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I remember seeing an ad more than a decade ago on CNN for Pakistan. Really. It was like a business promotion you might see for a state (“Come to Michigan!”), but for Pakistan! I’m guessing anyone who invested back then has had “issues” since.
Anyone wanna do me a favor and sum this up for me? I am at work and do not feel confortable clickin on a link from LGF.
Pakistan’s Death Industry
World | Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:14:34 am PST
An opinion piece in Germany’s Der Spiegel has some clear insight into the Mumbai atrocities: India Is Pointing in the Right Direction.
For years a kind of death industry has been taking hold in Pakistan’s tribal areas. There are hundreds of Koranic schools which could better be described as cadet schools for Islamists. Boys as young as five are sent here by their impoverished parents. The state provides hardly any free education; the schools that exist are poorly equipped. Children learn the Koran by heart in Arabic, often without understanding a word. After all they speak Pashtun, not Arabic.
The idea is to condition or brainwash them. The goal is jihad. As young men these warriors are given military training which underscores their so-called spiritual training.
Anyone who doubts the existence of this death-machinery can visit the hundreds of schools just a few hours’ drive from Quetta, near Afghanistan’s border. To get there one has to pass checkpoints and roadblocks erected by the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence agency. The ISI carefully protects this region, which might be described as an extended barracks for jihad, interspersed with rural villages. Why? No one in Islamabad seems willing to answer that question.
LGF links to <a href=”http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,593415,00.html”Der Spiegel opinion piece titles “India Is Pointing in the Right Direction,” quotes following section:
Charles links a Der Spiegel article here.
Death industry, yep. Teaching them to put themselves into inextricable positions where they can die prematurely and pointlessly, barking unintelligible Arabic phrases and if they’re lucky (from their point of view) taking with them some unspecified other, oddly enough, most often their co-religionists, surplus drones for G-d that they are.
Thanks.
There’s also this:
Father of Mumbai gunman, Azam Amir Kasab, ‘paid by terrorists to hand him over’
This time, with link:
LGF links to Der Spiegel opinion piece titles “India Is Pointing in the Right Direction,”….
All those schools are funded by our friends, the Saudis, and their fellow oil barons in the Gulf.
They call it “charity.” Their definition of charity differs from mine.
Pakistan is nearly a failed state —
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Pakistan recently had to be taken under the wing of the IMF. The state is as good as bankrupt. Its political leadership is either corrupt or — when it comes to the military-intelligence service complex — almost without influence.
And somewhere in Pakistan, nuclear weapons are stored.
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From a political point of view Pakistan is nearly a failed state.
Can someone explain the repeated use of “nearly” in the first and last sentences quoted here?
More looney tunes from Pak-land. Link goes to Times of India article “Pak TV channel says 26/11 hatched by Hindu Zionists”.
B Moe,
Can someone explain the repeated use of “nearly†in the first and last sentences quoted here?
Editing error, I suppose.
I guess “nearly” means “in comparison to Zimbabwe”.
Man, if you are in the mood for some absurd google “Hindu Zionists”.
Hindu Zionists.
Hindu Zionists.
Just when I think Islamist fantasies can’t get any weirder…
I read an article a few years ago that described the Islamist conspiracy theory as “New York Kosher Delhi” — the US, Israel, and India.
It’s the jihad, stupid.
Are you sure about that comma, Pablo?
“The Age of Sacred Terror” by Simon and Benjamin traces this virtual lockstep of Madrassa education back to Benazir Bhutto’s daddy. When he bankrupted the country back in the 70’s through incompetence and corruption the public education system collapsed. What Der Spiegel is describing in the tribal areas is rampant throughout the entire country. The Saudis and other Gulf states have had 40 years to build the Madrassa system (which goes back to the mid 1800’s and the founding of the Deobandi School) and finance the rote indoctrination of children into the Quran and Wahhabism.
The end result is insular religious fanatics who have been taught to hate and welcome death as a reward for service.
So, should we fund schools where they learn math and science and stuff?
Wouldn’t help, except to give them more capable bomb-makers. You have to replace the jihadi stuff, not just supplement it.
OK. Boarding schools, with walls. Inside, a nice mosque they can visit. Jihadi clerics not allowed.
I’m trying to get to a place that doesn’t end in “flat, glassy area that glows in the dark.”
The irony is that the students are denied a broad education to turn them into splodeydope quran-centric automatons while getting their marching orders from, for the most part, highly educated true believers.
I’d say ultimately whether you can get there or not JohnAA, will depend on whether the jihadis will agree to go along with you or choose instead to force your hand. You (we, actually) won’t necessarily be able to determine the outcome all on our own.
True enough, Sdferr. As a nation, we’ve been much more “understanding” of this kind of garbage than any nation would have been in the past. But we have limits, and these guys seem intent on finding what, precisely, those limits are.
Hunh. I’d be happier with RTO Trainer’s take on the subject — and happier yet with the establishment of the Heart’s Desire Task Force a/k/a Campaign to Fill Paradise, whose goal it is to see to it that every Islamist is granted his dearest wish — and the virgins of Paradise are working three shifts.
Regards,
Ric
I am thinking more seriously about hitting them where they live: start taking out their sacred sites, rub their noses in the fact that Allah as they see him is not all powerful. Jackhammer that rock off the temple mount, take down that mosque and let the Jews rebuild The Temple, they were there first, after all. Make it clear that any bullshit will be answered by leveling Mecca. Then Medina, then anywhere else we fucking choose. They have no say in the matter.
Ric, that’s similar to the attitude of some WWII Marines. One told my dad that they saw themselves as a religious movement: the Japanese wanted to die for their emperor, so the Marines made that come true.
B Moe, Saudi authorities have actually leveled many Islamic historical places, in the name of stopping “idolatry.”
John, my father wasn’t a Marine, but he reported the same attitude.
It’s the only way that works. We know that because we had the ideal, once upon a time — the Celts, particularly, and there was always the Roman bit about “with your shield or on it.” But, well, people do say that white Europeans are the most violent people on Earth, and it’s absolutely true. What they don’t mention is that most of what we do today is the customs and practices of the survivors, after we did to one another the worst we could manage.
We don’t have suicide troops today because we already killed them all off, just as they said they wanted. Time to break the rest of the world of that nonsense by giving them precisely what they ask for.
Regards,
Ric
If you were a budding splodey dope and your choices were Somalia or Pakistan, which would you choose?
Ric, have you read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s books? Carnage and Culture in particular, but he has several on the subject of how and why Western / American warfighting techniques ended up the way they did.
No, SDN, I haven’t read anything of VDH but what’s on line.
Details don’t matter all that much. What’s important is that we’ve tested everything — imperialism, warmongering, slavery, the whole lot — on one another before subjecting the rest of the world to it. Suffering under the yoke of Imperialism, are ye? Well, the Romans kept it up for half a thousand years, and we got over it. NFL football to violent and competitive? Yah. Some of the ancient Greeks had war as an intercity competitive sport, complete with paramutual betting, team colors and mascots, and provision for paying spectators. There are few if any instances of white Europeans treating other peoples as cruelly as we treated one another, not all that long ago.
Regards,
Ric
#26 Ric Locke:
My little brother wrote an article for SWJ.
Here it is – again:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/mag/2008/11/fear-and-loathing-in-wazirista.php
#30 Ric Locke:
The Spartans were ‘with your shield or on it’; the Romans were ‘sow the fields with salt’.
The hoplon was a heavy shield to carry, and if you were running you dropped it. The Romans dealt with the Cartheginians by annhilation.
Like so much else Greek, the Romans
stoleborrowed the shield quote.Mikey,
I do get confused sometimes.
And I don’t recall: Did the Romans, Republic or Empire, repeat the tactic used at Carthage? ISTM that it was the moral equivalent of the A-Bomb — something that horrified the perpetrators almost as much as it did their enemies.
Tell your little brother that I highly recommend a study of the work of Joseph Goebbels (on line here), not for content but for technique. His paper is good, obviously well-researched, but would be made more forceful by adopting some of the methods of the 20th Century’s master of the polemic essay.
Regards,
Ric
#37 Ric:
He has stuff on Goebbels already.
I don’t recall them ever doing that again, although they eventually cleaned up the site and built a Roman city there.