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- In The Mailbox: 02.28.23 (Afternoon Edition) : The Other McCain on Hey, longtime pw readers…
- In The Mailbox: 12.23.22 : The Other McCain on Patrick J. Carroll truly IS a sad, embittered psychopath
- Danger on Patrick J. Carroll might be a psychopath
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- In The Mailbox: 07.18.22 : The Other McCain on Patrick J. Carroll might be a psychopath
I think Gerald Way said:
“Be yourself, don’t take anyone’s shit, and never let them take you alive.â€
I wonder if prosecutors are held to higher standards for libel, given that they know how to game the system.
At any rate, Patrick Frey has no honor. In my opinion.
And if he doesn’t make a correction soon, I might have to change my blog’s name to “Patrick Frey has no Honor. In my opinion.”
Seriously. They are playing a dangerous game.
I’ve heard the same thing said about the temple prostitutes of yore. In the end, though, they were still whores.
I’m only leaving this post up for a short period of time.
I’ll take it down once I know it’s been read.
I wonder what Stashiu is attributing his “increasingly creepy” assertion to, since not only did I not see any physical violence threatened (nor psychic, for that matter) I’ve no idea what he’s talking about there either.
If, outside of their professional life, on a weblog or internet message board in their control, a prosecutor supported the actions of one abusive commenter and then trumped up a serious accusation (such as a death threat) against another commenter, would that be indicative of his/her ability to show proper prosecutorial discretion? Would it show a tendency for selective prosecution? Would it be indicative of their judgment during ongoing cases? Would it be a relevant factor during an appeal of a previous case?
Or, would it not be relevant at all?
It will be read. The problem is being understood.
James Frey, now Patrick Frey, I’m less than impressed with those named Frey nowadays.
They consider anyone strongly disagreeing with Patterico “creepy.” Unless it’s like timb or SEK, who they believe they can woo with their pragmatic conservative message.
Threat thread!
I’M KILLIN’ Y’ALL.
“Pride is an admission of weakness; it secretly fears all competition and dreads all rivals.” Fulton Sheen.
And you are too, in a comedic sort a way.
I’m getting pissed. Where’s the evidence? Does no one over there have the balls to say something?
The funny thing is, it was the consensus early the next day that OF COURSE I hadn’t made a death threat. But now they’ve circled the wagons.
Honor.
Ethics.
Nuance.
You’re a fucky nuckase.
I’ve noticed a lot of that sort of thing lately. I rarely bother to check out LFG because it’s become an echo chamber. Dissenters seem to have been purged.
Hey, at least he means well. I mean, you can’t just fuck with a conservative, just because he’s fucking with you, can you?
Stashiu wouldn’t say, [my hypothetical] “He’s got a lunatic obsession with the truth, it’s creepy man.” would he?
I’ve got a 40 lb sledge I’m going to go swing at some truck tires. Hopefully that’ll take the edge off.
If anyone is doing a “noses off”* it is Patrick and his cheering squad. I was in the thread real time when Pat made the “no job” comment then the “sits on ass all day” comment and I called ’em on the slam against SAH parents.
And I was told I was making it up. Bold as brass.
*only know this from other thread. I won’t go back to Pats. Life’s too short.
BTW, I have had the pleasure to work with a number of wonderful DDA’s and I am proud to count many among my friends.
But every profession has a downside and can hollow some people out.
Pat has lost something in his private life – his integrity and honesty. I hope to hell his work persona doesn’t follow the same path.
You’re a fucky nuckase.
How cool is that?
No, I mean seriously, how cool is that? Because I have no idea.
40 lbs is pretty hefty. I don’t think I’ve swung more than 16 lb on the end of a stick.
Now, if you put a blade on one side of it, you could do some serious logsplitting. Just sayin’.
I do not get this dispute. Patterico got pissed at you and overreacted that night. The next day he should have moved on. His own friends told him as much (read his posts he admits others said there was no threat). But his pride of being the reasonable one will not let him admit his mistake. So Patterico keeps saying you might have meant a threat and he keeps digging the hole deeper.
It’s all because of the perceived threat, Joe. It matters not whether there was an actual threat; just that Patterico initially thought that there may have been one.
I mean, none of it is real, right? If the perceived threat isn’t real, how can the lack of a perceived threat be real?
Like I said before, I would hate to be an innocent man charged with a crime in Pattericos court. It seems winning is of more importance than truth to him.
I could just see his summation: “Now, if a dog were being called by his master, but he paused on his way home to do business with a tree, is he 1) guilty of inciting violence by angering his superior, 2) guilty of abusing flora, or 3) guilty of reckless disregard for proper societal convention? I charge you with answering my questions, and coming to the right decision, he is guilty no matter which answer you chose. You must convict!”
I just spent an half an hour re-reading that thread. Now I have a headache.
That is simply not a threat. It might look like one if you do a couple of rhetorical backflips and land on your head. But that’s just you, because it isn’t one.
Which is not to say that that thread isn’t ugly, because it is.
And yet the accusation is real.
I mean, Joe, I could be posing a dire physical threat to you right this minute. If Jeff had any sense at all, he’d ban the lot of us.
A 40 lbs sledge? Split some wood while you are at it.
Or me, at least. Because I could be, under some controlled circumstances, be construed as badass.
Like, to most people over the age of retirement, for instance. Fritz, possibly. Not that I’m threatening him, just that he could feel threatened by me.
Apparently nuckase has something or other to do with nucleotides, and it can come out nuCkaSe, so maybe it is cool B Moe, it’s just damned hard to tell.
Not if you like to slather sesame oil over yourself when you’re vacationing on the wife’s dime while your prop kid stays at home, neglected, certain to grow up to be a hater like you.
Outside I go. When I come back in this thread comes down.
Smoke ’em if you got ’em.
Pat’s pride has gotten himself into the position of allowing timb and SEK stroke him gently with scented oils and whisper into his ear.
I wonder when or if Pat will realize how he is being played.
You know, all of this purported sledgehammer-swinging is not only causing me to feel threatened, it’s giving me seriousl feelings of inadequacy.
And now, he’s going to make our comments never have existed. All of those pixels, into the bit bucket.
Are you threatening me? Are you threatening nk?
maybe this is the better place for my jest [meant to follow your exchange in the other thread] then, Slart and Darleen since the deletion will obliterate my shame.
jeez, get a room you two.
(sorry, couldn’t, [but should] resist.)
When an irresistible force meets an immo…oh hey, popcorn!
Smoking causes cancer. Did you hear that? Jeff wants me DEAD!
I’d ban myself if he hadn’t promised to remove the threat when he got back.
“…like tears in the rain.”
(in ref to #35)
What else sucks is that Stashiu is a stand up guy. Who has accepted the accepted narrative. Which, though wrong, hasn’t been dispelled.
Stashiu, along with Dmac and daleyrocks, have declared me horrific.
My question is, where’s the proof? You quoted the line. How in the hell can that be construed as a threat against anyone but me?
He bluffed. I called.
The more I get to know people, the more I like my dog.
It’s easy enough for him to do the work, it isn’t that hard, all he has to do is open his ear-bones.
I’ve told my wife on numerous occasions I sense myself becoming like the later Twain, or Gulliver at the end of his travels.
As the world grows madder and madder, I long for the comfort of a nice horse stall.
Yeah. And there’s still a post up condemning you for the crime of falsely accusing deletion. For which you’ve apologized fully at least twice. But down in the comments. What got closed.
Actually Jeff, the “physical threat” that SEK linked to was your comment:
Not that that makes sense, but that’s what he thought was a threat.
Look at it this way, being slandered by daleycocks is an honor.
That’s precisely as much physical as me typing away at these keys here is. Whoop-t-doo.
#49
So if I’m reading this right, the “threat” was something on the order of “ain’t gonna be no lawyers, we’re a-gonna settle this with trees and ropes at fifty paces.”
…or something. Unless it meant something totally different, like “yeah right, as though I had any intention of taking it that far in the first place.”
It’s awesome that the whole black man-boy-dog thing is being played out in real life. And the sensitive black guy (metaphorically Patterico) is totally flipping out because of his inability to appreciate anything but his own illiterate emotional responses to a random boy (Jeff) calling his dog. (Um, dillo? It’s not a perfect metaphor.)
Bunnies! Or this, which is funny.
I said I’d handle this like I always do, which is to publish the name of the offender. Which, incidentally, I still haven’t done.
And yet, while there are plenty of records of me doing that and none of me physically accosting anyone, and while the tree comment included an allusion to having done I always do (I found his identity), they continue to use SEK’s rationale?
Taken straight from the progressive playbook. And all of them there eating it up.
I guess it didn’t occur to the two lawyers, Pat and nk, that I’d be unlikely to deal with yet another lawyer.
SEK has to be chuckling.
Oh, is knowing your name a hanging offense now?
You bring the rope, I’ll bring the tree.
Did this have to do with Pat’s little dust-up with the Sadly Stupid guys and Pats said they were idiotic for freaking over so righty blogs comment about lefty judges, IIRC? And then Pats found the Sadly Stupid guys selling Cafe Press gear with the same -tree rope – message? (in a vague memory, nutshell type synopsis, of course)
over soME righty blogs
I think it has to do with his being a dishonorable liar, topsecretK9. In my opinion.
Yeah, well, I guess Occum’s Razor can’t be a part of interpretation if’n ya got an agenda.
Is nk still commenting over there?
It’s simply impossible to trust Patterico’s judgment on these matters if nk is still welcome on his blog.
nk started off by saying that he might show up at a future event that he knew Jeff would attend. He then made it very clear that he had extremely strong negative emotions towards Jeff.
Jeff responded that if nk was going to continue to make extremely negative comments about himself with terrible implications about his family, then he would put a public identity to his anonymous comments. Just as he has in the past. Proof of this shared understanding of the back and forth is in the culmination, where the “rope” was Jeff’s continued ability to reveal the person behind the terrible comments and the “victim” was Jeff, the man goaded by abusive comments into revealing that identity.
Patterico immediately mischaracterized this as “death threat”. An absurd conclusion on it’s face and an assertion that he no longer stands behind. Yet he will not publicly retract his mischaracterization with a clear statement.
Jeff continues to be assaulted at Patterico’s, I know that. Is nk, the weirdly suggestive and abusive commenter who caused this problem, still welcome at that forum as well?
That was about Emperor Misha I whose 15 minutes of being the Leader Of The Republican Party are surely coming. Retardo and Friends were lots of fun and they looked so cute with all that egg on thier faces. Good times, that. But it really deosn’t relate to this.
I should have said a little play on it, not to do with it. And I DO NOT for the life of me know why so many cap on a parent of any gender who puts a priority on providing hands on – on site parenting in any way, shape or form by insinuating it’s sitting on ones ass. It’s shameful.
The more I get to know people, the more I like my dog.
Me, I got cats, and they think that 3:30 am is as good a time as any to beg for head scratches, wrassle on top of my feet, or shove their wet, purring noses into my ear. One even expresses her displeasure with who-knows-what-event with excreta.
And they’re still better than most people.
I know this OT, but oh my starts…Obama required a Drive In Movies screen for his talking words to night. Might as well just have Rham use hunky crayola’s and the over-sized post it pad.
English! If it was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me …
Obama required a Drive In Movies screen for his talking words to night.
Yeah, he’s now using a giant Telescreen…er…teleprompter at the back of the room, rather than the smaller ones that sit next to the lectern.
I take it as a sign that the Teleprompter Jesus jibe is gaining traction.
I wonder if Bobby took The Pledge. He could help.
i speek engliss gud!
Heh. Even the freakin’ Associated Press is starting to make fun of the teleprompter to bookend the normal dick-sucking.
The man is screwed, blued, and tattooed.
Ohnoes, a fuckin’ two-bit broke dick part-time professor inflates himself all while pretending he’s huffing and puffing and blowing Barack Obama’s White House down.
Hey faggot, how did that selling at the bottom of the market work out for ya? You sure know a thing or two about Capitalism, yes you do.
C’mon faggot, with your no-risk I can’t compete so I teach job, explain how it is you preach worship of those persons who gladly round house your head then empty your pockets clean.
And you fling poo at those who tell you the truth. No wonder your fate. Cowardice ain’t cheap.
~bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz~
Annoying fly….
I see thor has gone back to the meth pipe.
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 11:56 pm #
Misha. HA!
(HYPOTHETICAL ALERT!!!!)
IF Jeff had wanted to issue a threat, he could have used Misha’s formulation:
“nk. Tree. Rope. Some assembly required.”
What, is thor upset because people are starting to point out that Teleprompter Jesus has no clothes?
Barack Hussein bin Losin is a loser, thor, and you’re a loser for supporting him. He has the stench of FAIL about him, and once that smell arrives on the scene it doesn’t go away.
You and your fellow failbois might as well have big EPIC FAIL tattoos on your foreheads at this point.
But hey, go ahead and insult me if that helps take your mind off it. I’m sure the hot tears of shame will stop in a decade or two.
thor can’t actually defend what Teh One is doing to our country, so he focuses his attention on his oh-so-clever ripostes.
Carin, I think we all know by now that the best arguments for or against anything or anyone involve personal attacks…oh, wait…
Oh, sure. Jeff is rhetorically negating the need for a lawyer. Patterico might just as well have been disappeared from the planet; his entire profession has been dissed.
You know, the thing is: if Jeff were to take exception at anything I’ve written about him, personally, I’d not flinch at meeting him at some mutually acceptable gym and engage in some form of combat. The thing I’d worry more about is meeting him on the street and do some kind of no-rules thing that might tend to get me dead or crippled. Not that I think I could actually take Jeff in the gym, just that for the most part when you fight someone in the gym, you’re not looking to break bones, wreck joints or get that knockout punch in. My school wouldn’t allow that sort of thing, anyway. I’d guess that wherever Jeff goes to do mock-combat, they wouldn’t allow it either.
So for me, it’d be a learning experience. Probably less so for Jeff, because he’s been doing this a lot longer and more dedicatedly than I. No one I know thinks they’re better than absolutely everyone else, so it’s asinine to think that it’s some hugely embarrassing thing to step into the ring with someone else, even just for sparring practice, and lose. It’s even more asinine to take absolutely every offer to meet and spar as some kind of physical threat. I take it more like: here’s a chance for you to work out some of that anger on me, personally. And oh, by the way, there may be some uncomfortable side effects to the engagement, even if they’re substantially less uncomfortable than a street brawl would be.
This is just how I look at it. I could be wrong about all this.
“#Comment by Carin on 3/25 @ 6:47 am #
thor can’t actually defend what Teh One is doing to our country, so he focuses his attention on his oh-so-clever ripostes.”
Oh, please, whore is about as clever as Corky the Retard.
A reliable witness says Corky played “there’s something on your shirt” on thor four times in a row. He could have kept going, but Corky got bored.
Patterico is “one smart cookie” declares Kathleen Parker.
The Kathleen Parker Money quote:
Claiming that Rush could be the poster woman for the “most extreme side of the Republican Party,” Patterico offered herself as the opposite. Bzzzzzt. Give that girl a talk show!
I missed it, the part before the bunnies.
Does anyone read Kathleen Parker? And does anyone really think that Megan McCain is really smart?
oh. You really shouldn’t get me started, ccoffer.
If McCain’s daughter was going around saying how much she loved Palin and Bush then she wouldn’t be on TV in the first place.
Useless is hereditary.
BTW remember that old commercial for Pace Picante Sauce?
“This stuffs made in New York City.”
“New York City!!!!!”
“Get a rope.”
I guess that is now considered a hate crime.
I have been carefully avoiding getting too deep into the weeds here. Generally, I think the “conservatives” who are getting a seat at the popular kid’s lunch table are doing so at the expense of their “brethren”. That said, there is the maxim “Do not argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell the difference”.
I would be inclined to say your piece and just move on.
I thought you said, Engrish? Oops, my bad. I just threatened to kill all of south east Asia. Bad me.
OI – Better Half is scowling at you.
“Useless is hereditary.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Megan McCain is the future of the Republican party. She is a true conservative, with ginormous “eyes”, and nice shoes.
No, no, no. She’s a progressive Republican! Which means she’s really just a Democrat who wants to hold office in a Republican-majority region.
Rob C – Clearly I forgot to include the /sarc tag. Or, I thought the ginormous “eyes” part might give it away.
For some odd reason, I don’t go there anymore. That started before this dustup. I don’t claim prescience, it was more “this isn’t fun anymore.”
Bunnies? Where? They stopped hopping through the yard for some reason, although I’ve still got squirrels. Or lunch and dinner, as I have named them in case it gets really bad.
Carin, I think we all know by now that the best arguments for or against anything or anyone involve personal attacks…oh, wait…
Well, the difference between MY personal attack is that I occasionally address the topic of the post. For me to argue against thorazine, he’d actually have to make a point. But, you know, whatever.
“#Comment by Carin on 3/25 @ 6:47 am #
thor can’t actually defend what Teh One is doing to our country, so he focuses his attention on his oh-so-clever ripostes.â€
Oh, please, whore is about as clever as Corky the Retard.
But O’Brain. I indented part of that. I thought that was interpreted as sarcasm?
Here, let me try again:
thor can’t actually defend what Teh One is doing to our country, so he focuses his attention on his
oh-so-clever ripostes.â€sophomoric, misogynist slurs.Would someone trump up some shit and throw Martha Stuart in jail? That way we might could get this blog out of the ditch.
Bollywood bunnies will save us all.
JD, you know my INTENT was not to harm. Give her my best. Though, that may not be good enough.
Ditch? How so? This has been a fantastic, real word example of all of Jeff’s teachings over the years. Jeff is outlaw, not go along/get along. I just can’t figure how someone can “bring” a tree? An ent, maybe?
Pace Picante Commercial: Take 63
Cowboy1 “I am out of salsa.”
Cowboy2 “Try some of mine” Hands over salsa
Cowboy1 “This stuffs from New York City!”
Cowboys3,4,5″New York City!”
Cowboy1″Get a rope”
Cowboy2 Hold up you racist piece of trash!”
Cowboy1 “What I didn’t write this stuff it is just a commercial”
Cowboy2 “Well having a white cowboy reference a rope while talking to me, an African-American male, is disgusting”
Cowboy3 “Yeah I find that pretty racist too”
Cowboy5 “My parents are from Mexico why the hell do we always have to be eating a taco or salsa on TV that is some stereotypical BS don’t you think?”
Cowboy4 “Leave me out of this my mom’s Chinese”
Cowboy1 “Please do not call me a racist I am not anything of the sort. Hell I did not even write these words the Director did”
Cowboy2 “Shut up you racist redneck hillbilly trash”
Cowboy5 “Yeah stuff it whiteboy”
Director “Cut cut cut”
Cowboy4 “Wait a minute did you just tell me an Asian man to cut?”
Director “No I am saying cut the scene and take it again from the top”
Cowboy4 “Ok cool”
Cowboy2 “I am not working with that racist”
Cowboy1 “Please believe me I am not racist”
Director “Everyone shut up and get back in character. You are all horseriding rednecks deep in the woods thirsting for salsa yet hateful of anyone like you, especially if they are from a big city. Ok ACTION!!!”
Should read not like you at the end. Sorry about the long comment I am just really bored at work it is a slow day.
Mr. Pink,
Now that’s funny. :0)
Mr. Pink brings TEH FUNNAY!
Should read not like you at the end.
Oddly enough, I read it with the “not like you” at the end. I rather imagine that something involving context that’s come up in the ongoing language debate would explain why I did that.
Carin, let me clarify…FWIW, I was agreeing with you, thor ONLY makes personal attacks. My bad. Also, I am including everyone that has been kicking Jeff for days…sorry for poor communication skills.:)
Should I have had the Director ban Cowboy1? It probably would make that comment more in context.
Make him take “sensitivity training”. If that doesn’t work, make him answer a bunch of dull-witted, contrived “hypotheticals”, then refuse to recognize that he’s answered them.
How about the Director bans Cowboy1 from the set because if we do not forcefully denounce such language we have no hope of convincing Cowboys2,3,4,5 to stop calling us racists.
I’ve waited some days to comment on this, because I like to know what I’m talking about before I give my opinion:
eeee…eeee…uh..uh…..it’s…….eeee…eeee…uh…uh
I comment here reluctantly. This is one of the few blogs that intimidates me. I usually feel like a precocious 10 year old trying to join in on an adult conversation, piping up when I hear something that I think I understand. Jeff has always patted me on the head, sweetly, but I’m never confident that I’ve actually added any new ideas to the discussion. I’m self educated, which is great in some ways, but I wish I could have had some guidance. I read Eco’s _The Name of the Rose_ because it looked interesting, but without the biographical context. I knew it was more than a murder mystery, but I was coming into the middle of a conversation without the benefit of knowing what ideas had already been hashed over.
While I might not be familiar with the terminology, I’m surprised that so many people have reacted so… violently… to your argument about Limbaugh. I may not understand the philosophical terminology, but I know what theft is, and it’s no more acceptable to me to steal another person’s words and ideas than it is to steal their car. In fact, I give the higher moral ground to the car thief, as the idea thieves do more harm.
Limbaugh’s words were stolen, twisted and mangled, then hung around his neck like a noose. How can that be anything but evil? (Whether or not he gained materially from the attacks, in the end, has no bearing on the the morality of the attackers – it only speaks to their incompetence.)
From my view on the periphery, Patterico did the same to Jeff.
Too much common sense Rebecca. Needs more emotion. Try a couple F-bombs.
Rebecca, Jeff lets me comment here and I am as dumb as shit. Please comment more often, but as Al says, please pepper your comments with some expletives from time to time. Outlaw and all.
I like marshmallows
Rebecca, people here are pretty reasonable and accepting. I’m clumsy with words, while you certainly are not, but occasionally I get the nerve to say something. The whole situation at Patterico has been shocking, to say the least. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I like RedBaron microwave pizzas. They come in two packs and I double fist them.
Carin, let me clarify…FWIW, I was agreeing with you, thor ONLY makes personal attacks. My bad. Also, I am including everyone that has been kicking Jeff for days…sorry for poor communication skills.:)
Well, then. No problemo. I always feel a tad dirty (not in a good way) when I respond at thor, and that may have interfered with how I interpreted your little squiggles.
Rebecca and Lyndsey – Jeff G allows me to comment here, and I am dummerer than a truckload of parsnips.
OI is right, though does a dis-service shit in his comparison. ;-)
How embarrassed must Patterico be to be found solidly in the Barney Frank camp of interpretation, at least as regards Frank’s gloss on Scalia’s Lawrence v Texas dissent? Not embarrassed at all, we can guess, if he sticks close to Frank’s methods.
HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!
Butoni Instant Pizzas were the best ever. Toaster ready and delicious.
Their problem? When they said “brown them in the toaster” they were accused of being racist so they said, “Lighten up”, they were accused ob making a death threat.
So now, I have to eat Red Baron microwave pizzas. Microwaving bread should be a hanging offence.
Oh crap, another death threat.
Don’t worry, I’ll ban myself.
Well if that is true Veeshir someone needs to freakin sue Pace Picante.
I’m up for a class-action suit against them.
after all, they make a tasty salsa that millions enjoy and they should never be forgiven for that.
Sounds to me like both of you are tying to get a job in the psychology department at the University of Arizona.
Looks to me like you are a moron, Huey.
Like happyfeet, I missed the part before the bunnies (presuming that Jeff simply changed the title rather than delete the post). Can we get a hint?
Prompted by Pablo at #26, I went to read the last part of Patterico’s closed “death threat” dog ‘n Black Man pony show. An update says that he will never re-open it, even if he turns out wrong.
I found a couple of things in there that I haven’t seen brought up on this side (I’ve been following the main threads on this at pw, not at pat’s).
Mr. Frey seems to intentionally misunderstand things – even the most fawning example of adoration, composed as a formal resolution full of whereas’s and a climax of hereby resolved that Patterico’s the Greatest! His immediate suspicion was that the kneeling serf (Bradley Fikes) was in fact raising a toast to his very detractors! [Bradley was so ashamed of being misinterpreted.]
I’ve been wondering whether this kind of intentional misunderstanding might be better called “disunderstanding.” If that’s not a word, it should be.
Patterico expresses himself poorly a lot. In that thread, he insinuated a victim mentality on Jeff (responding to lies about his family), played it up as a possible scam to get sympathy and riches based on an invented attack on Jeff’s family.
Then he says, “But I don’t think that happened.” What, that Jeff “pretended” his family was being smeared? Or that nk actually lied badly about Jeff and family? Either? Both?
He just seems intentionally dense a lot of the time. How about this one? After waxing facetiously on his insane liarhood of bad faith, he goes, “But let’s pretend that we thought I was a good man, so we can pretend to be disappointed I’m not.”
What could that even mean?
The “issuing threats” thing was ridiculous. A classic case of disunderstanding, if that word means what it feels like it should mean. How could “I’ll bring the tree” be interpreted that way? No, the rope was introduced metaphorically by nk himself, earlier.
Pat had offered to ban Jeff for issuing threats, but nk demurred. “Give ‘im more rope,” he bellowed.
Jeff could have offered to build the gallows instead. Would that have been a threat, too? Just because Jeff is all into that he-man stuff, swinging massive hammers and all, he offered to bring the tree. Completely in character, it is!
Patterico better f#%&’n apologize over this one, is all I can say. One doesn’t go around claiming that a rival has made death threats against one’s own minion, on outrageous interpretations like this. Particularly if the minion is the one who started it all, the jerky jerkface.
I hadn’t been to Pat’s site for years, but he’s been on my blogroll forever. It felt really nice yesterday, after following the story thus far (I’m in Bangkok, it’s already tomorrow here), to go into my template and delete that sucker.
Now, what what that headline again, before the bunnies?
Disunderstanding ought to be a word, Agam, a nice coinage in any case. See this comment-within-a-comment for the source of the impetus for the original post. Something about fictional truths.
Evil isn’t necessary, but it helps.
Still. Patterico has a peculiar problem with language that I suspect is at least partially biologically based and which has contributed to a lot of bullying and mocking of him when pity and patronization are more what he deserves.
People keep asking how he could have sincerely formed certain ideas, or said that he must be insincere in his concern about threats or in his arguments.
The thing is, Patterico has a problem interpreting metaphoric language.
If you have carried on conversation with him you may have run into this bug in his language processing. He is a very literal person, and he frequently interprets metaphoric language in peculiar ways – sometimes with hilarious results, as in a literal interpretation of a metaphor; and sometimes just decoding it incorrectly. He often confuses or takes literally something meant figuratively, or just misses the allusion or misinterprets the figurative reference.
I’m not surprised at him for not “getting” the rope/tree thing, its a typical error of his.
Similarly, I’m not surprised that he got stuck on the proposition that an insult meant primarily to hurt Jeff (NK’s unseemly remarks) was not a constructive attack upon Jeff’s family. I think he really believes that in order for that to be the case, NK would have had to say “Jeff’s wife is a stupid fool” and “Jeff’s child is just a commodity and unloved” in order for Patterico to understand that the family was attacked. Notice how he cannot get over his indignation at the “overstatement” of Nk’s wrong.
He can also not broaden in his mind the definition of family – he’s stuck on the notion that “family” means specific third parties in Jeff’s family, and not the “family” in the broader sense of “style of family” or the way the family unit operates. NK did mock Jeff’s “family” in the sense of the way Jeff’s family is constituted.
Patterico is very “sticky” like this. Over the years I’ve seen him do it over and over and over and over. He takes a metaphor literally. He misunderstands referants, not quite grasping who is who in a metaphorical statement. He can’t let go of an initial misunderstanding of meaning. He is concrete, a little plodding at times. It’s almost funny how often nuanced jokes fly over his head.
He’s not without any sense of humor, quite the contrary. but there is a stiffness and rigidity to his thinking. I willingly, because of what I have observed about his thinking errors, cut him some slack in regards to his evil intentions (which is not the same as letting him off the hook for being wrong.) No wonder he has sympathy for the possibility of words being taken the wrong way by “reasonable persons”.
Well nailed there, disguised.
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Jeff, I’ve seen it claimed that you weren’t banned at Patterico’s, is that true?
If you haven’t been banned, could you correct the record so I don’t look like a fool when I say you were?
Yes, I was banned for issuing a death threat. Or later, a threat of violence. And now, so that I wouldn’t issue a threat of violence. Which is the same as having done so.
Patrick Frey has no honor. In my opinion.
I would kill someone for banning me for issuing a death threat!
Ok, I looked. Fucking curiosity. Now you are intent on driving Patterico off the internet altogether, intent on driving away his readers. (Ha!)
Tongue firmly in cheek, please don’t, such readers are best off just where they’ve chosen to be.
I’m so devious. If it ain’t for the money or the vacation time or the sheer joy of knocking my wife up and having a kid under false pretenses (I don’t love them; I just use them as props for my “lifestyle”), I’m spending my time trying to destroy reputations and drive people into permanent silence!
Busy busy busy!
“Patrick Frey has no honor. In my opinion.”
Thanks for the shoutout, Jeff.
If anyone needs my services let me know;
I could use the work.