How Obama got elected:
I’d add my piece about voters being conditioned by many of our institutions to respond to certain ideological cues and easy political bromides — and for good measure, throw in a bit about how so-called conservatives who went for Obama were gulled by a boogey man created for their benefit, namely, this idea that improperly educated religious conservatives are hoping to burn books and build a theocracy (8 years of hearing this said about Bush — with the attendant failure of said theocracy to materialize — evidently never triggered their “highly educated” and “skeptical” doubt reflex) — but what’s the point, really?
If you’re honest, you already know these things. And if you went for Obama, you’re simply part of the herd, and the herd will meet such arguments with defensiveness and wagon circling.
So I won’t mention it.
Looks like the Media hit just where it was aiming. Mission accomplished and all that.
Does anyone really think that the Media, now feeling the full extent of its reach and power, will easily cede it to some sense of moral obligation?
Wow that was painful. I couldn’t make it all the way through…
And so, the low information voter carries the day. Bell curves, indeed.
The “I can see Russia from my house” bit is painful to behold.
SARAH PALIN BELIEVES DINOSAURS ROAMED THE EARTH UNTIL JESUS KILLED THEM WITH HIS X-RAY VISION!!1!!
We know more about Sarah Palin’s underaged daughter than we do about the drug dealer Barack Obama had in college that he wrote about in his own book.
Joe Wurzelbacher has had more Government officials root through his personal records than journalists have rooted through the public records of the Annenberg Challenge.
More television anchors were interested in what came out of Sarah Palin’s birth canal than what came out of Barack Obama’s mouth.
You can’t keep a democracy for long like that.
I’ll repeat the one that truly galls me:
We knew about Todd Palin’s membership in the Alaska Independence Party and Joe Wurzelbacher’s membership in the Natural Law Party before we knew about Obama’s membership in the New Party.
Then you missed the part where these alacritous and inestimable voters indicated either no media exposure or exposure to MSNBC, NPR, PBS, or the NYT.
And giggled.
Look at the bright side: if they uniformly said they favor redistributing wealth, it’s just as well they don’t know who Frank, Pelosi, and Reid are.
I thought that dinosaurs still roamed in Russia because you can see the books being burned from Alaska.
OH BAMA
OH BAMA
OH BAMA
I mean is this really news to anyone here?
Sarah Palin keeps her Alaska Independence Party meetings warm by burning books that she saw in Russia from her house.
Also, Mission Accomplished, MSM. I hope you sleep well at night.
They will sleep very well techie. What makes you think they do not view this as a good thing?
That’s some industrial strength stupid right there.
Was that Lisa nishi and thor?
I think the “we” set regarding Obama’s New Party membership is fairly small. I’d like to see the prevalence of those three pieces of knowledge surveyed.
It’s easy to see why democrat politicians view humanity as something that needs to be micromanaged. If I hung around that particular constituency long enough, I might develop dictatorial tendencies myself.
At least they were informed on all the major issues, like who to sneer at, ripping off the rich, and where the voting booths were on which day.
>>Sarah Palin keeps her Alaska Independence Party meetings warm by burning books that she saw in Russia from her house.
BS. There’s no books in Alaska. I was once busted for smuggling books into Alaska but nobody could prove they were books so I got off.
And today the New York Times is a hair away from falling below a $1B market cap. That’s probably about what their building is worth.
They make me want to spit.
happyfeet – Maybe they can get some of Baracky’s bailout money.
Give it a minute Roland Lisa will be here to advise us that these people are just “uniformed” and need to better educate themselves so there is no media bias at all. Seems to me these people were “informed”, just in all the things their betters in the press wanted them to know.
I think it’ll be more subtle, JD. I’d bet Baracky looks at making newspaper subscriptions tax deductible.
The voting morons don’t bother me so much as the self-proclaimed “educated” morons who voted for him and funded him based on knowing exactly who and what he is and what he brings to the job.
Unless and until we either reform voting requirements (as if!) or make it much more painful to be so stupid, we’re in for a very long winter of discontent.
The individuals in the short film may be mis/mal/un/-informed but I noticed how nice they all seemed. Don’t they seem nice when they are sniggling or screwing up their faces at the thought that a candidate for Vice-President has a pregnant teenage daughter? And how much more nice could they be venturing a guess which candidate had their three opponents thrown off the ballot and, while disclaiming knowledge of the facts, managed nevertheless to attribute the character of such a deed to Sarah Palin? Very nice.
http://www.howamericawenttowarwithiraq.com/
What’s particularly baffling is that the left molded Bush as a religous nutjob, who would push to use taxpayer dollars to promote and support said nutjobbery. 7 years later they haul in Barry O, posessing A PROVEN RECORD of funding religous nutjobbery in his own church-with promises on his lips of mandated state involvement in volenteerism.
That either speaks to one hell of an accomplishment, or the short attention span of the public.
You’d be in constant pain, Joan.
http://www.AJBisadouchenozzle.com
Joan – I have often said that stoopid like AJB, thor, and sniffles/actus/alphie/monkeyboy should be visibly painful, so you could see it approaching.
I would like to see a poll of how many people are informed/misinformed about Palin compared to how many people think O! is a muslim.
I haven’t clicked AJB’s link, but does it say anything about all those Congressional votes from Democrats? Or the Clinton Iraq Regime Change policy?
If not, I don’t much care.
Shorter AJB: MUST CHANGE SUBJECT !!11ELEVENTY11!!! !O! (noes)
As for that film? Must. Duct. Tape. Head.
Maybe the Fairness Doctrine could be a good thing.
nah.
Like the vast majority of AJB’s posts, it goes nowhere.
It’s not even a good link. Well done, AJB! There is a place for you in Axelrod’s next astroturfing operation.
JD #30: LOL your link is no good either! BWAA HAHA!
Oops … http://www.AJBisatwatwaffle.com
AJB the proper deflection in this case is to point out how many people think O! is a muslim or a manchurian candidate. The Iraq war used as an excuse to justify anything or to reroute any conversation is just so cliche now.
In the last few months, the herd of astroturfing blog commenters arguing in lockstep was very noticable. Certain memes popped up everywhere within a day or two. Even the most idiotic talking point (“McCain was a bad pilot who broke five airplanes”) was faithfully repeated. Clearly these people lived in an informational bubble with the Obama campaign controlling the horizontal and vertical.
I once got into an argument with one troll (who claimed to be a Republican, natch) who said that he was not worried about voter fraud because thankfully his state of Indiana required a photo ID. I pointed out that only Republicans had fought for voter ID laws in Indiana, against massive opposition from Democrats. His answer? “Yeah, that´s how Republicans try to suppress votes”. What can you say to such a doofus? These people are zombies, yet you can´t do what everyone knows you do with zombies. It´s not fair.
http://www.thorswallowsmikevick‘slovejuice.com
http://www.AJBwearsfishnetstockings.org
If only Sarah Palin had held a press conference so she could have made her case directly to the American herd, er people.
http://www.alphieshiffleswearsfoilcondoms.net
This is fun. Thanks, AJB.
http://www.BJoppressesbrownpeoplewomenelderlyandchildren.com
http://www.snifflesusespumicelotionforlube.com
http://www.snufflesmonkeyboythinksanalbeadsarepermanant.edu
http://www.jdgolfslikeahomicidalmidgetdwarfwithepilepsy.gov
The lowing herd. The equality of a blade of grass.
â€ÂMcCain was a bad pilot who broke five airplanesâ€Â
At one point in late October, my supposedly educated friend, poli sci major, told me with a straight face that McCain had given away critical secrets to the Vietnamese while in captivity. I said “now what secrets might those be?” He just sort of looked at me odd.
Sut Up! Yu!
Can’t see the video yet, so my incisive commentary will just have to wait until after dark.
…when I rise from my subterranean lair to terrorize the living.
I know. Something having to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers, IIRC.
Yes snuffles it is her fuckin fault. She was asking for it, she wore that slutty dress on purpose to lead them on.
Who was “them,” Mr. Pink.
Her Republican “handlers?”
Or Katie Couric?
OT,
Mr. Pink
Yesterday you asked about getting links into comments.
If you use Firefox get this.
http://www.thorburpscumbubblesfrommikevick.com
The American herd. Einstein.
STFU, sniffles.
http://www.snifflesisanoozingfistulaontherectumofhumanity.com
Thanks Geoff. Too bad this a work computer that uses IE.
Maybe it will let me link it this time. Very OT and very disgusting.
http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=AC31AB2499AA00AAD87D324589D26E67
Media malfeasamce. That’s rich. You need only to pick up a newspaper or click on a media newscast to see crystal clear evidence of that.
And guess what, gang? Not gonna change for the foreseeable future.
Sorry, should be malfeasance. Mayhap I should let the anger cool before posting>
Yeah, those 12 people are representative of 62 million Americans.
I mean we all saw those McCain rallies held in conjunction with MENSA. No one claimed Obama was a terrorist there or Muslim or anything like that. Hell, at various sites around the blogsphere, you can find people with Master’s degrees arguing that Obama didn’t write his own autobiography or that he’s a dangerous radical (whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean).
I guess the subtlety of those arguments was lost on the average voter.
Like that video is real anyway! On Election real Republican hacks were too busy trying to prevent ACORN from stealing the vote and taking pictures of “Black Panthers.â€Â
In the end, you could find twelve dumber people than these hacks present if you looked at the McCain campaign plane any time the Palins were on board with Salter, Davis, Schmidt, and the execrable Michael Goldfarb. Those people were dumb to imagine “pallin’ around with terrorists” and “Joe the Plumber” were enough to win an election. The “voters” the hacks hired, errrr, interviewed will go back to serving drinks at Applebees the day after the election, whereas the idiots on that plane thought Palin should be Vice President and that we should elect John “I’m not too strong on Economics†McCain as President.
I guess I have a different view about what stupid is….(hint: you guys and gals and not some made up video)
Media Bias, dangerous radicals, “the New party,†fear, whining….will Spiro Agnew ever be dead for you Boomers?
What’s it all about, alphie?
Pink, read this link (there are many other such available upon search), do what it says and you’re good to go.
Glad you and your cronies are enjoying the government-provided internets this morning, JD.
Man! Watching this viseo makes my head feel like it’s gonna explode…
And the MSM must be really happy to see it. Most of these doofusses couldn’t tell you JACK! about our current government or some of the few elements of O!s history that is out there; no surprise here though, since the media insulated him from any real concentration on the parts of his past that weren’t sanitized for
hisour protection…But they knew all the talking points used to diminish Palin…
You know, I realize that some here will play the elitist card on me for what I’m about to say…
But, I believe that folks should either have to pass an 8th grade civics test or a short current events/issues quiz in order to be able to vote; in addition to showing valid proof of identification…
I realize that the notion of one person, one vote, is central to the ideals of our democracy. But just as there should be a personal responsibility element in our justice and social welfare systems, so too should there be one in our electoral as well…
Otherwise, it is simply a popularity contest that is most likely won by the most attractive candidate with the largest campaign money chest and who enjoys the most free media from the MSM…
I hate to think that some of these morons canceled out the folks of thinking people…
‘Cuz, I may be biased, but I’m thinkin’ there’s an imbalance in the slogan-o-sphere…
All the best to everyone
Mr. Pink’s link.
Mr. Pink write me at geoffb5 at comcast dot net and I’ll get a way for it to work out in IE. Not as elegant but works. Discussing Html in Html is difficult.
thor, that’s the best you’ve got?
Please. Put it back inside your boyfriend’s mouth.
No one claimed Obama was a terrorist there.
See, PeterG made one correct statement. The rest, pretty delusional.
STFU, sniffles.
Mr. Pink: Bleah!
I guess you missed the part where they acknowledged that these people weren’t a fair sample and commissioned a poll to ask the same questions. Here, let me help you with that, Peter.
PeterG,
Just some advice friend…
If you don’t like what’s said here we would all invite you to leave…
It’s easy to anonymously spew insults and vile invective across the internet; a better rule is to say no more than you would in person.
I’m just sayin’ that you don’t come off in a way that would win friends and influence people..!
Let go of your hate and rancor; you guys won this time!
Just realize though, that we won’t go quietly into that goodnight…
We are the loyal opposition, and while not engaging on the sophmoric rants that you all have for the last 8 years, we’re watching, keeping our powder dry, and waiting for the best shot to present itself…
So why waste time trying to incite trouble among the thinking folks here at PW?
Go back to your cocoon, where y’all can echo chamber talk about the demise of your enemies…
Just some friendly advice
Glad you and your cronies are enjoying the government-provided air this morning, monkeyboy.
I have to admit, I,m scared for my country. I believe in it’s inherent goodness, as a beacon for the rest of the world, and this present atmosphere is incomprehensible to me.
So many say that we’ll come out of it okay, but WILL we? It’s physically nauseating to consider that the damage done may be irreparable.
Is it too much to ask that this nation I so proudly served be returned to me?
Pablo,
Are you one of David Frum’s “say it louder” conservatives?
All that’s left for redumblicans is to stare at the sun and allow its warmth dry their constant nasal drainage. Tending to maxillofacial appearances, like life in general, now seems like such a waste of effort. All objects take on a fetal shape once the corneas are shot. Worse is the spatial chirpiness in the voices of the staff at the shelter since the election.
They’re killing babies, everywhere they kill. Wipe me, nurse. Hold my hand and wipe my nose.
snuffles, are you alphie/monkyboy/neville chamberlain?
That’s droogies, O nasally incontinent one.
thor, are you drinking again this morning?
Pablo #79: Yes, without question, no matter what he/she writes in response.
Nah, just thought I’d let some Cheeze Whiz fly.
I didn’t like snuffles as alphie. I think I’ll rid myself of him in his current incarnation, too.
You think?
The odds of any of our packets passing through a government-owned node are practically nil. Government did not build the internet (singular) as we know it today; that was the work of private industry.
Simply because it started with a government-funded research program doesn’t mean it’s “government-provided”. That’s similar to arguing that the Air Force is a privately-held company because the Wright Brothers built their Flyer on their own dime.
For PeterG, if he just denies it, it’s not real.
That’s called intellectual “pragmatism,” I guess.
Sooner rather than later.
You’ve got your daily rationalization out of the way, Rob.
Good for you.
I WIN THE POOL!
Si, Señor. Adios, alphles!
Alas,for Snuffleupagus has become wretched.
Let’s parse!
“All that’s left for redumblicans is to stare at the sun and allow its warmth dry their constant nasal drainage.”
This means: Thor has a cold. Too many lemon drops and not enough Gatorade this month.
“Tending to maxillofacial appearances, like life in general, now seems like such a waste of effort.”
This means: thor is considering giving up on exfoliating and attempting adoption of the Keith Richards/Haggard is Hip meme when chatting up off-duty personal assistants at T.G.I. Friday’s.
“All objects take on a fetal shape once the corneas are shot.”
This means: thor is having those damn dancing-baby dreams again, you know, the one where he wakes up with a start and reflexively reaches down to reassure himself that he doesn’t have a vagina.
“Worse is the spatial chirpiness in the voices of the staff at the shelter since the election.”
This means: thor thinks chirpiness is quantifiable in geometric terms. Which itself means that he has a line on some primo, old-fashioned, wormwood-included absinthe.
“They’re killing babies, everywhere they kill. Wipe me, nurse. Hold my hand and wipe my nose.”
This means: thor again discovered that hue of morning toilet-leavings known as “hangover black.”
Of course, I am but one interpreter. I invite other input.
Sniff is probably snorting lines of coke off her Obama victory plate at the moment.
I think the reference to the “shelter” is the give-away. Thor’s a bum, living on the streets, commenting from a public library computer. He dreams of living in a convalescent home, cared for by nurses.
That’s because the vacuum cleaner biz went south.
Also, he can now say, “Time for you to pay up.”, because he ain’t got none.
I’m being interpreted and deconstructed with no attention to authorial intent.
Jeff. Ban him! Now. Before I … I’ll jam the Chevillard, even mimic Toussaint, or go full-phallic Celine on his ass.
Who holds the post-modern stroke around here? Me, that’s right!
Mr. Pink —
Having checked the dimensions of the Victory Plate, I am sad to report that there is no way that it will fit into a standard clay pigeon thrower. At 20 bucks a pop, a case of plates is a little too pricey for a full round of skeet, anyway.
My cock wath thor thith morning. I need to get thum medithun for it. Big, red, and thor ith no way to go through life.
I object to any proposed banning of Andrew. Since thor’s intent is, by any sane standards, to avoid making sense, all interpretations of thor’s comments are equally valid.
There is no what he really meant by that, in other words.
Intent? Trash talking. Anything else? Thought not.
Not if you’re Enron.
Yeah, 86’ing snuffles/alphie is probably a good idea. He’s just pretty dumb. No other way to say it. Even Thor, amid his all too frequent publicly displayed emotional disturbances, finds time to be provocative. Very rare anymore, but every now and then. He’s just an emotionally stunted dickhead. But, alphie is a dickhead as well as grade A stupid. He has NO value. None.
Pablo uses a push poll and “Jeff G” decides a video by a talk show host holds a mirror up to reality, whereas this poll, chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6084678.html, showing 23% of Texas voters believed Obama to be a Muslim is just…you know, somebody else’s problem.
Ah, according to the fine John Zeigler, stupidity is owned by one party, and it’s ALL the media’s fault! Wah Wah. Does that mean the world can blame the media on the two elections of the “incredible Shrinking President?” Or, was that just the Silent majority rescuing the world from Al Gore and John Kerry.
Long Live ’68, Atwater-philes. Run from the radicals and go “Billy Jack” on them. Oh, and tell me again how a “textual analysis” of Obama’s book shows it was written by Ayers. Classic!
The commercial I saw on tv was even worse.
This guy writing in his journal turns his head to his left to gaze at O! on a plate, nods to himself in approval, and then returns to writing. Between showing that a family sitting around a dinner table and they all are looking at the victory plate in supplication. Pretty gag worthy let me tell you.
Oh, and tell me again how a “textual analysis†of Obama’s book shows it was written by Ayers. Classic!
Go read about it yourself, you ignert hik.
Joan questioned what I had. Love is what I got, I say remember that.
Besides, unless you’ve read the essential tropes, your appetite for belligerence is no doubt stunted.
Take Chevillard, he presses the notions as to whether or not our putative culture allows us to outgrow biological determinism and thusly, then, renders relativism useless. This ceaseless morphing, the constant flux and the bestialization of constructions of our identity becomes, itself, an iconic form of ambivalence within the aesthetics of recombinant self-identity metamorphosis.
But can the lowest forms, the inert, the primitive, the grotesque snowbilly, for example, ever cohere with the intelligibility of the aesthete (that’d be me, dawg)?
Op snarf blarg ping glap het snit munge!
Doing my Thor imitation this morning.
I still want to know whether it was good for him with that first fresh kill he saw in Peru. Everybody remembers their first time!
Heres the first causes.
The GOP supports denying rights to citizen minorities, and denying abortion rights to female citizens, both of which are anathema to idealistic youth.
The GOP also supports rejection of ToE, anti-ESCR legislation and life-at-conception nonsense.
The above are simply anti-scientific.
So the GOP cannot expect to have hegemony in unis which are profoundly pro-science and pro-citizen liberty.
Plus you don’t have any good music.
;)
Lets dance, feets!
Lady Gaga
Sorry Jeff, I know you’d rather slam your head through a glass door than read prog tropes, but they asked for it. They had the post-modern sociobiology perfume-spritzer coming to ’em.
“Take Chevillard, he presses the notions as to whether or not our putative culture allows us to outgrow biological determinism and thusly, then, renders relativism useless. This ceaseless morphing, the constant flux and the bestialization of constructions of our identity becomes, itself, an iconic form of ambivalence within the aesthetics of recombinant self-identity metamorphosis.”
How transcendent. But did Chevilliard depict with any specificity where this ambivalent form, this flux of consciousness, adheres to our merely breathing mass? Can it fix to a leg? An arm? Who has it? He that was aesthetic o’Wednesday. Doth he feel it? No.
“But can the lowest forms, the inert, the primitive, the grotesque snowbilly, for example, ever cohere with the intelligibility of the aesthete (that’d be me, dawg)?”
It depends, my tippling friend, it depends. Does your aesthetic soul even desire such coherence? Can you stoop to conquer? Or does the flux insist upon a pathway to itself, a rules of the road, a strong wall ‘gainst the barbarians? And if it does, is the snowbilly to blame, as the kaffir and the heretic, merely for being?
The Puritan. The Aristocrat. The Post-Modern. S’all Jazz, y’all.
He’s talking about Chevillard the cheese fools!
I mean seriously…Billy Ray Cyrus?
/gag
I like the music but I want to sweep her floor. I would do that for her. Universities are not super-citizen liberty oriented I don’t think though. They’re very speech-codey and groupthinky. The whole idea of going back to school feels very oppressive to me. I still might at some point cause I want to get a Masters in Lit and maybe teach school for a few years when I retire and I don’t want to go back to school when I’m super-old like that. But it’s hard to get enthused.
I don’t much care what religion Obama claims — BLT, Muslim…
I am curious, however, what Islamists think. About as far as my curiosity on the question extends.
Meanwhile, the argument that these 12 voters represent the majority of Obamadaries is not one that I made — though I tend to think it is fairly representative of a strong portion of his populist base. I do, however, believe that the clip suggests something uncomfortably true about mainstream voters (those who don’t follow much political punditry, or read blogs, eg) and the impact the traditional media has on shaping their political worldviews.
The rest of my argument I don’t feel the need to rehash, it being right there in the post, distilled from who knows how many posts on the subject I’ve written over the years.
Hell no. Keep them and their anxieties of shame borne from their endless adolescence far away from my grotto.
115 for 110
The masters thingy I got already was not oppressive mostly cause of how overwhelmingly liberal it was and how apathetic I was about that. But it was a lot weirdness and a lot of trite stuff. Like in our research methods class everyone had to take we had to spend a month on Tuskegee. The worst part was I thought the other people in the program were really lame and not-impressive and I didn’t want to think about what that said about my choice even though it was a top 10 school and all. They were still more interesting than the law school people I thought.
As for who wrote Obama’s books, I have said repeatedly that I haven’t done an analysis myself, and so I won’t commit to anyone else’s thesis. Which is why my posts on the matter spoke to theories of authorship in general, or else were introduced with the requisite disclaimers.
Not that a dishonest fuck like you would recognize the nuance even were you something other than a dishonest fuck.
Oh. And why the quotation marks around “Jeff G”. That’s really my name. Seriously. I have a birth certificate and everything!
thor, the pomocons won’t let me be a sociobiologist too, a cuz of science being all “modern-like”.
the big meanies.
lol.
This story has obviously struck a nerve. Otherise Nate Silver wouldn’t have been up at 3 AM trying to debunk it. (Quite unsuccessfully)
oh. I’m just musing is all while I decide if maybe to make a grilled cheese before my 11:00 so I don’t get grumpy. If my middle name were Hussein I think I might wonder if I was a Muslim.
The video does indeed show how BHO was elected: many of his opponents – including almost all those with megaphones – were complete idiots. They didn’t oppose BHO with defensible facts but instead made things up, and the MSM jumped all over it. The poll continues that by getting several things wrong.
Details at my name’s link. Unfortunately, I don’t expect too many people to learn how to do things the right way.
Oh, god, it’s the “let’s all videotape Obama answering our questions” jerk again, isn’t it?
What, you think there’s some kind of Marxist infestation at the university level? Not so much in the foundational and classic tropes, tropes being my new favorite word by the way, but somewhat in the modern and post-modern, yes. Literature is like bad weed, leaves you with a shitty buzz, bad for your health, and there’s too many peddlers at every chalkboard.
Better to teach children to steal than explain subrealism to ’em and fuck their heads up for good.
There’s Marxist and there’s you’re just stupid and you get on my nerves and I only took this class cause it worked with my schedule. Marxism is not always inappropriate in a literature class anyway. You have to make judgments though.
Sometimes you even scare me, nishi, but you’re instantaneous boner kill to a Palinite. I think that’s sort’a hawt.
whocka whocka whocka whocka whocka whocka uuuuhhhnnnn!!!!
That’s what I got for you dumpublicans!!!111!eleventy!!
Have I told you about Russian pooter lately?
“The GOP supports denying rights to citizen minorities”
Ummm…anyone want to help with this one?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 11/18 @ 1:09 pm #
“The GOP supports denying rights to citizen minoritiesâ€Â
Ummm…anyone want to help with this one?
Sure, don’t argue with stumps.
Apparently the majority of California’s blacks and Hispanics have become Republicans.
Who knew?
In California, anything’s possible.
Nate might have been more successful if he knew what push polling is.
Um, yeah.
Oh, and nishi is the pw equivalent of an unfunny newfag. She should be be remanded to 4chan for the rest of her days.
lol
Rob Crawford writes: Oh, god, it’s the “let’s all videotape Obama answering our questions†jerk again, isn’t it?
Perhaps you’d care to tell us what’s wrong with that method. Are you scared of getting tased or something? Not interested in doing your civic duty? Not smart enough to think up real questions? Not smart enough to realize how effective it could be? Please go into details.
That is not a push poll, and both are parts of the same endeavor produced by the same guy.
That’s not what was done here, though it doesn’t surprise me that you’d try to misrepresent it as such. I see the entire leftosphere has decided on a new definition of that term, to which I say “Fuck you.” Whether you’re an intentional liar or a fool by circumstance is irrelvant to me. But good luck with it either way.
Mr. The details, it’s just that the constant nagging got really tiresome. As to whether it would have worked, look what happened to Joe the Plumber. The message of “spreading the wealth” got ignored in favor of a witch hunt on Joe. That would have been repeated over and over again.
BTW, do you have links to the videos you made of yourself asking Obama those tough questions?
Well, Obama generally doesn’t take questions from the public, and he’s not going to start now. Aside from that, it’s a smashing idea, like strapping on wings and flying to work.
I did indeed try to ask BHO a question, way back in Feb. 2007: 24ahead.com/blog/archives/006350.html
There’s an example of me asking someone a question that stumped her at my name’s link.
But, pointing out that I’ve done more than anyone else at this site and confusing what I did or didn’t do with what people in general should be urged to do is a logical fallacy, so let’s have no more of that.
As for JTP, he seems to have made out quite well.
So, assuming a smart, brave, civic-minded person who’s used to making arguments and who isn’t related to Charles Keating, wouldn’t that smart person asking BHO a real question have been very effective?
You know whos cool?
Juliette.
She icy.
What part of “He doesn’t take questions” are you having trouble with?
Pablo the jackass,
Try to learn and realize how vacuous your interpretation of the term “push poll†is
The technique used in the survey is crude and pretty obvious. First, it asks questions about which most Americans are sadly ignorant (Congress) but only asks it of Obama supporters. Second, it uses incredibly old accusations about alleged deeds and obscure facts (Biden’s plagiarism, Obama’s ballot, silly Weather Underground “connections”) and compares them to very new, recent news worthy issues (Palin’s wardrobe, her pregnant daughter, and Tina Fey’s proximity to Russia).
Note that there were no McCain questions. How many Obama supporters knew about the details of the Keating Five? How many knew that McCain dumped his ex-wife upon returning to Vietnam to find her physically disfigured (and then proceeded to marry another, much younger beauty queen)? How many knew how many colleges Palin attended? Or that she asked God’s blessing for a pipeline?
This is such a stupid endeavor and I doubt that anyone but you and your master will take it seriously. It makes out-of-touch conservatives feel better to imagine that Obama supporters are ignorant, but this will never sway independents…not that you guys care about bringing people back to the GOP. This is all a “second virginity,” a return to purity for you old, angry men. Reagan will lead us to victory; all hail the ghost of conservatism!
Quite frankly, these misguided and delusional attitudes among conservatives is what will likely ensure that the GOP remains a minority party for the next half-decade. This is a clumsy part of the conservative attempt to de-legitimatize the Obama presidency, like they attempted to do to Clinton.
But, never mind, keep your birth certificates and flawed poll analysis on your shrinking reservation. In fact, keep it up. Maybe you can cut those 56 million voters to 50 next time!
PS Pablo, you deranged ninny with the profane keyboard, any time you are celebrating something Sean Hannity is championing, you might want to reconsider. I mean, I doubt you are Hannity dumb, but you could prove me wrong.
For Baldilocks.
Check Yes Juliette
I mean it.
Better musik.
;)
Sylvie, I don’t know where you think you’re going with that at 139 … but it’s prolly the wrong place.
You know, Pablo, I don’t think we should have hung our entire hopes of an Obama loss on that Muslim/Birth certificate issue. it was surely a loser.
Not really. You could have ten million embarrassing YouTube videos and they wouldn’t have made a difference.
And stop changing your name. It’s like you can’t stand being identified as your annoying self.
We’re saying you should lead by example. When you’ve made enough of an impact, others will follow. So go work on that, m’kay?
really? Who ran against Obama in his first race? and Biden quit the Presidential race because he was just “accused” of plagiarism??
I don’t think that word means quite what you think it means. but that’s not surprising given your other “definitions” of things.
also, you’re kinda getting a little personal like a certain other troll with a different name. be careful, you aren’t hiding it so well.
I’ve re-watched the video … and I see what Peter is saying. They, and the others polled, are some of the SMARTEST PEOPLE EVER!
How many liberals does anyone know, here, that still believe that Palin thought Africa was a country? I bet if I polled the ones I know, every one of them would state AS A FACT that she said it. And not a one of them would know that Obama got rid of his competitors to win his first political races.
Pablo Abu Jamal: BHO probably took thousands of questions at various stops.
Here’s a fifth-grader asking him one: 24ahead.com/blog/archives/007335.html
Here’s a RonPaul-supporter type asking him one: 24ahead.com/blog/archives/007602.html
There are many, many, many more; check this list:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+audience+question&search=Search
Let me suggest coming up with a different excuse.
carin that is from the comments at hotair on this same topic.
That’s not my interpretation, Peter, that’s a cut and pasted definition of the term. Where’s yours, nitwit?
Carin, I agree. We should have run with the Antichrist bit. (Peter, that’s snark. I explain that to you because you’re not bright enough to pick it up on your own)
Peter G is afraid.
Let me suggest you go away. Or stick with one name. Why are you hiding behind multiple names?
Hence “How Obama Got Elected”. You’re as sharp as a light bulb there, Peter.
Yes … and …. ?
Hint – Juliete, the person who corrected the commenter, voted for … ?
And, those correcting the smears against Palin are …?
You can take your time getting back to me.
lol, click the link, carin.
i think…..a big problem with McCain/Palin is they just went berserker, throwing the kitchen sink and everything…..socialist! ACORN! muslim! terrorist! FannieFreddie! red-diaper baby! plagarist!
it was like the boy that cried wolf.
the electorate just got numb…..the voters couldn’t sort out the message cause it kept switching.
and then the wolf came and ate the boy up, every crumb.
And those “Who said…” questions, the answers to which are supported by the recordings of the quotes being uttered by those they are attributed to? Alleged.
lol, Juliette==Baldilocks.
Geez, Kate. I thought it was because McCain is old. I seem to remember you telling us that that was his problem again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again….
Howzabout you take a break and work on some new material?
The electorate went numb, but somehow they were able to focus (and remember) every bite of tripe uttered against Palin?
Try again.
“Peter G is afraid.”
PeterG is probably one of those morons in the video.
I’d say you nailed it.
well, I did like the one guy that was all, “I haven’t looked into that….” he knew the correct answer, but obviously it was some kind of manipulated quote. Unlike the Palin stuff.
I know who Juliette is.
But, perhaps I need to spell it out. Obama smears, uttered by conservative on Hot Air, were corrected by OTHER CONSERVATIVES. Palin smears, uttered by Obamatons and the MSM, were correct by conservatives but ignored by the media … so they just kept trudging along like the little engine that could, into all the vacuous heads of the uninformed electorate.
Carin….
/she sez gently
Palin is done.
It is dust and ashes.
Maggie, from my family, when faced with some “truth” say … “I hadn’t heard that … ”
Lol. My husband and I laugh and laugh every time we get them to use that line.
I don’t really care about Palin. I only care about truth, and as long as people are going to bring up her name attached to some BS attack, I’m gonna correct them. Not because I’m hoping for 2012, but simply because I can’t stand to see lies continued.
Oh no, Kate. Palin is your worst nightmare. You haven’t begun to see the last of her. Your hate is in its infancy. It’s only going to grow. You’ll be raging and she’ll…just…smile.
I think I’ll find it all entertaining.
Carin, don’t blame the media.
Palin applied for the job of VP with the american electorate. Perhaps two months wasn’t long enough to fill out the application, and
perhaps going into campaign purdah right out of the gate wasn’t wise, but she a big girl and she applied anyways.
A whole generation of young voters (that the GOP desperately needs) now have Tina Fey’s satires indelibly engraved into the voter part of their brains.
Palin is just done.
It’s over.
Obama never talked much about Palin, and told dKos not to attack her or her family.
The “terrorists” jab in the debate was all.
The wink video is the only one that addressed her, and that was peripheral to a crit on McCain.
No, pablow, I’m fine with the Emabaracuda now.
She’s just over.
Why..we could even go shopping together!
I have 2 carhartt jackets. ;)
kate: don’t forget the awful, nauseating prospect of the photo opportunities with a genetically damaged child. That was a killer right there.
Oh, you say that now, kate. But mark my words. Your hate has barely begun.
Nah…..even Newt and the governors threw her under the bus.
She won’t be back.
Absolutely, the best way to get nishi to stop spewing her nitwittery is to keep engaging her.
“I think that she is going to be a significant player,†said Gingrich during an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nationâ€Â.
Nah, the best way is to throw her out.
No, someone should get a video camera and ask her tough questions. IT WOULD HAVE WORKED WITH OBAMA!!!
lol, among 20 or 30 others, pablow.
c’mon, scare me.
I love to be scared.
Make me believe she can be a playah.
Is the nagging guy who thinks we all need to get a video camera and ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS done for the day? Perhaps he found another site to lecture on.
thor’s excerpt from his desperate Wikipedia browsing:”whether or not our putative culture allows us to outgrow biological determinism… an iconic form of ambivalence within the aesthetics of recombinant self-identity metamorphosis.”
I see my articulations were too copious for your own Lilliputian comprehension and wit.
I did not question so much, as pity.
Rob Crawford writes Let me suggest you go away. Or stick with one name. Why are you hiding behind multiple names?
Apparently mousing over my name’s link to see they all lead to different posts at my site is beyond Rob Crawford’s abilities. As is answering the questions to him in #comment-592380
What is it Rob? There’s no shame in admitting that holding politicians accountable is something you can’t do. The only shame is in trying to dissuade others from doing it.
No one wants to read your bland ditherings.
No, your constant name changes prevent me from blocking out your spam.
I’m not dissuading anyone. I’m encouraging you to do it.
I’m also expressing my exhaustion of having your exhortations show up endlessly. We get it — you have a hobby horse. Now ride it out and ASK SOME QUESTIONS!!!
Or, just FOAD.
Either one.
I don’t care.
You stated, if my memory serves, “is that all you got,thor,” which isn’t copious at all for an articulation.
If you posted anything else I didn’t care to read it. You’re a dopish Bible-humper, not that there’s anything wrong with that, nothing wrong with roach innards either, inasmuch as I don’t expend too much thought on either you or roach innards.
Quack. Quack.
You live in hickville and care enough to read about Russia and Russians.
“No, No, No! You’re Wrong! Russia…”
Rob’s a hick who has truly tired of his pot-bellied goats and wants out. They have special cargo holds and pet scanners, take you goat and go see the Motherland, Rob. Introduce your goat to Russians. They will accept you as you are. Hell, half of ’em are friendly-dumb as Canadians. Your knuckle-dragging simian posture is no longer in vogue in Obama’s America. You get laughed at nowadays. Make a trail of slime all the way to Russia, it’s for the best, Rob.
That would be a “No,” then. Well, to each his ignorant own, I guess.
You stated, if my memory serves, “is that all you got,thor,†which isn’t copious at all for an articulation.
And yet, still too copious for your little hammer-head.
I betcha….if the question had been….what political party controls the white house in stead of congress…..the respondents would have gotten that one mostly right.
Another question the respondents would have gotten right is how many kids does Obama have or what is Mrs. Obama’s first name.
This poll doesn’t reveal media bias…it reveals sample bias and poor experimental design.
happyfeet,
The only place that you’re safe from the Marxists is on the engineering side of town…
At least within the limit of my experiences…
Hope that it’s helpful
Comment by PeterG on 11/18 @ 2:00 pm #
“The technique used in the survey is crude and pretty obvious.”
Crude maybe, but only because of the amall sample size. And obvious that it isn’t a push-poll as you lefties suggest…
“First, it asks questions about which most Americans are sadly ignorant (Congress) but only asks it of Obama supporters.”
Informed voters should not only be aware of the party affiliation mix in congress, but should be aware of the issues being undertaken by that body as well as the names of their representatives as well as the bodies leadership. And here’s a news flash, Petey, they were interested in the knowledge base of the Obama voters; that’s what the poll was analyzing…
“Second, it uses incredibly old accusations about
allegedfactually correct deeds andobscurefacts that were not investigated by the intellectually incurious, in the tank, media(Biden’s plagiarism, Obama’s ballot, silly Weather Underground “connectionsâ€Â)…”First, I fixed the errors in your sentances. Second, I can’t believe that you would try to wave away these facts that point to the character of the candidates competeing. Factors that are important, at least for O!, since many relevent documents regarding his history have conveniently disappeared or are not being released by his campain…
“…and compares them to very new, recent news worthy issues (Palin’s wardrobe, her pregnant daughter, and Tina Fey’s proximity to Russia)…”
OK. I’ll give you that Palin’s wardrobe may have been newsworthy on some level; but no less than Obama’s undisclosed Columbia grades and his undisclosed Harvard records/writings/applications…
But her daughter..? And a joke by Tina Fey, that the MSM successfully painted as being stated by Palin..? What are you smokin’? In what universe are these newsqorthy..? You really cannot be serious…
PeterG, you’re trying to defend the undefensible, and explain something that is beyond explanation…
Please, get a hold of yourself and have some intellectual honesty, Man!
*shakes head in disbelief*
I see that Rob Crawford wants to add another item to his list. In addition to being unwilling to do something as simple as mouse over a link, and in addition to having few if any tech skills, he also has a problem with honesty. He’s clearly trying to dissuade people from doing their civic duty and holding politicians accountable. Why would someone be so strongly against that?
Because they’re not that stupid. Really!
And they read People!
No, meya. They detailed that those questioned mostly had no idea who those people are. It’s hard to freak out over people you’ve never heard of.
duh. *It* don’t work.
“They detailed that those questioned mostly had no idea who those people are. ”
I know. They don’t know who Barney Frank is. I’ll bet they don’t even know who Tom Tancredo and Ron Oaul are either. They don’t care. You cant freak them out with ads that say Obama is going to work with liberals like Harry reid just like you can’t freak them out with ads that say McCain will work with wingnuts like Virgil Goode or even Boehner. Thats crap marketing. Thats preaching to the choir. But maybe mccain needed to do that.
Or you can titillate them with HOPE and CHANGE and FOUR MORE YEARS. And they won’t notice or care what you policies and those of your party are, as long as you’re smooth.
Stay off the guy’s property. What’s so hard about that?
“Or you can titillate them with HOPE and CHANGE and FOUR MORE YEARS.”
Exactly. You’re marketing a brand, you pick two to three slogans. Thats it. Anything else is just campaign incompetence. You can’t expect voters to keep track of who voted against MLK day and who was born in a foreign country.
That’s why the new government will do it now.
So, you’re a proponent of pandering to an ill informed electorate, then?
Which might not be so uninformed if the media did its job….
Huh. Media malpractice. What a concept.
Seeing as how only 55% of the sample had college degrees, I don’t think getting a more edumacated sample would have made the Obama voters look less dummerer given the results in any event.
“So, you’re a proponent of pandering to an ill informed electorate, then?”
I’m a proponent of my side running a competent campaign and the other side running an incompetent one. It’s made me very happy.
“Which might not be so uninformed if the media did its job….”
Don’t be a whiny high school romantic activist. Their job isn’t to inform. It’s to make money.
If you really wanted to know why Obama won, you would correlate answers with votes.
I betcha nearly all Obama voters know Bush is a republican, so they voted against republicans.
High R-sqared.
And meya is right….it isn’t the media’s job to educate the electorate. That is the candidates job.
The media’s job is to make $. If it bleeds it leads.
It seems like picking a fight with the “elitist gotcha media” and then hiding out for a month while cramming is not exactly a genius strategy for getting your message out there.
Palin allowed SNL and the media to define her in the absence of any other news about her.
I mean, Palin was the BIG story, for a while.
She could have had a packed pressconference every day.
She could have used the media to get her message out, exploited them, been opportunistic and subversive.
She didn’t.
She hid out, and emerged as a preprogrammed attackdog and stump speech generator primed with Steve Schmidt talking points.
Did no one have a thought for what would happen to her afterwards?
She burned up all her bi-partisan credit.
She called the man who is now president-elect a terrorist and a socialist.
She did McCain’s dirty work, and now McCain gets invited to sit downs with Obama.
But not Sarah.
She wan’t ready.
That is the youth demographic loathes republicans.
A lot you eat your young.
Don’t let it happen to Jindal. please.
why the youth demographic loathes republicans.
….it isn’t the media’s job to educate the electorate. That is the candidates job.
Actually it is the individual voters job to educate themselves. If you weren’t a fascist you would know this.
The media’s job is to make $. If it bleeds it leads.
Yet they haven’t went after any of the potential Obama scandals, which could generate millions.
(Palin)could have used the media to get her message out, exploited them, been opportunistic and subversive.
She didn’t.
She hid out, and emerged as a preprogrammed attackdog and stump speech generator primed with Steve Schmidt talking points.
Did no one have a thought for what would happen to her afterwards?
She burned up all her bi-partisan credit.
She did what she was asked to do. Grownups understand this. It has also become apparent to most of us that bi-partisan in McCain speak means being a back-stabbing mercenary who cares about nothing but political expediency.
The last thing the next Republican candidate is going to need is bi-partisan credit.
Yes, by selling a product. What product is that?
I’ll take that as a yes.
Meya’s just happy that the stupid people on her side of the isle (and there are many over there) responded to the Colbert, and Bill Maher, and SNL skit. They don’t give a shit about the role the media plays in a democracy.
….it isn’t the media’s job to educate the electorate. That is the candidates job.
Actually it is the individual voters job to educate themselves. If you weren’t a fascist you would know this.
I just wanted to highlight this comment, with B Moe’s response.
It is the CANDIDATES job to educated the electorate? Let’s put that on simmer for a while and see what cooks.
No, sry, B Moes…..that is going to be the first thing you need.
You don’t have a majority anymore. The Incredible Shrinking GOP.
And I told you guys months ago McCain would do anything to win.
Nate interviews Zeigler.
I dig Nate. He is young, geeky, and statitistics-l33t.
Do you remember when he was Poblano and Karl and I usta argue about him? In the primaries?
Not going to win you any youth voters, that. We all dig Nate. ;)
Here feets,
Hadouken! Get Smashed Gate Crash
Welcome to our world…we are the wasted youth…….and we are the future.
You don’t have a majority anymore. The Incredible Shrinking GOP.
And if you didn’t have the attention span of a gnat you would remember that just a few months ago people were saying the same thing about the Democrats, that their party was dead. Things change fast these days, don’t they?
And I told you guys months ago McCain would do anything to win.
And you think this was correct? Seriously?
Nishi – allow me to let you in on an unfortunate reality. The youth …. grow up. I mean, not all of ’em, but most of them.
And – I know you’re not going to believe me -but it’s TRUE, it’s TRUE … people often become more conservative as they grow up. They realize much of their idealism is bullshit and lies. Conservatives have NEVER had the youth vote. NEVER.
Umm..and Nate is right..that is a nonscientific push poll.
Zeigler couldn’t even state his hypothesis or justify asking a question with no correct answer.
Illformed questions, bad experimental design, means you have nothing but anectdotal evidence.
If your goal is to rehabilitate Palin, i think you have to wait at least until 2016, for a new generation of youth that hasn’t had the Fey satires engraved on their neocortex.
But there a lot of other reasons that you prolly can’t attract youth demographic voters besides Palin.
;)
A couple days ago Nishi stated that Palin had driven away the evangelical youth vote, I don’t think she is as in touch with younger voters as she thinks she is. Her little SF Nerd Clique isn’t exactly representative.
sry Carin, studies done now point to retaining party affiliation once you are registered.
….for life.
Also, the only two demographics McCain won in were over65 and evangelicals.
Youth isn’t your only problem.
I didn’t say anything like that.
I said 32% of young evangelicals voted for Obama.
I have no data on why.
Carin, we discussed this before.
The candidate is applying for a job with american people.
They have to fill out the job application by campaigning and getting their message out.
The electorate decides on hiring.
Oh, I see Nishi. The youth today are different. That’s nice child. Now run along and play.
And, uhm, Nate is wrong. It wasn’t a push poll. But, you dig ’em so what-ev!
That is the WORST comparison I’ve ever hear. Honestly, you should be embarrassed.
The candidate “fills” out the application, but who is supposed to do the interview? ’cause I didn’t get that call where Obama was gonna come to my living room and answer some concerns of mine.
THE MEDIA is supposed to do that.
lol, definitely a push poll.
see how mad Zeigler got?
he’s your Michael Moore.
I think tomorrow I’m gonna apply for a job as Rocket Science. ‘cept, I’m not gonna allow anyone to view my college transcripts (secret!) and my interview will consist of a bunch of fancy commercials and stump speeches.
You’re off your nut.
/shrug
You lost. It wasn’t the medias fault.
There were a lot of reasons, but you can check Powell, Adelman and Buckley for some of them.
Hey, Nishi, you fucking retard:http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1641
Are Zogby’s own words stating it wasn’t a push poll enough for you? Or, do you have your own facts and that’s enough for you?
Now, fuck off.
You’re not welcome here.
That’s been made abundantly clear many times in the past. Your handwaving and obfuscation are not interesting, enlightening, or entertaining. They suck the life out of an otherwise pleasurable reading experience, and, quite frankly, it’s irritating.
Go publicly stick a gerbil up your own ass somewhere else.
Buckley? He wrote nice little fluff pieces. Please.
Listen, I’m well aware that we lost. Concerns about the media, though, have more to do with my long-term concern for my country. Democracy will not function when the media is in the tank for one party.
How about you try to focus, and not view this through the prism that we are mainly concerned with justifying why McCain lost. I think many of us are actually sort of relieved. At issue “here” is the charge that Obama voters knew every last detail about Palin, and virtually nothing of substance about those they were voting for.
Well, that worked a lot bettter than attacking the other applicant for past associations and whining about unfair media access while hiding from the press,
The programmable zombie youth vote will crush you! Bwaaaahahahahahah!!!! We control the neocortex! And the horizontal!
We already know that, Carin. McCain is old. Really old. And O! is yummyliciousgimmeo!gasms. Youth likes that.
Yea, but when I get hired by NASA … well, lets just say you wouldn’t want to be an astronaut.
But, yea, Obama won. Yea Team.
Obama shaped his public image image over 4 years.
Palin had 2 months.
Of course she got sensationalized.
She was Big News.
This is nishi’s Nate who she admires so much?
We don’t like Zogby’s client! He must be PUNISHED.
Well the media isn’t the cause, it is a symptom.
Journalists come out of academe, and academe is liberal. That is why you need conservative youth, so they can grow up to be journos.
You might could try to transform that, but you will have to give up on imposing your socon values on other citizens to do it.
When the GOP embraced “life-at-conceptionâ€Â, oppression of citizen minorities like gays, and the rejection of ToE in favor of superstition (â€ÂIntelligent†design), the GOP essentially ceded academe to the left.
The GOP can’t be the anti-science and anti-reason party, and expect to get hegemony in colleges.
It is impossible.
Yes Carin, Zeigler’s push poll is bad science.
Oh. Kate’s attacking the cartoons in her head again. We should probably leave her to do that alone.
Dunno, Pablo, maybe Kate could attack those cartoons somewhere else?
That is not a push poll, for the hundredth time.
Words mean things. Try to remember that, perhaps after you finish tilting at your cranial windmills.
Honestly, nishi, bored now. Don’t you have any new material?
Polling is all about removing bias….sample bias, question bias, so we can pull out the truth.
A push poll is nothing but bias, so the results can only be anecdotal.
Zogby practiced bad statistics in executing a bady designed poll with illformed questions.
So in the mathworld, Zogby’s reputation as an unbiased pollster has taken a hit, and the credibility of future Zogby polls comes into question.
That would be nice, Rob. I’m just saying that it seems like watching someone cutting themselves or masturbating with a rusty crowbar. Ewwww.
How ’bout you explain how ANY of the questions were ill informed.
And, then you explain how they differ from any and all of the polls done before the election.
Next, why don’t you just admit that those polls that stroked Teh One were ok, because they said what you wanted to hear, and that this polls has your panties in a bunch because it suggests something unseemly.
Finally, why don’t you go to some other blog where no one cares that you don’t ever prove or argue ANYTHING. Who don’t mind that you mindless repeat the same 8 talking points over and over and that all your points eventually lead back to the same obtuse conclusions you come up with regarding conservatives.
Hey, Zogby’s job is to make money, right? Ziegler’s too. So, what ever they do in pursuit of that is OK. Right, kate?
Excuse the typos. But, I am responding to nishi, so it’s my way of speaking her language. yea … that’s it.
It was a push poll, pablow.
It was designed to push the meme that media bias cost McCain/Palin the election.
My point is, if that is true, what are you going to do about it?
kk
have your echo chamber back.
may your years in the wilderness be long and prosperous.
Push pollers aren’t collecting data, they’re disseminating information. There are no collected results to analyze. It isn’t even polling, it’s just designed to look like polling. It’s faux polling. This is not a push poll. Repeating the charge won’t redifine the term. It just makes you look like an idiot, which, of course, is nothing new.
And which questions contained that information? How was that notion delivered to those who were polled?
Go with the hot chick and a diverse dude. Duh.
Consider this my daily wondering-aloud of why you folks insist on engaging nishi. It’s not going to make a difference. It’s never going to make a difference. Continuing to engage as if there’s an argument to win or an opinion that can be swayed is the very definition of insanity.
have your echo chamber back.
may your years in the wilderness be long and prosperous
I asked you to illustrate how ONE OF the questions were ill-formed, and instead you just repeated your “push-poll” meme. You’re not actually proving anything.
It’s just too much to ask that someone support their assertions.
Slart, is it my fault no one else is around to talk to (here) in the morning?
I find it funny, because nishi accuses us of existing in an echo chamber. We call that projecting in my house. Nishi may read thoughts that don’t agree with her world view. They just don’t seem to penetrate to any level.
Slart, do you know why people skip rocks across ponds?
Or teach new words to parrots?
/sigh
Well….it is a push poll, designed to push the meme that media bias cost McCain/Palin the election.
There is no experimental design, no null hypothesis, and some questions were illformed, like the question about Palin and Russia which actually has no correct answer.
So the only results that can be drawn are anecdotal.
This is a fine anecdotal documentary effort, but Zogby cannot say anything statistically significant about results, because they didn’t practice statistical polling techniques.
This is peer with a Michael Moore documentary….there are no statistical results, only anectdotal ones.
Zeigler simply cannot say anything statitistically significant about Obama voters, and if Zogby told him he could, he should ask for his money back.
In school we have a name for this kind of mock polling used in documentaries–
“Barry Manilow Statistics”
It’s all about the feeeeeeeeelings, whoawhoawhoa, feeeelings.
lol
nishi want a cracker?
Monty Python Parrots?
FEAR THE PROGRAMMABLE ZOMBIE YOUTH!!!!
Hey, watch this!
Bla bla bla, nsihi. You’ve repeated the same thing, like, six times.
Let’s just deal with the Palin question. The poll was designed to see which messages the media was able to convey. That question supported the assertion that people BELIEVED Palin said she could see Russia from her house. Of course, she didn’t say that. The question wasn’t aimed to reveal “truthy” messages.
Honestly, until nishi gets insulting this is ok. I mean, it’s a dead thread … and at least she’s on topic.
Is SNL “the media”?
I mean, whose meme was it?
Where did the respondents get their exposure?
Did thye watch SNL or get it second hand from the MSM?
Media:
the main means of mass communication (esp. television, radio, newspapers, and the Internet) regarded collectively : [as adj. ] the campaign won media attention.
Yes.
Well considering every week those SNL skits were replayed over and over again on most news channels, and pre-flagged on Yahoo as their #1 story every week on Monday, I would say yes they were presented as “newsworthy” by the newsmakers. You got any more questions Kate?
Kate do you watch SNL? I don’t either, not to many people do, but yet somehow everyone heard about them making fun of Palin. Hmmmmm I wonder why????????
see, that is what i mean.
why did a lot of people believe that?
did they watch SNL and think Fey was using Palin’s exact words? cuz sometimes Fey did use Palin’s exact words.
or did they watch media coverage secondhand and think that was Palin’s words that Fey used?
do you think the media should have put a caveat on every view of the skit, saying that sometimes Fey used Palin’s exact words and sometimes not?
Why don’t you ask these folks. Google brings half a million hits from “Palin Russia from her house.”
this blogger even titles the youtube clip from Couric with “Palin can see Russia from her House.”
I watch SNL religiously.
And South Park and Robot Chicken.
And sometimes Death Note.
I’m glad that you’re able to lay out the low bar you have for journalism.
And there you go.
kate, why are you asking questions when you refuse to answer them?
It was news.
And it was funnie.
You are so offended by what you percieve as a covert effort to destroy Palin.
She said it!
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
lol.
ou are so offended by what you percieve as a covert effort to destroy Palin.
She said it!
She said what, Kate? What did she say?
“It was news.”
Again you contradict earlier statements you make. Very noble of you. Can you give me your thoughts on Obama’s first 100 days in office and what he wants to accomplish???? Oh sorry scratch that give me your thoughts on Palin’s tanning bed and religious extremism.
but talking about campaigning in 57 states? NOT FUNNY!
It’s really sad that there is absolutely nothing humorous about Teh One, Maggie.
Lol, Palin gave up the raw material.
Palin was only in the media for 2 months.
So everylittle thing she said was news.
hehe, she said “neighborhoods” so it was a simple extrapolation to her house.
but even neighborhoods was a dumb thing to say in the context of the question, wasn’t it?
It was news, there was intense interest in Palin at first, but the more she said, the more independents and women switched her off.
The South Park was good I thought.
um, no. watch the clip again.
Three questions for you. Kate can you give me your thoughts on O!’s first 100 days? Can you give me your thoughts on O! being able to sit in a racist church for 20 years and how that may or may not be a sign of his character and judgement? Finally, wouldn’t the answers to those 2 questions be more “newsworthy” than an SNL skit on Palin?
What Maggie said, nishi. That is not what she said.
Look, i just want props.
I predicted Palin would cleave the GOP along the intellectual fault line and she did.
Frum and Buckley left NRO, Powell and Adelman voted for Obama, Parker and Noonan and Will and others defected.
And they all cited the Palin pick as part of their rational.
You guys go right ahead, persist in your magical thinking. Toss Palin the reins, create your own version of SNL, w/e.
But I think I get props.
I predicted this.
no props for you! your early onset is showing.
It was news.
And it was funnie.
Lol, I’m not your problem. I would have never voted for any ticket that put Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency. McCain is OLD, member?
The youth demographic is your problem.
People that are in unis now, that just got out of unis, or that are going to unis in the next four years.
The SNL youth cohort.
Most of those people believe Palin is a retard.
How do you change their minds?
I don’t think you can.
Well, you are the neighborhood lunatic eugenecist who keeps threatening to go away but never does. So, yeah, you sorta are.
And the youth that graduate from unis and go into journalism.
Yes, Palo, i thought that was funnie.
I loved the dinner where McCain and O both had comic routines.
That was the high point of McCain for me, he was funnie and likeable.
What is your point?
Give me props and I’ll go.
C’mon, you got served.
I tolja so.
;)
And they think Obama is God. Low information voters. The left side of the bell curve. The kate cohort. Some of them will be conditioned. Others are hopeless.
Nishi, you said “hehe, she said “neighborhoods†so it was a simple extrapolation to her house.”
But she said:” hey’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.â€Â
Most of those people believe Palin is a retard.s?
Ironically … those people are the “retards”. Funny how it works like that.
But, back to the point. She didn’t say that, SNL parodied it to support the “Palin is stupid” meme, meme is repeated half-a-million times on the internet, and who knows how many times on the TV.
Zogby does a poll that supports the assertion that Palin lies and minutia were well covered, while FACTS regarding O! and Biden were ignored. Thus, a biased media is a threat to our Democracy. Try to stay focused.
I know it’s hard, child.
you also told us there were 12 supreme court justices. so no. no props for you.
Grammatically correct, proper capitalization, spelling and punctuation… Awesome job, girl! Props to you. I knew you could do it!
Bye!
Damn. I feel as if I’ve somehow failed you. Nishi isn’t someone to talk to, though. She’s someone who’s talking at you. And vice versa, really, since pretty much anything you say will be only acknowledged, at most, and completely forgotten in ten minutes or less.
Typical early-onset short-term memory loss, IOW.
Was you ever stung by a dead bee, Slart?
Props to nishi, who may well be the world’s smartest dumbass.
I’ve never been stung by a bee that lived to brag about it, so in that sense: yes. No zombie bees, though.
But what if Palin is stupid?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and all the magical thinking in the world isn’t going to change it into an intellectual.
Or even a “bright”.
Like Brooks said….the human capital just isn’t there.
lol.
She’d still be sharper than you are.
Weren’t you leaving, kate?
Pablow, your problem is that you get your fair share of the low information voters just fine.
You are not getting your fair share of the upper half. So you get the 40percent.
That won’t win elections.
sucker
But what if Palin is stupid?
And, what if Obama’s got his gig on Harvard Law Review because of AA?
These are two things for which we will never know. Because the media is too heavily invested in the “Palin-is-the-stupid” meme and totally uninterested in the other.
Pablow, your problem is that you get your fair share of the low information voters just fine.
You are not getting your fair share of the upper half. So you get the 40percent.
Honestly – I would put our low information voters against yours any day. I don’t think the Bell curves would match up.
No, Obama got the SNL/People magazine crowd. And you. That’s a huge chunk of the relatively stupid.
Because I love to watch you guys punch yourselves in the face whenever someone says Palin.
lol.
Its reflexive!!
hahahaha
Please do not interpret a non-response as a victory, nishi. I’m just bored now.
aw Carin, how could you possibly be bored hearing the same crazy, stupid thing over and over and over and over again?
Was you ever stung by a dead bee, maggie?
Besides, Balloon Juice. That’s like journalism or something.
no, Sdferr, I’ve never been stung by a bee, dead or otherwise. not going outside, like, ever tends to lessen the chances of that happening.
I’m investing in the Carin-is-the-stupid meme.
FOAD thor
FOAD? Because I’m the one whose posts don’t make sense?
FOAD? Because I’m the one whose posts don’t make sense?
Because that’s gonna be my standard response to you from now on. Because you’re an asshole.
Among other things, yes.
My asshole takes offense at the comparison, Carin.
Heh. Sorry Slart.
‘sallright, Carin. It’s just that what comes out of my asshole’s mouth is just a whole lot more pleasant than what comes out of thor’s mouth. And a great deal more intelligible, too.
So, please: do not malign my asshole by comparison again.
sara palin is to kind to say this so i will good for her to attck th eliberal media and thier moronic bias, So to those liberals idiots i will say it for her to Curic and Gibson letterman, The View etc…FUCK YOU….. Sara is the governor with an 82% approval rating, she eliminated property taxes, gave a yearly dividend check to every citizen of her state, she controls 26,000 employees, has an operating budget of 14.2 billion dollar budget, controls the National Guard ( who is the first line of defense to USSR…which is across the Bering Straight…. has executive and administrative experience, had her own party’s gov jailed due to corruption, so ……….. lets put that up to Tina Faye and UPchuuck Curic, she also kicked Biden’s 26 year in Senate ass in her first national debate, but the liberals are and were to busy slobering all over Hussein to be fair and balanced…. so now WHERE IS THE CHANGE???? retreads from the ORAL office ….
Sarah Palin could not beat a 3rd grade debate team. Get for real! She never once addressed or spoke in depth about anything during VP debate. The media cannot be blamed for the fact Sen. McCain picked an idiot for a candidate. If he had picked someone who was experienced and qualified, we very well could have won the Presidency.
Yes, I’m sorry. The President and Vice President families should be held to higher standard as leading families. Sarah Palin had chose to parade her family before America. After the Republician convention, those kids could have returned to Alaska. There was no reason for them to be on campaign trail. Yes, it was not appealing to most Americans that her DAUGHTER WAS PREGNANT! and high school drop-out by traditional means.
Get over it! WE LOST THE DAMN ELECTION!
You sound like a bitchy person.
Hey Janice,
Moby much?
I’m thinking that I have so little in common with Janice that her use of “we” doesn’t really make any sense.
No, Janice, “you” lost the election by nominating Fuckstain McCain. I wasn’t even planning to vote until he picked Palin.
So… let’s pick our pronouns a little more carefully, shall we?
Especially since you’re quite likely to be a leftoid axelturfer, anyway.
Palin scares the crap out of you, doesn’t she?
GREAT FILM! FINALLY THE TRUTH! JESUS SAVES!
Thanks for posting this. Nicely done! (By the way, I was impressed with your ranking on Yahoo too, good job!) I’ll be checking back later to read some of your other stuff…