Had PJM put me on this panel.
Man, would the sparks ever fly!
— Which, now that I think about it, is likely why I’m not on that panel.
Well, that, and I haven’t been blogging very long, and don’t have much name recognition in the conservative portion of the blogosphere.
But that’ll change when established conservative pundits wake from their slumbers one morning to find that their safes have been blown wide open, and their women run off to join my merry band of pranksters.
OUTLAW!
Are you sure you’re not covered by “and more”?
I don’t know man, you just can’t beat the internet cred of a Mike Huckabee. That dude’s all over AOL. “I’m Huckabee, I kiss you!” Hilarious!
You know what would be cooler? If Reynolds had a bad headcold and had to stay home under heavy medication and his wife went to the panel and inexplicably decided she needed to become a nympho and I was the only guy handy. The over/under on that action has not been posted at this time.
What would you say if you were on the panel?
It’s all superficialities, Jeff.
Get a paunch, a bad tie and a stupid hat, and that’s when the PJ tv come’s a knockin’. That or be really, really stiff and have hydraulic eyebrows. (There are kits, I saw them on Bong Boing.) Or cross your legs with the proper simp of Minnesotan. Or maybe mix up your vowel sounds.
Not that I shouldn’t keep highDef TV far, far away from me.
I’ve been commenting here since 2002, and no one gives a rat’s ass. There ain’t no justice, I tell ya.
One conservative. There’s one conservative there to discuss the future of conservatism with two almost-stereotypical libertarians and a big-government populist.
Why not bring Howard Dean to the party, too?
Yeah, that’s quite the crowd alright.
I think they would end calling the police on you.
^up
You need a fedora to prove you’re a company man.
Why watch PJM when YouTube is much more accessible?
Funny to see PJTV go the way of the dinosaur so soon.
…I mean, go back that far, and Andrew Northrup was downright friendly.
Oh, and Yglesias hadn’t yet had his head inflated to the size of an Echo 2 satellite.
Oh, and holy shit: Jim Henley. Memory lane, how it has changed.
I think its time we name what cannot be named: that Jeff has been shut out of this due to anti-semitism.
There, I said it.
that, and you maybe are a risk for grabbing Malkin’s tit at the reception.
I thinks it my anarchist anti-management stance, mcgruder. Which puts me at risk of siding with neo-Nazis.
Thing is, my boots are cooler, and I don’t dress in anybody’s uniform. So fuck that noise.
I’m thinking of buying some Dubarry’s while exchange rates are favorable. Less the Vat it seems a good deal. But I can’t seem to figure out the tariff.
My uggs aren’t very outlawy
Waterproof riding boots are outlaw boots, right? I mean, their Irish.
They’re. Just testing the outlaw spelling.
Jeff, I think you need to blow some shit up, and then express your sorrow at how The Man had it coming. That way media adoration lies.
Where are the conservatives (plural) on that panel? And can anyone justify Helen Smith being on that panel once you ignore the fact that she’s Glenn’s wife?
And holy crap PJTV is a technological nightmare. Why can’t they post to Hulu or YouTube with ads like the big boys do? It’s easier on us and their viewership would go way up. As it is YouTube has 14-year olds telling fart jokes who get more viewers than PJTV.
Oh, wow. I completely forgot that I, for reasons I cannot recall, posted comments as “Fleming Ayniss” for a brief spell in mid-2002. Wierd.
U shaped fence staples = face time.
It’s in beta – and you better get while the gettin’s good or you will be SHUT OUT! From all of the hydraulic eyebrows. Which, are getting more flexible every day.
Get a Baracky poster, all crumpled-like and stand on it.
Outlaw boots?
Get some Israeli paratrooper boots. Gonna be collector’s items in 4 years, I bet.
Huckabee on a panel about the future is patronizing and sad and if Huckabee is on the panel about the future then there is no future and it’s dirty socialists all the way down. He’s a disgustingness what thinks he’s charming but he’s not charming he’s a stupid jiggly jello mold with weird shit in it no one wants to eat and everyone’s like who brought that crap.
Yeah, Slart, I was having some nostalgia from when Yglesias and Atrios both used to comment here, too.
OT: But, when Jeff wrote, “OUTLAW!”, all I could think was “SuperStar!” by Molly Shannon
I don’t even have to look at it to know it was performance art. “What is the future of conservatism, you ask? Why, we’ve brought together this panel of people who aren’t conservative to tell you. And that, my friends — that is the future of conservatism! But, we’re still going to make you sit through the whole thing because what’s performance art without a performance?”
Here’s a rather busy exchange, for back then, featuring a sane-ish Richard Bennett. For those of you that doubt that Richard Bennett was ever anything but a pathetic troll, here’s your evidence.
Dunno what happened to that guy. But that was back when Ken Layne wasn’t barking mad, so I guess things have changed.
The aging brain, I think, accounts for it.
I clicked on your link, Slart. It was a bit disorienting what with everyone signing their (presumably) real names or blog names and no jackass trolls. Weird.
Yeah. Things changed rather dramatically between then and, say, this point in time. Which is one of my favorite posts, ever. I have it tattooed in a very small font in a tight spiral around my left nipple, so close to my heart is it.
And nothing I cared, at my sky-blue trades, that time allows . . .
Who can be in this “merry band of pranksters”?
What kind of qualifications are required? any disqualifiers?
Will there be pie?
Will the pranksters at any point be flinging poo at or on Harry Reid? Pelosi?
Do we get cool Outlaw names? If so, I call James “Scat” Ironrod.
#34 a bit off on a tangent… Because the sky is blue…
We know the clouds are coming. It was lovely when we didn’t know.
Sigh….
Slarts: great link…Rand Simberg, Megan McCardle, jeff…wow. the tubes were much less tribal then. Dunno that fellow Bennett, but I’ll beleive that he is a troll. Ken Layne has literally become standalone barking fucking mad, BTW.
I think the core of it is that things politically simply got hard, and hardened. Pre-Iraq, the broad right-of-center coalition was quite necessary and saw enough in each other that led to a coalition of the willing.
Not only the Iraq war fractured this though. When I first Megan at a right-wingsers in media drinks thing, she was working in an investment bank and blogging on the down low. Now, she is an insider.
But mostly it was Iraq. Around late ’05, it became abundantly clear that we were begining to lose the war, were taking big casualties and that the WH was spinning total shit. The Libertarians, who were never totally into Bush’s traditional social mores–and pegged him for what he fundamentally is, namely an old-time liberal democrat, on economic issues–found that really easy cover for which to abandon the GOP for the comfort of the woods.
Course, the collapse of the economy didnt force anybody inclined to read Cato’s bulletins to revisit their “dangerous” vote for Obama.
Outlaw names?
“Toolmouth Spitter McSharpheels”
“Comment by sylvie_oshima on 11/18 @ 1:10 pm #
What would you say if you were on the panel?”
I know I’d say, “Why don’t you do everyone a favor and just fuck off, kate?”
Man, would the sparks ever fly!
rrrREEEEEEERRRrrrrr! Phhhhttt!
You should record that little circlejerk and replay it here after editing in a few comments.*
*and yes, in this case rude fart noises can count as intelligent retorts.
Have this guy join in the panel discussion.
Pros don’t usually get invited to college scrimmage games. When they do it’s because someone wants a “ringer” on their team.
I was out, so it gave happyfeet a chance to be the first to call Hucklebucklechuckle as he sees him: a rat-toothed lard-boy, whose hard-on for Mitt Romney is tucked away ever so snuggly under one of his perma-flubber rolls.
So I guess all that’s left for me is to pile on.
Huckabee is a fleeb.
“Huckabee is a fleeb.”
Flabby Hebrew? Nah, that can’t be it.
OK, I’m slow. Hint?
Hint?
It’s my own, afaik, kelly. I came up with it back in the 70’s. I’m trying to bring it back.
flaming dweeb might be the combo.
Slartibartfast, I had forgotten how many of those people used to read here (I forget when I started, but it was probably around the time Jeff returned from wherever he went, and someone like Mike at cold fury mentioned it). I had also forgotten how many other “name” bloggers used to comment here. I think the whole blogging thing was much smaller then. Or something.
I dunno Jeff, maybe I’ve just gone over to the Outlaw! side and stuff…
I’d rather listen to you and MM skewer the RINO’s and proggs…
And, while he’s glib and all-good for a few yuks; does anyone take Huk-el-bee seriously..?
I know I don’t…
I mean, if he’s the future of Republicanism…Count.me.out…
Salad days, and all that. The bloggoverse has gotten so stiff and commercial. It’s a natural progression, I suppose, what with the money-making and the pruning and the commoditization. But it used to be hella funner and you never knew what was going to pop up next.
I cling bitterly to illusory fixed points of outlawness.
What a coincidence. Just as the country has elected a radically left leaning, naive, dangerously inexperienced Democrat to the Oval office. What are the odds, man?
Here’s a song for all outlaws: Highwayman
Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Waylon Jennings, and Johnny Cash – what a legendary lineup.
When Malkin made the scene you could sort of see the beginning of the end. Also the Schiavo period seemed to ring in the burnout.
I wanna like Malkin just on general principles, but over the last two years she’s just about completed her move in with that bottle-blonde bucket of antlers, Coulter.
Put Jeff and P.J. O’Rourke on that panel with Huckleberry. He’d feel like Ned Beatty in Deliverence.
“SQUEAAAL FAT BOY!”
Ah, I remember way back when, in late 2001, when I first got on the blogs. It was much more free-wheeling. And it was different – so many opinions, so much analysis. Coming from an MSM news/opinion world into this. Fisking the ponderous dinosaurs of the press – that was a joy to read, especially in those days after September 11, when the old guard of the press got past their initial shock and went into their standard ‘blame the US/West’, ‘we must negotiate’ stances. And then someone like Jeff or SDB would take them apart.
Now, so many have become part of the establishment, man. They sold out!
But not here, man. Not here.
I have been fortunate enough to work in a building that seems to attract Republican nominees, including John McCain. I always find it odd that when I show up for work and all these people are standing around that I do find myself thinking, “these are not my kind of people”. The Republicans are still too deep in the church ladies panties. I am not sure what they can do to get out of them or even if they should.
Of course when I hear “Libertarian” pals of mine shoot off five democrat talking points about Palin in five minutes I am not sure if they are “my people” anymore either.
“Now, so many have become part of the establishment, man. They sold out!
But not here, man. Not here.”
If, Anonnimity + Audience = Douchebag *
(*see thor)
Then, Conservative Pundit + Camera Time = Sell Out
You still see the Byron Yorks or Stanley Kurtzs doing heavily researched, honest journalistic stuff from the conservative end, but there’s very few of those guys. They get guest spots on some FoxNews show, but they don’t embelish, or spew talking points. Just report what they find and what they think what they found does or might mean. That shit don’t fit the far left Liberal vs. angry Conservative talking head flame war (ratings grabbing) narrative anymore. The Malkin types love them some poo flinging flame war. They just want O’Reilly’s desk or Hannity’s chair so some adoring fan will call them a fucking “great American.” That’s it.
I dig it here because actual positions/arguments/principles/opinions are fleshed out, supported, debunked, made fun of, or fucking ripped asunder.
You throw better chum in the water, you get much bigger sharks.
Obama is gonna need a bigger boat.
I will say, the only guy who came out of the intertube wilderness and got him a show on Fox and didn’t change a damn lick, is Greg Gutfeld. 3am? Ok. Fine. Fuck it. Just keep your dumbass producers the fuck away from my show. Love that guy.
The Jim Rall rant is a good one. So is the leftist boilerplate. My personal fav, as I’ve mentioned before, is the one where Jeff celebrated Eminem’s b-day by rapping at a park. Good times.
Slart’s got me beat by, like, years. I’ve only been around for about four-and-a-half years. I don’t know when I started commenting regularly.
Does Greg Gutfield still do that secret-blog thing on Huffpo? You know, you clicked the “about me” thing or something and he’d write all kinds of crazy shit.
The Malkin heralded beginning-of-the-end was less “I don’t like Malkin”, than “here comes the commercial-platform , heavy footprint putsch.”
So, like, should OUTLAW commenters start overrunning the PJM mailboxes demanding more Goldstein content?
“Does Greg Gutfield still do that secret-blog thing on Huffpo? You know, you clicked the “about me†thing or something and he’d write all kinds of crazy shit.”
Nah. Not so much anymore. Great gags run their course. He’s pretty much frying bigger fish (and making Al Gore cry by using a carbon emmiting iron skillet, polar bear tears, Alaskan crude oil, and baby seal blubber to fry those fish).
I heard Huckabee on Boortz the other day, and I do have to give the dude props for talking about actual ideas. He is not afraid to discuss political philosophies and explain exactly why he believes what he does and how his mind works. I don’t agree with much of it, but it is so rare these days for a politician to even discuss these things.
“So, like, should OUTLAW commenters start overrunning the PJM mailboxes demanding more Goldstein content?”
Fuck them. Let ’em die on the vine. It’s fun being the counter culture. I’d prefer this joint stay a big, hidden, but inviting wooden door in some dirty back alley, with a velvet rope across the entry, and a little bit of red carpet down. Jeff’s Classical Liberal/ Conservative Libertarian, Prohabition “Speakeasy.”
Well drinks are just $2.50.
Dr Helen:Conservative:Judy Blume:Faulkner
Good to know I haven’t been juggling mallets for nothing.
“Good to know I haven’t been juggling mallets for nothing.”
Well…cowboy up and start juggling chainsaws.
You have to have goals.
Malkin is very cool and down to earth. She loves her family, and is very dedicated to exposing what she believes are the dirty little secrets of “liberalism” — as well as holding supposed “conservatives'” feet to the fire.
It would be fun to ask Huckabee how conservatism tracks with his anti-fat nannystatism. I hear the Chinese don’t much care for an obese population, either.
I dunno Jeff. The O’Reilly guest host stuff? Really? She’s smarter than that. That’s Coulter shit. She’s still “there” in spirit. I can tell because of her links. Her links are the only reason I hit her site anymore. She links you and a lot of other really good stuff. But she’s pretty much gone Hannity.
Of course she’s a good gal & loves her family, but for Michelle, dirty liberal secrets = unfleshed raw red button meat on blog = her raging on O’Reilly. She was awesome on Harriet Miers and has been good on immigration, but…
…sorry, I was watching Juno on Cinemax but it ended and porn came on…I got distracted…
…what were we taliking about?
Oh yeah, Malkin. She’s alright I guess.
I gotta go.
I don’t mean to come across as knocking Malkin, far from it. Its just that her blog was big rock in the water, and ambitious from day one. A rock with a bow-wave of changes to come.
And, there goes SarahW… All “Malkin” wobbly on me in the middle of really bad Cinemax soft-core porn… when I can’t concentrate.
Its mostly that Malkin just can’t help jumping in with both feet all the time.
That’s great, except…
…sometimes she lands square in a puddle of shit.
And then doubles down.
Jumping up and down trying to turn shit to velvet.
Huckabee? On a Conservatism 2.0 panel? You’ve got to be kidding me. He’s got “compassionate conservative like Dubya” written ALL over him. Puh-Leeze. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but umm, No thanks.
I only watch PJM for “teh Whittle” anyway.
Me, I’m with baxtrice. PJM will die on the vine with this sort of programming… but I will tune in for Whittle. Without him, I dunno why I would bother with the uber-sucky video “interface” that is about an order of magnitude less user-friendly than YouTube.
The big problem with a line-up like this, and the reason JG isn’t anywhere near it is because they’re not really asking any question about the future direction of Conservatism. If they were, there would be voices from various areas of what makes up the movement–not this squishy, nougat-y middle.
…and I gotta give MM some props, ’cause one of her posts led me here years ago.
Oh, and Jeff, OUTLAW boots gots points on ’em.
Good for stomping liberals when they hide in the corner of the room.
Unfortunately the conservative tent has gotten too big. Social conservatives and country club republicans dominate.
Let’s put the social conservatives out to pasture left to wander in the wilderness between “lesser evil” choices. Take the country club types [Paulson et al] impersonating Nelson Rockefeller and George Bush the elder and kick their asses out.
Goldwater was the founder and leader of the conservative movement. The MSM has relegated him to the dust bin of history and we let them. He hated the eastern liberal elite and couldn’t give two rips about social issues outside his own. Dare I say Libertarian Conservative? That’s what we need more of.
AUH20, you seem to be suffering from a perpetual wedgie. You need to get over the 4 years of high school you spent swallowing toilet water during gym class.
Er, ok Mossberg, is there a point beyond the smarmy insult?
AUH20- the whole “shove the socialcons out to pasture” reeks of leftist talking points. That’s what they’re advising us to do, out of the goodness of their hearts, don’tyouknow. What they truly want is for Republicans to keep reaching for that “moderate” label, like they did with McCain. Which, you know, worked out so well.
Socialcon control of Republicans is the paranoid fantasy of the left.
I tell you what – conservatives can shun the social conservatives when the democrats repudiate their “Bush Lied, People Died” crowd.
Carin, it’s a libertarian talking point. I could care less about leftists. Like others would like to limit the government from my life.
That’s hardly leftist.
Strange thing is the GOP is so hung-up on social issues. I could care less about trying to make people follow certain lifestyles whether mandated by PC leftists or the religious right. Just get the fuck off my cloud!
So long as the GOP panders to the Huckabees of this world we’ll be wandering in the desert. That’s it.
And which lifestyles is the GOP forcing on you?
Forcing you to not eat trans-fat?
Taking away the right to decide if you would like to allow smoking in your establishment?
Redistributing your wealth?
Forcing you to accept gay marriage?
Denying the right of a fetus to life up until the moment of delivery?
You know that at the end of the day, this is a numbers game, right AUH20? Shunning large groups of people won’t work. Convincing them to focus on core principles might. And of course, there will always be fringes, on both sides. You can’t allow them to be used to define the whole.
How about
thoughtcrime hate crime? Who pushes that? Which side was it that said executing people for murder wasn’t good enough because it didn’t address their motive?How about
thoughtcrimehate crime? Who pushes that? Which side was it that said executing people for murder wasn’t good enough because it didn’t address their motive?Stupid HTML.
I was going to add that one, Pablo.
The call to jettison the SoCOns is really more of the “lets move to the middle” crap that lost us the election. And yet..and yet…
The SoCons are not helping out by supporting more Christian Socialism ala Bush and Huckabee.
Funny stuff but one sided.
I guess you just don’t understand a libertarian conservative’s views.
Erm, don’t you think I know my arguments were one-sided? That was sort of the point.
But, why don’t you go and explain those “libertarian conservative” views with a special focus on what lifestyle the Socialcons are forcing on you.
The only “right” I know of that the GOP wants to curtail that sets them apart from Democrats is abortion on demand. Both parties support the war on (some)drugs. Both parties oppose gay marriage, regardless of whatever verbal slurping lip-service they give the teh gheys.
But really, the lifestyle police has been taken over by the nannystate Democrats in the name of “healthcare”. This is their Progressive impulses coming to the fore, as they claim to be smarter than the rest of us and need to run our lives for us, or they tout “the cost of healthcare” like theyve ever given a shit about controlling the cost of any government program outside of defense spending.
So, when republicans were in total power, I don’t recall any pogroms against gay people or attempts to outlaw them. I do recall lots and lots of success by leftists Dems to outlaw transfats, second hand smoke, restrict the second amendment, seeking to restrict public speech ala the “Censorship doctrine” and Shumer equating conservative talk radio with pornography, criminalizing political policy differences, criminalizing thoughts via “hate speech” laws and campus speech codes, trying to outlaw the production of CO2. etc etc.
So, what is this SoCon boogyman about again?
I’ve applied that label to myself for about a decade, so I suspect I do understand them. At least, I understand mine.
I disagree with some of the issues that are important to social conservatives. I agree with them on many, many more. The odds that the most extreme social conservatives will get their wishes enacted are near-zero; the odds that compromises will be reached are pretty good.
The odds that the things I want to see happen will without having the help of social conservatives is near-zero. With them along, the odds improve quite a bit, particularly when so many of their complaints could be answered by getting government out of areas is doesn’t belong.
The odds that social conservatives will help block things I do not want to happen are increased if I help them block things they don’t want to happen. If fiscal and national security conservatives refuse to help, say, block federal funding for abortions, why should social conservatives help to block card check?
“I guess you just don’t understand a libertarian conservative’s views.”
Niether do you slick.
How are the social cons harshing your buzz? Hit us with your oh so cool version of “conservative libertarianism.”
What? Legalize weed?
Oxygen bars on every corner?
Subcribe to Reason?
Vote Ron Paul?
What?
Dazzle us.
Nicely said Rob.
Abortion? Enough of the public want it legal and the law makes it so. Fine. Taxpayer funded? Up yours.
Separation of church and state? You bet. Separation of church FROM state. No.
War? No toes in the water. Bribe ’em, bomb ’em, subvert ’em, or leave them the hell alone.
Who let the dogs out?
What I stated was clear enough. I don’t care about most social issues that social conservatives are obsessed with period. I think that focus drags everything else conservatives stand for down.
So, you don’t care about the issues you claim to care about enough to compromise on issues you say you don’t care about.
Well, good luck with that AUH20. You don’t care about SoCon’s social issues, but what about those of the left’s? I’m hoping you are equally repulsed by those. That leaves you with one option. Wander the desert alone.
As I said, good luck with that.