The biosphere pumps out 550 gigatonnes of carbon yearly; we put in only 30 gigatonnes. Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms.
I like the part about making charcoal out of agricultural waste except someone should tell this codger that farmers aren’t stupid and they have houses and sheds and whatnot what get cold in the winter. I bet they could do the math on this one.
That was a question I had also, ‘feets. It takes quite a bit of heat to make charcoal, and energy to dig huge holes in which to bury it. Doesn’t seem like we would be gaining much to me, but I ain’t a 90 year old guru so what do I know.
Reading back through, it seems he just wants the farmers to plow the charcoal into the soil when they do their plowing. So you would have a spreader and a plow involved, but just the spreader would be the incremental cost. But I think collecting the waste would be a big deal, since I think the whole point of combines is to leave a good bit of useless stuff in the field. You can co back through and bale it I think to feed your cows and stuff, but … I think the old man is sort of talking out of his ass is my suspicion. If this were that easy farmers would already be doing it.
Gaia even tho its colder here in the US pacific northwest I hope you and James are right and man is the problem. I’m prepared for survival and look forward to more heat and 90% of these, well you know… gone.
Thanks for the hope…
Steve
In case you skipped the article, the reference is to 90% of humanity gone.
“Yes. The biosphere pumps out 550 gigatonnes of carbon yearly; we put in only 30 gigatonnes. Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms.”
Gaia has always been at war with Gaia.
or
Gaia is committing suicide.
We are learning that insanity can be fun and profitable.
“Most of the “green” stuff is verging on a gigantic scam. Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted. It’s not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it’ll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of reckoning.”
Yikes! Coming from the originator of the gaia theory, well, let’s just say that’s gonna leave a mark. Al Gore and Carol Browner must be worried about their connivance being exposed like this…
“I am not against renewable energy, but to spoil all the decent countryside in the UK with wind farms is driving me mad. It’s absolutely unnecessary, and it takes 2500 square kilometres to produce a gigawatt – that’s an awful lot of countryside.”
Uh-oh…Now T.Boone’s idea is being disparaged…
“Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms. What we can do is cheat those consumers by getting farmers to burn their crop waste at very low oxygen levels to turn it into charcoal, which the farmer then ploughs into the field.”
B-B-But, the ecosystem will be thrown out of balance! FIGHT FOR THE WORMS AND BACTERIA, MAN!1!!!1!eleventy…
You know, it’s really hard to take Dr. gaia seriously. Oh I admire him though; he’s made enough off of this scam over the years to buy a ride into space and live comfortably I’m sure…
The article is great for the Ogita it must give to the radical environmentalists though!
Does Lewis Thomas ever get a mention in this Gaia hypothesis stuff? It seems like he’s too honestly poetical in intent and not taken to mean it seriously. Which, if true, would be the better thing.
As far as Darwin goes, humans are the most successful large animals on the planet. Humans have conquered other animals, turned many to their servants, and in some places exterminated all other competing animals. Humans are so adaptable they can visit and live in some of the most inhospitable places on this planet and have gone beyond it. Based on that humans shouldn’t kill themselves off as they are nature’s success story.
It would mean farmers turning all their agricultural waste – which contains carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering – into non-biodegradable charcoal
This displays an alarming ignorance of nature and farming that makes ethanol positively brilliant in comparison.
Soil needs agricultural waste plowed back in (mulch anyone?) to remain fertile and shit. Yeah, shit. You know, fertilizer? Where does the “carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering” come from? Do you think it could be necessary for the plant to produce it’s crop?
Is it really a good idea to sterilize the soil by turning “agricultural waste” into “non-biodegradable charcoal”?
No,it’s even stupider than ignoring domestic oil reserves and nuke power in favor of turning food into gas.
Yeah Spies, but the problem is he said to turn agricultural waste into non-biodegradable charcoal. First, there isn’t any waste; through natural process waste replenishes the soil, whether the farmer spreads manure, plows under the harvested crop, or burns and spreads what he can’t plow under. Second, no-biodegradable implies it won’t break down to enrich the soil.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems the point is to de-carbonize the the farming process, which would sterilize farmland. Don’t underestimate the power of government folly. Especially if lead by a all powerful commie.
When I was a kid in the west of Ireland, we’d take potato(e) stalks after the harvest (early August, or thereabouts), mix them with seaweed, add them to the midden (“pile of cowshit”) let it all stew, and mix the lot back into the ground early the next year. To this day there are actual “spreaders” you can attach to the back of tractors, fill with, well, “mulch”, and then run back and forth to put essential nutrients back into the land.
Of course, I grew up in a farming world that had persisted for at least 400 years. Things are differnt now, I’m ure, waht with the EU and all.
Apart from the cabbage, lettuce, onion, turnip (ugh!), suede (ugh) gardens, etc., we also had hayfields, mostly to feed cattle through the winter (Jayzus! The stink of silage!). The cows would summer back on the mountain, but in winter they had to be fed silage. Or be fed expensive stuff from the co-op. There were also chickens and pigs (mmmmm…black pudding), and I had license to take as many trout and eel as I could from the river behind our house, and if I ever snared a rabbit or a pheasant, well, so much the better. Oh, and mushrooms, and…
I realize, of course, that the only acceptable penance for my multiple and hideous sins against Gaia is immediate immolation.
Except…What’s the carbon footprint on that?
(BTW, in my experience farming to feed a family is dirty, difficult, and dangerous. Unless you have an avocation, it’s really not for you. I did have a great time as a kid, but I fled it and I’m not anxious to go back.)
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The biosphere pumps out 550 gigatonnes of carbon yearly; we put in only 30 gigatonnes. Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms.
That isn’t going to help his popularity much.
I like the part about making charcoal out of agricultural waste except someone should tell this codger that farmers aren’t stupid and they have houses and sheds and whatnot what get cold in the winter. I bet they could do the math on this one.
That was a question I had also, ‘feets. It takes quite a bit of heat to make charcoal, and energy to dig huge holes in which to bury it. Doesn’t seem like we would be gaining much to me, but I ain’t a 90 year old guru so what do I know.
Reading back through, it seems he just wants the farmers to plow the charcoal into the soil when they do their plowing. So you would have a spreader and a plow involved, but just the spreader would be the incremental cost. But I think collecting the waste would be a big deal, since I think the whole point of combines is to leave a good bit of useless stuff in the field. You can co back through and bale it I think to feed your cows and stuff, but … I think the old man is sort of talking out of his ass is my suspicion. If this were that easy farmers would already be doing it.
Comments over there are interesting:
In case you skipped the article, the reference is to 90% of humanity gone.
Lefties do lurves them some genocide.
Oh, and how do you make charcoal? You burn it, but not completely. Incomplete combustion has several harmful effects on Gaia.
Gaia has always been at war with Gaia.
or
Gaia is committing suicide.
We are learning that insanity can be fun and profitable.
He wants to landfill garden waste and lawn clippings? Weren’t we supposed not to do that back in the 1990’s?
It could be he is right, or it could be that he’s just a grumpy old man.
“Most of the “green” stuff is verging on a gigantic scam. Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted. It’s not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it’ll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of reckoning.”
Yikes! Coming from the originator of the gaia theory, well, let’s just say that’s gonna leave a mark. Al Gore and Carol Browner must be worried about their connivance being exposed like this…
“I am not against renewable energy, but to spoil all the decent countryside in the UK with wind farms is driving me mad. It’s absolutely unnecessary, and it takes 2500 square kilometres to produce a gigawatt – that’s an awful lot of countryside.”
Uh-oh…Now T.Boone’s idea is being disparaged…
“Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms. What we can do is cheat those consumers by getting farmers to burn their crop waste at very low oxygen levels to turn it into charcoal, which the farmer then ploughs into the field.”
B-B-But, the ecosystem will be thrown out of balance! FIGHT FOR THE WORMS AND BACTERIA, MAN!1!!!1!eleventy…
You know, it’s really hard to take Dr. gaia seriously. Oh I admire him though; he’s made enough off of this scam over the years to buy a ride into space and live comfortably I’m sure…
The article is great for the Ogita it must give to the radical environmentalists though!
Ooops, I forgot to add that this guy is just another population bomb adherant, and so too it seems are his ideas an outgrowth of that same ideology…
Does Lewis Thomas ever get a mention in this Gaia hypothesis stuff? It seems like he’s too honestly poetical in intent and not taken to mean it seriously. Which, if true, would be the better thing.
As far as Darwin goes, humans are the most successful large animals on the planet. Humans have conquered other animals, turned many to their servants, and in some places exterminated all other competing animals. Humans are so adaptable they can visit and live in some of the most inhospitable places on this planet and have gone beyond it. Based on that humans shouldn’t kill themselves off as they are nature’s success story.
This displays an alarming ignorance of nature and farming that makes ethanol positively brilliant in comparison.
Soil needs agricultural waste plowed back in (mulch anyone?) to remain fertile and shit. Yeah, shit. You know, fertilizer? Where does the “carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering” come from? Do you think it could be necessary for the plant to produce it’s crop?
Is it really a good idea to sterilize the soil by turning “agricultural waste” into “non-biodegradable charcoal”?
No,it’s even stupider than ignoring domestic oil reserves and nuke power in favor of turning food into gas.
Yea lee, but it does set up a malthusian self-fulfilling prophecy…
So he’s got that going for him; if anyone is stoooooopid! enough to heed his advice…
Where does the “carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering†come from?
Fertilizer is nitrogen, potassium,and phosphorus, mostly.
The carbon comes from the air, not the soil.
Converting the waste into charcoal would likely turn the mineral content into soluble ash, so, no problem there.
I have serious doubts whether this scheme is energy or economically efficient, though.
We have exactly one safe, clean, sustainable, and carbon-neutral energy source.
Naturally, it’s the one that sends the hippies into a screeching frenzy.
Is that because it glows in their dark, SBP? :-)
Yeah Spies, but the problem is he said to turn agricultural waste into non-biodegradable charcoal. First, there isn’t any waste; through natural process waste replenishes the soil, whether the farmer spreads manure, plows under the harvested crop, or burns and spreads what he can’t plow under. Second, no-biodegradable implies it won’t break down to enrich the soil.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems the point is to de-carbonize the the farming process, which would sterilize farmland. Don’t underestimate the power of government folly. Especially if lead by a all powerful commie.
When I was a kid in the west of Ireland, we’d take potato(e) stalks after the harvest (early August, or thereabouts), mix them with seaweed, add them to the midden (“pile of cowshit”) let it all stew, and mix the lot back into the ground early the next year. To this day there are actual “spreaders” you can attach to the back of tractors, fill with, well, “mulch”, and then run back and forth to put essential nutrients back into the land.
Of course, I grew up in a farming world that had persisted for at least 400 years. Things are differnt now, I’m ure, waht with the EU and all.
Apart from the cabbage, lettuce, onion, turnip (ugh!), suede (ugh) gardens, etc., we also had hayfields, mostly to feed cattle through the winter (Jayzus! The stink of silage!). The cows would summer back on the mountain, but in winter they had to be fed silage. Or be fed expensive stuff from the co-op. There were also chickens and pigs (mmmmm…black pudding), and I had license to take as many trout and eel as I could from the river behind our house, and if I ever snared a rabbit or a pheasant, well, so much the better. Oh, and mushrooms, and…
I realize, of course, that the only acceptable penance for my multiple and hideous sins against Gaia is immediate immolation.
Except…What’s the carbon footprint on that?
(BTW, in my experience farming to feed a family is dirty, difficult, and dangerous. Unless you have an avocation, it’s really not for you. I did have a great time as a kid, but I fled it and I’m not anxious to go back.)
[…] A smart blogger placed an observative post today on Elderly British Man Predicts End to Humanity [Dan Collins]Here’s a quick excerptIt may be asked, of what consequence is it that the farmer or small or split with wedges into sufficiently available shapes to lay in walls. Lightweight positioning wedges provide both positioning support and comfort. TUBING SYRINGE PUMPFIXATOR BAR COMP/DIST SMALLCATHETER URETERAL COUDE 4F. Very small droplets may resist freezing to the 40oC value mentioned above. of lateral and boundary roughness control. It was quite small, and having 30 extras, cast and a police raid, all squeezing. Posey’s bed chair sensor options, the Sitter II allows caregivers to Posey Lateral Wedges: Price: 11.07 Perfect for travel or small children. More Details BMI Soft Stride Heel Wedge, Small. High-resiliency, high-density foam wedge POSEY. attitudes towards television post production and drive a wedge through it. The products included here represent a small number of the many home care Easy to operate drop arm mechanism facilitates lateral transfer. The Neumann W491 EQ is also a BIG […] […]