are at a disadvantage because they do not enjoy mainstream patronage as do businesses owned by Whites. There are reasons, of course. They are typically in Black neighborhoods, White people usually prefer to patronize Whites, and at times (though not always) the service is not up to par. For example, I live in an affluent, but mixed neighborhood. The service is excellent anywhere you go. My sister and her husband live in a pedominantly Black neighborhood where the income level is middle to upper-middle, however, she claims that the service is, for the most part, terrible. She prefers to shop and dine where I live. As a whole, the service issue needs to be addressed. I apologize in advance to the Black business that do attempt to attain excellence in that aspect, there are some. What this couple who are rallying around Black businesses should do instead is attempt to attract business from outside their community, a campaign of sorts. This will create a longer lasting effect on their business. They need to intergrate their customers/clientele. It is an attempt to help communities that are hardest hit by this recession, but the solution needs to be broader and better planned.
Ric, Those signs might be physically down, but it is obvious to me that mentally, you still have them up. Take them to the attic and leave them there!
I believe it was Louis Farrakhan who said that Black people cannot be racist. I black person would act out of ethnic pride, the implicit understanding being that if a white person does anything anti-black it is racist, but a black person never does anything anti-white, he just does things pro-black, therefore it is not racist.
Also reminds me of a study a while back that was conducted to find out why 85% of violent offenders in one particular state prison were black. The black pride group alleged it was because 85% of the cops were white – it could never be that 85% of the criminals were black, right? Must be us perpetually racist whites. Dang I never should have sold my slaves – oh, wait a minute, my family emigrated here in the 1900s from Norway and have never owned slaves. Ah, but we must have _wanted_ to…
Eh, Christians have been doing this a long time, it has no effect on culture or economics beyond propping up some businesses that would not otherwise continue.
I like the Morgan Freeman approach. Which was also, IIRC, the Martin Luther King approach.
There is hope here. That is a recognition that the perceived problem is self-inflicted, not a case of the white man keeping anybody down. Combine that with this:
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and this and this, and you have the start of a movement.
Jadee, if you were lurking as long as I have, you would know that is not an appropriate comment regarding Ric Locke by any means.
Jolie, it has EVERYTHING to do with race when a person only wants to do business with a company based on the COLOR of who owns it or works there. In the days my grandparents grew up in, white business routinely posted signs saying that would not serve black people….and that is exactly the type of crap the Buy Black movement is trying to start again………more steps backwards…..
No, most of us are Americans.
A white friend of mine was just in my office and was reading this comments on my computer and he asked me if it angers me to see BLACK people acting so racist and actually hurting the “black movemnet”….and yes, it does. Its very sad to me, its like watching a self-destructive friend go down in flames.
I also took a lot of heat from other blacks because I didn’t vote for BO….they all said I should have, BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Voting for someone because of their color is just as wrong as doing business with someone because of their color. Pull your heads out!!!!
#34 – Further proof that screeching “RACIST” is the last refuge of a liberal losing an argument…
Wonder if “steal black” works the same?
I call this the anti-Dr. King speech.
“I dream of the day when a man is judged for the color of his skin, not the content of his character”
Might be true in some areas like, say, Bar Harbor, Maine, but how about Detroit? DC? LA? Chicago?
I see your point, but on the other hand it could spur a sense of entrepreneurship among blacks that is sorely lacking in many communities. Anything that combats the sense of helplessness poor blacks are being continually indoctrinated with is basically a good thing, I think, even if some of the motivations may be questionable.
Jadee: Hunh? How is anybody supposed to know?
I mean, here you are, driving down the street, and you feel an urge for a Slurpee® and a fried pie. There’s a stop&rob (=”7-11″, “convenience store”, “ice house”) right there — but how do you know if it’s owned by a black person? If you go inside, the clerk might be white, or Asian, or (in the case of the one I patronize most often) Pakistani Pashtun. The owner might not even be on the premises, and as such stores don’t make big money, they’re usually part of a chain or consortium that makes a decent property overall — and, in such a case, the owner is almost certainly miles away. Without a sign, how will you know whether it’s a “black business” or not?
::sigh:: Half a century ago, your predecessors came to me and mine and told us we were hypocrites, talking big about freedom and opportunity while keeping people down for reasons that were at best excuses and at worst totally false. They were correct, and managed to convince enough of us that the system ought to be taken down. It hurts my heart, in more ways than one, to see it being re-established, especially since most of the “reasons” for the re-establishment could be direct quotes from front-porch conversations around home circa, say, 1959.
Regards,
Ric
“White people usually prefer to patronize Whites”
Fuck you.
He is?? I thought his mother was white.
OT aside addressed to Mr Pink: dude, my Caps-knot-in-stomach feeling is coming on bad just now. Here’s hoping Boudreau has the good sense to put Don Brashear back into the lineup and get him on the ice. Could be the difference between winning and losing.
Jolie, you may be attempting to get us to look at the other side, but you’re failing, and here’s why: Your entire comment was nothing more than the kind of grievance-boilerplate that induces instantaneous glazing of the eyes.
To wit:
I believe most people that are posting here are White Americans. Let me give you a bit of persepective from a Black American point of view
How do you know, and why does that matter? Is the expression of a classical liberal/color-blind point of view ipso facto proof of whiteness? What manner of message does that send?
When I first heard of this venture, I wasn’t very pleased. I thought, well, we are all Americans and it should not matter where we shop. I do believe that, however, when I got past my initial reaction, I understood what they are attempting to do. Firstly, lets not get emotional about this.
Grievance Boilerplate Step 1: The appeal/respect to the opposite point of view, followed by denigration of same as an “initial” and “emotional” reaction, un-considered and therefore illogical and false.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with economics (Asians do it and Latinos do it, and there is little complaint about that).
Grievance Boilerplate Step 2: Denial that what is explicitly ethnic is not ethnic, with unsubstantiated red herring (Do Asians do this? All of them? Really?)
Historically, business owned by Black Americans are at a disadvantage because they do not enjoy mainstream patronage as do businesses owned by Whites. There are reasons, of course. They are typically in Black neighborhoods, White people usually prefer to patronize Whites, and at times (though not always) the service is not up to par.
Grievance Boilerplate Step 3: The use of the word “Historically” as cover for a series of statements as questionable as they are mysterious (What does “mainstream patronage” mean? Does it mean “white customers”? Why not just say that? Do you have any figures for black businesses and white patronage? If I buy a pair of Sean John shades, and I am a honky, does that count? How about a Wu-Tang Clan Album, assuming Wu-Tang owns their publishing rights?).
For example, I live in an affluent, but mixed neighborhood. The service is excellent anywhere you go. My sister and her husband live in a pedominantly Black neighborhood where the income level is middle to upper-middle, however, she claims that the service is, for the most part, terrible. She prefers to shop and dine where I live. As a whole, the service issue needs to be addressed. I apologize in advance to the Black business that do attempt to attain excellence in that aspect, there are some. What this couple who are rallying around Black businesses should do instead is attempt to attract business from outside their community, a campaign of sorts. This will create a longer lasting effect on their business. They need to intergrate their customers/clientele. It is an attempt to help communities that are hardest hit by this recession, but the solution needs to be broader and better planned.
Grievance Boilerplate Step 4: Finally, the tacit admission that the problem isn’t ethnic at all, covered by a vague call for a “broader, better planned” solution (which means, guess who?).
Look, I think I get what you were trying to say, but you threw in so much stuff that reads to ofay wingnuts like myself as code for “Yeah, but we’re gonna do it anyway, man, cause there ain’t nothin’ and no one can say we don’t have the right to it!” that I could just as easily have missed it.
Businesses that don’t appeal to a wide clientele don’t get one. That’s what you said. I happen to agree. Race doesn’t belong in the discussion, is my point.
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Yeah it would be nice if they put him back in just so he could smash Crosby’s next time he camps out by the goal.
I’d sooner he clocks Orpik.
I get the whole deal about being tolerant and understanding about other peoples points of view Andrew but when someone throws out fighting words like “you whites only shop at white businesses” they should just be told to go fuck themselves. IMHO
Actually –
I have a slightly different interpretation of the issue.
Maggie and John Anderson stated, and I have no specific reason to think that they are lying, that they wished to patronize black businesses as a means of helping the black community. Good. The black business community needs help just like any other business community right about now.
I for example, try to choose products not made in China as I have no desire for my money to fund the development of the weapons that the Chinese will use in a war against America. The Chinese military owns many manufacturing plants in China and uses prison/slave labor to keep costs down.
I do not avoid ‘Made in China’ goods due to having some innate belief that Chinese workers are too stupid to assemble things correctly {although vastly inferior QA standards can play a part}; or, that the products are innately inferior due to the Chinese being innately inferior to me.
If the Andersons avoided ‘white’ businesses on those grounds, then I would believe them to be racists. There is no scientific proof that whites are racially inferior, or innately have inferior business skills.
But, as an example, I know several black women that avoid ‘white’ cosmetic lines, as the skin tones offered for the blushes/powders do not resemble their skin tone in any way. Likewise, they avoid ‘white’ clothing boutiques, as they simply don’t like the fashions that are offered. (This is also something of an age thing, as most black women that I know are professionals and don’t like dressing like teenagers. Neither do I and teens are the target shoppers for most of the mall boutiques.)
I don’t think anyone here would call these women racists and yet they do engage in a similar behavior.
They patronize black business because they feel the black owner/operators have a better chance of meeting their likes and dislikes of products.
PS. I do know several black, professional, men. I just don’t talk about clothes and make-up with them … hiking gear, motorcycles, or their kids, but not clothes and make-up.
: -)
There is a black clothing store in Athens that has been popular with us rock and roller types for years. None of my normal friends out in the real world ever shop there.
“Jolie, you may be attempting to get us to look at the other side, but you’re failing, and here’s why: Your entire comment was nothing more than the kind of grievance-boilerplate that induces instantaneous glazing of the eyes.”
Thanks for your comments Andrew the Noisy #52, I apologize if what I was trying to say did not come across well or clearly especially on the historical points but my bottom line is that this attempt to “help” Black-owned businesses is misguided and that a solution would be to expand horizons and reach out to everyone, no matter what the race through marketing outside the community (hence where I said broader) and uping the ante on service. Hope that makes more sense.
Hey who cares about Blacks buying from Blacks? Blacks are so yesterday! While Blacks are screaming racism and poor me and buy from me Mexicans and other Latins are steadily taking every job available. Not only are we taking jobs that whites and blacks don’t want we are steadily taking the jobs you wish you had as well. While the weak Black man cries that “he shall overcome” The Mexicans scream “we shall OVERWHELM!” We learned from the white man how to assimilate. Go to a country filled with people and DISCOVER IT. Don’t learn the native’s language! Force your own language on them! That’s why every place you go you find English and Spanish not English and Ebonics! Mexicans and other Latins are already the largest minority and soon we will be the MAJORITY!!!. Salsa over Ketchup, Tacos over the Sandwhich, see the trend!!!! The best the blacks could do was Obama Half Black Half White. When we put someone in the oval office he/she will be 100 percent MEXICAN!!!!
Well, this is interesting. “Buy Black” movement is fine. If blacks are targeting other blacks to buy from black owned establishments, that is their right! I think we all agree on that. I, personally will like to see the reaction when “Buy White” comes along, as it will! This won’t be a problem either, will it!!? I’d like to see your answers to that! There is a double standard brewing in America, I call it a little word I made up reverseism! You can call it what you like. I mean, black only colleges, black only buisnesses,etc, etc. What’s next, black only water fountains?(sarcasim intended) Didn’t blacks, as well as whites, in America fight, rally, protest and die to stop White folks from practicing the exact things mentioned above that blacks practice today!!? Hmmm, Yes they did! Seems blacks are going backwards, not forwards in that regard. About Pres. Obama, if he is voicing his approval of this, it is his right, but it will be a political hurdle for him if he is buying into these establishments(money) while he is the president of the USA. I think that is wrong and needs to be stopped!
The local Oriental Grocery Store (that’s the name, don’t attack me) gets a relatively small non-Asian business.
It might be me, but I thought it was because the ingredients are unfamiliar to most, the packaging incomprehensible, the selection limited, and the DVDs for rent not subtitled. The prices are slightly on the high side and there is a supermarket two stores down the street.
My wife lets me come with her when she shops there. She does the other half of the grocery shopping at Wegmans, but I guess it’s OK for her to go there, because I’m white.
This ethnic purity shopping is a drag. I feel welcome everywhere, because my money is green.
The reason one ought to go to the World Famous Florida Ave. Grill Since 1944 is the stunningly good food at breakfast time, or lunch, or dinner. Ain’t that enough?
White people usually prefer to patronize Whites
I’ve found most white people are patronizing to everyone – if they are leftists.
Exactly, if the businesses start acting exclusionary then I might have a problem with it, but folks are free to spend there money where ever they choose. I can’t help but like the idea of something that encourages more black entrepenuership and doesn’t cost me money.
Obama needs to nationalize GM quickly so blacks aren’t stuck with just Chrysler products to choose from
Some observations, from the linked feature in question:
“The idea is a sound one, given that black Americans are still underrepresented in the ranks of the self-employed and that entrepreneurship is a key component to wealth,” Price said.
There’s a simple solution to that: DON’T BLOW YOUR CREDIT RATING ON RIMS AND GRILLZ, AND YOU’RE MORE LIKELY TO GET THAT SMALL BIZ LOAN.
One of the businesses highlighted by the Empowerment Experiment is Brenda Brown’s Atlanta wine boutique, a shop with a growing black clientele. She said the project can help overcome the problems many black consumers lament.
“When we were a community of black folks who could not go to the white stores, our community of black stores flourished,” Brown said. “When we were given the opportunity to go into the white store, it was like nothing else mattered anymore and we wanted to go to the white store, regardless of what the black store provided. We could have the same or better products if we supported (black businesses) in the same way.”
Will the black-only wine boutiques stock exclusively from black-owned wineries producing from black-owned vineyards, or are they gonna lax standards on some of their principles? I’m curious to Ms. Brown’s solution to her biz plan.
I have a similar smile when I encounter married feminists who’ve refused their husbands’ last names, oblivious to the fact that keeping daddy’s isn’t exactly the fatal blow to the patriarchy.
Ric,First of all,I think my comments has been exaggerated and taken far out of context from what I was trying to convey. I am not saying to stop patronizing any business because of race or ethnic group.Considering the number of black owned -vs- white owned, it would be inconvenient and unrealistic for me as a consumer to only buy from people of my own race.
What I am saying, because of the disadvantages and the lack of support of some black owned businesses, I see nothing wrong with blacks supporting black businesses if they offer quality goods or services. I have no problem with whites supporting black businesses either. I believe you view things as though there is an even playing field. The reality is, that is not true. I have supported far more white owned businesses than I did black owned, and some of them acted like they were doing me a favor.
How many black owned businesses did you support??
Jolie at #58, thanks for being a sport about my snark. I figured I had your intent right. If I was unnecessarily gruff, accept my apologies. I’ve had a bad week.
I have a similar smile when I encounter married feminists who’ve refused their husbands’ last names, oblivious to the fact that keeping daddy’s isn’t exactly the fatal blow to the patriarchy.
An old observation, but the feminists deserve it. They remind me of the aliens in the Body Snatchers remake from ’95, the one where whenever the clone finds an authentic human, they point and issue an ungodly scream that alerts all their others from miles around.
This is great, shop wherever you want. But I feel the same about this as I do ALL racial division. It’s wrong. But that being said how would the minority community respont if you had a WET network, or how about the UnitedCaucasionCollegeFund, NAAWP, MissWhiteAmerica contest. I realize that racism still exists, but isn’t there a better way to solve these problems. Last i checked slavery doesn’t exist in america anymore. And if you are a black person still tore up about slavery I have only one thing to say to you. Look in the mirror. Last time I was in wallmart you can’t buy slaves in America however the slave trade is still booming in Africa! Africans have been enslaving Africans for thousands of years, and continue too even today. That being said I can end racism forever in the next 100 years. Just make it against the law to procreate with your own race. In 100 years there would be only one race. THE HUMAN RACE…. oh i’m sorry there is only one race now, we’re just all to stupid to see it, we’re too busy crying about who has the best tan. Come on people I’m over here, come join the human race, it’s a big universe if we get our stuff together maybe we can see some more of it. If there are aliens out there they may stop by and say hello, just think if we can get past racism, we could move up to speciesism. Just don’t let your daughter marry one of those green tentacled freaks.
Peace Out
Jadee can you put a couple less fucked up assumptions in one paragraph or is that asking too much?
I believe you view things as though there is an even playing field. The reality is, that is not true. I have supported far more white owned businesses than I did black owned, and some of them acted like they were doing me a favor.
How many black owned businesses did you support??
Ah, the “even playing field” excuse. Next to “access”, this is the grievance-merchant’s favorite dodge.
Surprise, Virginia! Being poor makes life harder. Being poor and growing up in a culture of toxic despair and redneck-derived antisocial barbarism makes life harder yet. Now, a clever dick might suggest that I’m equating these things with “black culture” or the “black experience.” I am not, as I’ve known actual black people and found them, LO!, to be like myself in most ways that counted. The “black culture” canard is a favorite of excuse-mongering lefties and the rest of the grievance industry. So perhaps I shouldna brought the damn thing up, but it is that, and not the insidious R, which tips the playing field.
All of which is completely irrelevant to people supporting businesses that offer quality goods and services. Quality goods and services meeting people that want and can afford such things = cash money in the pocket. This is not rocket science. This is not race science. This is people doing business.
How many black-owned businesses have I supported? Don’t know, and don’t care. I spend my money where it gets me the things that I want with the most value and convenience. The day I start flipping through the BBB website, doing racial profiling on store-owners is the day I pin a white star to my chest and start looking for the nearest boxcar. May as well get in ahead of the rush.
Looks like Boudreau is going with Beagle, Pink.
Yeah I figured he would after he did it in Game 6. They probably do not like the matches they are getting with the Pens.
jadee, I, too, see nothing wrong with patronizing “black businesses” OR ANY OTHERS if they provide quality goods and services. That’s how it’s supposed to work. If the business provides quality goods and services, people buy there and the business is successful. If people don’t buy there, it’s supposed to be a broad hint that the quality of goods and services on offer aren’t up to the customers’ standard.
Ethnic specialties are a red herring in this connection. An “Oriental Grocery” selling Oriental products is providing specialized goods and services with a particular target market. So is a store selling cosmetics and personal-care items targeted toward black customers. Black people have (as a rule, and with many exceptions, especially under the “one drop” standard) different skin colors and textures and different hair from those of the other “races” — products aimed at straight-haired blondes aren’t much use to Juliette (Baldilocks), for instance, not that she uses very many hair care products anyway.
But encouraging, or requiring for “authenticity”, blacks to patronize only black-owned or black-operated establishments encourages poor management, poor customer relations, and poor and/or expensive goods and services. If the shop owner can be crass and insulting, can stock crap and charge high prices for it, and still get business because he’s black, there is no reason whatever for him to improve.
Note also that one of the main reasons for failure of black-owned businesses is customers’ resentment of the owners. A store has to turn a profit, or it won’t be there for very long — and if the customer base resents that, and accuses the proprietor of “acting white” for trying to keep his or her head above water, the store will fail. That’s why so many businesses in predominately black areas have Oriental, Indian, or Middle Eastern owners. The black businesses they replaced failed because the clientele insisted that they didn’t have to pay, or didn’t have to pay so much, or had to have unlimited credit — entitlement mentality: you got to help the brothers out, you know? A Pashtun or Hindu can’t be appealed to that way. You can shoot them the next time there’s a riot, as happened in LA. It does not improve either the quality or the prices, though.
Regards,
Ric
A store has been in an area for 10 years. Good people, great service and quality. They have never had a problem paying rent because the money is good. They even give what they can in donations to the town. The owner is happy and planning for the future. The next day a new store opens up right next to them selling the same thing, but the owner is black. 80% of the community they are in are African American. This “buy black†movement would kill their business for no other reason than the owner of the other store is black.
Why should a business succeed? Because people want what they sell. Should a business survive only because it is run by a black person? No.
I want to think I understand why they are doing this. I want to believe that they want to help out those of their race. There’s nothing wrong with that. But saying flat out I will only buy from a business whose owner is black just sounds wrong. I have to wonder, does this actually help out the black community or just those few who own the business? I would love to see a list of the business these people are buying from now only because of race and find out how well the business was doing beforehand. Where they successful or struggling? It would be such a great thing to find out they were struggling before and are doing better now thanks to their community pulling together to help out. It would be an entirely different thing to find out if those businesses were already successful. Well who knows, this group might be able to help start a new black owner run Wal-Mart franchise. Only problem is I wouldn’t be able to shop there. I’m white.
Quite a few, actually. The Bride of Monster works around the corner from the original Arthur Bryant’s BBQ, so whenever she picks up anything there, she’s supporting a black-owned business, just for starters. But we don’t judge them by the color of their skin, but by the flavor of their meat.
What?
How many black owned businesses did you support??
Don’t know. Don’t care.
#77 jadee: It’s good form to elucidate a bit. Just what has you puzzled?
Regards,
Ric
If you really, really want your black friend’s business to succeed, you’re going to have to lower yourself to inviting some whites to go there with you. It’s a distasteful job, but sometimes a man’s gotta do…
Let’s voluntarily segregate ALL our business patronage along racial lines. Just as an experiment. I’d like to see how this works out for the owners of these businesses.
Chinatown, Koreatown, Little Russia, Little Ethiopia, etc.
I don’t think that the “Buy Black” idea is a good one right now, but let’s not pretend that it’s a new concept.
seems to me we should try to include our self with the rest of the populous. im white my ancestors were from europe but im not european-american. my relatives that are still in europe can get bent for all i care im american. if you were born in america so are you. now if there are afreakin-americans that want to shop only at black owned businesses they are still singling there self out. you cant single your self out in america and expect to be treated like everyone else.you cant brag about being rich or gripe about being poor. if i walked around calling myself european-american my friends would kick my ass. and they should because im american. look when we fill out an application or any paperwork that asks ethinicity lets all check the OTHER box and write in american. were all special in this country because were all AMERICANS thats it nothing else. so when i need to go shoppin ill go where i go i bet the pepsi at the store in the hood tastes just like the one from wal-mart. so lets all do what morgan freeman said. and lets not label our selves.
Jadee, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’d be happy if businesses put an “I voted for Obama” sign in their window. Then I would be able to select them.
Select them for not doing business, that is.
I get the whole deal about being tolerant and understanding about other peoples points of view… but when someone throws out fighting words like [#53 & #54] they should just be told to go…
Get a room.
As most of you can probably figure out, I’m on the side of freedom; spend your money where you want, reap the benefits and suffer the consequences. I do think that a “Buy Black” movement, however, exacerbates the wounds newly opened between the races.
One other thing (with another however): please stop pretending that racial issues don’t have a history. That’s directed at some of my fellow Americans who are white. You know who you are. (Definitely not Ric.)
I find this subject unique, moreover, I find some of the responses most astonishing. While no one comes out and admits to patronizing businesses of member of their own ethnic group, we know it happens ALL the time. I take no position as this is a right one has as an American. However, if anyone is inclined, please visit my URL and click on to “Sincerely Yours” located on the right hand side under the icons. I also invite you to enjoy the works of this black author. Bless all of you and for what it’s worth, black Americans do need your patronage as they often struggle more than most any other ethnic group to get loans, usually with usury interest rates, and they must also fight against thieving local criminals to keep their businesses from going under. Needless to say, it is not easy being a black entrepreneur in Americaa; I applaud those who stay the course despite daily challenges from a myriad of sources, including those in their own communities.
#72 & #73
I blush.
Seriously, Christians tried this for about 75 years, there are Christian yellow pages, Christian book sellers, Christian schools, Christian music, etc. The whole thing was because of pride in faith and fear of the community and society which seemed to be turning on the faith. All it did was mean Christians lost all influence and impact on culture by segregating themselves. Not exactly a great path to walk.
Thank God money is Green.
I figured we would be past this by now. Just wont let it rest. My family was from Irish Slaves, I want my reperations in the form of Potatoes…
88
Freakin first period over and the Pens are up by two. I swear someone has cursed all D.C. area sportsteams.
I tapped out at 5 goals down. Someone tell me when the beating is over.
Sheesh, that didn’t last long Pink, though, expectations wise, I can’t say I’m surprised. The Penguins were defeated in their Cup attempt last year and I’ve long believed such things are the stuff of the best motivation in the follow-on years, everything else being equal. Well, that and the Caps forwards don’t play defense much and their defensemen can’t outlet the zone to save their lives. Way to go Pittsburgh, huzzah.
Five zip? Crap.
enguinsPay.
The Caps defensemen suck and can’t clear the puck. I can’t watch anymore. It was 5-1 last time I checked.
The beating is over.
Bring on the Beans.
guinsPen! Stuff the Bruins or Stomp the ‘Canes? Whaddya think?
Baked Beans.
Well, good luck on the future whichever one it is.
Dead Wings !
As a B’s fan? I’d rather see the Penguins. That’s IF we can get by the ‘Canes tommorow!!
I think I’ll pick up a root for the Ducks sign and put’t in the yard ’til they’re eliminated too.
good luck on the future
Uh-O!
Seriously can any team in the D.C. area win?
Yea yeah….only one ‘m’…I know!! Did I mention that I just opened a store? “TYPOS ‘R’ US”…It’s a white owned company, but all are welcome to come in and peruse our fine selection of misspellings.
What, like Buston Brines?
Mr Pink? Yes, teams in the DC are can win. Look at he Liberals!! They won and can’t stop reminding us (to shut up)..
As far as Sport teams go? Nah, not so much….
Ah yes, the Buston Brines…One of our finest selections in the “Sports” category…But pleas to check out our food aisle, wwith specialties including Psghetti and aspagarus!!
As a B’s fan? I’d rather see the Penguins.
As a Beans fan, you have no choice.
You’ve lost me here.
Hmmm…I’m assuming the Penguins won tonight? Good on them!!
I’m NOT assuming my Bruins will win tomorrow night. We’ll see. But Chara can negate either Crosby or Malkin, and Thomas is a WORLD above Fleury…
Chara can negate either Crosby or Malkin
But not both.
Thomas is a WORLD above Fleury
Some say Froggy.
No, he can’t do both, but Lucic can hammer either.
Team speed? equal. All around offense? Penguins. Defense? Bruins. Goaltending? Bruins.
“The best offense is a good defense” (Stuff Jefferson said circa that time the damned Canadiens beat us in ’71)
You deny Thomas is a world above Fleury?
A POX on you sir!!!
I am depressed.
Sorry MR Pink…On the bright side? Adam Dunn is kickin’ ass!!!
Him all I can think of in this instance is isn’t this another form of Blacks sued to get on MTV then creat BET, They pushed for music to be involved in rock music awards which has left the definition of rock confusing and the Black entertainment awards are created. Now if we want to answer the question if a white man walks into a store and decides not to buy when seeing the owner is black all we have to do is create WET white entertainment television and see what happens. I’m all for equal rights the key word being equal Morgan Freeman has a point a very good one we should all follow. At the rate were going Farnhams Freehold could become a reality.
Here’s a better plan. Start a business. Assume the risk. Build the sweat equity. Provide excellent service and/or a quality product at a good value. Take pride in doing those things, and trumpet those facts to your target market. Profit.
If you build it, and it doesn’t suck, they will come. If it’s awesome, they’ll come in droves. Most people, blacks included, don’t give a shit what color you are if you treat them right and make them feel like they got a good value for their money.
As for unemployment rates, it would help if the high school graduation rates and teen/unwed pregnancy rates weren’t also double the average. The short lesson: You reap what you sow.
That should be dropout rates, obviously.
A POX on you sir!!!
I’ll see your Pox and raise you a Hal Gill.
If you have a good product, people will buy it. I know there are racists out there in many races. But for the most part, people will buy a good product. People are always going to favor their own race. That is not going to stop. But if the product is bad then you would only hurt yourself by not buying a good product.
This is a step back! A great thing just happened with Barack being voted in. He would not have won if whites did not vote for him. Lets use this as some sort of momentum builder and not go against it. I have never been more optimistic about race in this country when Barack was voted in. I really wish a Martin Luther King type person would appear out of nowhere and help take this momentum and make it unstoppable. Race issues in this country is a scary thing. Don’t know if we will ever solve it. I see it everyday and it bothers the hell out of me. This “buy black movement” will open up a can of worms.
This is what I have been trying to convey, as usual Ric did a much better job. The idea of blacks supporting black businesses, or any businesses for that matter, rather than being openly hostile to anyone trying to make a buck, is a completely new attitude in many communities, and one that could really benefit these same communities.
Bless all of you and for what it’s worth, black Americans do need your patronage as they often struggle more than most any other ethnic group to get loans, usually with usury interest rates
Bullshit.
My apologies if I’ve missed this upthread but how can you tell the difference between black-owned and black-managed? I’ve seen the signs in the window but that’s not verified.
This was already a general theme when I lived on the south side of Chicago in the early to mid ’90s. And, for every business that was black owned, there were another three with non-black silent partners. I think Rezko played this role for awhile, in fact.
To the larger point, this has less to do with demand and more to do with supply. If a black person opens up a business in a black neighborhood, this will happen by default if they run a good operation. So, if the message is, greater black entrepreneurship? Great. I’m all for it. If the message is, black folk should waste gas and time when shopping? No. Doesn’t make much sense.
And, well, this can’t be ignored. There is a great deal of variety here though. I never heard this from guys getting a haircut or at Harold’s getting food but you’d hear guys try to brother each other over late fees on movie rentals or trying to say that tips counted towards the next round of drinks.
Not nearly down enough to get the rules involved there.
“usually with usury interest rates”
I will call bullshit on this too even though I am in depression.
When i first this movement i said it’s totally racist then I realized, hell I guess white people got there time to be racist and through it they got financially ahead. So blacks should get there chance as well so they can catch up. once they become economically equal then I think it would be a good idea to stop.
Okay, I guess many people slept during the Civics class where it became a Constitutional Amendment that anyone with “one drop” of Black blood in them was thereby Black. It’s not something Black people decided, it was something decided for us to make sure we did not try to “pass” if we were of mixed heritage and more closely resembled Caucasians. I’m just saying, before we spout off about President Obama considering himself a Black man, remember, history decided that for him years before he was conceived. I think the problem with race is that nobody wants to talk about it in an open and frank manner. Talk about it. Agree to disagree, but ignoring it will not work. Patronizing a business because that person shares your race doesn’t make you a racist, whether you’re White, Black or Asian, just like buying a Chevrolet doesn’t mean I’m a xenophobe, it just means I’m trying to support someone/something I believe in, which is everyone’s right. And please, just because my money is green doesn’t mean it is welcome everywhere. I can go to my local Target or Wal Mart and out of an entire hair care aisle (shampoo, conditioner, etc) there is a teeny tiny secion about 2 feet wide called “Ethinic Hair Care” that popped up about 2 years ago. Prior to that, I had to drive 15 miles to an area that had a larger population of minorities or buy in bulk off the internet to find the products I needed. Did my money suddenly get greener or did the big box guys finally realize that they were losing money from an entire demographic?
whoa! which Amendment is that?
I still can’t find miso paste at Target.
Okay, I guess many people slept during the Civics class where it became a Constitutional Amendment that anyone with “one drop†of Black blood in them was thereby Black.
You are a liar.
That is all.
I think maybe that was a confession SBP, he slept through class, and someone had a bit of fun with him when he woke up and asked what happened.
You are more likely right though.
Klod, you figure being racist will help you “catch up” do ya?
Good luck with that.
I recommend you closely read comment #25 to see what you need to do to “catch up”.
He might start by taking a civics class that teaches the truth.
Failing that, he could start here, then work his way through these.
the ink is black
the paper is white
together we learn
that dc vouchers/ain’t right
piano keys black
piano keys white
you need to use both
for the music to be phat
ebony
and ivory
would not/ could not
be better than green eggs and ham
stevie wonder
don’t see the color of keys
yet beautiful music
he plays with these
if he decided
only black was the way
he’d have to imagine
those that were white
oppressed his sway
Hard to imagine
how it would make him free
but it’s his music
though I wonder
is it as good as it could be?
green eggs and ham
i am sam
sean penn is the man
horton said WHO?!
get outta town
mc cartney and wings
used to bug me
then he didn’t
except sorta
uh oh
bo
not the dog
no. 4
bobby orr
if al green
sang james brown covers
would he make barry white money?
aside/ if we get past the hartford whalers/ IF
i think penguins will beat
the boston bruins
everytime i think
code pink
my dink shrinks
bobbo orro
if little richard
sang i like big butts
would he see the light of day
or hot dog flavored water?
if your dink is pink
and bare-ly there
the code is
cunning-linguist
i think
therefor i am
not into code pink
they hurt my head(ha)
mostly gay
they hate the bush
go figure
howe much wood
can a wood chuck puck?
or better yet
how much stick
can bobby orr row?
And please, just because my money is green doesn’t mean it is welcome everywhere. I can go to my local Target or Wal Mart and out of an entire hair care aisle (shampoo, conditioner, etc) there is a teeny tiny secion about 2 feet wide called “Ethinic Hair Care†that popped up about 2 years ago.
ha. A couple years back I was trying to buy my daughter a barbie doll. The local Target didn’t have a single white one. I bet it also has a nice sized “ethnic hair care” area, although it didn’t. It just had a hair care isle with products aimed at black folk.
Dude, stores stock what sells.
I am sure Seiks have problems finding red dot makeup for their foreheads. Doesn’t mean a store is teh racist for not carrying it.
When I spent two years working as an inventory counter in the early ’90s there were hair-care products marketed for people “ethnic hair,” in every single store I ever worked.
Of course, that was in northern California and western Nevada, but I’ve also seen them in stores I’ve shopped in, even in Fairbanks, Alaska.
So, I’m pretty sure commenter “seriously?” is either a liar or just not very damn observant.
Mr. Pink – Sihks don’t do that, that is a Hindu thing.
Here come the Hawks, the mighty Blllllackhawks…
My bad thanks for the correction.
Grievance merchants also have a hard time with the concept of paragraph breaks. Good manners will prevent me from speculating as to what classes they slept through.
WTF? Are there people around who honestly believe this shit?
Wait a second was that guy being serious when he typed that? I thought he was using kidding.
Ask one of them about the (K) on Snapple bottles.
o, I’m pretty sure commenter “seriously?†is either a liar or just not very damn observant.
Or, he/she is an inauthentic black who lives in an all-white community. Just as I couldn’t really complain about living in a predominantly black community that sold mostly black-barbie dolls …
I’ve got a piece of advice for “seriously”: Don’t go to a Jewish deli for a ham sammich.
No no no no no… he’s an authentic black as long as he never votes Republican. Authentic blacks vote the way Big Daddy tell them to.
That seriously?! thing was pretty funny.
That might be true except for the “more than most any other ethnic group” part. Poor Americans have a hard time getting loans because they lack collateral, it’s not an ethnic issue, it’s just an income level issue. Banks are, understandably, reluctant to loan to people who don’t look like they can pay the loan back.
Those banks are racist.
Fairbanks is as close to such a thing as I’ve ever lived in — though come to think of it the city mayor when I moved there was a black guy who was also a lay preacher at a predominantly black church.
#129
With that attitude you’ll never catch up.
Mr. Pink – Sihks don’t do that, that is a Hindu thing.
Sihks wear the really stylish turbans, and never cut or comb their hair. So the next time you see a nattily attired gentleman such as this:
http://www.worldsikhnews.com/13%20February%202008/Image/sikh_4.jpg
try to keep a straight face as you think about the wild ass mess of dreads he got up in there.
what a bunch of cry babies! Black people take a lesson from the Mexicans! We don’t cry, we don’t think anyone owes us anything. We come to this country and TAKE jobs! We have the jobs you’re to lazy to do and have the jobs you only wish you could have! Texas, Arizona, California, Washington, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Michigan and on and on and on! We are the Largest minority in America and soon we will be the majority and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are educated, hard working, resourceful, daring and unafraid! We grow and pick the food you eat, we cook and serve the food you buy, we build and sell the houses you live in. We are AMERICA! Blacks buying from Blacks is as stupid as it gets! MexicanS know that money is green no matter what color the hand it comes from! Go to a bank or look at instructions on things bought or go to school or an ATM machine and you will find English or SPANISH! No sane person can deny that the Mexican has been blessed not to have leaders like Blacks! All Black leaders teach that Blacks are owed something they did not earn. Only slaves want a handout! Get educated, unafraid to work harder than the person next to you and taste true freedom and success! The next President won’t be a half breed, He/She will be full blooded Mexican! Hasta la vista BABIES!!!!!! (Even Arnold knew the language of the land)
You also have your own micro-economy and throw a whole lot of your business to your amigos, near as I can tell.
It’s our money Moe! You see the Mexican knows the value of hard work! We don’t take our money for granted! We give business to our amigos because we know how hard they will work! Until the Black man makes his OWN way he will never be able to do what we do! The European white man taught us well! Don’t assimilate, force your culture on the land you invade! White people speak zero Native American languages. It’s the Native American that speaks english and forgot his own language. All Americans will have to learn Spanish if they want to suceed in the BROWN USA!!!
Really, will we also have to sneak across our northern border after you turn this country into a shit hole like Mexico?
Mexican culture has not really done all that well for Mexicans who actually live in Mexico as far as I can tell. If steve thinks he’s smart, and I bet he does, he would do well to consider assimilation into the borg like existence of American culture as desirable.
No sneeking is required Lee. Your cheap labor will be welcomed in Canada. The US government will make sure that you will beg for jobs at labor rates similar to those in India, Pakistan, China and every other country that makes things for American countries. And for your information we aren’t leaving Mexico. We are just expanding her borders to include the USA. Shit hole? Have you ever been to Detroit? Now that’s a shit hole! How about Native American Reservations? Now those are shit holes! Too bad the Native American lost its will to fight for their land. However the Native Americans from Mexico are just begining their quest to take back what was once theirs! Mexico is rich in culture and history. The USA is barely 250 years old. Mexican culture has been around for thousands of years. The is nothing in Mexico that comes close to being a shit hole. The American culture was built on the blood of the Native American and the sweat of the Irish, Native Mexicans, Chinese and Africans. Now that’s a shit hole!
Makewi, I’ll just call you Miguel. How can you tell? Do you live in Mexico? Or do you get your information from the American media? It’s sounds to me like you know what you’re told and have little knowledge form personal experience. Don’t worry Miguel there is still time for you. You will learn and be proud to be in a true Brown USA. Oh we will never assimilate! Americans will learn to live in the true Mexican American culture! It is the American invaders that will assimalte. By the way, in most southern states you get a bonus in your pay if you speak SPANISH however last time I checked you get nothing for ebonics.
OK Steve, if Mexico is so great, and the US is a shit hole, what the fuck are you doing here?
Is that why Americans are sneaking into Mexico by the thousands, for a better way of life?
If the US ever started to become like Mexico, your would watch your dream die.
Kinda like at the Alamo.
Most of the people coming here from the south are doing so for a better life, not to turn this place into what they are leaving. I don’t think brown (or black for that matter) people are as dumb as you think they are.
I have Mexican inlaws whose houses I have stayed in in both Mexico City and Morella. OTOH I can discount both conversations with them and my own lying eyes and get all my knowings from someone like you. Choices, choices.
It’s been edifying, but I have decided you are too stupid to continue with. Have fun storming the castle!
Lee, once again we aren’t leaving Mexico. We are expanding her borders! It is the American companies that want the Mexican worker because employers know that we will out work any American any day! We are here because this was our land before you got here. We are coming here to take what used to be yours. We are coming here to take what once was ours. Now lets’ talk about the Amercian way of life. You allow strangers to raise you children in day cares. You allow strangers to care for your elderly in old folks homes. Americans have a higher divorce rate than Mexicans. Americans are fat, lazy and without substance. The American Government takes from its citizens to give to the rich. The Americans allow the government to do what ever it wants. We aren’t coming here for you concept of a better life. We are coming to TAKE your jobs! We are coming to LIVE in your neighborhoods, we are coming to teach YOU a better way. We are coming to take over the Government with people that think like we do. We are here because we want to be here and there is nothing you can do about it. The Amercian dream is already dead. We never wanted your dream. We have our own dream. Our dream is to take what you built and call it our own. We are America. Learn spanish Lee or you will find yourself lost and without hope.
Oh Miguel, you visited a place and think you know. I have been to South Africa, Kenya, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, France, Puerto Rico, Canada, Mexico, Brazil and every state in America and it dosen’t mean that I KNOW everything about that country. Your family might be an Uncle Juan as far as I know but until YOU live there you have no knowledge. America is the new Latin America! Learn Spanish while you can. Remember your ancestors may have left Europe for a better life. They discovered a land that was already known. We are expanding the Mexican borders for a better life. And like the Europeans we have found a country filled with people. We will teach those people our language and our ways. Those who rebel we will put on Reservations.
Wait a minute, I thought you were invading us? No matter, until you get over the ridiculous notion of running tubas through subwoofers your culture has no chance.
I’m with you Makewi, Steve is too stupid to bother with.
I lair too I’d bet.
Yeah B Moe, he was here first, before the Indians that because of our evilness we put on reservations because they were here first, and we will be put on reservations, though he is superior to us reservation putter on’ers.
I guess…it’s kinda confusing.
oh, that was supposed to be liar on #181…in case some of us couldn’t figure that out.
Lee, wake up and smell the tortillas! Look around you! You will see a spanish speaking person on your left and to your right. Lee it doesn’t matter what you say! The Spanish language and Mexicans are here to stay. We will OVERWHELM your country with such great numbers that you won’t know what happened! White America is dead. The south will never rise again. But don’t worry Lee. We don’t wear white hoods. We will invite you to be apart of our culture. Take head from your countries businesses, schools and politicians. They have made the needed changes to accomodate our arrival and you will too. You need to understand that we will not be waiting for your government to give us forty acres and a mule. We will take this land from coast to coast! We are too many, we are to educated, we are to willing and we are already here!
Just remember that steve is generally against European conquering of the native peoples, but if he has to choose which one was a good one it would be the one where Spanish became the de facto language. Because he’s an idiot. There is further evidence of the fact that he is an idiot in the fact that he thinks my experience with Mexico and Mexicans is limited to my visiting there, despite my telling him I have Mexican relatives.
Oh, and he can call me Miguel all he wants despite the fact the Makewi = Matt = Mateo. He somehow misses this connection because of his big brain.
You can put me on a reservation so long as I can start a casino and stop paying taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. Not that I smoke anymore, just on general principle.
I herd that.
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door
Come on in, we love hard working, honest people, always have, always will.
I do enjoy a good chimichanga. I guess we might as well bow down and welcome our new Mexican overlords. All hail steve, king of the churro.
Now someone get me a Tecate, it’s almost 5 here.
Mateo,
Nothing you say can change the reality of our arrival! It is best that you discount what is happening in the old USA. Denial is best freinds with failure. It’s funny that with all your wisdom you resort to name calling. Which is usually the best indicator of defeat! To bad you have nothing of substance to say Mateo. Mexico’s biggest problems are a corrupt government and drug dealers. A corrupt government can be fixed but the Mexican drug dealer is no different that Joe Kennedy and exist’s only because of the American’s appetite for drugs. Joe Kennedy made his money by selling illegal drugs (alchohol) and with that dirty money John Kennedy became president. Supply and demand. Mexico’s problem with drug dealers is equal to Americans drug use. If Americans weren’t such drug addicts Mexico would’nt have the issues they have. Only the rich Mexicans (of Spanish decent) run to America for the safety of a country filled with drug users. The rest of us come here to retake the America that was once the true Mexico. Who know’s maybe the son of a Mexican drug dealer will one day become president of the Brown USA. Oh, and yes I do know that Spanish is the language of our conquerers however we have now made it our own! The spanish spoken by Spaniards is much different that that of the comman Mexican. Viva la raza!
Mateo,
A baloney sandwhich or a chimichanga? MMMM good choice Mateo! No need to bow Mateo. Mexicans don’t want to be your overlord. By the way I don’t eat churro’s. They make you fat! I will gladly get you that Tecate! It’s much better than a goofy Bud Light!
Only the rich Mexicans (of Spanish decent) run to America for the safety of a country filled with drug users. The rest of us come here to retake the America that was once the true Mexico.
I think its great that you have been elected leader of all the Mexicans and I am sure that your devious plan to take over the country by cornering the market on all the jobs of selling oranges on the side of the road will bring you and your people all you could hope for. Mexico does make a damn fine Tequilla. Damn fine.
Not only are you an idiot, you are a racist.
Wow Mateo,
You sound like an American Liberal. Which by the way is a contradiction. You aren’t liberal in your thinkikng at all. When you can’t win you resort to name calling or trying to attach a label to someone! I’m not worried about labels Mateo. It’s sad that you find a honest working Mexican who is trying to sell a legal product as an object of ridicule. At least that person selling oranges is trying to earn a nobel living. Maybe not quite to your standards however it is an honest living. No one has elected me for anything but I sure as heck won’t allow anyone to deny my opinion nor views. Our family came hear from Mexico in the 60’s. Our parents taught us that hard work would produce good results and that working harder than the next person would produce great results. I will never allow some American to tell me or my children that we need to assimilate to their culture when they didn’t do the same. The American culture is one of greed, war mongering and consumerism. Our culture is one that is family oriented, inclusive and hard work. We are not racist. That is an American term. Created by the powerful to enslave the poor and uneducated. We never cared what anyone said about us. We knew want we wanted and we took it! You are a typical American. Afraid of those who don’t want to be like you! We could care less about what someone says we should be like. We don’t want to be like you Mateo. You are a person of little substance that resorts to name calling and attempts to lable those you don’t understand. Regardless, we will stay, we will overwhelm and you will live afraid. Viva la raza!
Moe and Lee thank you.
Exactly.
Whoops, siesta ti…
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