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Hey, they’ve been doing yeoman’s work for our president for years. Now they want their cut. It sounds reasonable to me. The Chicago way, baybee.
OUTLAW!!
Jeff G. you work cheaper (far cheaper) and do far better work than any of the socialists and communists at the Nation. If they are going to spread the wealth around, why not some to you?
If, Joe? Do you think Goldstein has so little self respect?
I’d be onboard if it worked like Ag subsidies. I’d shell out money for Nation writers to leave their computer screens blank.
No, think of it as Fascism, plain and simple.
Allah addresses Jeff.
And Sdeff, it was a rhetorical comment. Do you think in a million years the Obama administration and the Dem congress would send Jeff money? Now The Nation or Mother Jones? The Dems might actually do that. That is the sick part.
Eh. The royal stenographers are demanding their pay.
Or, to put it another way, we know what they are, now we’re just haggling over their price.
Mailbox journalism!
You’re my kind of guy, Abe.
On the other hand, Guns&Ammo seems to be doing fine.
(No, I don’t know how to do italics without a majick button)
Sure it was a rhetorical comment Joe. Believe it or not, I can read. I can also draw inferences from hypotheticals. And the inference I draw from yours tells me you are a moron.
Well, since most of the MSM essentially work for the lefty Democrats anyway, and the government is currently controlled by that same group, I wouldn’t be too surprised if this kind of overt fascism came to pass…
I wouldn’t like it nor think we should suffer it; I just wouldn’t be shocked…
Heck, just rename them all as sunsidiaries of Obama/Pravda, which is what they are anyway, and let them go about their usual propagandistic business…
Maybe then, at least, some of the rank and file folks across the nation will realize that the MSM truly is the propaganda arm of the left, and essentially the Democratic spin machine…
Sdferr, what the fuck is wrong with you? You read things like the left does, without geting the intent. Of course Jeff is not going to take public bailout money for Protein Wisdom and it would never ever be offered. The outrage is the left are serious about giving public money to left wing rags like The Nation.
Address this comment by Allah instead: Exit question: One of Jeff Goldstein’s points in his debate with Patterico over Rush Limbaugh is that it’s a grave mistake for conservatives to play by the left’s rhetorical rules. Isn’t that what we’re doing by beating up on The One for a very mildly politically incorrect joke, though?
Of course, after realizing that the one! is just not that into them, they may all start changing their tunes abit…
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/20/hey-media-obamas-just-not-that-into-you/
Check it out, the irony meter goes off the scale with this bunch nearly as much as the hypocrisy meter…
The whole purpose of this thread Sdferr is how the left is throwing public money around now to propt up their own fucked up left wing propaganda machine. My joke may have sucked, but it was obviously not said seriously. Really stop being a moron yourself.
Pop quiz: what’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and Barrack Obama?
Let me apologize to you Joe for being so harsh. I shouldn’t have done.
It just seems to me that even if only rhetorically put, the question “why not some to you” in the context of “If they are going to spread the wealth around” on this blog, with its longstanding political position, is, in effect useless, pointless and at the margin, can be read as insulting. The obvious answer to “why not?” is the blog in sum. So I’d ask, “why ask?”, that’s all.
My response to Allah.
As if Allah cares, Jeff — he just got another chance to dump on Palin!
Maybe I’ll ask Michelle M if she wants me to write another response piece — particularly now that Allah has invoked my arguments to try to prevent the outrage some people are experiencing.
In a way he has a point: if we don’t think Obama meant to take a stab at special needs kids, we shouldn’t ascribe our outrage to him. But the fact is, the joke doesn’t work without a slap a the differently abled; so while Obama may not have realized what he was doing, there’s plenty to go after him for here, and all of it is deserved.
Does allah just not get it? It’s not the joke. Hell, I just called two of my co-workers retards. Ha, who cares. It’s the double standard of the press and of O!bambi himself.
As for The Nation, I love the line about, “only a nihilist…blah…blah…blah”. Ah, no. I’d agree in regards to national defense, but education? We are so fucking miles apart on this stuff, there will never be a reconciliation, nor should there be.
I know that Joe was joking, but the bottom line is what seperates Jeff from the shitstains at The Nation. And that bottom line is that Jeff values freedom.
Okay. Emailed Michelle to see if she wants a response piece.
If Allah is going to try to use intentionalism to warn off outrage, he’s not doing my argument justice.
As with the Rush kerfuffle, I think that Allah just doesn’t get it. Your response, btw, was perfect. Going for the peaty stuff, tonight, I think. 16 year old Lagavulin. Expensive? Yes, but I kept the last bottle for a good year.
Of course Jeff values freedom. It was a joke, not serious or in any way intended to be treated as true. Jeff didn’t have any problems putting a boot in Roger Simon’s ass. If Jeff was some whore would he have done that? It was a joke (which ironically ties back to Roger Simon’s star correspondent Joe the Plumber) about spreading the wealth around and how that is now playing out with failing left wing rags asking Obama for money.
The issue with Obama’s stupid “retard” joke (which it was) was it shows the hypocrisy of the left in going faux outrage when Republicans or conservatives say something stupid and giving those on the left a complete pass. If Obama was not President, and was in some high position and said this, being on the left the first step would be to hope it was ignored, the next step would be sending Obama to “treatment” and some clinic to address his lack of sensitivity.
It looks so weird there. The shape of it.
This. The recent leakage of his “beta” persona into how he regards his function as a commentator has made him shitty like that.
Nope. Only to pre-emptively mock it from a transparently put-on (because only that signals knowingness in the world he pines for) perspective that he won’t be seen lowering himself to understand, or will persist ever more snidely in pretending not to understand (in variations of the “Shorter Goldstein: [stupid shit]” form), because of whose it isn’t.
That column in “The Nation” that is the origin for this is just ripe for a fisking.
Moore and Hersh held out as exemplars of the kind of “Journalism” that will bring them back to the glory days of the 1960’s.
I so love it when the Left talks about “enlightened policies”, makes me shiver with “Smart Power”. A truly amazing thing to read.
And Jeff’s response to Allah is spot on. What does Allah do, goes after Sarah Palin who has the audacity to defend special needs kids. Memo to Allah, I am not outraged by Obama’s joke (other than Obama being so hamfisted and hypocritical), but Sarah Palin has a special needs kid so yeah, she is probably going to comment on it. Just like Andrew Sullivan comments everytime someone famous says something about gays. While I suppose Palin could have reacted in a variety of ways to Obama’s stupid comment, I do not think Sarah Palin needs to give Obama a pass for his fuck up.
Can we back up a couple of stages and muse on the antecedents of this story for a minute or two? (I wish happyfeet was here right now to put in his two cents on the question.)
When Obama went bowling in Pa. back during the campaign, 1) what were he and his handlers thinking?, (I mean that seriously, not in the jokey sense that they knew beforehand that his performance would be a disaster, if it was, but what were they trying to get out of the appearance?), 2) what was the reaction of Obama’s team to the uncoordinated image his performance created? (Were they backslapping and high fiveing, or were they slapping their foreheads in pain asking themselves “What were we thinking!?”), 3) How has his image been helped or hurt by their choices going forward? (I mean, this was one of the very few times he was seen as an incompetent or an utter dork, the only other that comes to mind being the bicycle ride. How did they choose to use what had become a fait accomplis? How else to explain that it would even come up in the Leno interview?), 4)There’s more to the history of this episode I’m not remembering, so if you’ve got something, please put it out there. For now, I’m just trying to recollect the actions as they fell out, only then to see where they lead, if anywhere.
Allah, Give Palin a pass. I mean if you have had to go through six months of Andrew Sullivan obessing over your ueterus and “Trig trutherism” for blatently partisan purposes to help Obama get elected, you might be a bit sensitive too.
Likely.
But that’s not the way I’m going to sell it. I’m just going to presume good faith. In so doing, think of how that changes the way my response is likely to read.
Well, without wading into the middle of the Allah/Jeff thing, most of which is far above my ken anyway, I think that Obama’s sin is that he exposed the liberal mindset. Anyone who has been forced to spend time among the liberal intelligentsia (my wife worked at a university) knows that they are the most racist, hateful people you’ll ever meet. It’s as if they continually go through this internal argument, wherein they know how much they resent people who aren’t as good/smart/rich as they are, and therefore they are required to “look after†the lumpen proletariat. Yet, in the looking after, they feel soooo much better about themselves, that it almost takes away the hatred they feel. Almost.
Yet, in the looking after, they feel soooo much better about themselves, that it almost takes away the hatred they feel. Almost.
Actually, they’re more likely to feel contempt for those who need their help. “Caring about the poor” is a beard, as it were, to hide the fact that they’re shallow materialists and irredeemable elitists.
The only way I can figure this is: it must be okay for Obama to make jokes about retards the same way it is okay for him to make jokes about blacks.
I mean, if he would have said “nappy head Special Olympics” it would have been a lot clearer.
God, I just ate 129 bites of watermelon. It was like a picnic in Selma. (laughter…applause)
my bowling scores in no way match my columbia grades
“Isn’t that what we’re doing by beating up on The One for a very mildly politically incorrect joke, though?”
I thought we were beating up on him for having no class.
i think allahpundit is an affirmative action hire. too stupid to be anything else
I men, let’s face it. I can make fun of retards all I want, I didn’t get 52 million of them to vote for me. If he wants to insult his base, fine, but he should expect to get called out on it.
i think a remake of Blazing Saddles with the sheriff using a teleprompter might be fun
But O! is more “The Guv” type.
sorry ot
but this allahpundit he hits on beck for ramos and campy and then sites andy ” hey we fed prosecuters are a “club”” mccarthy who was a fan of fitzgorilla in the libby case then became fitzteddybear in chitown. these law lobbyists congeal nicely
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@41
yea defend johnny sutton’s actions too
Iowahawk posts Barry’s letters to concerned Special Olympic parents.
I wounder if Allah will chastise Iowahawk too?
Jeff;
WTF with Allah–he is David Frum redux now (Patterico, too. . . ). I’d kill for more of his Kerry stuff from 2004, but alas, those of us “neo-” or “social-” cons no longer have enough “je ne sais quois” for his NE non-leftist (read: paleo-conservative) viewpoint. McCain, Brooks, P, AP, Colin “HN” Powell’s former COS (Wilkerson?), can go suck on the Obamessiah’s teat.
Willing to help with a Conservative or Classical Liberal party. I really doubt that those of us conservatives have a strong desire to deny actual rights to those with “alternative” lifestyles (help me here, Gay Patriot). But as long as we give our real liberties and definitions of English to the left, we are ALL F%^&k’ed.
Thanks.
Now, back to the family. . . . .
Left Hypocrisy In Action.
Between Allahpundit on one side and Andrew Sullivan on the other, Palin is really getting tag teamed.
with allahpundit “no values no principles” asshat aetheist
I don’t think Obama has to strictly intend to insult SO people in order to be culpable on a very personal level – in a way which an apology will not erase. Imo, the status of SO people as thoroughly inferior is simply a given or fact of life in Obama’s elitist, liberal/progressive world and that’s that. Why take offense at “facts”?
I’ve watched SNL recently just to check up on what kind of thing these elites think is humorous and have been struck as to how much of it is simply making fun of people’s physical defects – the Gov. of New York – or else simply presenting disparaging progressive stereotypes as allegedly humorous – such as the people of “Appalachia”.
Same problem. Is their humor intentionally disparaging or is it only “factual”?
Also, I think such authors are aware of the problem, but have managed to project it off onto everyone else, making themselves believe that they can’t possibly intend harm. Do people who operate on the level of deranged infants ever think they intend harm?
Barack Obama isn’t a white devil.
Rush wasn’t elected to be president. So he can be an ass at large, while Obama needs to be the ass in chief.
FTFY
Half-white devil
As a commenter at the Denver Post this morning noted — before the whole Special Olympics story was stuffed down the memory hole: This must be particularly galling for the left because if it weren’t for the god botherers like Palin these defectives would all be aborted and there wouldn’t be anyone to be offended.
My own take: This country would save a hell of a lot of money on Air Force One, the security detail, etc., and come off looking better, if Obama stayed home and worked on his bowling score while a flunky took the teleprompter to these affairs. He could fly coach and probably wouldn’t go off-script.
‘Course, if someone assassinates that teleprompter we’re in deep shit..
Pablo, funny!
No doubt there are teleprompter doubles. Heck, are we even sure the real TOTUS has been making the latest appearances?
Sheeeit, The Nation ain’t got it right since they pimped for Mussolini…
Me I just think allah person confuses “the left” with our george soros asswipe presidential dipshit. There is no wrong way to mock barack ofuckingbama I don’t think.
Oh. hi sdferr! I am in the car starting my way home and that last is best I can do on berry. I get carsick if I do this too long. What are not very tasty are sonic breakfast burritos. They put tots in them. Go away with your tots in my breakfast burrito.
I am so over the tots in my sonic breakfast burrito and also I am kind of way over the blahllah person. Me I think Cap’n Ed has been carrying blahllah for some time now. I know I know blahllah was the awesomest one in like Madonna’s True Blue period but blahllah never reinvented himself like she did. What needs to be reinvented is blahllah and sonic breakfast burritos I think.
I’m proud to say I’ve never had a “breakfast” burrito in my life. If I want scrambled eggs and sausage that’s what I’ll get. Otherwise, give me a damn burrito with the beef and cheese and onions and spices like God intended.
It’s a south texas thing but in south texas they’re called taquitos a lot. In California they call them breakfast burritos and at chains like Sonic but not whataburger.
This actually sums up things pretty well
More scenes, you know you want them…
Patterico is misunderstood…
We live in a world full of pussies, dicks and assholes…
The woman who used a Down Syndrome infant as a campaign prop attacks a presidential joke:
If I every met Sully face to face, this has now got to be in the top five reasons to slap his face.
Because Palin treated Trig as would any woman with a new baby would … taking it with her and allowing to be photographed with him, but that he was a DS baby, horrified the eugenics crowd. And that’s what it comes down to.
Darleen, Sullivan is an asshole. Ever since he almost lost his job at The Atlantic over his Trig Trutherism jihad he has sworn to destroy her. It is pathological and sick.
Ever since he almost lost his job at The Atlantic over his Trig Trutherism jihad he has sworn to destroy her.
I think you got that a little backwards, Joe. Agree with everything else.
B Moe, the Trig Trutherism started earlier, but it was more over the top partisan attacks to help Obama, but it became a permanent character flaw for him after he almost got fired. Sullivan is almost as obessed with Palin as Allah is!
Is this the style known as stream of unconsciousness, or some drug? Sites is not a synonym for cites, and there is a reason for capitalization.
More college and high school LPFM radio sounds fun. Call it ‘charter radios’ or ‘frequency vouchers’ and we’ll get the right wing on board.
Router might could be mobile. Also router is nice. Often also he is funny. Also he links stuff what I did not know.
meya
What are you doing here? I thought you’d be out with the OFA knocking on doors today to “card check” citizens into signing Obama pledges.
“What are you doing here? I thought you’d be out with the OFA knocking on doors today to “card check†citizens into signing Obama pledges.”
On my day off from my job building camps for glenn beck? Please. Knocking on doors is for amateurs.
You mean that as a joke, but when the First Amendment is abridged in the name of community standards and market share equity, it’s exactly what will happen.
Comment on Althouse’s Jeff Post
Re: #27
My take on this would also apply to the Kerry campaign.
In the bowling thing, this was one of the “anointed” doing his imitation of the “common man”. As with Kerry and the Philly Cheesesteak and going hunting, he played out what his stereotype of the hoi polloi is, thinking it would be seen as reaching out to them. It’s the old Democrat politics of going to every group and partaking of their “culture” to show you are one of them, at heart. The bike thing was a reach out to the Yuppies.
These type of things worked back in the day when only local media covered events like this and the candidates were actually, and emotionally, closer to the various ethnic groups they were appealing/pandering to for votes.
They would tell each group exactly what they wanted to hear, even if it would be insulting to another group, since each would only hear the message aimed at them and not the other ones. That doesn’t work out so well now either, see “clinging to their God and guns” etc.
The Democrats playbook is based on doing that, as they have done going back to Tammany Hall days. Without complete control of all media it won’t work well. It’s one of their biggest weaknesses, having to get support from groups that do not want the same things. Doublethink is needed.
Sorry wrong block quote, it should have been.
Another Althouse comment quote
These are comments on Althouse, not Althouse herself. And I am not agreeing with them (although I do agree with the Instapundit part of the comment).
Lonewackodotcom’s Manifesto for Change and Resistance in the Age of Obama I do not disagree that blogs and comments (albeit small) can have some influence. But isn’t that exactly what Jeff is doing with Protein Wisdom?
Why post this here? Am I supposed to care?
People are free to take me or leave me.
Ever more typical of Patterico, he characterizes my “approach” thusly: “I stand by my position that Jeff is wrong as a matter of his approach. We need not walk on eggshells to avoid offending those who will take offense no matter what we say. But we can’t use that as an excuse to say to hell with everyone who isn’t already rabidly committed to our side.”
Then he doesn’t allow comments.
This is not my approach, as anybody who understands my argument knows (I’ve maintained Pat doesn’t; this seems to prove it). Not playing the left’s game doesn’t give us license to say whatever we want whenever we want in whatever way we want. Or rather, it does, but we can’t expect to do so without there being consequences. Knowing your audience and using media savvy is certainly one part of the equation. And we can do that without conceding anything to faulty understandings of how language works — and how language works is a lesson we should be actively seeking to disseminate.
Rush Limbaugh’s statements — which prompted the left to take him out of context (he invited that, so he was aware that they almost certainly would), and some “realists” on the right to quake in fear of how the “moderates” would react to that intentional, re-contextualized mischaracterization of Limbaugh’s argument (and he made an argument, not just offered up four words in a vacuum), resulting in strained arguments about how we need to be more “precise” in what we say — perhaps achieved exactly what he hoped they’d achieve, which would suggest that he was as “precise” as he wanted to be, the result of which was to bait the media, the left, the White House, and the McCainian pragmatists on the right out into the open, where they could be shown either as opportunists or linguistic cowards.
They have prompted a debate about how conservatives should be operating in a political climate now completely controlled by Democrats.
I happen to think that a good thing. And what I’ve learned is that there are conservatives who are more concerned about being right and protecting their place within the GOP’s good graces than they are with fighting back against a corrupt press and an incoherent view of language that has allowed progressives to take control of the rhetorical battlefield, the result being to put conservatives always on the defensive, or to demonize them in advance, rendering their subsequent statements illegitimate or in some way tainted, knowingly or by some sort of magical ontological inscribing, by the “code words” that bespeak their overt, hidden, or unconscious hate.
Patterico doesn’t agree with my approach because he has never understood it. And even as some people want to take me to task for being a whiner who does nothing to help conservatism, I’ll continue to fight the battle on this front, because to me, it is the foundation on which all battles are fought — and without a retaking of that battlefield, the skirmishes that break out on the terrain won’t much matter, because in the long run, the objective of the left is simply to push us all into the sea.
That’s one way to get the last word, I guess.
Jeff, it links back to Althouse which links to your post about her. Which is why I posted it here. And to be clear, none of these are Althouse comments, just a few individuals at her site.
You should certainly not care about the substance of their comments. The intent (of me) of links are only to show the commentators for what they are. You will know they are jerk offs by their posts.
I took my seven year old son snowmobiling for a weekend. A guys weekend. Some boys. My kid was the youngest. Lots of riding, followed by bottle of Black Velvet and beers around the fire. After I came back from a run he told me some of the adults threw him in a snow drift. Apparently he was stuffing snow down their necks and they told him that if he didn’t stop he was going to end up in a snow drift…well you know how that ended up.
I told him that he had the freedom to do whatever he wanted, but that every choice he made had consequences. At seven he stopped whining about being thrown in the snow drift and got it. Maybe Patterico needs to be thrown in a snow drift.
Joe is kind of an instigator I think. And a bit needy.
Needy no. Instigator, yeah I am an instigator. But I am straight up about that.
But we can’t use that as an excuse to say to hell with everyone who isn’t already rabidly committed to our side.â€
Patterico really should cut back on the straw in his diet.
If this is to be a metaphor argument, eggshells et al.
The left is laying down a field of broken glass and hot coals. We are asked to crawl through it on hands an knees to get approval from those on the sidelines, rather than lacing up the hobnailed, steel toed, shitkicker boots and striding right through to kick their ass right proper. YMMV
Well-put, geoff.
If you allow your opponent to set the rules, you’ve already lost.
Especially when your opponents are mendacious evil fucks.
There will be no throwing of the Mr. Patterico into the snowbank I don’t think. I kind of read his thingy. What’s kooky is the stuff he says about our sad little hungarian catspaw piece of shit president is apt enough but he seems more unamused by it than scared. Me I’m terrified.
Terrified.
geoffb, you’ve got it pretty much nailed at 76. It’s was a schauspiel and the Leno appearance and in particular the question on bowling is merely a continuation of the same. In Pa. Obama was already scrambling to put his Kinsley gaffe in San Fran behind him, pressing to gain the voters conventionally attributed to Mrs. Clinton (why her I never understood). He is still at it. And in order to succeed in hiding who he is, he will have to stay “at it” as long as he is on the stage.
That’s why he has to have a Teleprompter. It takes a lot of time and people to check all the “backstory” and keep the new lines in some kind of agreement with the old ones and new reality. He must be hiring speech writers from the daytime soaps. They have experience in this.
Joe is a “pea-brained” idiot.
This is apparent because he is linking to a “LoneWacko” comment on one of the 37 blogs that knows “Chris Kelly” is an abject moron.
Joe– Go to his blog and ask him a simple question…. Why hasn’t “Chris Kelly” ever videotaped himself asking a politcian about illegal immigration?
I sure it would be powerful.
Why, Joe, why?
Why Joe! Why?
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This is why we lose, people.
Eat me.
Point six.
“You mean that as a joke, but when the First Amendment is abridged in the name of community standards and market share equity, it’s exactly what will happen.”
On the radio its already abridged in the name of decency, not to mention piracy.
On the radio its already abridged in the name of decency, not to mention piracy.
Uh…no. SCOTUS has ruled obscenity is not protected speech. Piracy is about protecting property rights (just like evicting squatters from your home).
good lord, meya, your stupidty … real or feigned … is tiresome.
This is the artist formerly known as Lonewackodotcom here. The blog-related part of my “Manifesto for Change and Resistance” (not my title) involves opposition blogs, such as the three times I urged and failed to get FReepers to sign up for Swampland in order to discredit Joe Klein et al. That would have been very worthwhile since Time has about 10 million subscribers, but apparently it was too much to ask.
However, the most important part of my “manifesto” by far is this:
http://24ahead.com/s/question-authority
I want people to grill politicians on video and then upload the exchange to Youtube. Aside from Malkin a couple times and maybe one or two other sites, I have yet to see anyone else pushing such a devastatingly effective plan. Instead, they do things like organize “parties” and then whine about the MSM ignoring them. And, when I posted similiar proposals in comments here before the election, it didn’t exactly go over so well. Needless to say, grilling BHO on video could have had a very serious impact on the election results.