After eight solid years of Trooferist howling about teh eeeeeevil BOOOOOOSH REGIME?
Their little crusade won’t go anywhere. But to them that will mean only that the Supreme Court has joined the mainstream media and perhaps Congress in a great conspiracy to put a foreignlike man in the White House to launch a Marxist revolution with the help of his terrorist friends.
For four years, maybe eight, we’ll be hearing their shrill, tedious accusations, their daffy theories rooted in parsing and paranoia. Up until the day Obama’s successor is sworn in we’ll be hearing about his middle nameâ€â€it’s Hussein, have you heard?â€â€and why he shouldn’t be counted as fully American.
I wish we had the luxury to be amused. [Emphasis mine]
“Come, boy, see for yourself. From here, you will witness the final destruction of the Alliance and the end of your insignificant rebellion.”
I don’t think there’s anything to the birth cert business, but it’s funny, isn’t it, especially considering that Atlantic blogger (and conservative voice of reason) Mr. Heartache is still yammering about the Trig coverup? It’s all about teh gory oxen.
Birth certificate wooofers are the new 9/11 twooofers.
I don’t know or care (For the most part, if it turns out he is not a natural born citizen, then he deserves 4 years of howling protest), but I do care about his embrace of the FDR program of failure, and well, everything else. Seeing as how dissent is the highest form of partriotism and all (Not my Naval service, not my respect for the rights of others). I’m going all patriot upside that hack from Chicago 24/7. Because, I’m an American. And now, apparently a real one.
I’ll cherish those pics of your protesting having our troops return home from Iraq. Maybe some Haliburton shareholders will join you.
Psst… thor…. Obama is already waffling on removing all U.S. troops from Iraq, or didn’t you get the memo?
Yep, he buttsurfed you on that one, too.
Heh.
Who cares about Baracky’s provenance he’s a dirty socialist tool is what you need to know. The media elected him and this Chicago Tribune wanker is like some caged vermin test subject what keeps slapping the propaganda smack bar cause his groupthinky Baracky dirty socialist crusade is what’s brought meaning to his shallow dirty no job security having rat-fucked life I think. The Tribune Company. Hah.
Tribune Staff Report: The luxury of dissent is what you do not have. Baracky über alles. I think Chicago wants Baracky to somehow represent a validation of its corrupt criminal fiscal trainwreck polity but cesspools is cesspools and Chicago is not the future. It’s a taxed to the teeth no-job creating crime-ridden welfare city state what will wrap itself in a cocoon of Baracky’s dirty socialist beneficence and the atrophy of its institutions will be staggering and complete I think.
“As ye sow, so shall ye reap.”
You peed in the well. Don’t cry to me about having to drink from it.
I think the whole COLB and birth certificate business is nonsense. At the same time, Baracky could make it all go away by simply producing a live copy of same for inpsection. Alas, he does not, which given his track record of dishonesty, leads me to believe that there is something there. My guess is that it lists their religion as Muslim, but that is just a guess.
I was unaware religion was listed on Birth Certificates.
Techie – Now that I think about it, you are probably right. Note I was just guessing.
American birth certificates don’t list religion I don’t think. Baracky should get one of those kind.
Those who spent most of the 1990s seething that Bill and Hillary Clinton were serial murderers and who devoted the entire 2008 campaign cycle to painting Obama as a mysterious radical aren’t relaxing during the transition.
Much of their energy these days is devoted to the effort to block Obama from assuming the presidency on the grounds that he’s not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States…
The people filing the lawsuits are Clintonites. Do you think Eric Zorn is too stupid to realize this, or is he just dishonest.
Funny how often that question comes up when discussing journalists.
Eric disabled the comments. That’s so Barack Obama’s America.
BMoe – Don’t sell him short. Eric Zorn is both stooopid, and dishonest.
Tony Rezko isn’t a terrorist. He’s merely a moneygrubbing slumlord schmucky felon type, that’s all. Oh, and not the Tony Rezko Baracky knew, of course.
I had a conversation with my sister last night about the birth certificate kerfuffle, wanting to gauge how far the story had spread among people who don’t follow blogs, and how it was viewed. She hadn’t heard about it, but immediately gave it credence. Knowing that I’m a trusted source of information for her, after many years of bludgeoning her over the head with snopes.com, I carefully re-explained the story, making sure she was clear that I had no insider knowledge and that there was only speculation without proof.
We also talked about our experiences with Obama’s supporters during the election, and we both had stories to tell about mistreatment at the hands of people that we’d previously considered decent and rational. She’s taking classes at a local community college and never revealed herself as a McCain supporter to other students or teachers, for fear that her grade would suffer and her lab partners would retaliate by withholding data. She’s never been especially political before, and she’s always been Pollyanna-ish about human nature, so something shifted dramatically in her world view this year.
Maybe she was so willing to believe that Obama wasn’t qualified for the presidency out of wishful thinking, and maybe there’s an element of vengeance in thinking about his supporters being humiliated, I don’t know, but the real problem here isn’t that the right might be indulging themselves in a little fantasy. After all, we’ve had a rough year. The real problem here is the best case scenario, and what it tells us about the man about to become our president.
People keep comparing this to Trig trutherism, but the differences are too obvious to make that comparison valid. The question of Trig’s maternity (wait a minute, let that descriptor soak in, and tell me that it doesn’t beat out all comers in the insanity contest), even if the worst case were true, wouldn’t automatically disqualify Palin as a candidate, as it wouldn’t have been arguably worse than Biden’s plagiarism or the funds that Obama funneled into the pockets of his supporters in Chicago – funds that had been intended for his poorest constituents. Despite that difference, Palin provided a generous amount of proof to make it go away, when she could have, justifiably, told the truthers to mind their own business. Her body, her son, her business, period.
The birth certificate people have an issue that, if true, would disqualify Obama. This would be the time to chuckle good-naturedly and hand over his birth certificate, and then even open up his passport and college transcripts, as a gesture that he won’t hide anything from the American people. It would even be a great PR move. Every other candidate in this race gave the public access to whatever records were requested, even when the contents weren’t flattering, so the pervasive sense that Obama has something to hide keeps growing, even among those whose usually tendencies are to eschew conspiracy theories. I certainly never gave any credence to the birth certificate stories… at the beginning, but now there’s a gnawing question in my mind, and that question grows bigger every day that Obama fights this “nothing to see here, move along” story. Why doesn’t he just release the damn thing and shut them all up? He can’t think that this is more beneath his dignity than the scrutiny that Palin has endured, can he? The problem for me is right there; the very best case scenario is that Obama was born in Hawaii, is absolutely qualified to be sworn in as president, and has the documentation to prove it, but he won’t because he feels that he’s above all that, and doesn’t owe the people that elected him any transparency or accountability. That speaks to a much larger problem than endless legal distinctions of what does or doesn’t constitute a natural born citizen. That speaks to an issue of arrogance and entitlement that’s downright dangerous in an American president.
If Bill Clinton’s arrogance gave us Monica’s dress and ordering attacks on targets that we heard about the day after, and then were only told that he’d done the right thing so we weren’t to question his judgment, what can we expect from a president that refuses to provide any official documentation of anything he claims (beyond his own memoir), and treats questions from the press as presumptions?
Is it any wonder that people are willing to believe that he’s hiding something?
thor has finally fallen into the deep end of insanity.
It can be safely ignored from now on, unless you want to rattle his cage for shits and giggles.
Maybe some Haliburton shareholders will join you.
I hadn’t even thought about Halliburton lately, I wonder when those contracts are up? How many little heads are gonna asplode when Obama starts extending those things?
See, Happyfeet’s a patriot too. And he’s also got truth, which has been sorely missing in the “dissent” of the last 8 years.
IT IS CLINTON PEOPLE BEHIND THE LAWSUIT, MEYA. THEY AREN’T WINGNUTS THEY ARE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.
Sorry to yell, but talking normally doesn’t seem to be working on this topic.
It would have been helpful if the media had demonstrated a willingness to scrutinize Baracky as if he were a for real presidential candidate. This would have assured a lot of these people I think.
Old reliable meya.
1) Say something incredibly stupid.
2) Never back down.
Yelling won’t get it through that thick skull and the veil of ignorance around it. You’re gonna have to use an impact drill.
Because it is trutherism is would not matter if Mr. Obama’s original birth certificate was brought out of the vault and showed to everyone. It would not matter because the next claim would be that the birth certificate was forged. And if it was somehow proven that the paper and ink were that which was used in 1961, then it would merely prove how good the forgery is.
There is no response to trutherism, nothing that can be done to have a truther admit he is wrong – he has to much psychologically invested in his conspiracy. The only response is to treat him with scorn and mockery.
And it won’t ever. This meme has been set in concrete. If anything comes of it, the birth cert., then those “evil wingnut Republicans” are to blame. If nothing comes of it then those “evil wingnut Republicans” are the stupid nuts that brought the whole thing up anyways. It’s a win-win for the left either way.
Conservatives, being good scapegoats, it’s what we do best.
meya – The paranoid style in politics isn’t relegated to just one party or another, it runs through the psychology of the person. Batshit crazy is batshit crazy, period. Roosevelt Letting the Pearl Harbor Attack Happen, Flouridation of Water, the Kennedy Assasination, the Moon Landings, 9/11, Trig Palin’s Birth, Obama’s Birth Certificate – it is all the same. Indulging the truther-type, the politically paranoid is something that any party, any nation will learn to regret. The only response is mockery, scorn – and ignorage.
Who the fuck is this dirty socialist empty-suited unaccomplished metrosexual media confection and what in God’s name is he doing in our White House is still a very good question when it comes to Baracky I think.
Sadly, too many nations not only indulge the politically paranoid, but turn it into their primary national mythos.
“Mikey NTH”
I know. Thats why I responded to this:
“I think the whole COLB and birth certificate business is nonsense. At the same time, Baracky could make it all go away by simply producing a live copy of same for inpsection.”
meya – it Will Not go away even if the original birth certificate is retrieved from the state vault and put up for inspection. That is the problem of dealing with a truther. That original would not be an original, it would be a forgery. Even if scientific testing proved that it was a birth certificate on 1961 paper typed and signed with 1961 typewriters and pens using 1961 ink, it would only prove how good the forgery is!
You cannot argue with a truther, period, end of story. No matter what assinine theory the truther promotes, no matter what political side the truther ostensibly supports. Mock, scorn, ignore.
Indulging a truther is too dangerous to do, for any political party or for any nation.
The lawsuit at the supreme court now is a great example.
The one brought by a Clinton supporting Democrat? Good Allah, meya. Mendoucheous is your middle name.
Rebecca, on the other hand, I like.
Rebecca is very thoughtful.
I don’t care about his birth certificate. I do care about his college and university transcripts and his thesis. If he coughs them up, I’ll be happy. Why, I won’t even ask for the results of his IQ test, his SATs, or his LSATs, which are things we know about EVERY OTHER DAMN CANDIDATE WHO TOOK THOSE TESTS.
If this is all so much hot air why doesn’t BHO just produce his birth certificate. His refusal to do so in the face of multiple law suits is odd to say the least. If you were charged with driving without a license would you allow the cops to drag you to court while keeping your license tucked away in your wallet? The only thing which gives any credence to the charges leveled against him is his refusal to do the one thing which would allay any doubts: produce his birth certificate (vault copy). Nobody who dismisses this as a tinfoil hat conspiracy can give any rational reason why BHO is fighting the court cases instead of just producing his birth certificate. The only rational explanation is (i) he doesn’t have one, at least not an American one or (ii) he has it but it contains some information that is highly damaging to him. I can’t see that any other conclusions are feasible.
Remember what is in question here is a single event, his birth, when and where it occurred. That’s all. This is not the Kennedy assassination, 9/11 attack or global warming, complex events upon which various wide-ranging theories of variable rationality can be built. The guy was either born in Hawaii or he was born some place else. Either way it is quite easy to verify. It is a matter of simple fact that exists in the real world and is independent of politics, bias, personality traits or anything else. Whether those people seeking clarification of BHO’s birth are stalwart citizens standing firmly upon the Constitution or raving lunatics or embittered GOP last-ditchers has no bearing upon the fact of Obama’s birth which exists in time and space quite independently of these considerations.
Why anybody wishing to confirm such a simple fact as someone’s birthplace should be, for that very reason, regarded as a ‘moonbat’, ‘wingnut’ or ‘Truther’ (with all that implies) is puzzling in the extreme. Furthermore, unlike the notion that the US Government was behind 9/11 or the moon landings were faked it’s quite a sane position to suspect that BHO was born somewhere other than the US. After all most of the six billion humans alive at present were born somewhere other than the United States so it’s hardly a unique occurence. One doesn’t need to be ipso facto delusional to believe that Barak Obama may be numbered among this vast multitude. John McCain, for instance, drew his first breath in Panama and nobody thinks this bizarre or completely beyond the pale of reality. What natural law dictates that BHO must have been born on US soil? He could have been born in Kenya as his paternal grandmother declares. Why ever not? Woman have been giving birth in Kenya literally for millennia. Daddy Barak was born there among many others. His mother and her parents could have registered him post factum hoc in order to confer upon the infant the inestimable benefits of American citizenship. This would not be a conspiracy, merely common sense. Any of us in the same position would do the same. No big deal.
Remember back in 1961 the only bizarre, off the wall thing about little Barry’s birth would have been the notion that Ann Dunham had just brought into the world the 44th President of the United States. Such an idea would surely have earned anyone the ‘Wingnut Of The Year Award’ back then!
BHO’s colorful circumstances, footloose, hippyesque mother, Kenyan father, Indonesian adoptive father, residence and schooling in Indonesia, transfer to grandparents’ care in Hawaii are a fruitful field for the production of legal technicalities that subsequently bar BHO from the Presidency under the ‘natural born citizen’ provision quite independently of his place of birth. Indeed when you look at his history dispassionately it would be something of a miracle if his eligibility was not compromised in some fashion or other. The ‘natural born’ clause is extremely restrictive and was designed to be so quite deliberately by the Founding Fathers of a fledgling and essentially weak Republic in the teeth of the World Superpower of the time. They had a horror of divided allegiance and sought to prevent someone entering upon the Presidency who did not owe complete and absolute loyalty to the Republic.
BHO could be held to have been born with dual citizenship on account of his father. This would violate the ‘natural born’ precondition which is nothing if not a prohibition on dual citizenship in relation to the qualification to hold the Presidency. If he were born outside the US the obstacles to his eligibility multiply.
The ‘natural born’ clause is part of the Constitution itself and thus is not affected by any subsequent legislation re citizenship. Nor does the 14th Amendment make any difference as this does not address the issue of Presidential eligibility.
Thus it can be seen that BHO may have significant obstacles to his eligibility. These obstacles are legal; tho’ technical they are very real. The Supreme Court is the forum established by the Constitution to trash out such questions and may indeed do so. One way or another the issue needs to be clarified by the SCOTUS or by Constitutional Amendment or by both.
At issue here is not Obama’s democratic mandate. He has democratic legitimacy. However he may not have legal standing tp assume the office to which he was elected. This is a serious problem. If he becomes president under a legal cloud and it subsequently emerges that he was constitutionally barred from so doing, all his acts and those of his subordinates can be challenged in court. This applies also to any Congressional Bills he will have signed. The prospect is appalling.
I repeat: this is not a partisan issue but a constitutional one; it is a very grave situation; and it needs clearing up as soon as possible.
If Baracky and his woman weren’t so America-hatey and gruesomely socialist and supportive of the America invented AIDS set then I don’t think this would resonate so much but you want to redistribute my shit to your shiftless ACORN friends I don’t think a birth certificate is too much to ask for.
I see that meya will push forward with her wingnut lawsuit meme brought by Dems, facts be damned. It is like the fucking nishit in that regard. Plus, it blames Wal Mart for the actions of a bunch of assholes.
meya just went back in the troll bin.
meya, we’re already familiar with the argument that Protein Wisdom is an “attractive nuisance.” We’re still trying to build a mile-high balloon fence around it.
meya – We understand you quite well. There is no such thing as individual or personal responsibility in this world, and Wal Mart had to know in advance that a bunch of people purportedly in line to buy Christmas presents could not be expected to act as civilized people. Racist.
Clinton supporters are wingnuts.
I didn’t know that the guy killed was a sex predator. Serves him right, then.
How come, in your head, it follows that just because you can think a thing after the fact you reach the facile conclusion that someone else could, nay, must have thought the thing before the fact, meya?
That is one of the biggest piles of idiocy I have read from you, meya, which is no small feat. We must protect everyone from everyone and everything, at all times, at the expense of all of the evil corporations. We cannot expect people to act civilized with a sale going on.
“I didn’t know that the guy killed was a sex predator. Serves him right, then.”
He did want to become a priest. An atheist priest with no moral code.
“How come, in your head, it follows that just because you can think a thing after the fact you reach the facile conclusion that someone else could, nay, must have thought the thing before the fact, meya?”
Yes. Crowd control, I’m the one who came up with that.
“We cannot expect people to act civilized with a sale going on.”
We can’t even expect that our buildings wont get hit by planes. Shocking world we live in.
The choice facing the Supreme Court boils down to civil unrest to protect the Constitution or civil war to proceed to ‘inaugurate’ a non-â€Ânatural born citizenâ€Â.
Not that his desire to become a priest is in any way relevant, but did the crowd know that? Since it was not the reason he was trampled to death, I have to assume, like always, that you are just deflecting from an indefensible and senseless position you have taken. It is aggressively mendoucheous. I blame Sam Walton for founding a company that has sales. He must be sued. Anyone, except the people that could not control their own actions because of the little yellow smiley faces.
Goodness knows, a US citizen shouldn’t have standing to see the Constitution enforced by a court of law.
One has to go out of their way, exert effort, to be as mendoucheous as meya and parnsips/sniffles/alphtard.
Oh, it’s meya’s personal universe of salient facts and we’re just renting it out for the purpose of watching her create it as it unfolds for the time being.
Gotcha.
“Goodness knows, a US citizen shouldn’t have standing to see the Constitution enforced by a court of law.”
Here’s a nice Scalia opinion on standing for you to devour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujan_v._Defenders_of_Wildlife
meya is the runaway leader for Mendoucheous Twatwaffle of the Day.
What part of the Constitution contains the Endangered Species Act of 1973?