Now that’s just, well … not very helpful, Fred.
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(h/t Mary Louise, who has her own thoughts)
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update: If this doesn’t stop soon, part of the right wing blogosphere is going to stroke out… THE MIDDLE! AIM FOR THE FUCKING MIDDLE!
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update 2: Really, dude. Cut your losses. You’re embarrassing yourself.*
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update 3: From Dan, in the comments:
[Obama] wants to take my money and leave my children in debt and make them do mandatory voluntary service, and socialize the health care system, and weaken the military, and grow the size of government, and make it more intrusive, and take away our guns, and ghettoize religion, and force physicians and pharmacists to either do things they believe to be unethical or give up practicing as part of the socialization of medicine, and make injured military pay for their treatments, and make our children wards of the state, and destroy our economy with his cap and trade schemes, and lots of other pernicious shit, but I really wish him all success apart from all that stuff.
It’s funny ’cause it’s true.
Though a bit wordy. Precision, Dan. That’s all we’re really asking.
Too early to draft Fred? Maybe he could rest up and be ready to campaign.
How long before Patrick Frey claims Fred’s issued a death threat?
Because he has no honor, Patrick Frey doesn’t. In my opinion.
Yes, well, maybe if we could get the other worthless repubs to say it all in unison, it would lose its shock value and start making sense.
andrew breightbart decrying the use of language on hannity. jeff your message is getting through.
I am not actually certain, because we don’t have a ruling yet, but Jeff’s comment of “no honor” might be misinterpreted as a threat of violence or quite possibly of death.
I think Fred was talking about a lynching. He’s a racist and a death threat maker.
That’s my interpretation.
Fred said he wants Obama to fail, just like Rush. That means Fred is a horrible person. Perhaps he’ll end up being the Worst Person in the World at some point.
Is Fred the head of the Republican party this week? We need to ask a Journalist. They know everything.
Yes, Fred mentioned Obama’s policies in the context of his remarks, and he explained what he meant, but the Tennesean went with the “Fred Thompson tells CNN he wants Obama’s policies to fail”.
Maybe if he’d have been clearer, and said something like “I hope Obama DOESN’T fail,” he wouldn’t sound so very unhelpful.
I know, let’s take a poll!
Is Fred the head of the Republican party this week?
We could do worse.
Have you forgotten? He tires easily and his wife is large-chested.
#10. That last point is a plus.
All that matters for a Republican is that you never, ever, say anything that looks bad when taken out of context. That way, you won’t make other Republicans look bad. Of course, if you say much more than, “Hello” you’re screwed, and even then they will find a way to make you look bad.
If you’re a Democrat, you can say whatever you damn well please. That’s the way it is, and we had better get used to it.
That’s what my betters are telling me, anyway. I’m just another idiot in flyover country, so what to I know?
Sorry, I meant to say, “Large-chested like an illiterate German peasant girl. Possibly a Nazi.”
Of course, if you say much more than, “Hello†you’re screwed
Nice codewords, Xtian racist.
Hell + O = expressing a desire for Obama to go to Hell.
By saying “Hello”, you’re typical of those godbothering Christers telling people they’re going to Hell if they don’t believe in Jesus. You’re just like Ann Coulter wanting to perfect Jews, which of course is cultural genocide. HATER!!!!
How’d I do?
Hello spelled backwards is olleh, who is a demon. And if he isn’t he should be, and anyway, we knew what you meant by it.
Hello is plainly sexist. I go with s/hello.
Hell + O = expressing a desire for Obama to go to Hell.
Golden!
BTW Spies, could you toss me the link for trollhammer? I have a new laptop and need to install. Haven’t needed it in the last couple of weeks, but do now. Thanks.
You guys are awesome.
Bobby Jindal is also being unhelpful, http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/25/jindal.defense.obama/index.html
Jeff, it looks like you might need to straighten out one Big Green Lizard.
The post is new, the thread is young. I just might jump in.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: I believe this president, if he remains intent on persuing a radical reshaping of the nation in line with far-left values not shared by even many of the people who voted for him, will turn out to be perhaps the most divisive figure in American politics for at least the last 100 years…if not longer.
LGF is a cesspool these days, or so I’ve heard. Good luck.
Hey Jeff, been awhile.
I see you haven’t mentioned me like you promised in the last few posts.
Don’t worry, I’ll be around.
Obama is doing great things for the firearms and ammunition industries, so there’s that.
PFH can’t read too well.
I cannot imagine that Fred Thompson would have run as crappy a campaign as pro-wrestling-good-guy-who-loses-but-without-his-bad-guy-opponent-who-cheats-accusing-him-of-cheating McCain did. And a long look at the comments on the CNN page once again shows that lefties cannot get a quote straight if getting it wrong goes to prove what they think. And Jeff, stop fighting with other right-wingers, unless you want another four years of House Squeeker Nancy Pelosi and Senate idiot-in-chief Reid. That goes for you, too, Deb S.
Hey, have you guys seen Patrick Frey around? We got split up awhile ago and I can’t seem to find him again.
Somebody tell Charles at LGF to toss some specifics into the whole “Want him to succeed …” bit.
e.g. I want Obama to succeed in his plan to ______________
1 – promote bicycle safety by requiring registrations and inspection fees, mandatory helmets, wrist and elbow guards, and strict enforcement of all traffic codes relating to bicycles.
et cetera.
Who the fuck are you? I’m the real Patrick Frey’s honor.
You are a fucking imposter.
Don’t make me “bring the tree” (IYYKWIMAITYD)
Now, off to watch the circle jerk that is my comment section carefully debate only about things that I can understand.
LGF gives me the creeps. I’m almost embarrassed that I ever registered there even though I’ve never posted.
oh good the creationist gay marriage blogger
I can read just fine, cranky.
It’s hypocrisy I have a problem with.
Until recently, I hadn’t listened to Rush for over a decade.
But when Colin Powell called Rush out, my sense of loyalty towards him became aroused. I think of him as family, and I resented how he was being maligned. It was so cheap.
It’s good to seem him win like this, especially following the circling vultures.
I really don’t give a whit about polls. Like Fred said, both sides are afraid to level with the American people, and polls are a huge impediment here.
That said, Republicans are now tied in the congressional ballot w/democrats, with independents favoring them by 14%. So, whether they want to or not, or mean to or not, they’re not longing for Obama to succeed either.
It’s so very nice.
Hey Fred, you aren’t being very helpful. You better get a lesson in civility from Patterico or David Frum.
[i]oh good the creationist gay marriage [b]Euro-fascist rooter outer[/b] blogger[/i]
FTFY
Funny how Fred used to play a D.A. on TV. Does that give him a professional courtesy pass?
PFH, you were mentioned at #2, above. So don’t feel too bad, you have not been forgotten, at least here.
fwiw – I have a liberal friend who has three dogs. I mentioned that I had a fool-proof way to “fix” the problem of hungry children in the United States: a 20-50% tax on all luxury pet care and all pet health services that aren’t 1) spaying or neutering and 2) preventive health care.
All dog food that’s more than $2 a can gets whacked with a 50 cent a can tax. Cat food, the same.
Pet hotels? 50% luxury tax.
Pet chiropractic? 50% luxury tax
Neuticles? 50% luxury tax
I think the tax on Paris Hilton’s rat-dog alone would pay for half of the children’s lunches in Barstow. Add up all the revenue from people who can’t stop feeding their precious/schmecious only the best cat food and *BAM* problem solved.
My friend hated the idea – because 1) he couldn’t find anything wrong with it, other than the fact that he would have to pay for it and I wouldn’t and 2) because it would likely work.
At which point I called him an idiot because the market should decide all this … but, eh, nevermind.
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Oops, I give up on trying to bold/italicize shit.
please don’t abuse the frumpy. he bowls better than O!
Sorry, Ira. But I “fought” with right wingers over precisely this kind of thing.
I like that we’re starting to get into fight back mode. The idea that we can’t criticize Obama at the same time we criticize a GOP establishment that is afraid to fight the progressives forcefully is silly: godbotherers are excellent at multitasking. I mean, having all them children and still finding time for prayer and keeping a tidy house…?
And it’s like Charles missed this debate completely the first time around.
Just go link my Rush posts in his comments. He hasn’t answered my emails since he became a PJM bigshot, so I don’t have much of a desire to talk to the guy, nor he me.
Still, we’re watching the rightosphere stake out positions here. And it’s clarifying.
(looks up) Sorry Jeff. I must have missed the shout out you gave me up there.
I’ve had a loooonngg day of defending myself.
BTW, has anyone seen SEK? my balls don’t suck themselves, you know.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/25 @ 8:07 pm #
You guys are awesome.
Was that a death threat? Yes. Definately a death threat.
My Fred for President sticker is still on my SUV. And no daleycocks, I was not a Paulistinian, although compared to Obama, Paul would not be half bad.
#5
Very slick, you almost got away with it, and and some sites you just mit have.
Conservatism is so, like, mean. The only person I ever wanted to fail was that mean girl on American Idol.
Btw, read my twitter page!
You did ok Abe, just replace your [ with <.
will O! tax the methane emissions from Andy nd Chuck?
Nuance
See Rush was bad but Fred is good. You all just do not have enough of that sublime nuance to get the difference. Perhaps Patterico should listen to Mark Levin tonight. He explains in no uncertain terms why the battle for language is critical in this fight.
Really, as commentators go, Patterico generally is middling. But his character over this issue shows a dark twisted side that is rather frightening.
you go fat grrl
So Meghan, who sent you?
Who sent me? I have this site bookmarked. This is the People magazine website, right?
Sure, Big D. It’s here.
“Still, we’re watching the rightosphere stake out positions here. And it’s clarifying.”
Yes, it is. LGF is a freakshow, to be sure. Charles hates him the godbotherers, hence the “creationist governor” bit. And besides, have you seen that guy? Jeez, get me a double mocha frappa latte chino with whipped cream and stfu, charles.
Hypothetically, if Fred calls his dog by shouting “come here, bitch…”
Thanks, Spies. I don’t use it too often, but there is one particular commenter that recently resurfaced.
never speak dissent
when u can nod dissent
never nod dissent
when u can wink dissent
Creationist governor Bobby Jindal
Charles just can’t shake that obsession, can he?
But on the other hand, if that whole blogging thing craters, he does appear well qualified to work for the AP. He has the style down pat.
And, yes, this comment contains a death threat against someone or something somehow at some time. Maybe.
If Baracky fails can I have his teleprompter thingy? Just until I can nail down a promotion at work and then someone else can borrow it.
WOW!
Gabriel Malor, commenting on DPUD:
And what bad faith accusations would those be, Gabe?
I’m beginning to think classical liberalism would be best served by taking all the lawyers out to the woodshed and giving them a nice spanking.
Without oil.
THREATOFVIOLENCEOHNOESOUTLAW!
Hating the godbotherers is not a good overall strategy for Republicans.
I’m sure there was a death threat in that sentence, you just have to suss it out. Or maybe that last sentence. Or that other sentence.
Look, just rearrange the letters however you want to.
if teleprompter jesus fails in the next 4 months we are f@@ked
ain’t they the clowns destroying language?
Of course, all of you who support Jindal and Thompson are members of a hateful and wretched cult whose only purpose is the stoning of heretics. And we should know all about cults seeking heretics, shouldn’t we?
Funny, Charles has the same problem Frey does: Neither know why they’re conservatives, making claims as to their conservatism suspect.
Sorry boys. Monkeys and trials are no way to go through life.
Looks like you are coming out on top on that one, Jeff. Maybe you should do a poll?
I would think that Charles, who is a legitimately important blogger, would focus some of his pro-reason, pro-science stuff on basic cable tv, since mine is stuffed with things like ghost hunters and UFO hunters and things that fox mulder would think is a useful application of time and resources.
Instead, he seems on putting all of the religious right against a wall. Im no fan of the religious right, not at all, but they shot their bolt around ’92, maybe ’96 the latest and now exist as an electoral force on reruns of the West Wing and in the imaginations of Democratic pollsters and bloggers.
Charles doesnt seem to get that the GOP loses elections because they dont act like the Goldwater-Reagan GOP. Reagan was 2/3 mile farther to the right than GWB and he ran the table. Also, we launched two wars that are/were, to varying degrees, disasters. We got semi-serious about one and maybe might start doing the same on the other, but then, with Obama as POTUS, maybe not.
Gabe’s latest post at AoS is “Flipping “the Bird” is Constitutionally Protected Speech.” Fitting and timely.
And Malor is as wrong on a lot of stuff as daleyrocks — get either going on about money and watch the acres of denial.
Let it go, these lawyers. Everything’s going to be just fine, can’t we all get along, can I bill for that, etc.
Well, if Gabe is against you, it’s now logically impossible for you to be wrong.
So, you got that going for you. Just like the Pope, infallible.
Is there dishonesty in the world? Is there a lawyer still breathing?
And we are especially sensitive to the idea that all those who might agree with Thompson or Jindal or Limbaugh are cult members since none of us have written an original sentence in our lives, or had an original thought.
Hey, take it easy on Malor. You just never know when you might need a 14,000-word treatise on the Law of the Sea Treaty.
Jeff this is the doubleplusundead quote that matters:
As for Gabe, get your head out of Pattterico’s ass. Patterico confirmed he banned Jeff. He banned him for what he perceived as a deathtreat and the next day he admitted it might not be a death threat but the ban stays. Whatever. That is how the Daily Kos operates.
LMAO, Andy.
Just saw Jeff’s latest link to Patterico. I would call that an unconditional surrender. So, all you cult members are all right by us now! Please don’t embarrass us any more.
I don’t want Barak Obama to turn my country into a workers’ paradise.
Is that too much to ask?
Oh, and if you say “no honor” so fast it becomes “nohonor” the phrase becomes a subliminal bastardization of the first half of the taunt “neener neener”. Such a taunts is devastating to self esteem, so watch yourselves.
I understand that the New Improved Campaign Finance Reform Reform Bill or the Executive Order or Obscure FEMA Rule Change will address such abuse at length.
Just watch it. Because you will be watched.
#68 mcgruder,
Without having to pander to the Religious Right either, to be honest. Reagan didn’t need to because he was clearly a leader and they hitched their boat to him. The GOP since Reagan (and especially since 1996) seems dead set on pandering – as in “Democrat-Lite”.
Running on “Compassionate Conservatism” aka “We’re like the Democrats, but we’ll do it cheaper” is a recipe for failure. Bush only squeeked by in 2000 because Gore was as inspiring as a telephone poll, and in 2004 because Senator Lurch was obviously a disaster waiting to happen.
Patrick’s post on Thompson is embarrassing. “You see? THIS is what I’ve been saying! So, like, I’m an OUTLAW TOO! Only, you know, the better, more carefuller kind! CHARGE!”
I suppose a “reasonable” person can’t take wishing the failure of the policies that define Obama’s agenda as wishing Obama fails.
These “moderates” we need to appeal to seem to move from very dumb to very capable of intricate distinctions — depending on how Patrick Frey needs them to act as cutouts in his arguments.
Not very real world, that.
You just never know when you might need a 14,000-word treatise on the Law of the Sea Treaty.
Heh, he took so much friggin’ abuse for that. I think he had only recently started when he started posting that.
In any case, Gabe may be thinking of the comment that was deleted or whatever earlier, he may be out of loop on the whole banning thing, but obviously I can’t speak for him, so I could be wrong.
re: #79
Boat = wagon, actually (damned mixed metaphors)
poll = pole (geez)
I think I need another Scotch…
Did I just read that PP post correctly. He just referred to manning the barricades. Like in the French Revolution. Like in a direct call for a Robespierrian Reign of Terror.
Robespierrian Reign of Terror Threat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the heck is Malor talking about. Did Patrick F. do a “double secret unbanning”?
“Patrick’s post on Thompson is embarrassing. “You see? THIS is what I’ve been saying!—
And when the left absolutely lays into Thompson for these well chosen words anyway what will become of Patterico’s point?
Maybe he should get his shit straight before he goes off saying I acted in bad faith.
I apologized for claiming my comment was removed on purpose. But it was removed, and given that it had links that militated against the argument of the post itself — and given that it called Patterico insane — I thought it likely he took it down.
When he said he didn’t, I accepted that. And I apologized twice for it.
Whole lot of good that did me.
#84 geoffb
Who knows, maybe he did.
See? Goldstein is NOT banned. So there!
You can all go to hell, I thought my “Robespierrian Reign of Terror” crack was hilarious.
Which I will now note in my diary. In pen.
I think I posted too many links, and my post got eaten. (Or, “eated”, as Charles might snark.)
But that post pointed out that Infowars / Alex Jones are featured from Gateway Pundit to FOX, that Steve Sailer is posting about the zionist Lobby, that Derb and Razib and RS McCain all have articles on Taki’s mag, that Ron Paul supporters and Birth-Certificate truthers are demonstrating at Tea Parties, that RS McCain is downplaying Senator McCarthy, that a whole slew of bloggers are taking the side of European far-right groups with heavy ties to old-school fascism, that Ben Stein made a whole “documentary” lying about oppression of creationists, that Rush Limbaugh plugged Stein’s movie and slandered biologists as bigots (“not big tent people”).
In short, Charles believes that the right wing in this country has gone insane, and that it has to stop before (1) we become a one-party state, like Mexico under the PRI at best or (2) we have armed attacks by reactionary lunatics in the mountains (you really want to see “wolverines!” graffiti near you?) or (3) both.
You want to fight. That’s fine. But the allies you pick are important too. You’re better off with Charles in your corner, than with McCain or Gellar. Or Alex Jones.
@89 I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
That because Fred added policies in between the four words — and Rush only made that clear if one widens the context out a few more sentences — he articulated the thought better than Rush did, and for that, Patterico will defend him UNTO DEATH!
Because we shouldn’t demand the media portray meaning accurately. That’s asking a bit too much. But asking Fred to add the extra modifier, having had the luxury of seeing how Limbaugh’s meaning was twisted? That’s how you DO IT, baby!
Maybe he should get his shit straight before he goes off saying I acted in bad faith.
I apologized for claiming my comment was removed on purpose. But it was removed, and given that it had links that militated against the argument of the post itself — and given that it called Patterico insane — I thought it likely he took it down.
Well, maybe if Gabe sees he was thinking of the wrong thing he’ll apologize.
for what bicycle commentary?
Ditto, if that’s not too rushed.
94 for 90
Money for nothing’ and chicks for free…
I even managed to screw that one up…
“I apologized for claiming my comment was removed on purpose. But it was removed, and given that it had links that militated against the argument of the post itself — and given that it called Patterico insane — I thought it likely he took it down.
When he said he didn’t, I accepted that. And I apologized twice for it.
Whole lot of good that did me.”
If I was still around, none of this shit would have happened.
Oh well, bygones and such….
@90, thanks for the snark. Now, get me that juicebox.
And make sure that box comes from the BOTTOM of the fridge this time; because cool air sinks, and I want it extra cool, so that it gets damp along the sides.
*whew*
I think my work is done there. Took on Charles himself. Stopped when he returned a brilliant riposte. And then started up again. Foolish me.
Prolly didn’t change any minds but I linked Jeff’s Hot Air post for good measure.
MAN, those threads hit 500+ fast, don’t they?
I agree you need to pick your allies carefully. But Charles is so busy insulting the religious that he’s losing many of the non-religious who don’t particularly care for the arrogance that comes with tearing into those whose faith is not being foisted upon us by way of legislation.
I have no problem with him going after folks like Sailer — I debated him myself a long time back (under race, on my greatest hits) — or some of the others you mention.
It’s a fact of life that the fringe will often connect itself to an idea or policy for reasons that the majority of those who support the policy don’t believe in. Doesn’t mean, for instance, the we shouldn’t enforce our own immigration laws just because Neo Nazis agree.
Hey dicentra, this is what I just posted at LGF (
This would be more fun if our little country wasn’t being gutted like a trout I think. You really have to wonder what the narwhal thinks about all this.
dicentra, I hope you used falo ambulante at least once.
f88K charles and the bike he rode. andysullivanlite.
Oh, that was excellent, Darleen.
dicentra, I hope you used falo ambulante at least once.
LOL! Sorry, there wasn’t a call for one.
Look, I really dig Charles, even though I think he’s dead wrong on this and on his crusade against creationism (even though I don’t support teaching creationism or ID in the schools). He’s introduced me to some really great guitarists through his music posts (Tommy Emmanuel, Doug Ross, some french-sounding guy) and his latest Metheney reminded me that I didn’t have Still Life Talking on MP3.
So I’m not interested in bashing him personally. He’s a stand-up guy but not a conservative (by his own admission). So we shouldn’t expect him to tout conservative ideals all the time.
disguised regular has Pat right earlier today when he notes that Pat is stuck with a dullish and plodding brain, not given to easy passage through image and metaphor. It gets him in trouble sometimes. It prevents him from seeing plain things before his eyes at others. A great deal of his problem, if problem it is (and the root of problem is “fence/barrier”) isn’t really of his doing in the sense that he just lacks that capacity. On the other hand, he ought to be aware of it by now.
Oh, and thanks Darleen for the support.
Don’t know how many converts you/we made, but hey, the discussion is always worth it.
Not even remotely true. And you can start with the idea that there are, somehow, two wars.
Wonder what Pat would think of this. I’m fairly certain that Mark isn’t really concerned with hurt feelings.
Doesn’t mean, for instance, the we shouldn’t enforce our own immigration laws just because Neo Nazis agree.
Hater!
You’re right, dicentra. I just have to use vocabulary words regularly at first or I’ll forget them and then be unprepared when I come across a Freudian.
Yeah, I totally agree, I’m agnostic, and I’m still strongly against religion bashing. For one, if it wasn’t for the Jesuits I still wouldn’t be able to tie my shoes.
darn it, will you people shut up about that book? It showed up today, but I won’t have time to read it for a while cause I’m damned sure not going to read it at rehearsal. There’s enough crazy there already.
Patterico:
As if Rush started his show, said “good morning, I hope Obama fails”, then said “good bye”, and his show ended.
Besides, didn’t Patterico admit he was wrong about Rush?
Never mind, he has no honor and truth us not his friend.
Shrill, creationist-hating atheists make my teeth itch. Weirdest obsession ever. Were Dennett and Dawkins fondling themselves when penning some of their most vitriolic passages? I didn’t just say that, because I love The Selfish Gene and Consciousness Explained. My bad, Dan and Dick.
Sure, why not toss creationism around in a high school biology class? It’s a fascinating topic, rehearsed in many philosophy classes in college (Paley, Hume) to the great benefit of the students’ critical thinking skills. What’s the matter, scared of open inquiry? In fact, creationism has now been pretty robustly refuted. It’s gonna dumb the kids down – BOO!! What’s there to be scared of? The apoplexia remains a mystery.
And now Jindal is swinging the “fail” bat? Jindal ’12. Or Sarah Palin. Can you run for VP twice or is that bad form?
From the comments over at LGF:
Looks like I have more work to do.
That was a good point, lee. It may be all there is to say really.
Jesus. It’s the end of liberty and self-government if O succeeds. I guess some people are ready for the American experiment to fail.
JeffG,
Yeah, but you’re up to it. You beat the living hell out of us, after all.
I mean about how Fred is given the courtesy of context.
Another:
I think the most efficient method to prevent Dems from taking our words and using them as they please is to cut out our tongues. Some feminists did that in Garp, I think.
We should cut off our typing fingers, too. Glad I hunt and peck.
All much easier than calling them liars and refusing to let them steal our meaning.
Darleen, I read your post there, and “dinged it up” as we say. Charles didn’t like it as much. I paused from commenting there in other to show up here and to deliver (what I hope is) the approved talking point. To squeeze a soundbite out of the talking point, it would be “don’t feed the wingnuts”. Whether Jeff’s arguments amount to feeding the wingnuts is another topic (I happen to side with you, and Jeff, on this one).
Jeff: first, thank you for your swift, considered, and respectful response.
I’m not a regular here any more, but that’s more me self-banning. Your posts are always insightful. (I may have mentioned that in a comment once. Bears repeating.) Has Charles ever really attacked the religious for being religious, as opposed to attacking a sect of religious people for supporting crappy standards in class? I’m Catholic (since January 2008) and I haven’t noticed any antiCatholic or antiJewish backtalk from Charles or any other lizard (trolls aside).
On a less serious nitpick, I haven’t noticed Charles taking note of Sailer; I went after Sailer. But he does go after “folks like” Sailer. Which was your exact phrase, admittedly. So I’ll just shut up now.
Did someone say narwhals?
Too many people never knew it existed SarahW, so they wouldn’t, couldn’t miss it.
“I want Obama’s agenda to fail.”
Hey, look, he said he wants Obama to fail. Stone him!!!
Funny, Charles has the same problem Frey does: Neither know why they’re conservatives, making claims as to their conservatism suspect.
Honestly, I’m beginning to question the affiliations of many. Allahpundit also comes to mind over some of his latest issues (student loans among others)
More and more this alliance seems to be a remnant of the GWOT. As that fades the cracks begin to grow.
darn it, will you people shut up about that book? It showed up today, but I won’t have time to read it for a while cause I’m damned sure not going to read it at rehearsal. There’s enough crazy there already.
Well, pardon me all to hell, Maggie! Decaf?
Seriously though, I heard a radio interview today and Levin was talking about the same things Jeff has been promoting. My point is that there is an audience for it, some bloggers notwithstanding.
What I really think is that the wages of hubris are determined quite apart from what me or you want. Read it in a book, I did.
I’m really, really sorry lefty-type persons. I’m sorry I didn’t cry on election night, because it was the most wonderful thing ever that O got elected. (Just not his policies, but…) He’s great and I hope he succeeds. It’s really great having him in there. Not his policies, but, anyway, the point is I’m very sorry if I ever expressed or harbored any misgivings about O, hope he succeeds, really great, etc., but have some concerns about his policies. In any event, very sorry.
Gosh, it’s almost like some people don’t realize that to oppose someone you must you know, oppose him.
@129 HATER!!! RACIST!!!
Sorry!! (Really sorry!) Have some concerns about…it’s nothing really…sorry!
Don’t give the Dems talking points. Don’t they get it.
This shit makes me want to scream*. When did we become such pussies?
* Obviously a veiled death threat
ThomasD,
Sadly, that’s looking all too true.
Comment by Jim Ryan on 3/25 @ 10:03 pm #
I’m really, really sorry…that O got elected. It’s really great…express(ing) or harbor(ing) any misgivings about O…
I may have taken some of that out of context, but you are still a filthy racist!
They’ll have plenty of opportunity to get their “uh-oh, we’ve done it again haven’t we?” on, soon enough Spiny Norman.
So Pats was just waiting for someone to say they want Obama to fail the way Pats likes it to be said? I did NOT understand that to be what Pat wanted at all from what he’s written. Weird.
I’d debate Charles, but I’m afraid he’d ban me.
Jeff’s comment of “no honor†might be misinterpreted as a threat of violence or quite possibly of death.
Any “reasonable” person can see that it’s at least a challenge to a duel, right? Never mess with a grappler.
I do understand the impulse to be squishy among certain conservatives. I live in NYC and as a simple matter of social survival I soften my edges and place distance between myself and certain Republican personages (if I discuss politics at all). But I never lose sight of the fact that it is an act of sorts and too many putative blue state conservatives seem to internalize this behavior instead, and try to mold the Republican party in their image. And it is utter horseshit. There’s no point in being a politically engaged conservative if you don’t accept that you are at war with liberal assumptions rather than merely trying to win in spite of them.
I’d debate Charles, but I’m afraid he’d ban me.
Dude, go for it, start a collection, see how many’ll ban you.
JeffG,
You may not have to debate him. There’s an awful lot of people over there right now who are pretty unimpressed with his reasoning on this. And the number will grow, I suspect…
Charles and his footballs what are little and green need to bring the game what they so energetically bring against the terrorists. This isn’t the pretend soft-focus puddle of kitties socialism we’re dealing with here. This is the redistributey scimitar held at the throat of your little country kind.
Topsecretk9,
Pat was just looking for some one to surrender to other than Jeff. Everyone on his side of this debate will be headed in that direction, very soon. And if Jindal and Thompson have entered the fight on this note you can pretty much bet that the polling data shows it is a good idea. Us Pragmatic Republicans have had our ass handed to us, I think.
What is so surprising about this shit is that Jeff is uncouth with the OUTLAW! and the Billy Jack stuff, yet, look at the comments. I went through an Ace thread where there were 1,000 comments about this stuff. Breaking roughly 9 to 1 towards the OUTLAW! stance.
Some bloggers write for a half dozen other bloggers. Jeff writes for a slightly larger audience.
Zimriel! I love that.
Jaysus H keerist!!! I don’t know what more to say – Charles hates Jindal so much he writes crap like this:
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#878 Charles
3/25/09 9:17:15 pm reply quote 3downupfavoritereport
re: #862 iLikeCandy
Absolutely, 100% wrong. You can criticize him as harshly as you want, and I will. But when you cross the line to wishing for him to FAIL, you’re cutting your own throat, and defining your OWN viewpoint in negative terms
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He wants to take my money and leave my children in debt and make them do mandatory voluntary service, and socialize the health care system, and weaken the military, and grow the size of government, and make it more intrusive, and take away our guns, and ghettoize religion, and force physicians and pharmacists to either do things they believe to be unethical or give up practicing as part of the socialization of medicine, and make injured military pay for their treatments, and make our children wards of the state, and destroy our economy with his cap and trade schemes, and lots of other pernicious shit, but I really wish him all success apart from all that stuff.
The GWOT’s a pretty good metaphor. For years al Qaeda was at war with us, but we didn’t take the threat seriously enough until disaster happened on 9/11/01.
For years the left has been at war with us, but we didn’t take the threat seriously enough until disaster happened on 11/4/08.
Rush hit on this a little in his interview with Levin (sorry Maggie) when he said that he just naturally assumed that everyone loved America like he does.
It’s hard to accept that there are people living among us who hate everything this country stands for. I hope they fail.
blowhard,
There is a difference in commenting on events and trying to control them, brother. The control freaks never have a chance when times get interesting.
Here’s the Charles LGF link thing again. It’s kind of hard to find up there.
I think the most efficient method to prevent Dems from taking our words and using them as they please is to cut out our tongues. Some feminists did that in Garp, I think.
We should cut off our typing fingers, too. Glad I hunt and peck.
I seriously haven’t LOL’d in a long time.
Jeff, Jeff. Sigh. If you hadn’t made the attempt to sick your Weaponized Ents on nk (or whoever), this never would have happened.
That’s right. I see through your “tree” code word. I’m clever like that.
(And seriously, you people owe it to yourselves to click that link. The picture makes me giggle in this context.)
“The control freaks never have a chance when times get interesting.”
Yeah, I think we’re seeing that. From the MSM trying not to cover the Tea Parties to the GOP dandies pretending they know anything about presenting ideas.
Charles doesn’t do reasoning. He does coding, photography, bicycling, and OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE.
I mean, kudos on the Dan Rather thing and all, but seriously man. I started reading him in like … 2002, and then stopped in the last year or so when it became clear that he can’t grasp the concept that someone with ideas he views irrational can also hold other, largely rational ideas. Dude has a stupid litmus test for general intelligence, and he WON’T get over it.
You cannot debate a sitemaster on his own blog; any more than a peasant can out-argue King Henry VII. At best you can comment and see how others react. Comment moderators are sovereign, to borrow from Hobbes or from his disciple Mencius Moldbug.
You can, however, debate him from the shelter of your own blog.
Here’s something that has been troubling me: are we more loyal to a pan-European / observant-Jewish, wealth-creating social class, or to the people currently enclosed within the US’s borders?
Try this on : “I trust my class more than I trust my countrymen. Obama hurts my class. Even if America becomes stronger under Obama, it will be in the form of a fascist empire set against me. Therefore I want America to fail as long as Obama runs it.”
If you oppose Obama because he will make the country weaker, that’s patriotic. If you oppose Obama because he will make your family and your culture weaker, that’s not patriotic. I suspect that for those arguing the most forcefully that Obama should fail, the second argument is foremost.
Close your italics tag, Jeff!
Heh, I feel like I’m at Ace’s.
Damn everything has gone all wavy. Flashback! Flashback! Play it Jimi! Dance naked hippie girls!
How many liberty loving people really want a Commie in a Candy Shop to succeed, huh?
the damned italics will stop NOW
heh. I was a bit too late with the
I actually just read that LGF thing. He’s sort of a graceless fuck, this charles and his footballs what are little and green. Tell me again why he’s relevant? Oh. He started Pajamas Media.
The bendy-line slash ay backward-bendy-line, that is.
Okay, back to normal now. I can put my pants back on.
Well, Zimriel, I already made my case at Hot Air. Charles didn’t allude to it in any way or try to answer its points, but it’s out there.
Maybe Ed Driscoll can rewrite it. Then maybe Charles will give it a quick going over.
They want us to sound like them I guess:
“I support the troops just not the war.”
“I support the Predisnet, just not his agenda.”
Because it’s not biology. It’s not religion, either. It’s…a badness.
Charles is a bit off on the subject, and the Nazi shit, tonally, but he’s onto something, whether he can make his own case or not.
Any non-totalitarian political philosophy that softens to absorb racism, or tries to co-opt religion, however little and to whatever end, gets wormed in the same way that “pragmatic conservatism” does by the linguistic rot Jeff points to (and religion, too, can’t survive the joining, but Charles can’t see that).
He’s just less intellectual and more cranky about his pet cause(s), because he’s…less intellectual and more cranky. He lets others make a case, points to it and says, “What he said, dummies. Get it this time?” It’s tiring.
And he’s tired.
He’s also right about Jindal embodying a GOP death-wish — three of them, I’d say — but not in the way he thinks (or, often, tiredly doesn’t). It’s…
Another time.
Comment by TheUnrepentantGeek on 3/25 @ 10:37 pm #
It wasn’t long after 9/11 I found LGF and became a regular there. Never met Charles but went to a few LGF meetups in Santa Monica.
But I haven’t read him regular over the past couple of years for exactly the reason you cite. He has this “creationist” tic … anyone that dare breathes that maybe the Universe might have a designer becomes his total enemy.
The contempt he has for Jindal oozes from the blog. His reponses on the thread bear that out.
I hate creationism but I hate Meghan McCain more.
But I do thank those of you who linked it over there. Not that anyone appears interested in reading it.
Here’ the thing: I’ll trade the people who call themselves conservatives but who accept that the current media landscape is a force of nature that we need to just learn to deal with for those who are now Dems who refuse to have their meaning stolen, and dislike the way the media is manipulating narratives.
Those are the people I want to win over, because they, at their ideological core, back the idea of individual freedom. Structurally. As part of their thinking.
McCain, I noted at the time, is a statist who backs many conservative issues. I didnt’ trust him.
If we’re worried about reforming the GOP, it should be around our ideals — and we should be actively courting those who might come to believe in them.
Nuke the whole Dems/Repubs labeling system from orbit and restart it with progressives and classical liberals. Sell it that way, based on ideals and principles.
That’s what I meant by using our ideals pragmatically.
How come no one ever makes fun of me?
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Close your italics tag, Jeff!
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Comment by doubleplusundead on 3/25 @ 10:40 pm #
Heh, I feel like I’m at Ace’s.
Another LOL. Ya’ll are making my sprained ankle feel better already.
but I hate Meghan McCain more
That’s like totally mean. You should chill out with me and Russell Brand. He is frickin’ hilarious.
I have a different take on this, or rather a similar take that proffers a different strategy. If you search Intelligent Design you can find it.
To post on a message board that doesn’t ban you, what’s the point?
Ban yourself, Jeff, and be the ball.
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
— Tommy J.
PFRC,
You do it to yourself. We don’t have to.
“anyone that dare breathes that maybe the Universe might have a designer becomes his total enemy.”
You mean “anyone who passive-aggressively misrepresents Charles’s position has revealed herself as his total enemy already”, I’m sure…
I’m a conservative but damn it I’m an old-fashioned, hick (by way of growing up California in the 50’s/60’s) public school, heteronormative, breeder, SAHM, non-religious but God believing INDIVIDUAL that will stand toe to toe with any knee-jerk “can’t we all get along” kumby-ah – either right or left statist who wants collectivism FOR THE SECURITY then growing up, accepting adulthood and realizing life ain’t always fair but it is what it is.
Funny, I sang “kumbya” around the campfire when I was a Girl Scout, but it didn’t mean then what it seems to mean now.
JeffG,
Well, as everyone has probably noticed I’m in favor of nuking the Republican part of the Republican Democrat divide….
Here’ the thing: I’ll trade the people who call themselves conservatives but who accept that the current media landscape is a force of nature that we need to just learn to deal with for those who are now Dems who refuse to have their meaning stolen, and dislike the way the media is manipulating narratives.
Well said. For the life of me, I just don’t understand the thought process that says ceding the battlefield to the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) without a fight is a good strategy.
Going back to McCain, how many times did you see him get served up an easily hittable pitch during the campaign (Fannie & Freddie come to mind) only to watch strike 3 cross the plate. Remember the convention – “fight with me” – all I could think was: when you start fighting, fucker, I will.
Gah – damned Meghan sockpuppet bitch
BTW JeffG?
IMHO Obama’s analogy of the US economy to an oceanliner is a “poker tell”…. because our economy is definitely NOT a single ship that must be commanded by a captain at the bridge… the US economy is a flotilla of all manner of sizes, shapes of boats and ships under their own captains and the Fed Government is the defensive escort.
accepting adulthood and realizing life ain’t always fair but it is what it is.
Your SoCal Soccerr coach didn’t yell at you
“Who ever told you life was fair LIED!! Now get with the fucking program sweetheart”
Mine did. I’m glad he did and he was right.
My administration is gonna reset the Russian deal by inviting them into NATO. I’m also gonna administer an abortion right there on the altar in a Catholic Church.
Nuance, niggaz! No likey? Fuck you! I won!
TopsecretK9
No soccer when I was a kid. Just pick up games of whatever we wanted to do on the block, no adults around.
I’m an optimist, sometimes Life has happy wonderful surprises.
I am a realist, too… being the daughter of a man that had been an Army DI does that. ;-)
I don’t think it hurts to do a few “good cop, bad cop” maneuvers, but like everyone else I’m a bit fed up with “red-on-red” arguing (that second one is Ace of Spades’s phrase).
It’s healthy to have debates, but not so great to simply squabble. I actually agree with the thread in Patterico’s argument to the effect that Diplomacy is a Good Thing when one wants to win hearts and minds and whatnot. I just thought he never understood the thrust of what YOU were saying, Jeff.
And I’m afraid Megan M. is losing me; I haven’t really heard anything substantive from her, and I feel that, like her father, she’s just trying to triangulate. I’m afraid that I see this as “putting herself into a position such that, when the free-market, civil-liberties people lose, she can sweep in and offer some kind of bullshit bipartisan solution.” Either that, or maybe she’s testing the waters for a book deal.
As far as Steele went, I think he just blew it and tried for a moment to get the cool kids to like him–and then thought better of it later on.
Jindal and Palin seem to be playing it smart: NOT knocking the free-market people, and not getting excited about truly inconsequential matters, but taking their shots. (One can argue Sarah’s “Special Olympics” remark either way, but I had no problem with her statement in the context of Obama’s frequent gaffes. Also, she concluded her statement with something about hoping that his weird remark about Special Olympics didn’t reflect Big O’s “true” feelings–which I saw as a nod to intentionalism, FWIW.)
I guess what I’m driving at is that I don’t have a problem with people who are setting themselves up to be the “good cops,” but I think that some of our “centrist” brethren are simply out for themselves, rather than attempting to advance debate, ideas, and facilitate communication.
(And, just to pick the scab again, I don’t think that’s what Patterico was doing; I just think he has a blind spot about the Goldsteinian approach to linguistics. So I’m not pissed at him, but I am annoyed at most of the “Bad, Bad Rush” people. Steele . . . well, he did apologize. And I think he might have been thinking of playing ‘Good Cop’ to Rush’s ‘Bad Cop.’ The problem is, that usually backfires. When in doubt in the political sphere, tell the truth.)
Gabe admits error in ++undead thread.
Darleen
Just pick up games of whatever we wanted to do on the block, no adults around.
Those were the days. Kids don’t do that anymore.
I’m an optimist too, but coach Kyle’s HARSH yet true words worked and sunk in. I imagine this nicey nice republican talk we’re all supposed to abide by being spoken by a coach of anything…that team is in the bottom, right? Or giving trophy’s to losers, right?
It has always been to me a Leftist thing to have the equation, Leader = Country, Leader fails = Country fails.
The President is not the Country. He is the head of the Executive branch (1/3) of the National Government. And just one guy. He can be Alfred E. Neuman and the USA will go on.
With Obama, the USA can only fail if he succeeds. Obama wants the USA to fail. That’s why I want him to fail. What is so damn hard about that?
Sure, Little Miss Atilla. Why be pissed at a guy maintaining since DAY 1 of my argument that I was out to destroy his reputation? Why be pissed at a guy who has accused me, publicly, of making death threats than closed me out of the threads in which I might defend myself against such a ludicrous charge?
I don’t think I’m a bad cop. I can talk sweet and alter my rhetorical style based on audience (which, who is Limbaugh speaking to?), and I never said there was anything wrong with that.
But yes, Patrick never understood what I was saying. Taking that failure out on me is wrong and dishonorable.
I hate the big bang theory. I just don’t get it. How does a massive explosion result in life?
Anyway, I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m stupid for believing the universe and life were created by a higher power. I don’t let others opinions define me.
Why be pissed at a guy maintaining since DAY 1 of my argument that I was out to destroy his reputation?
This I don’t get. He squabbles with likes of Saddly No!
LittlemissAtilla, I like you, I’ve have read you for quite awhile.
This isn’t a pox on both their houses scenario.
Yes, we should shoot towards the enemy, agreed. So, why give Patterico a pass for trumping up a death threat against one of our own?
Gabe apologizes. I appreciate the apology. I don’t quite like the thinking that allowed him to make the initial accusation.
Still, I accept. And I’m glad he made the correction.
“Anyway, I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m stupid for believing the universe and life were created by a higher power. I don’t let others opinions define me.”
lee, I’m agnostic and aspects of math make me consider a higher power. You’re right to think for yourself.
Oh. I see this has been mentioned already. Now I apologize. For the redundancy.
Patterifey understands what is allowed and what isn’t.
Why? Because; that’s why.
Charles (numerous times) has equivocated Creationist Christians with the Islamofascists terrorists, which is far more than just not wanting any mention of Intelligent Design in schools.
He constantly harps that the reason the GOP lost the last few election cycles is because of Social Conservatives which is his code word for Creationist Christians, although most Christians are SoCons who are pro-life so I don’t see why he makes a distinction there.
And when Charles began calling Robert Spencer a neo-nazi supporter, he convinced me that he, Charles, had gone batshit insane (okay, actually before that, but one does note a pattern here).
So while Charles is so fearful of Creationists destroying America and our public schools (which were co-opted long ago by the Left), the Left continues it’s assault on our liberties. Perhaps Charles can point out all the liberties we have lost to the eeevil creationists and the massive debt they have incurred. Any minute now…
While I don’t agree with most of what young earth Christians believe in, religiously speaking, we do share a love for liberty and many of the same values and principles.
The Left on the other hand, is a clear and present danger.
But yes, Patrick never understood what I was saying.
I think he did, that’s why he went to such pains to HotAir it and rephrase it and spice it up with niceness. And he thought all the sugar would win the day and make Jeff go away.
Maybe the higher power created the Big Bang. What,you thought all those constants just happened to be perfect? Right.
My God also set up evolution as the perfect way to let life find it’s way in the universe. I have no difficulty being religious and scientific. Two sides of a coin to me.
More and more this alliance seems to be a remnant of the GWOT. As that fades the cracks begin to grow.
Which was to be predicted. Lots of people switched to the starboard side precisely because they were so disgusted with how the Left reacted to 9/11.
But they’re not traditional conservatives or Republicans by any means or stretch of the imagination. The GWOT united us while it was in our faces. And Obama will unite us again, but don’t fret over the red-on-red squabbling. It’s cathartic. We’ve had to spend eight years defending a “compassionate conservative” and then voting for a squish on the lesser of two evils principle.
I’d debate Charles, but I’m afraid he’d ban me.
Wuss. I did it, and you could slam me to the ground with a withering stare.
Shit. I can’t find the correct workout DVD. Looks like I’m gonna have to go beat a tire again. Fuck me. It’s cold outside.
But when you say you want him to FAIL, even if you try to qualify it by saying “if his policies hurt America I want him to fail,†you are alienating and losing the support of the vast middle, who do NOT want any American president to fail.
Huh. Has anyone at LGF reminded him of the 2006 poll where 51% of Democrats said they did not want Bush to succeed?
The poll prompted this New York Post article warning Democratic candidates not to feed the views of the angry left, because “the independent and moderate voters the Democrats must win over to regain a majority are repelled by candidates who pander to rageful supporters with tunnel vision.” That was written 2 months before the 2006 election. So much for alienating the delicate sensibilities of the vasty middle.
The Patterico Way:
“If someone tries to distort that, I will be the first one to man the barricades and defend him. And I’m grateful to him for making that job easy for me.”
Or, if you disagree with me, I might accuse you a death threat and ban you.
That is just the way I run, baby. Get used to it.
Just to repeat, because it answers some of Charles’ objections:
Maybe the higher power created the Big Bang.
No, I created the burrito first. Big bang came after that.
Wow, this joker really believes that?
Funny, I always thought the guys that came up with “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” were the ones who, ahem, created America.
It doesn’t. It just results in the creation of the universe from an unknown and unknowable previous condition of “non-existance.”
You have to go through a lot more theories first before you get to a result of life.
See, this is pretty much what we’re dealing with.
I like the big bang theory cause it a lot diminishes the chance we’ll run into anything.
And then there’s this.
So,
We are god fart.
Nose be holding.
We are lost in the smelly odors.
And we’ve got to get ourselves back to the bathroom.
Good Burrito.
geoffb , I don’t have a problem with your #202. I am not a young earther either, and have long believed evolution is likely a tool of creation. Now that I think about it, perhaps He did start with the big bang(the first step being dividing the light from the darkness, as it were), but if so, it is still creation, and not just some random cosmic cataclysm.
narwhals didn’t just happen
ok maybe they did but still
Speaking of big bangs ( in Allahpundits dreams), here’s Mehgan McCain’s new twitterblog. There are some edgy-cutey-soft-but-hard-chick flag skulls. She may well pull the Bratz generation into the party.
RTO, That’s a distinction without a difference. You are still arriving at life from the beginning explosion.
How does a massive explosion result in life?
Hitting the point where concrete sidewalk meets pavement? They seem to be same thing but they aren’t cause accidents to pedestrians.
Anything I said would just spoil it.
By the way, I miss Big Bang Hunter, whatever happened to him?
It is also a matter for faith, since it is completely beyond any means to determine scientifically what happened before the Big Bang. Fundamentally unknowable. God’s cosmic reset button.
So that leaves faith. Mine is in God starting all of creation. Others believe it was random chance. Still a matter of faith.
By the way, I miss Big Bang Hunter, whatever happened to him?
Me too. Pumping you UP!
No, it was beer first, then burrito. Burrito alone just doesn’t have that explosive quality.
I agree about BBH. I hope he’s well.
Yup.
Not all Progressive Republicans are banning together! Some of us are forming a splinter party, the Democratic Non-Bush Republican Bipartisan Party. I dare anyone not to agree with something we might or might not imply but will definitely apologize for later anyway.
“Comment by happyfeet on 3/25 @ 11:57 pm”
Paris McCain
In order to beleive in the Big Bang you have to beleive that the Second Law of Thermodynamics was momentarily repealed.
maybe I should have said something
Chris L.
I’m in!
oh. #231 was at #228…
Paris McCain except I was for real charmed by that video Paris did during the campaign.
Quick pitch for the agnostics: we don’t have faith, we just have no idea what’s going on.
Can someone explain to me what a progressive republican is?
I think the way it goes is there were no such things as the Second Law of Thermodynamics until the Big Bang created the conditions under which they can be. No before, before. At least in any meaningful way to science.
Question: What was before the Big Bang? Answer: MU
Which is also the answer to those “when did you stop beating your wife” questions the left throws about. MU
Not at all. Let us borrow the greatest formulation of the lazy Cosmologists, the Anthropic Principle. (Strong or Weak–doesn’t matter here)
The Universe we live in is ordered such as it allows for our form of life to exist. What if that random explosion had resulted in a Universe that is not so ordered? Would a different form of life have, inevitably, arisen? Would it have been barren of life? (My favorite: If barren of life, would it even actualy, objectively exist wihtout some agency capable of perceiving that it did, objectively exist?)
If a different form of life was inevitable, what would be the evidence to support that contention?
Sort of like a me except even more useless.
It is a pleasure to listen to this verbal beatdown…
I think he wants him to fail!
Just so, but at what point after the bang does the 2LoTD kick in such that we avoid a condition where the Universe is moving from a higher to a lower entropy state?
Comment by The Pragamtic Republicans on 3/26 @ 12:18 am #
Sort of like a me except even more useless.
thanks! thought so.
RTO Trainer,
I have to apologize. I’d like to continue but I am being forcibly requested by my lovely wife to “get to bed”. 2:30 am here.
Off the top of my head I’d say when the universe became transparent to electromagnetic radiation.
Goodnight now.
Heh, I admire your candor!
And to match it, RTO just left me in his dust.
No wonder I don’t get the big bang, I am stupid…
I almost took a better shot at the entropy question, but I realized I may not fully understand it, though I know entropy from an engineering standpoint. Since I believe in G-d, perhaps the big bang was caused by G-d changing the physical laws of the universe. Maybe entropy didn’t work that way before. Or maybe G-d is an entropy source and sink, depending on his mood. Or maybe we really don’t understand the universe as well as we think we do.
Not scientific, I know, but the brain, she is long done for the day. Maybe tomorrow it will be fresher.
“Heh, I admire your candor!”
I’ll go one better. I have no idea what Joyce was saying in Ulysses. Not in the least.
Jindal needs to be silenced. He’s calling the Dems on their linguistic tyranny:
Bad, bad Republican. He’ll sink us yet.
Re: Progressive Republican
My fundamental rule: All collective action is ultimately corrupted.
Proof: Labor unions, MADD, Greenpeace, ACLU, any effort organized on the basis of collective action.
Treachery always trumps Dedication. Progressive Republicans are just authoritarians who wish to use Leftist tactics of denouncement, derision, etc. to gain power.
You guys probably covered this already, but how is it possible that a guy who has devoted his blogging life to taking down the L.A. Times and seeing the extent they’ll go to to shape the narrative–I swear he called them out last summer for just making shit up!–how does this guy NOT get this?
How is it possible?
By the way, pragmatists: that quote is on a CNN web page. Right there for people to read for themselves. Untwisted, unadulterated, unmistakable.
So don’t tell me that calling the Dems on their linguistic tyranny won’t play in Peoria.
It just did.
Can someone explain to me what a progressive republican is?
Someone who wants to serve God without offending the Devil.
As it were.
how does this guy NOT get this?
One answer: hubris. He had an initial visceral reaction and once he blogged it (more than once) he couldn’t back down.
Another answer: He’s a lawyer. The strongest supporters of Patt’s position on the ‘sphere are lawyers.
Another answer: Beats me.
Can someone explain to me what a progressive republican is?
Ever heard of Marshal Pétain?
#981 Charles :: Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:54:36 pm
I see Darleen is now trashing me at Protein Wisdom. Typical.
So when someone reports the truth about what Charles said he considers that “trashing.”
Not that he doesn’t deserve a good trashing, but I didn’t see where Darleen trashed him.
Perhaps I should trash him so he can see the difference. On second thought, Queeg is too stupid to see the difference, so it would be a waste of time.
I mean, when someone goes full-retard like that, what more can you really say?
Speaking of full retard….
Remind me again why this guy was the only reasonable choice for Secretary of the Treasury.
Comment by dicentra on 3/26 @ 12:59 am #
Can someone explain to me what a progressive republican is?
Someone who wants to serve God without offending the Devil.
As it were.”
LOL! Snort! But in the case of Charles: As long as God didn’t create anything.
Blowhard, I watched Ulysses on TV once, but I forget who Joyce was. One of the Mermaids?
Kidding…
Progressive Republican = Teddy Roosevelt?
dicentra, SBP and others have been schooling me lately. Maybe they’d continue. Me, I don’t know exactly why I’m supposed to like the guy.
Because trusts need busting?
National parks?
Looking plump on a horse?
Because his very name kills threads?
Well, I think Teddy founded the NRA, so there’s that.
Is it okay to want O’s “hair” to fail, than?
A must read: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-talk-obama-chiamar24,0,6150429.story
I don’t know much about Teddy R. I’ve never been very good at history or presidents. But he’s not on the conservative Epic Fail list, I do know that.
Wait. How come Charles is calling out Darleen but not me?
I’m hurt. Maybe I should have slagged on him for not wanting bad creationism taught in the schools.
“Trashing”?
Yeah. I’d be banned in an instant.
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FTFY. And that’s not a threat. That’s what we call a statement of fact, sort of along the lines of observing that water’s wet.
Part of the problem is that guy whose big fat face looks like it’s being squeezed in a vise made of sideburns………oh yeah Frank Luntz is his name.
He wires up volunteer idiots and monitors how certain words and phrases make them feel. He uses different colored lines for Democrats and Republicans. And the best words and phrases are the ones that make both the D and R feel really good. Words Matter is the name of his book.
I would love to be with Frank when he says, “this feely-line-phrase-plexor is great for finding just the right words to use.”
Then I’d work up a big slooge of my chewing tobacco and spit it on his lapel and say, “How is it on stains?”
h/t Josey Wales
USS Ben wrote:
She dared to post something about him somewhere else is the “logic” Charles uses, IIRC.
There’s no point in being a politically engaged conservative if you don’t accept that you are at war with liberal assumptions rather than merely trying to win in spite of them.
Word,Abe.
MSM throws scraps out the back door and everybody scrambles to lap them up. We’ll never learn.
I don’t like Obama — he is despicable. He should never have been given such power. The people he has chosen to be around and who have chosen to be around him are dangerous. They destroy liberty and innovation. I know this.
Yessssss, I hope he fails. I hope his administration fails. I hope all the creepy dirty Democrat policies fail, fail, fail. No apologies.
Vichy Republicans? I can use that.
Careful with the lawyer craks folks. LTC John, as one example, is a lawyer. So is Fred!, for that matter.
The odds are less than one in the number of particles in the universe, actually.
So oops. Look! A closeup of the sky over Malibu. Ever hear my Steely Dan? I coded some new buttons!
Good lord, how the hell did I “trash” Charles? I posted his comment, I expressed frustration and pointed out his Jindal-phobia, which is evident in how he labels Jindal’s name everytime he writes about him.
THAT is trashing???
WTF is going on?
Maybe we shouldn’t say we want Obama to fail. Maybe we should say we want him impeached.
That made Bush toxic enough to screw any chance there might have been for an R to get elected. You’ll recall McBush, McSame, etc…
I want Obama impeached for trying to cripple America. There, I said it. I feel so dissenty and patriotic.
impeached and wedgied
WTF is going on?
Sounds like a variation of Caric disease to me, only using “trash” instead of “smear”.
On the point of attorneys, weren’t the sophists the first attorneys, in terms of self serving arguments. Jeff watch any cup they give you, it might have hemlock in it.
And maybe a swirly.
Patt needs to explain the nuance to commenters such as this one :
If Obama fails then the whole country fails. You sound like a traitor to me, Mr. Thompson.
But, but, but … Fred did it “Right.” Oh, the heartache.
And an Indian burn.
I denounce myself.
Because he’s Teh Messiah! Only if he succeeds can the world be saved! Only if he succeeds will the Mayan calendar reset and time continue past 21 Dec 2012!
WTF is going on?
I’m giving Charles the benefit of the doubt and assuming that the pressures of running LGF 24/7 have made him punch-drunk.
Auto-denouncement included.
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Dude thinks Christian Creationist are going to “destroy science” and that Robert Freakin’ Spencer is a Nazi symp. He’s simply not right in the head.
Thats like being “afraid” you might hit the ground after jumping off the roof. Tiny Little Balls is a worthless exercise all the way around.
Yeah. If there’s a guy who needs a well deserved vacation, Charles is it.
It occurs to me that Carlin’s take on words and meaning might be an effective weapon in this struggle, from an unlikely source.
Link it up, brother! I’ll bump it to a post.
Here you go, Jeff.