Forget, for the moment, Gaza. Forget that the Palestinian people are the most comprehensively wrecked people on the face of the Earth. For the past 60 years they have been entrusted to the care of the United Nations, the Arab League, the PLO, Hamas and the “global community” – and the results are pretty much what you’d expect.
You would have to be very hardhearted not to weep at the sight of dead Palestinian children, but you would also have to accord a measure of blame to the Hamas officials who choose to use grade schools as launch pads for Israeli-bound rockets, and to the U.N. refugee agency that turns a blind eye to it. And, even if you don’t deplore Fatah and Hamas for marinating their infants in a sick death cult in which martyrdom in the course of Jew-killing is the greatest goal to which a citizen can aspire, any fair-minded visitor to the West Bank or Gaza in the decade and a half in which the “Palestinian Authority” has exercised sovereign powers roughly equivalent to those of the nascent Irish Free State in 1922 would have to concede that the Palestinian “nationalist movement” has a profound shortage of nationalists interested in running a nation, or indeed capable of doing so. There is fault on both sides, of course, and Israel has few good long-term options. But, if this was a conventional ethno-nationalist dispute, it would have been over long ago.
So, as I said, forget Gaza. And, instead, ponder the reaction to Gaza in Scandinavia, France, the United Kingdom, Canada, and golly, even Florida. As the delegitimization of Israel has metastasized, we are assured that criticism of the Jewish state is not the same as anti-Semitism. We are further assured that anti-Zionism is not the same as anti-Semitism, which is a wee bit more of a stretch.
Only Israel attracts an intellectually respectable movement querying its very existence.
Those Palestinians need another bailout.
You mean to say ponder the reaction of that certain Islamo-monkey bitch who happened to live in Florida.
She doesn’t represent the geography.
No, these are just isolated cases. Back to sleep now, kiddies, and rest assured that all the Zionists’ fault.
Do you?
From Steyn’s point of view isn’t the fact that she doesn’t represent the opinion of people in Florida in the main — the fact that she may well have been within earshot of people who smelled the gas chambers themselves — the very thing that makes her bellowing both interesting and alarming?
Comment by thor on 1/10 @ 4:56 pm #
That’s nice, thor.
Now take your happy pills and have a nice long nap, ‘mkay?
Those nutters who showed up at our U.S. soldier’s funerals shouting “God Hates Fags” don’t represent Kansas anymore than a nut in Florida represents Florida.
Besides I know AIPAC holds conferences in Miami for Marcus Rosenberg was a huge contributor and used to travel there to attend. Not that you’d know him, but he’s one of the Jews who survived the holocaust for whom Darleen spits on the grave of, because, as you wouldn’t know, he founded the Akiba Academy in Dallas wherein he allowed poor emigrant children to attend without paying tuition. Such was his Socialist’s heart, and worthy of the spit from a superior r-winger’s mouth.
Save the Jews! Except the liberal ones! Yay!
Links to Canadian high school droputs, now?
Bring on Joe the reporter!
Comment by thor on 1/10 @ 5:28 pm #
That’s nice, thor.
Now take your meds and have a nice long nap, ‘mkay?
OMG I love P.J. O’Rourke:
“Is it too soon to talk about the failed Obama presidency just because Obama isn’t president yet? That depends upon how quickly Barack Obama is able to apply the lessons he’s learned from Management Secrets of the Illinois Governors.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000%5C000%5C015%5C987slhyv.asp
How was your trip to Europe, alphie?
Links to Canadian high school droputs, now?
I could have sworn it was a link to a journalist who has written for The Independent, The Spectator, The Jerusalem Post, Chicago Sun-Times, The Australian, The Irish Times, Atlantic Monthly….
Too bad Steyn’s green card couldn’t have gone instead to an immigrant who would have produced something of value for America.
Too bad you can’t argue any of his points.
My Dad is sick enough that he’ll very soon pass away, you remember him, he’s the one that in one of your braver moments you proclaimed that he was never injured in Korea and actually sucked Russian Commie Cock (!!!).
Maybe you tell your combat booted son of those veterans who came before him, like my Dad, who never forgot the last of the great human sausage battles our country sent its men into. Tell ’em my Dad never lived a day without thinking of, advocating for, and donating money to the cause of bettering the medical treatment our wounded soldiers receive on and off the battlefield. Also tell your son that oft times you’re an worthless, ignorant dick who’d better serve his son by being less of one.
Ignore the trolls.
Sure is cold in Russia these days.
Those nutters who showed up at our U.S. soldier’s funerals shouting “God Hates Fags†don’t represent Kansas anymore than a nut in Florida represents Florida.
No one’s suggested they represent Floridians, Thor, what they represent is today’s Left.
Too bad Steyn’s green card couldn’t have gone instead to an immigrant who would have produced something of value for America.
Like a reliable Democratic voter?
It’s politically convenient for you to think so, probably makes your flag pin shine brighter.
I voted for Obama. I don’t believe in a hegemonic Left or Right. I firmly support the State of Israel and its right to defend itself.
Oy, I’m sorry to hear about your Dad thor. Happyfeet just checked in at the Pub a bit ago with the sad news that his Mom passed away Jan 3.
Aw, geez. I’m sorry about your dad, too, thor.
[I don’t believe in a hegemonic Left or Right. I firmly support the State of Israel and its right to defend itself.]
Funny how you’ve never articulated this view before.
Giant fail, Techie, as he has in fact articulated that position over and over again. Either you missed it, you misread it or you interpreted counter to his plain intent.
“My Dad is sick enough that he’ll very soon pass away, you remember him, he’s the one that in one of your braver moments you proclaimed that he was never injured in Korea and actually sucked Russian Commie Cock (!!!).”
You’re a sick, lying fuck, thor, because I never said that and would never say anything like that.
Go fuck yourself with a swodfish, slime mold.
What I did say was that you Father, if he really knew you, would be ashamed of you.
And your MOS was….what?
Now go take your meds, and have a nice long nap, before you post again.
More the first part to the second part, but if your willing to vouch for the second one. I’ll admit to not reading every thread.
“Also tell your son that oft times you’re an worthless, ignorant dick who’d better serve his son by being less of one.”
Sorry, cocksucker, my son loves me.
Can you say the same?
Like a reliable Democratic voter?
How about a C++ programmer from India.
It’s not like if Steyn wasn’t here there isn’t hundreds of unemployed right wing extremists willing to keep the supply of dog’s vomit flowing.
And the boot commenht is plaigarism.
Again.
Never an original thought, eh, throg?
“Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 6:25 pm #
It’s not like if Steyn wasn’t here there isn’t hundreds of unemployed right wing extremists willing to keep the supply of dog’s vomit flowing.”
‘Smatter, alpo, hungry?
How about a C++ programmer from India.
How about a lefty that can respond to the actual content of a post?
Funny how you would pretend I’ve ever stated anything to the contrary concerning Israel. I’m pretty specific in my beliefs and have always been so.
Fine, I’ll retract the second part. The first part stands.
How about a lefty that can respond to the actual content of a post?
What “actual content,” B Moe?
A boilerplate anti-Muslim screed from a right wing mediocrity?
You calling Steyn mediocre is like a pissant calling an elephant small.
“Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 6:42 pm #
How about a lefty that can respond to the actual content of a post?
A boilerplate anti-Muslim screed from a right wing mediocrity?”
alpo, you’re not blinkered, you are Oedipus Fucking Rex.
Mark Steyn is about as close to a rock star that an political writer can get. I think if I were to see him speak, I’d be tempted to throw my panties at him.
I think I just figured thor out:
he has the soul of an NKVD torturer.
Um, Carin I could rent a hall.
I’m just saying….
Heh.
Honestly, he’s just great. He subed for Rush last week.
What, I didn’t quote you exactly? Yeah, since before I was born my dad has had a severe limp from his injuries in Korea. In a post where I explained that as an example of my military bonafides you, as I recall, didn’t want to believe me. After I stated my Dad never wanted to see his sons go into the army is when you made your dumbassed proclamations.
I’ve seen men who disliked my Dad mimic his labored gait as a way to mock and make fun of him. I’ve seen it all and it’s taught me the extent of childishness when people get lost in a moment. I could actually care less what you say/said, P’brain. You seem content to glorify your son’s sacrifice, that’s great, whatever, but you’re also a cowardly dick when it comes to recognizing anyone else might have suffered anything greater than your concern for your son. My great aunt lost two of her sons in battle and her third one drank himself to death when he returned from battle. That was the children she had, pal. Maybe think about that before waving your flag in others faces.
Our military didn’t have enough supplies nor the supply lines in Korea to keep our soldiers from freezing to death much less do more than field dress the wounded. That’s what my Dad desires to never see happen again. Leave it at that.
Mark Steyn is little known outside the small circle of crackers who lap up his rascist crap, B Moe.
And the people outside the small circle of crackers who do read his crap consider him the second dumbest wingnut after doughy pantload.
ANTI-SEMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITISM
snippy, why don’t you enumerate some of the lefty commentators who write as well as the ignoramus, Steyn?
Mark Steyn and Jonah Goldberg are the epitome of dumb wingnuts? Heh. I got a fun game – I’ll take your dumbest pundits against those two ANY day. Matter of fact, I’d put your smartest pundits against those two.
You are normally just an insult generator. The piles of shit that you generate in your comments are not worthy of sifting for the occasional lumps of pyrite found within.
I’ll even concede that your father is a great guy, other than the fact that he produced you.
Yup. Worthy cause, too.
Now riff for a bit on why that happened. Couple of hints: there are two circular insignia involved, one red, one blue; and it won’t fit on a bumper sticker.
Regards,
Ric
At it again, I see. No wonder you don’t remember all the retarded shit you say to people since it’s non-stop.
“What, I didn’t quote you exactly?”
No, cocksucker, you lied throught your stinking teeth.
“After I stated my Dad never wanted to see his sons go into the army is when you made your dumbassed proclamations.”
Liar.
“I could actually care less what you say/said, P’brain.”
Then why the three paragraph reply, liar?
“You seem content to glorify your son’s sacrifice, that’s great, whatever, but you’re also a cowardly dick when it comes to recognizing anyone else might have suffered anything greater than your concern for your son”
Fuck you, you no nothing about me, liar.
“My great aunt lost two of her sons in battle and her third one drank himself to death when he returned from battle. That was the children she had, pal. Maybe think about that before waving your flag in others faces.”
And I have a picture of my cousins grave in St. Avold, France, in my upstairs corridor. I can wave the flag. You can’t.
“Leave it at that.”
I honor your fathers service.
You can go fuck yourself with a swordfish, liar, and I will never, ever, “levae it at that” after the way you have constantly insulted and belitted my son.
Now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
Liar.
“I see. No wonder you don’t remember all the retarded shit you say to people since it’s non-stop.”
Liar.
If you don’t mind I’d rather rely on my dad’s version of what happened in Korea versus yours, thanks.
#24
Funny now that feets mom has passed,may she be at peace, thor all of a sudden has daddy issues.
Sorry. Aint buyin’ it. He tossed his bullshit a little too much a little too often to be believable.
Funny, Carin,
A rascist high school dropout and a pure nepotism hire versus people like Paul Krugman?
I wouldn’t mind seeing all the wingnut pundits fight it out on a TV show for the rapidly dwindling pool of wingnut welfare money, though.
“Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 7:20 pm #
Funny, Carin,
A rascist high school dropout and a pure nepotism hire versus people like Paul Krugman?”
Paul Krugman?
Paul Krugman?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAQAAAAA!!!!!!11!!!!!
Who the hell takes Paul Fucking Krugman seriously?
For what it’s worth, I think Steyn has a point, but he overreaches. But that’s all I have to say here, because I’ll be trampled by the mini uprising countered by the scorched earth response going on here.
If Krugman is such a brilliant economist, maybe the NYTimes should consult him on how to lift themselves out of junk-bond status.
I’m just saying, since they have all this massive talent “in-house” so to speak.
Comment by Techie on 1/10 @ 7:27 pm #
Bingo.
Note how the Left disparages Milton Friedman but we’re supposed to instantly bow to Krugman’s greatness.
Also, Go Panthers!
Troll-bait thread I see.
O sweet jeebus on a pogo stick, more treason from the NYT:
“U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
Wow. Just wow.
I take a football break and peek at the PW threads and the first thing that I see is an extremely drunken Thor (so early!) rambling on about his Dad’s service in Korea. Funny how this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the thread topic. Then I see Snippy’s last rant was about Mark Steyn’s green card!?!? What the F***?
Being a libtard means never having to make any sense at all. They must think that if they blabber on nonsensically, nobody will notice how their President Elect/love interest is already failing at his new job.
Only to be expected, of course. Eyewitness accounts from both ends of the supply pipeline, the financing end, and a grunt who made it to OCS based on solving some of the problems, don’t count.
Regards,
Ric
P’brain you should send Rusty a double eagle flag pin for that dig.
They must think that if they blabber on nonsensically, nobody will notice how their President Elect/love interest is already failing at his new job.
Logcabin … you are aware that criticizing the incoming President is racist? I’m gonna have to denounce you …. sorry.
Comment by thor on 1/10 @ 7:53 pm #
That’s nice, throg.
Now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
#63
Douchebag. What are doing here? Isn’t there somebody you should be looking after? Maybe not, huh.
more treason from the NYT
The article actually makes Bush seem reasonable, No Brain.
Why are you squealing?
Just a reminder of Mr. Sanger’s recent pronouncements.
Meet the Press, Jan 4, 2008:
My mistake, the date should read Jan 4, 2009.
I voted for Obama. I don’t believe in a hegemonic Left or Right. I firmly support the State of Israel and its right to defend itself.
That’s lovely, Thor, but unless you contain multitudes, you are not “the Left.” And the Left today (present company and a few others excepted) is easily the core anti-semitic constituency in America, and elsewhere, today.
Sdferr #68: Cry me a fucking river. You can file that under “pre-emptive excuse making.”
When a nineteen-year-old PFC gets promoted to Corporal and has to start being a squad leader, the main thing he has to deal with is his predecessor’s policies and management style. Same when a register slave rises to night manager at the local fast food. Nobody since Adam has started out with a clean slate and no lingering issues, and nobody ever will.
Of course, a person who’s never been so much as night manager at McDonalds may not be aware of that.
Regards,
Ric
I said before about this quote. If Obama and Co. handle anything like Kennedy did “The Bay of Pigs” it will be a disaster. Clinton did Mogadishu like Kennedy and it got him “Blackhawk Down” and a lot of good men dead.
When you ask people to put their lives on the line you back them fully, all in.
Half-assed, indecisive, throw them under the bus when they become a liability, Obama is a walking disaster for all but himself, because that is all he cares for.
And the Left today (present company and a few others excepted) is easily the core anti-semitic constituency in America, and elsewhere, today.
You crackers keep pushing that phony talking point but 80% of Jewish Americans keep voting for the Democrats like clockwork each election, Ric.
Well, whatever Ric. I think the point I was attempting to make is precisely that Sanger’s horseshit is pre-emptive. So file it yourself, how’s that?
oh, we’re in square and rectangle territory again.
You crackers keep pushing that phony talking point but 80% of Jewish Americans keep voting for the Democrats like clockwork each election, Ric.
Doesn’t make it any less true, Snippy. Not too many mossbacks waving Hamas flags or sporting keffiyehs from what I’ve seen. Just take your own blame-Israel-first approach and extrapolate.
“You crackers keep pushing that phony talking point but 80% of Jewish Americans keep voting for the Democrats like clockwork each election, Ric.”
Funny the leftist is the first one to throw out a racial slur, but somehow typical.
I’ll chill if you will, Sdferr. Your post mixed with some other crap I’ve been looking at to set me off. I think we’ve been exchanging views long enough to know that we consider most of the same things to be “downrange”.
Yah, monky (although it wasn’t my post you were replying to), and I even know why. You’ll be assuring them that they’re being protected from Elmer Gantry when you load them on the boxcars, won’t you?
Regards,
Ric
The most sense that David Gregory has made yet. Absolute silence would get him to near normal territory.
Is nipply under the impression that Indian tech workers are liberals?
They tend to be pretty conservative as a group, both fiscally and socially, sometimes to an extreme (I knew some Indian guys in grad school who had a little Ayn Rand reading circle going). They’re also grateful to be in a place where their talents and hard work are rewarderd.
Of course, the idea that Steyn is keeping some deserving coder from getting a green card is ridiculous on its face, anyway. Green cards (and, more to the point, H1B visas) don’t work that way.
Doesn’t make it any less true, Snippy.
When in comes to the question of who is anti-semitic in America, I’ll take the word of Jewish Americans over the word of a group of self-interested right wing extremist, Jeffy.
But please do keep pushing such obvious and laughable lies, I understand maintaining the cocoon is far more important that winning elections to you guys these days.
*sigh* still not getting it…
Parsnip,
I would guess that more anti-semites are on the left than on the right these days. That doesn’t mean most, or even a large fraction, on the left are anti-semitic; they aren’t. So there’s really no contradiction; no reason to suggest that when Jews vote liberal, they’re giving you their word that anti-semites don’t find a more congenial home on the modern left.
Did Parsnip ever provide that itinerary of all his European visits?
If it were left up to the Hamas-holes, then everyone in Gaza would befair game to become martyrs for the holy faith and Allah(PBUH)…
Everyone except, of course, the leaders of Hamas…
What the Palestinians need to do is reject Hamas as the street gang that they are, instead of embrace them as political leaders…
Parsnip,
Give us a list of your passport validations please…
Me, I got plenty…Some with the little green card; and some unvalidated…
But then, it’s hard to find a customs official to stamp your papers when you’re doin’ high mach numbers over enemy airspace…
Wow, it’s nice to see thoare waving a flag and donning a giant neon blinking flag pin in honor of his dad’s military service. It’s too bad that he’s such a consistent fuckwad in mocking and dishonoring the military service of other commenters and their relatives because it fails to offset his sentiments about his father. Fuck that, fuck him.
“But please do keep pushing such obvious and laughable lies”
snippy – That’s the International Answer folks in the pictures at the anti-Israel rallies, correct? They are a noted right wing group, am I correct. Daily Kos is also a noted wingnut site, isn’t it?
When in comes to the question of who is anti-semitic in America, I’ll take the word of Jewish Americans over the word of a group of self-interested right wing extremist, Jeffy.
And what “word” is that, Snippy? With the exception of a few societal rejects clinging to Idaho hillsides, the anti-semitism in America and elsewhere is all on the Left and has been for decades. Please tell me you’re not unaware of this, too.
snippy – Given that only 30% plus of Democrats support what Israel is doing, that makes the rest anti-semites according to your logic, right?
the anti-semitism in America and elsewhere is all on the Left and has been for decades.
Again, Jeffy, I’ll go with the experts on anti-semitism in America instead of the crap you right wing extremists make up for poltical purposes.
I don’t doubt you crackers believe the lie, but that doesn’t make it true.
Tell Rush you want your money back.
daley,
Being against what Israel is doing in gaza doesn’t make you an anti-semite, just a rational human being.
“Being against what Israel is doing in gaza doesn’t make you an anti-semite, just a rational human being.”
snippy – You keep proving your opposition’s points here. Now your are claiming it is irrational for the Israeli to defend themselves. I guess they should just wait for Hamas to wipe them out according to their charter. How is that not anti-semitic again?
Who says what Israel is doing in Gaza is defending them, daley?
Remember, the right wing extremists in Israel created both Hezbollah and Hamas through their childish actions.
I expect Al Qeada will take over Gaza when this latest tantrum is finished.
Or worse.
unicorns?
Look Maggie, pink dancing bunnies!!!
The majority of Jewish Americans vote Democrat.
Are you considered medically retarded?
I won’t go there if you are.
and Democrat = The Left. always? haven’t we had that discussion here a few times? back to squares and rectangles…
You crackers keep pushing that phony talking point but 80% of Jewish Americans keep voting for the Democrats like clockwork each election, Ric.
100% of Jewish Americans have never had a Hamas rocket land in their backyard and none of them worry about suicide bombers on their way to work in the morning. I really don’t give a rats ass who they vote for or why.
Remember, the right wing extremists in Israel created both Hezbollah and Hamas through their childish actions.
I expect Al Qeada will take over Gaza when this latest tantrum is finished.
You hope AQ will take over, you worthless little worm. Israel was founded as a socialist state, Google David Ben Gurion. Google kibbutz you fucking idiot. If your stupidity was tangible you could use it as that Goddamn rocket barrier you advocate.
I expect Al Qeada will take over Gaza when this latest tantrum is finished.
Or worse.
So, are you moving over there?
Or will you run it from here?
Created Hamas and Hezbollah? I’d say they were created by Democrat Jimmy Carter. You know, the one who pulled the usual Democrat stunt of betraying a US ally?
Or are you trying to say that all that wonderful Iranian money has nothing to do with it?
“Of course, a person who’s never been so much as night manager at McDonalds may not be aware of that.”
Indeed. I expect the next few years of my military service to be….interesting.
Wow. So both Thor and Parsnip are arguing that if most American Jews vote Democrat, the majority of anti-semites logically cannot be on the left. (And we’re retarded for saying otherwise.)
Parsnip:
“I’ll take the word of Jewish Americans….”
Presumably you mean, the word of Jewish Americans who already agree with you. Any Jewish Americans here who disagree with you on the matter would be dismissed as wingnuts, right?
thor–sorry to hear about your father.
I’ll keep him and you in my prayers.
Damn. I’m sorry, too, thor; also that I thought to argue before saying so.
Thor’s Dad’s, and my dad’s and anybody else’s parents who served and suffered bestow no military bonafides on their children. They are a great source of pride and knowledge. But if you want the cred scum bag, You gotta serve. That’s the only fucking way you get it. You can have opinions, you can spout anything you want. But you gotta serve.
#106 donald – somewhat. Serving can give some direct experience in some areas, as well as better education in even more. You cannot let it lapse into “I have served, you have not, therefore your opinion means nothing.”
What experience/service can do is provide the context and background to address certain arguments (my favorite is the ‘the only reason people join is they are too dumb and uneducated to get a job’ or ‘killbotz!!11!’)- kind of an ability to smell B.S. when it is proffered too (see just about any of alphie’s military declarations).
You are correct about not being able to ‘inherit’ (“put aside borrowed glories”) credibility based upon family serving – in politics, this leads to Kennedys, heh.
I don’t mean that at all Major John. Every single American citizen, the people who pay the freight is deserving of their opnions and thoughts, and should be free to espouse any and all of it. What I object to is those who haven’t served trying to glom off on those who have. It’s a different experience between growing up around it, and actually doing it. To me anyway.
Thor,
Sorry to hear about your Dad…I’ll remember him in my prayers…
God-willing, it has only come to pass…
Best Wishes
My dad served; I know very little about war and stuff.
But I am sorry about your dad, thor. My thoughts are with you both.
Addendum: He did teach me how to garrot a person and how to remove a person’s eyeball and other helpful things, none of which I’ve had to use. Yet. Also, to eat bugs and snakes and stuff in case I have to, and how to hit the target accurately (I figure I’m set for when the zombies come, anyways.)
ushie:
Remember, do not try to remove a zombie’s eyeball.
It just makes them hungrier…..for your BRAINS!!!!!1111!!
It just makes them hungrier…..for your BRAINS!!!!!1111!!
Cowboy–then I’m totally prepared! I got no brains to call my own…
#113
A new way to classify blog comments-Are the authors safe from zombies or not? I’ve already got my lists.
p i – I am about 80% zombie ready. I need a bit in the more armaments department to be 100%.