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An Appalachian Trail to the 21st century.
Maybe this will give you a little comfort.
If the stimulus can be blocked or at least modified on constitutional grounds, perhaps the grand socialism of Obama and the Democrat Party can be stalled a bit?
Can’t wait to hear the screeching from Barky’s Kiddie Koolaid Kult when they start getting drafted.
You asked for it, kids.
Ah, the return of the corps.
Pheeuww. Just in time to bury the corpse.
Talk about debasing language. When you receive cash and funds for college in exchange for government activism, how does that make you a “volunteer?” I thought that it made you an “employee” of government. I guess I’m a holy altruist, because when I work, I do it faithfully. And I get paid too, but that seems to be a mere detail. I’m a “volunteer!”
Remember folks, this is a soft tyranny. Barry Hussein O’Guiltwhite won’t have to “draft” anyone or physically compel a citizen to “volunteer.” He’ll just establish a situation where if you want someone else to pay for your college and some pocket cash, all you have to do is sign up. No qualifications necessary, nothing much expected except doing whatever you’re assigned… because of Teh Social Justice!
So while you’re recruiting people to vote Democrat, you can pat yourself on the back for being moral. Sure beats driving a UPS delivery truck, or flipping tofu burgers at McYahoo’s. It’s never been so easy, in all of recorded history, to buy off a man’s independence. The future of humanity won’t look like some science fiction movie’s utopia. It will look like an ant colony.
“If the stimulus can be blocked or at least modified on constitutional grounds, perhaps the grand socialism of Obama and the Democrat Party can be stalled a bit?”
I’ve seen that problem before. To me it seems there is one interpretation of this part of the stimulus which does not cause constitutional problems, and which may just be the one that congress intended. I see the condition as one conditioning the provision of money. The state still has to use whatever normal process it uses to receive and spend money, but it has to go through this extra process — a necessary but not sufficient one, to have the money provided. Thus a governor could accept the money and veto any bills their legislature passes enacting the spending, or a governor could refuse to accept the money, and still sign bills that do accept the money. In this way normal state separation of powers still takes place, but this extra hurdle is created which is intended to create political difficulties for opponents of stimulus. The intent of the section is to put governors on record as being pro or anti-stimulus, and to set them apart from their legislatures.
So what happens to people who renege on the deal?
Where do I apply for the Funny Hat concession? Surely all these new government organizations will need funny hats and I’ve got a great design: It’s simple, conical in shape, and will give people the correct impression of those signing up for these programs..
“So what happens to people who renege on the deal?”
Federales burn their cities down.
HOw out of touch are these folks? George Miller, D-Calif:
“This bill is going to the president’s desk because he’s absolutely captured the imagination of America to create a new generation of volunteers to expand the opportunities for volunteers from middle school to retired,†Miller said.
So what color is the Constitution in your world, meya?
“National Civilian Community Corps†… with uniforms?
WTF?
“So what happens to people who renege on the deal?”
They don’t gain entry into Hell.
Carin,
I do like how the good Rep Miller believes a bill is necessary – if “he’s absolutely captured the imagination of America to create a new generation of volunteers” – wouldn’t they, um, go out and volunteer?
Remember, in Obamaworld volunteers are paid.
– if “he’s absolutely captured the imagination of America to create a new generation of volunteers†– wouldn’t they, um, go out and volunteer?
You mean like for free or something? Are you tripping?
Maybe they can issue uniforms to those of us who won’t be participating in the “volunteer” service.
Some of us can wear pink triangles, some of us can wear yellow Stars of David… we’ll just be a big ol’ multiculti box of Lucky Charms. Magically delicious!
This is an AmeriCorps on steroids, basically. Clinton established them first, then Bush did more with his version [I forget the name – USACorps?] anyway, there’s usually 3 sections to them, one specifically for the elderly.
There’s little money behind it, mostly because its considered to be like a domestic Peace Corps and its done for networking and experience. Mostly they post AmeriCorps people in any non-profit that applies for one to work there. I run into a lot of them through my health dept. work. Many are at gay rights places, neighborhood associations, food banks, etc.
The best paid folks are the organisers, of course. I’ve a friend who is a regional coordinator for AmeriCorps and I’ll bet he’ll be pretty excited about this development.
Oh – random bits.
There are no uniforms issued for AmeriCorps ‘volunteers’ [really, interns is more the word] but there is a slew of branded gear, from keychains and backpacks to hats and rainjackets.
The folks from AmeriCorps are generally very antagonistic towards Bush’s USACorps folks [I don’t know if that goes both ways]. Ironically, the AmeriCorps folks were absolutely convinced that the USACorps was a stealth brownshirt operation.
And so it goes. That wasn’t true in either case before, though one could argue the morality of establishing the prior organisations. This version is a different beastie and it appears that these Corps are the newest toy in the box, so eventually I think they will get out of hand [if not now].
Mr. Orwell, the future of humanity would only look like an ant colony if collectivism actually led to efficiency and hard work. Think of it as the “Fraggle Rock” delusion.
The opposite is true. The Doozers should be ruling the caves, not the other way around.
I do like how the good Rep Miller believes a bill is necessary – if “he’s absolutely captured the imagination of America to create a new generation of volunteers†– wouldn’t they, um, go out and volunteer?
That’s just kookie-talk.
urthshu —
Have you looked at the language of the bill? Some of it is frigthening — and substantially different from AmeriCorps. At least, to my cursory reading.
I may be wrong.
I’m waiting for the ned of the World.
I skimmed it, Jeff. I don’t have any time for an in depth reading, but I will do so.
Also, I’m not saying there’s little to fear or be concerned with. The opposite, in fact.
An aside: I was reading the long thread a bit, here at work. The only problem with contextual interpretation of meaning – in the political case – is that there is typically an intervening agency [the media, etc] which denudes the context. In a contextually denuded case, Patterico has a valid~ish point, but he would perforce demand all speech be conducted as if denuded a priori.
Which is teh suck. Anyway, only a stray throught and no need for extensive rejoinder.
Or the end. One of those things.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe “Fraggle Rock” gets it just right. The Doozers go about their business every day, industriously creating ingenious Doozer Construction. Which the care-free, peace-loving, song-and-dancing Fraggles simply consume without ever, themselves, performing a lick of work outside of the occasional radish heist.
I think there was even an episode in which one of the hippie Fraggles got worried that maybe it wasn’t right that they ate the Doozer Construction. But then, in the end, they realized it was really okay, because the diligent little workers enjoyed having the fruits of their labor consumed by voracious, slovenly trifles.
The world needs ned.
Boy, Obambi really likes him some moral equivalent of war stuff, don’t he?
Good thing he has only our best interests in mind, bless his narcissistic little heart!
I prefer to think of the fraggles as children, and the doozers as the adults. Then again, that does not negate Benedick’s interpretation in any way.
The Gorgs must have been stand-ins for the Rethuglicans. Pretty sure the Trash Heap was Helen Thomas.
This is a good way I guess to weed the dirty socialist riff-raff out of the private sector.
It’s the ned of the World as we know it, and he feels fine.
I’m starting to feel like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
OK – wrote my AmeriCorps coordinator friend, who I hope shall be in touch eventualish. I can email you an update if its worthwhile, if you’d like.
I love the uniform! This uniform is a testament to my inability to get a real job and add any value whatsoever to the national economy!
If I sign up for the Veterans Services Corps, can I choose my position? If so, I’d like to be top turret gunner on a State dump truck.
Teh Christmas Letter, 2010:
Johnny graduated from UCLA in May and he’s already been accepted as a National Service Loser!! We are very very proud of him. So many people have already asked him for help changing their lightbulbs, but he has to complete his training program first. When he finishes his training we’ll be sure to send pictures of him in his uniform!! He already tried one on at the Recruiting Center and he looked so handsome!
Cathy was unfortunately turned down so she’s taking a year off to find herself. It’s disappointing but we know that these things happen for a reason.
I do not think “volunteer” means what Barraky thinks it means.
So will public schrools require joining the O!Corps as a condition of graduation? Seems the “community service” thing is all the rage at our institutes of learnding.
I wonder of the uniform shirts will be brown..? Because many of the “volunteers” will most certainly be veterans of the Obama brownshirt brigades…
So, they’re gonna destroy the Catholic health care network by demanding that abortions be performed by hospitals that recieve any government payments…
And, it looks to me like the rest of the charitable service network is to be destroyed by their changes in the tax rules regarding the deductions of donations…
Smooth move, in order to ensure that the governments is essentially the only player in that space…
And then only approved charities will be funded; and those in turn will become defacto payoff directorates to reward targeted constituencies…
Just another way to ensure legions of Democrat voters for years to come…
I.Hope.Obama.Fails…
I’d always assumed that “The Report from Iron Mountain” was a credible sounding hoax but still a hoax. This bill from my somewhat cursory viewing looks to be the start of implementing what that hoax suggested. Implanting the need for, and putting into effect a World War scale government involvement/intrusion at every level of society without the actual war.
The very real Worldwide War we do have is relegated to a diplomatic “Smart Power” backburner thing. There will be real world consequences for this fantasy world governance.
Obie, Obie Uber Alles…
Rob Reed,
By Baracky! I think he’s got it!
I.Hope.Obama.Fails…Seconded:
I HOPE OBAMA FAILS!
Shiznit, that didn’t come out right at all…
Rob Reed = Bob Reed. Sorry.
I guess in the next Kent State shootings the hippie will have on the uniforms. Hopefully, they’re armed with bio-degradeable ammo.
You know what this is called, don’t you, kindern?
“Strength Through Joy”!
Work requirement in Die Obamajugend for money for college.
Ja!
*I wonder of the uniform shirts will be brown..? *
Green will be the new brown Bob.
“There are no uniforms issued for [Obama’s] AmeriCorps ‘volunteers’
Weren’t any “uniforms” issued for that other Hussein fella’s Fedayeen either.
Just sayin’.
If baracky devastates the private sector how are these people volunteers is what I don’t get. Probably they just wanna eat. People do all kinds of crazy things in a dirty socialist backwater nation what aren’t what we would’ve considered voluntary back when we had a non-dirty socialist government. I have pictures from back then and everyone is smiling.
Hmmm. The definition of “Veteran” under this act excludes Reservists of all services, the National Guard components and the Marine Coprs entirely.
“I have pictures from back then and everyone is smiling.”
Didn’t you see ‘Volunteers?’ Tom Hanks signs up as a rich kid to escape a sizable gambling debt, gets sent to Southeast Asia, and hijinks ensue. Good fun. There’s a politically in-correct, busted english speaking native, Tom Tuttle from Tacoma Washington (John Candy) sings the Washington State fight song while tortured by commies, a bridge is built with comedic American “can do” will & attitude under the most dire circumstances, and…wait for it…said ruthless Communist cabal is defeated by well meaning American goofballs and the locals they inspire.
Good movie.
“Campuses?” Did you say the “c” word, Jeff?
Unnamed sources tell me that secretly, quietly, at home alone late at night, everyone wants to be campused. They say “everyone” does.
A paid dominatrix may curb sufficiently, or a sanitarium’s walls may fill one’s void. But, whatever sates our supposedly innate thirst for constriction, confinement and debasement, it’s out there. And, ‘cording to the experts and you know. You. Want. It.
“Specially the young ‘uns. Pretty uniforms: Obama.
Me? I steer clear of large crowds (other than that smokey Who concert at McKinley Field, Boulder, in ’82). And it’s worked out pretty good so far.
You guys are joking, right? Because nobody would believe your brown shirt goon bullshit. They’d have to be green, with tassels. And epaulets.
The marketing… Gack. This can’t possibly backfire in Baracky’s high-unemployment dirty socialist economy…
And get this… the law requires these fascists to incorporate September 11 into their marketing and recruitment programs…
September 11 will come to mean something quite different to our kids than it did not 8 years ago.
I took advice from a army veteran years ago that has served me well in life.
Never volunteer for anything.
Words to live by, my friends.
Okey dokey. Well if you can just take off then September 11 henceforth might could be happyfeet’s Day of Beauty at a different spa each year I think. I had a facial once when I was in high school cause a friend of mine’s mom was practicing for her license. She played this Asian music and did the scented oil thing and she had me take of my shirt and she rubbed all over me and I had this ok not in front of your friend’s mom sort of reaction. I was very red and shiny after. But I could do other stuff. Anal bleaching or interesting things with mud and different massages and stuff. Whatever that year’s must do thing is. I’ve never had a massage. If September 11 needs must be meaningless then it should be all about pampering myself I think. Lots of them serve lunch too.
Yes, happyfeet, that sounds insidious, but nobody is compelled to do a damn thing. There’s plenty of room for the thumb-your-nosers. Except for the ritual shunning we’re all about.
oh. Take *off* my shirt I meant. I saw my friend and her mom over Christmas and she was really skinny cause she has some sort of disease that I didn’t recognize and we stopped and picked her up some queso. What was neat was her stepdad used to be the not nicest person but he’s old now and he’s the greatest guy. Life is funny.
@58
a very civil blow me
Ha ha funny, or funny like cynn?
It is insidious cynn, for real… September 11 was not a lesson in extending a helping hand to your neighbor. It just wasn’t.
Comment by cynn on 3/16
Of course their uniforms would be green, not brown! Bright, happy green.
Baracky’s army of sanctimonious angry leprechauns…
cynn processes things differently is all I think
@60 Likewise, but do it to yourself. Thx.
you’re joking. one of the things the fascists wants to encourage are
I don’t think being a victim of a terrorist attack is an honor. Hussein is a fucking sick sick sick man.
An “exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to Democracy.”
This will end well.
Wait, let me get this… Sept. 11 was about extending a hand to our neighbor?? WTF where did you get that crap?
Congress is ordered to determine
That’s scary shit. It truly is.
ok, cynn… what do you think these fascists envision future September 11 observances being about. I bet I’m not far off. If anything I’m understating the communitarianism.
oh. Also Congress is directed to determine…
Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
Fascist fucks. Orrin Hatch. What a useless useless piece of shit. Someone really should shove that man’s hymnal up his ass I think.
Is that from the legislation? Then I’ll kick his ass over that. He has no business telling individual people how to conduct their lives until he knocks the snot out of the predators that fucked our larger lives. He better be on the ball. Keep looking for mulligans; then add them up.
remember that’s the main problem not crooks writing laws. but with teleprompter jesus ain’t we be doing something diverse?
This is the sort of thing the Vista thing does. It has an earmark of like $100 million a year…
There is an inspirational picture. Ok, Baracky. I give up. Send my ass to Hawaii.
don’t hit the “banking queen”
this is a very very dark dark thing
While my girls were going up I did tons of volunteer work. I worked in their classrooms, ran very successful fund raisers, ran talent shows, did the Booster parent thing for all manner of their sports, helped out with the bands they played with, worked with the jr high and high school admins on numerous projects.
Almost 16 years of continuous projects that I loved and enjoyed doing because I could.
The ObamaCorps makes “volunteerism” kind of dirty.
going = growing
Wonder what other insane sounding promises he plans on cramming through? Anyone remember the statements about creating a “homeland security force, as well armed as the military” (or words to that effect)?
the two bit teleprompter jesus can do something or he(pbuh) can propose something. his(pbuh) experience suggest the latter.
whatever happen to the annenburg money?
which contained unfamiliar animals, plants, and foods.
Yeah, because no kid has ever been able to “identify” with books that contain totally imaginary shit like unicorns and trolls.
If everything you’re reading is familiar, you aren’t really learning anything.
Which may have been exactly the point.
I think he’s done. I think he realizes the enormity of what he’s been dealt. He’s tried to assuage the people and institutions, but he vacillates because nobody knows what could happen. It’s the great american crapshoot.
Ha! If only.
I think he realizes the enormity of what he’s been dealt.
Yeah, he thought it was going to be non-stop speeches in front of cheering throngs, without any of that nasty “work”.
Hint: that’s because he’s fucking stupid.
Former presidents have faced crises ranging from the Civil War to the Great Depression to the Cold War. The current problems are nothing compared to those. Nothing.
Fuck you and your Plastic Presentdent, cynn. You voted for the incompetent pretty boy. You own him.
Hey, it looks like maybe I can work off all my “community service” sentences in advance – barefoot, no doubt – or even store up some free crimes?
Plus, I just can’t wait to “help” a certain few people. Their vocabulary is all wrong.
you asshat liberals/proggs do everything having to do with crap and american history. slavery, klukluxklan, jap detention, palmer raids…
Fuck you right back, Spies. We’ll see what happehs when the next impressionable generation gets a load of the greed-ass slurping and lame-ass policing you did?
The left likes to talk about “empowerment” of “minorities” by having special interest groups form around superficial notions of “diversity” and group “identity” (gratuitous quotes used to emphasise the key words in the left’s lexicon). However, the reality is that by focusing on those superficial notions of diversity all these narrowly defined special interests and identity groups tear the very fabric of our society apart. A nation does not come together on it’s differences, but rather on its percieved similarities.
Many empowered groups with dissimilar senses of values and identities are easier to play against each other, if the puppeteer is skilled enough. Ultimately, diversity politics is just another method of control.
Maybe not so much directly apropos of this thread, but it came to mind when contemplating authoritarianism on the left. It’s part and parcel of the ideology that brings this sort of thing about.
We’ll see what happehs when the next impressionable generation gets a load of the greed-ass slurping and lame-ass policing you did?
I didn’t vote for Barney Frank, cynn.
I didn’t vote for Chris Dodd, cynn.
I didn’t vote for Maxine Waters, cynn.
I didn’t vote for Joe Biden, cynn.
Let’s see how long your lies about who was responsible continue to work, shall we?
I don’t think it’s going to take a “generation”, myself. More like six months.
Your pretty boy incompetent is sitting at +4 approval right now. He goes negative before Tax Day. Count on it.
Whatever, Spies. That’s not up to you to decide. Have a good one.
Nice “rebuttal”, cynn.
On the future generation thing: your Presentdent has spent how many trillions in the last two months? Trillions that those future generations are going to have to pay back?
Oh, I forgot: to people like you, government spending is free money. It comes out of thin air.
Faugh.
No, Spies, we won’t forget it. And we will make sure that our kids remember what kind of greed that makes it happen.
We’ll see what happehs when the next impressionable generation gets a load of the greed-ass slurping and lame-ass policing you did?
What, you concede the current Fairy Tale’s already failed? What a surprise, eh? But blame yourself for once, cynn. Man-up, honey child.
cynn: are you talking about the kind of covetousness that makes you want what your neighbor has labored for? Funny that progressives are never all that anxious to talk about that.
I’ll make sure that my kids know very well about the problems of covetousness and avarice both. Helps to have a value system.
Seth: You belittle progressives because you revile them, without qualification. I teach my child the same ideals you might well teach yours. You don’t bother to look beyond your own boundaries.
I revile progressivism, it’s true. I revile it for it’s disregard for individuals and its embrace of the collective. I revile it for its utopian plans, ever predecated on perfecting the state instead of the man. I revile it for its authoritarian bent. I revile it for ghastly, and predictable, outcomes. I revile progressivism because it never, but never, seems to learn from history. I revile it for its willful ignorance of basic human nature.
But most of all, I revile progressivism for its highly situational sense of ethics and its utter disregard for the means it employs to its ends.
Gather round my children for I have a tale for you. It is a tale of Greed and Woe. And I want you to heed this tale so that never will it be said that the children of cynn are enraptured of the demons Free Enterprise or Liberty. Settle, children. Very good. My story begins with a beautiful princess, and her name was Fannie Mae.
Well, we mey be sneaky, but thank god if you get us on a jury. ciao.
Yet.
Just wait until you have an NCCC
CampusGarrison in your neighborhood.Jesus and Maria wept, cynn…what for the love of taquitos does that supposed to mean?
I do not grok it.
Do AmeriCorps NCCC members wear uniforms?
Yes. You are required to wear a uniform. Uniforms are issued to members when they report to the campus. The uniform colors are gray, black, and khaki. At a minimum, all members will receive the following items:
BDU (battle dress uniform) pants–black & khaki
Khaki shorts
T-shirts (short and long-sleeve)
Polo shirts (short and long-sleeve)
Hooded sweatshirt
Winter parka
Steel-toed work boots
Baseball cap
Fleece vest
Coveralls
And we will make sure that our kids remember what kind of greed that makes it happen.
Yeah, the kind of greed that spends a trillion dollars a week that you don’t have.
Hint: that would be your pretty boy incompetent, cynn.
Also, I’m not sure why buying a modest house with a mortgage I can afford to pay (for now) makes me “greedy”, while someone who bought a house they clearly couldn’t afford, counting on the market going up forever, and then ramped up on refis at every opportunity so they could spend the money on toys isn’t “greedy”.
Care to explain that, cynn?
Because you don’t belong to the right identity group, Spies.
What cynn was trying to say about juries is that you would want a “progressive” jury because they’re all compassionate and shit.
Which is interesting in that it isn’t at all true. “Progressives” suffer from a reality inversion, which makes them incapable of properly judging just about any circumstance – which is why the US and Israel are bad guys and the Taliban and Hamas our victims (to borrow from Evan Sayet).
Which means that, since I’m not ACTUALLY a thug, creep, or cretin, I’d get no benefit of the doubt from the morally inverted “Progressives,” so I wouldn’t want one on any jury deciding my case.
cynn,
He has no business doing it even then, not that we’ll ever get to that place.
mandatory service
Not only an oxymoron, but unconstitutional as well. Any law demanding this need not be obeyed. Next they’ll be coming after our powder and shot.
#93
Cynn said,
“And we will make sure that our kids remember what kind of greed that makes it happen.”
Then you better teach em not to vote democratic, cause the political greed is what got us into this.
They already are Rusty.
The government corporation that handles expended brass for the military and federal law enforcement, who used to sell it to the various ammunition remanufactureres around the country (these are small businesses), has been ordered to shred the brass only sell it as scrap.
The result will be that instead of many small businesses using the brass to remanufacture ammunition, and there’s already a shortage of ammo, it will all be sold to China, who will pay top dollar for scrap brass. A decision has been made that will deliberately harm US small businesses during a recession, becasue the administration doesn’t like what those small businesses do. And, of course, it will deepen the ammunition shortage and drive the prices up making it harder to buy it even if you can find it.
This about the AIG mess is informative of how that will be done to help the very ones who fashioned the mess.
The “administration” bails them out to save the EU banks from collapse. A collapse that our FM/FM poison, filtered through AIG engendered.
AIG employees were scheduled for bonuses. The “administration” determines that if they stop them the employees can sue, win the suit, and collect even more, so they allow the bonuses to go ahead.
Out of the blue, emails, letters, death threats, flood in against the employees and their bonuses. Who has an organization, a non-governmental organization, that can mobilize a email/letter campaign overnight? Hmmmm.
The employees threatened are the only ones with the knowledge needed to unwind the web of finance AIG has been ensnared in. Many are quitting due to the threats. If they don’t unwind this properly AIG will fail, the taxpayers own 80% of it and so will lose that. The failure will be blamed on the private sector’s greed.
Obama has come out raging against the vey plan his “administration” has put through and signed off on. His attacks however are not against his “administration”, (quotes because how can it be his if he takes no ownership for what it does) but against those greedy, greedy AIG employees. Obama, the hero of the people.
Thus as always for the Left. Cause a crisis. Rage against it blaming some other. Propose a solution, the gist of which, hands you more power. Leverage the solution into another crisis which can be blamed on others.
SOP and MO for as long as I’ve watched them.
Any lawyers beginning to feel like discoursing on the subject of Bills of Attainder and their cousins?
Well FINALLY, a chance to wear those jack-boots Jeff made us all buy. I just have to join the other team!
HOPE! CHANGE! FREEBIES!
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“becasue the administration doesn’t like what those small businesses do. And, of course, it will deepen the ammunition shortage and drive the prices up making it harder to buy it even if you can find it.”
If you can’t ban firearms outright, ban the ammunition. Which is what this is. There will now be a black market for those shell casings. As the price rises, fewer and fewer will make it to China.
RTO. Among other things I’m a machinist. What are these clods going to do next? Register everybody with a lathe in their garage?
geoffb: So it’s all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.
What cynn, you’ve been reading Leibniz?
I say let them collapse. Horrors! The crooks are the only ones who can commit the crimes, and therefore solve them? Jesus, you people are so stupid that I would cheer your blowup, if only I weren’t involved.