…and gauntlettes.
The third party option is starting to look better and better, honestly. And as I’ve noted several times now, I think people will be surprised by how many Democrats a party that adheres to classical liberal principles would attract.
Besides. Can we really do much worse?
(h/t cj)
I just copied this to the local Vice Chair of the Republican Party in Chester County, PA. He’s a good friend of mine, a good guy and a strong conservative. I ended the message by calling the party leadership “cowards.”
I’m so glad I didn’t have to register for the Republican Party for the sole purpose of beating Spector.
From A. Smith’s Theory of Moral Sentiments (blowhard linked yesterday):
If Republicans can shed Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins we might not need a third party. Country club Democrats are the worst.
So what about a name for this 3rd party? Constitution Party is already taken, I believe.
Common Sense party?
Classic Liberal party?
Outlaw! party?
I’m freakin ready.
The problem is plain, political cowardice.
There, I said it. Megan should be Twittering her denunciation any minute now.
I’ve always thought that Democrats were obsessed with polls while Republicans were obsessed with political principles. That does not appear to be the case anymore. There are so many El- eee- phants moaning and whining about how they are going to appeal to moderates that the nausea is unstinting.
Here’s a clue, bitches: Real Leadership and Real Commitment to Principle.
Can anybody remember in the last forty years when there was such a dearth of Republican leadership. Hell, can anybody remember when their has been such an abysmal collection of watered down gin and goofy incompetence? Republicans are now allowing themselves to be defined by Democrats in their headlong rush to slobber all over so called moderates. Heck, Pelosi and Reid are leading the Congress for cryin’ out loud. In the meantime, our leader promises what he cannot possibly deliver and, because the PR machine is slicker and the voters more googly-eyed, we rush headlong towards a 55 car wreck for our economy and our historic concept of individual liberty.
I am at a point where I have just about had it with these simpering morons who seem more interested in protecting their interests than in protecting the voters’ or our country’s. Unless one or two conservatives break out and clearly state their differences with the Apple Wood Paneling crowd and do it in some kind of a compelling way, then we are in for a world of hurt for many years to come.
Wow, it took all of 24 hours for my zen to curl up in a fetal position and wet itself.
So what about a name for this 3rd party? Constitution Party is already taken, I believe.
Common Sense party?
Classic Liberal party?
Outlaw! party?
The Bacon Party!
Sigh…a VIABLE third party espousing classical liberal ideas would be a beautiful thing. BTW, I was called a right wing extremist on a basketball forum the other day. Coming from the source (most likely college aged wannabe socialist) I relished it. It turns out you’re a right wing extremist IF you think Obama doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism or that he wants America to turn into a European soft socialist clone. Also, if you think Global Warming is a left wing concoction. I forgot the other one, but it was silly, too.
Mmmm, bacon. Everything is better with bacon.
Sure I think everyone would be best served with a classically liberal party; it would have to start at the local level (town councils, school boards, etc) and work up slowly through the years to the state level, establish its self there, then start putting people in congress at the national level. After a few decades we could consider a presidential candidate once the network is established, the leaders tried and true, and the infrastructure of state and federal legislators in place.
You have to figure that at least half of the folks from each main party isn’t entirely sold on the representation they are receiving. My mom is an avowed leftist, but she also prays at the altar of hard work and education, and she is slipping on a daily basis in terms of her support for the Democrats. She knows how horribly the Dems have Unionized the education system, and she’s currently heavily involved with http://www.workoptions/org -an non-goverment run job training program that actually helps people instead of just giving them hand outs.
I think there are a lot of so called “progressives” out there that are showing up to Tea Parties and seeing the inherent fallacy of the government nationalizing industry.
Someday people are going to ask hey you think maybe that fat slut Meghan’s coward piece of shit daddy played an instrumental part in destroying the Republican party from within? Even with natural Republican allies like the SEIU on board the Republican train I’m beginning to get the feeling that something just isn’t right.
If all of your fine state came and overran your estate and grounds, Mr. Goldstein, stealing your hootch and rousting the armadillo, surely it’d be because they knew it was best. In this way one regards the minority Republicans as principally deficient. QED.
Well, in order to keep up appearances in a democracy you need opposition.
Obama is currently casting for those roles, and his casting couch has a line around the block. MmmmmBama!
I’ve always espoused The Frontier Party, but I’d go along with The Tea Party. If I’d have been at Barackolypse’s “townhall” I’d have thrown my shoe at him when he started doing his tea bag schtick.
Openly contemptuous of those who don’t follow him blindly, that one is, alp.
In the Arts section of the NY Times, yesterday, (on the crossword puzzle page–come on people!) Out of about a dozen little blurbs, a quarter of them were about a great big sucking sound in the world of entertainment and art (Sotheby’s shedding jobs; the Guggenheim laying folks off; a broadway play losing buckets of $, etc). How long til the moneyed left start to notice that this whole Obama thing is ruining their lives?
C’mon gregorbo, they’ll still be blaming Bush for it twenty years from now.
Amen Jeff.
Of course, when all the major cities get nuked, there will be only one party. The I Told You So Party.
He is very confident that the Paki nukes will not fall into the wrong hands. Why? The good intel, of course.
I’m thinking about buying a few hundred Obama stickers and then putting them over the company names on any public advertising I see.
Time for some culture jamming.
“How long til the moneyed left start to notice that this whole Obama thing is ruining their lives?”
They might notice, but they just won’t care.
Il Douche doesn’t really care all that much “the moneyed left,” either. Maybe they’ll wise up, maybe not.
As stupid as this may sound: Why not the Tea Party? (as in: Taxed Enough Already)
Il Douche doesn’t really care all that much about his sychophantic press, either. Maybe they’ll start to notice, maybe not.
Oop; sorry al, I missed your suggestion….
Confidence. “we’ve heard it all before”
Gotta love Hillary’s “…unthinkable… […] we can’t even contemplate that. “. Boy, I’ll say. Good on ya for that steadfast refusal, Hillary.
O! smiles the smile of a thousand radiant suns from the front page of my paper every day. He does this thing partly because of Specter and probably partly because of The Plan to restore multicultural equilibrium. On a planet where Islam replaces itself at five the times of western liberalism.
And since western liberalism is a bedrock principle amongst proggs, we can all heave a nice big sigh of relief.
five times the rate, actually.
Sex and Violins Party
Being a right-to-lifer, the Birthday Party sounds good to me …
I’d vote for a Tea Party (or the Reagan Party), but that wouldn’t be my first choice. The Bull Moose elected Woodrow Wilson. Perot brought us Clinton.
I’d much prefer that the T.E.A. protesters and classical liberals made a conscious, organized effort to recruit and unite behind a single Republican (or Democrat, it doesn’t matter) candidate in the primaries. Find someone totally committed to radically slashing government and cutting the special interests down to size. Do it in each and every State and House district, Federal and State. Clean house and replace the whole damn Republican establishment.
Yes defeating the useless faggy R ones in their primaries is what is right and proper. The way to help the Republican party is to not give the lispy limpwristed John Cornyn any of your monies cause of he’s a raging homo.
Oh. John Cornyn leads the National Republican Senatorial thinger in case you don’t have your pansy Republican trading cards handy.
Even better, back a Republican and a Democrat. Double your pleasure, double your fun. The Tea Party has bi-partisan appeal; maybe we could actually get two people worth voting for in the general election (as opposed to the normal zero people worth voting for).
The Fight for Your Right to Party. Um, Party?
oh. I hate Democrats. That won’t work for me. Dirty socialist ant-American fuckpuppets every last one of them. The one I hate most is Jim Webb. I know. I don’t know why either he just annoys the fuck out of me.
…though, I still like Get Offa My Lawn.
oh. *anti*-American fuckpuppets is what Democrats are. They hate hate hate our little country as it is presently constituted.
How about the ‘We Don’t Give A Shit If You Hate Abortion And Love The Baby Jesus But Let’s Agree On Strong Defense And Small Government And Low Taxes’ party.
This simple declarative is otherwise known as…JD bait.
dr. Kill hits the nail on the head, although I think the name is a bit, um, wordy.
It’s funny how many people I know identify themselves as democrats but are fiscally conservative and agree that the government is too big. They don’t realize that this has nothing to do with the current democratic party.
It’s time to retire Orrin Hatch. He’s creepy and useless and treats Utah people like they’re ignorant and backasswards. Also he kisses dirty socialist ass like a dog on a spoonful of peanut butter.
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i think i would join dr. kill’s party. but i like calling it the TEA party better.
and blowhard i may love you, almost as much as i love our host here. maybe it’s time to dust off my copy of ‘the man who japed.’ and to pay closer attention to where the panoptic cameras are sited in my little neighborhood. cheers. :)
I’d also consider voting for the ‘We Don’t Give A Shit If You Love Abortion And Hate The Baby Jesus But Let’s Agree On Strong Defense And Small Government And Low Taxes’ Party.
Constantinople fell to the Turks while the various Christian factions were negotiating a common doctrine of Transubstantiation before they would cooperate with each other to fight off the Turks.
Good thing for me I like Turkish food, eh?
I am all for third parties, the trouble is the third party option is typically Losertarians, or their Hezboallah off shoot, the Constitution Party. A truly libertarian party that communicated Classical Liberalism in a pragmatic way (we represent strong defense, smaller government, more freedom—let the states resolve social issues) has not been presented. So would vote for that if it came from a GOP, Third Party or dare I say even a Democratic candidate who really supported that.
Orin…er…Orrin…Boyle…er…Hatch is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the RIAA.
Also, he’s on:
* Committee on Finance
o Subcommittee on Energy, Natural Resources, and Infrastructure
o Subcommittee on Health Care (Ranking Member)
o Subcommittee on Taxation, IRS Oversight, and Long-Term Growth
* Committee on the Judiciary
o Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights (Ranking Member)
o Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs
o Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security
* Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
o Subcommittee on Children and Families
o Subcommittee on Retirement and Aging
* Select Committee on Intelligence
* Joint Committee on Taxation
So, anyone here who’s been happy with the performance of any of those committees? Even when the Republicans had a majority?
How about the ‘We Don’t Give A Shit If You Hate Abortion And Love The Baby Jesus But Let’s Agree On Strong Defense And Small Government And Low Taxes’ party.
Got my vote.
Sex ball party.
The problem with a third party is that you’re blending the more strong-willed of the other two parties, and it’d be catsanddogs.
Which might be fun. Spirited, anyway. Hey, why not the Cats and Dogs Party?
Shut up and accept the least bad alternative you bastards! We’re entitled to make a living being two-faced, sell out, lying crap weasels! We make America great!
Can we really do much worse?
I had discussion about this with my Dad the other night at the ball game. I thought it was bound to happen and would be a good thing. He worries that too many people are living off the gov’t tit (my words) and that all that would end up happening is we would have a fractured opposition. I think the GOP is dead. It’s a shame and I’m sorry, but it’s dead. We need something else. But he thinks it’ll be worse. I used Specter as an example of how it can’t get worse (he’s our Senator). Ironically the very next day, Specter switched parties.
Right back ‘atcha, louchette.
As to a party name, I like the Rattlesnakes, mainly for the Gadsden reference, but we’d also sound like a fun Double A team.
Okay, I take back the Rattlesnakes. Sex ball party sounds like a clear winner to me.
Sex Ball Rattlesnake Chili Peppers American Party of Freedom and Beer
The Individual party, where the policy planks must be designed to increase individual liberty for the maximum number of people; be ethical; and cause the least amount of oppression as possible.
I too remove my submission and vote for the sex ball party.
With all that fractious thinking, I doubt it ever will be, Joe. The opposition* knows no such limitation, so it works just swell.
*when you run on myth and envy you have many adherents.
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Sex Ball Rattlesnake Chili Peppers American Party of Freedom and Beer”
…And Pie!
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Party.
Sugartits™ should be in the title, shouldn’t it?
mossberg, a pleasant American story for you. Jimmy the plumber
…did someone say “beer”?
The “New Left” showed the way. You take control of an established brand and move it to your own direction. There hasn’t been an extinction of one of the two majors since the Whigs IIRC. Hostile takeovers are easier than getting new startups to become one of the “Big Two”.
So, who’s up for a hostile takeover of the Dems. Only 41 years since the last one.
I am thoroughly disgusted with Hatch. Just recently he sponsored the S-CHIP expansion, giving the District of Columbia a seat in the House (in exchange for #4 for Utah), and gave his bosom buddy Ted Kennedy a “sorry you have a brain tumor” GIFT.
I used to think he was marginally useful because he was a bulldog when it came to the fed treating the Mountain Time Zone like a junk drawer, but that utility is overshadowed by his RINO squishiness.
32 years in the Senate. Who the hell does he think he is?
He’s useless and also he looks like he’s been embalmed already.
rattlesnakes party is good! and so is alcohol tobacco and firearms party, and the fight for your right to party party, and the individualIST (sorry todd fangirl ref. for guins) party, and the sex ball party LOL, and beer and pie and cats and dogs and honestly… this thread gives me option paralysis it does, it is so chock full of appealing choices. i can’t decide. i guess still like TEA party. it has historical resonance, if not rhymyness.
and i was actually pretty doubtful this morning, and feeling kinda pessimistic overall. but i have this dear friend who is so far to the left of me that it is scary almost, he’s about as far left as one could be and still be in a relatively normal range and not be a scary extremist. and even he sees that our new overlords are, to quote him, ‘favoring perpetual debt slavery for everybody.’ not everyone is blinded. even when they don’t agree with you or i or whoever on every single issue. the question is how to properly wake more up? and what viable options they will have once they are awake. right now the magic 8 ball says, ‘situation, pretty fuXXored.’ =/
The Heritage Democrat Party.
Even co-opt the old Democrat Rooster for a mascot.
Who the hell does he think he is?
I’m Booby, dammit.
Go Old School outlaw and call it the New Peace and Freedom party. Try to recruit the surviving members of the MC5 for a house band. Motor City’s Burning, baby!
The Cisco Pikers.
Or maybe Nancy can have that one, on second thought.
I learned how to reset Pix passwords last weekend. You have to follow an unclear process and then after that you have to edit files just so. I felt a sense of accomplishment after.
Oh, we’re going to be after school boards and city councils, too, SFAG.
And when we win we’re going to give you exactly the same respect you’ve given to us.
Smirk while you can, SFAG.
The backlash isn’t going to be pretty.
The top prime cut of meat, I’m your choice Party.
What could happen? You think gay people are gonna be unmarried? Library funds slashed? Roads and other public wastes curtailed? Please let us know.
Cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria !!!
Where’s Twatbusters when you need ’em?
People what should be president absolutely refuse to run anymore. That’s why we have a dirty socialist loser in our White House. It was that or Meghan’s coward daddy. That’s so effed up I’m glad I have wine.
I picked the wrong time to drink less wine Happy. I’m just watching the calories, but it’s hard when Obama has one of his needy days. And, by needy, I’m referring to him fucking up our country.
Library funds slashed?
Liar.
Roads and other public wastes curtailed?
Liar.
Please let us know.
You seem to think I’m arguing or debating with you, liebot.
Hint: I’m not.
I reserve that for people who aren’t intellectual frauds.
The third party option is starting to look better and better, honestly.
You do realize Michael Medved will honk his horn at us, yes?
Oh, and in case the liebot manages to fool any newcomers here… check out this “library budget slashing” by teh EVOOLLL BOOOOOOOOOOOSH.
Also this one.
The same is true for every other year of the Bush presidency, as near as I can tell.
She is a liar.
A bad one.
“You seem to think I’m arguing or debating with you, liebot.”
Oh I’m just asking. I mean, lately we’ve seen the republican party return to its minority status. But with one big difference: the democrats no longer have white dixie on their side — they seem to have swapped that with the GOP — and they aren’t beholden to that. I’m enjoying all the speculation about what this environment looks like. So when you tell me about “the backlash,” that just makes me real curious.
Oh I’m just asking.
No, you are just lying.
More on the “library budget slashing”, liebot.
Why you on about bush?
Why are you a liar, liebot?
that just makes me real curious.
You should be, liebot.
Related to no more than SBP’s ALA links above, if anyone here lives in Chicago, go to the bottom level coffee room in the ALA building. On the table farthest from the vending machines, you’ll often find dozens of galley proofs that are free for the taking.
It’s interesting in a sick sort of way how much meya seems to need to repeat accepted leftist trooofs about the GOP. I bet if pressed on it she could provide at least a few “facts” that show the GOP as being the party of racism.
Yes, for such a “curious” person, she seems to be remarkably incurious when it comes to examining the lies that she constantly parrots.
“More on the “library budget slashingâ€, liebot.”
Man you’re awesome with the google, but why do you imagine that I think budgets have been slashed? I’m asking what your backlash is gonna be when you take over the school boards. Will the classical liberals still give us libraries and roads? Gay marriage?
This is what’s gotten me all curious: “The backlash isn’t going to be pretty.” But all you wanna do is post some ALA old news?
I for one am willing to concede that simply due to her ability to choose a superior political party that she is morally superior to me in every possible way, and is likely more attractive as well. As such, she is entitled to come stay on my couch in Honolulu where I will cook her breakfast and wash her feet as a sign of my subservience. Unless that’s creepy, in which case I will just send her cash.
I’m asking what your backlash is gonna be when you take over the school boards.
And I’m telling you I’m not engaging in a discussion with you, other than to point out your lies, lest anyone else be taken in by them.
You lose, liebot.
Again.
Oh, and maybe you should try becoming more “awesome with Google”, liebot, before you beclown yourself in public again.
The backlash is likely to take the form of sneering condescension, which we will claim to have learned how to do by watching you. Later we will eat cupcakes with those of us cool enough to have been in the correct club. We may come up with a cheer indicating how much you stink and we rule, which will rhyme and be totally awesome.
There will also be rockband for the Xbox 360. But you can join in on that because we need a drummer.
“And I’m telling you I’m not engaging in a discussion with you, other than to point out your lies, lest anyone else be taken in by them.”
I mean, the backlash won’t be more Boooosh will it? Gawd that would be boring, more “compassionate conservatism.” You don’t have any backlash to offer? We don’t even need to discuss it, you can just start listing it. Can I assume library funding will keep going up?
What part of “I don’t debate liars” didn’t you understand, liebot?
I don’t know meya. I mean, my local library is closed Sundays and Mondays and closes at 5pm every day other than Thursday and this is the magical land from which Obama sprung. If this is as good as can be provided under his holy guidance, how can others hope to do better?
On the other hand, maybe Obama just hates books.
Backlash I think was when my Baracky-fetishizing friend J’s Baracky-fetishizing and explicitly socialist friend T pulled his Mini over and told the Armenian guy what had thrown his cigar into the street to go back to his dirty fucking country and stop trashing ours.
SBP’s policy seems pretty reasonable to me.
meya, you do seem to have a pattern of making a few sarcastic and/or misleading comments and then leaving as soon as someone calls you on it.
By the way, have you reconciled Romer’s past research with your economic views yet?
Have you admitted you made a nonsensical connection between Jeff’s sarcasm and what you call “Bush’s official torture policy”?
No, you’ll just fly away for the night and start up fresh nonsense tomorrow.
“What part of “I don’t debate liars†didn’t you understand, liebot?”
Seriously you havent noticed I’m not into the backlash for debate? Just say it dude, I’ll accept whatever your view of the backlash is. What you think I’m gonna say “no thats not what SBP’s backlash is”?
“By the way, have you reconciled Romer’s past research with your economic views yet?”
Not really but I’m not worried about her.
What you think I’m gonna say “no thats not what SBP’s backlash is�
There’s no predicting what a liar will say, liebot.
If you’re really “curious” about what form the backlash will take, I suggest you simply wait.
Hint: you won’t like it.
Well, there’s another possibility. You know, learning from her.
“Hint: you won’t like it.”
Yeah this part I knew.
“Well, there’s another possibility. You know, learning from her.”
Oh yeah I’m really looking forward to more from the Obama econ team.
I’m talking about past research, how she made her bones. In her case, the cognitive dissonance is admittedly staggering. The past research was peer reviewed at least. The more recent stuff had to get past renowned intellects like the “enchanted” reporter.
Jeff G is absolutely correct. These people drive me crazy.
Two days ago I discovered the web site for the “Green Elephant”, that is the REP, Republicans for Environmental Protection. I thought, “way to go”, finally a push to speak out on good conservative free market approaches to environmental issues. A way to keep the Left from defining us and running away with the narrative. Instead what I found is a bunch of Frum & Jenkins “New Majority” crap that is nothing more that the reguritation of every leftist enviromental policy under the name of conservatism and bipartisanship. Including denouncing those that don’t by into global warming as “Deniers”. F—ing incredible.
BTW Jenkins thinks it was way wrong to chse off Spectre.
A third political party you say? One based on freedom? Well goddamn, I’ve got one of those, I just need some help.
yours/
peter.
How about a name for this third party?
How about….the Confederated Socialist Old South Party?
Then you can have your own country after seccession.
The Confederated States of America……aka Jesusland.
;)
How about the principal party?
The name alone should disqualify around 99% of incumbints of either major party now, so there’s that…
How about “The Irish”?
You know, cuz “It’s muuuuuy island!”