— Which is really not much different in kind, headline-wise, from, say, “Pittsburgh Steelers Playbook Shows Array of Running Plays”.
But let’s venture on anyway. From Amanda Carpenter, Townhall:
Documents obtained by Townhall show the Democratic Party encouraged party activists to accuse the GOP of intimidating minorities on Election Day even if no evidence of intimidation existed in the 2004 presidential election. The tactic is being used again in 2008, this time to downplay fraud charges against a predominantly minority non-profit supporting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Weeks before the Nov. 4 election Barack Obama’s campaign said the Republicans are attempting to suppress votes by drawing attention to the Association for Community Organizers for Reform Now’s involvement in rampant voter registration fraud across the nation. The nonprofit actively supports Democratic causes, such as minimum wage increases and housing assistance. ACORN endorsed Obama for president last February and has been paid by his campaign to conduct get out the vote activities during the Democratic primary.
ACORN wasn’t a household name in the last election but documents show Democrats were just as eager to accuse the GOP of treating minorities unfairly in 2004 as they are in 2008.
A nine-page section of 66-page 2004 Kerry Edwards Colorado state Election Day Manual titled “Minority Voter Intimidation†begins: “Over the past twenty years, there have been repeated efforts by the Republican party and Republican Party candidates to harass and intimidate minority voters in an effort to reduce the number of African-American and/or Latino voters.†The manual then instructs Democrats how to look for minority voter intimidation tactics and how to publicize it to the media with special tactics designed for mainstream and specialty press.
Such intimidation tactics might take the forms of “efforts to create longer lines at the polls, targeting in minority communities,†or “slower responses to voting machine breakdowns in minority precincts.â€Â
“If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a ‘pre-emptive strike.’†The manual said this should be done by placing stories in mainstream and specialty press “in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics†and “prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points.â€Â
Some of the suggested talking points included lines like “Nothing is more despicable than trying to deprive any American of the previous right to vote, the foundation of our democracy for which so many have sacrificed.â€Â
The 2004 manual said a preemptive strategy was “particularly well-suited to states in which there [sic] tactics have been tried in the past.â€Â
As a Coloradan, let me interrupt here to report on a story that isn’t yet getting much national play, namely, that many of us who sent in forms for mail-in ballots have still not received them. The Denver Election commission blames the problem on the California-based printing house, and assures us that we’ll receive our ballots in time. But the story is worth keeping an eye on, as Colorado has become a potentially pivotal state — and one that many experts pointed to as potentially susceptible to voter fraud.
End digression.
Carpenter:
The Democrats’ preemptive strike has been delivered from Barack Obama’s legal team this time around.
Obama’s lawyers are demanding that the Department of Justice to investigate GOP presidential candidate John McCain, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and other Republican politicians because they have drawn attention to ACORN’s fraudulent activities on the campaign trail.
“Agents of the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee have been striking locally at election officials and boards around the country, sowing confusion and seeking through baseless legal maneuvers to discourage and harass voters and impede their exercise of their right to vote,†Obama for America’s General Counsel Robert Bauer said on a conference call with reporters last week.
Obama’s legal team is specifically taking issue with McCain’s remarks that ACORN’s voter registration fraud “threatens the fabric of our Democracy†and Palin’s assessment that there is a “choice between a candidate who won’t disavow a group committing voter fraud and a leader who won’t tolerate voter fraud.â€Â
Bauer made his request for an investigation in a letter to the DOJ that said McCain and Palin were “sensationalizing this message by repeating it at the state and local level in violation of the law to harass voters and impede their exercise of their rights.â€Â
Former Republican Sens. John Danforth of Missouri and Warren Rudman of New Hampshire are chairing an “Honest and Open Elections Committee†on behalf of the McCain campaign to take action against voter fraud. The GOP has asked Obama to participate, but the Democrats have declined.
Bauer said the committee will impede people from voting rather than safeguarding against voter fraud.
As a sign of the times, the DOJ, rather than investigate ACORN’s documented abuses, are rather more interested, it seems, in the race-baiting suggestion that calling attention to registration fraud whose goal it is, long-term, to undermine the electorate’s faith in the election process, is itself guilty of undermining the electorate’s faith in the election process.
What voters don’t know, Obama’s counsel and the DOJ seem to be saying, won’t hurt them — and that the truth, given that it could damage voter confidence, is far more deleterious than the quiet cover-up.
Charming, how the “greater good” concept works, isn’t it?
Not that any of this should surprise us. Race-baiting and playing identity groups off against each other — while directing their anger toward “right wingers,” with their antiquated ideas about individualism — is the established game plan for today’s progressive-led Democratic party.
Which, in a way, smacks of the strategy used by certain autocratic or totalitarian regimes who rely on scapegoating of certain peoples in order to divert attention away from their own cynical manipulations of the electorate.
Pretty, pretty progressivism!
This seems like a corollary to the 2000 Gore school of undermining elections wherein a seed is planted in the public mind that fraud had been committed, even if no evidence is produced to support said accusations, and then the ‘victim’ of said ‘fraud’ can go on claiming in Oscar winning movies that “I used to be the next president of the United States,” with the result being only elections won by Democrats are sanctioned legitimate, or some such.
Ruh-roh, cleo is back with the talking points.
So, investigating ACORN = Voter Suppression? Got it, Cleo.
Well yes Carin. Investigating ACORN is suppressing the votes of patriotic Americans like Mickey Mouse. Why do you hate America, Carin?
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/27 @ 9:48 am #
Do you speak English?
Slavery was a specifically an institution of the Democratic Party.
Eugene “Bull” O’Connor (the poster boy of American racism) was a Democrat.
The poll tax was a Democratic institution.
Jim Crow laws were instituted by Democrats
What was that about “voter suppression” again, seman?
Those of us keeping up with electoral events recognize that Colorado is one of the states where voters are in danger of having their rights undercut by fraud…
Have you seen any of the homeless guy roundups there in person Jeff G? Or perhaps any of the uneducated idiot roundups? Because it’s going on in your state, according to wire reports…
And, while definately exposing the Lefty chicanery at work by the Democrats in 2004 and by extrapolation during this cycle, Carpenter’s documents shows something more impirtant and insidious.
It verifies, for any interested persons to see, the very instutionalizing of the race card by the left, to be cynically played in demagogic and/or intimidating fashion…
Best Wishes…
Hey that chick should be prosecuted (Ron Paul!), but that somehow negates the issue in question how, exactly?
Anything for the tip jar, semen?
“Which, in a way, smacks of the strategy used by certain autocratic or totalitarian regimes who rely on scapegoating of certain peoples in order to divert attention away from their own cynical manipulations of the electorate.”
Yeah, but didn’t previous regimes generally choose to scapegoat ethnic, racial, or religious minority segments of the population…?
Here we have a twisted version, where the minority is exerting control by guilt-tripping the majority in order to obfuscate their own transgressions…?
Democrats for peace from Redstate
I am deeply, deeply depressed by the DoJ complicity on display here.
Democracy only works when the governed consent to be governed.
The Left has suborned the system to almost the highest levels. If Obama steals the White House, there won’t be any doubt that the Constitution is a dead letter. I think that the Ayers/Wright/Kucinich/Kos demographic has done an extremely poor job of thinking through the consequences that must accompany a socialist/Marxist victory.
There won’t be any check/balance/electoral mechanism left.
But… that’s just crazy talk. That’s too horrible to happen.
“…or any young republicans filing false police reports…?”
Which was a reference I thought implied the carved face B girl. Sorry I didn’t glean more from a single sentence, wouldn’t want to rip your intent away, ya know. But there are things called links, ya know, which one typically uses to corroborate statements.
Buy stocks………..
Don’t have to, the government did it for me!
“Comment by Semanticleo on 10/27 @ 9:59 am #
…or any young republicans filing false police reports…?”
Republican?
Heya Cleo. Mornin’ PWers.
Of course if Obama wins in November (and sweeps a veto-proof majority into congress with him) it will be the result of the Super Evil Devilcrats and their Swarthy Homeless Handmaidens of Death stealing the election from the Vestal Virgins of the Republican Party (of course with the help of the Illuminati Media). Rivers will turn to blood, dogs and cats will lie together……total freakin chaos, man!!11!1!
Wolverines!!
Wonder Clown Powers…………Activate!
We’ll see who riots!
“…or any young republicans filing false police reports…?”
How is that “voter suppression”? Bwuhahahahahaha. This is it. The totality of the insane one’s mind. Besides, I would have thought that semantic would have some empathy for that young lady. Kindred spirits and all.
So Lisa darlin’, what’s going on here, do ya’think? Does this sort of fact-suppression make sense in any world with an honest and free press?
So what if there’s a basis in fact, Lisa?
What if he gets in and then there’s incontrovertible proof he cheated? What do you think should happen in that case, assuming it were true?
Sdferr, is this like the Michelle Obama “whitey” tape? Forgive me but I am terribly leery of “suppressed tapes”. Yes, our media is lazy, stupid, and downright wicked most of the time. But all of these tapes, videos, secret ranting whitey-hating phone calls, secret hatey-hate papers, etc. that allegedly damn the Obamas have yet to surface. Shit, even the CIA and the NSA occasionally leak. I find it hard to believe that the press can keep a secret better than the boys and girls over in Langley, VA.
What is it with Obama and terrorists?
Urthshu: He might be fucked. But probably not, if history is any guide. Feel free to make a movie, ala HBO’s “Recount”.
#Comment by Lisa on 10/27 @ 10:25 am #
“Proud of America for the first time” wasn’t enough?
I keep forgetting about the class act that the Dems were after losing presidential elections the past couple of cycles. They set a very high bar…
…or any young republicans filing false police reports…?
Or democrats hanging Palin replicas by a noose?
The tape certainly may turn out to be apocryphal, but why wouldn’t the LA times just say ‘this is all bs, here look for yourself,’ or ‘we don’t have any tape.’ But the real problem here is that this whole unease the media has about examining negative O! stories. Same problem with Ayers, wherein the straw man defense is immediately trotted (no Jon Stewart, McCain did not call Obama a terrorist). The problem really is that O! and these Wright, Ayers, Khalidi chaps are ideologically simpatico. It’s exceedingly reasonable to ask what O! would do if Israel and Iran got in a shooting war in the context of his friendship with Khalidi and Biden’s recent comments. Except we’ll never see that happen.
oh. This is on point. I’m in a crunch kind of so if somebody already linked I are sorry. Chagrined even.
It’s scary what people will do to usher in socialisms and kill America.
Lisa, you ignore (with a purpose, I think) the relevant facts and introduce non sequiturs (the bogus Michelle tape) in order to misdirect the question and your answer.
That the event took place is beyond question already. There are still-photographs of this event available on the web. The LATimes in has acknowledged the existence of the tape, possession of it, and has refused to release it.
The CIA etc. have nothing to do with the question and again are merely misdirection and temporizing, in my opinion. We have no idea what is on the tape until we see it. No-one, to my knowledge, has suggested what is said or has testified to what was said. It is a simple matter to clear up though. Just show the tape, let it be seen and let the chips fall where they may. Why not, particularly if nothing is there to embarrass anyone?
Kirk, yes. We were trailblazers on that front.
Baracky is not jew-friendly for reals, Lisa. I know he says he is jew-friendly but I wouldn’t believe him cause he’s only saying that stuff to trick people. His church supported Hamas. It’s the craziest thing really.
That the event took place is beyond question already.
My position is that I don’t know that this event took place. Color me unimpressed by this latest rumor.
One thing is certain: The possible Obama Presidency promises to have more shits and giggles coming from the right than Bill Clinton ever had. Forget murdered best friends and bombs on his cabinet member’s airplanes. If Obama wins, he is going to (literally) be da’ bomb for Regenery Press, Clownhall, Wingnut Daily, et al for the next 4-8 years.
Squee!!
I have to go meet with my fellow Obamatized Jackbooted Commie Thugs over lunch (Meatless Socialist Rations).
We are going to talk about how to take your guns and make you worship a Black Jesus.
— Comrade S. T.
How Lisa? The link I provided you had a link to this LATimes article about the event itself. do you think the LATimes made it all up?
“One thing is certain: The possible Obama Presidency promises to have more shits and giggles coming from the right than Bill Clinton ever had. Forget murdered best friends and bombs on his cabinet member’s airplanes. If Obama wins, he is going to (literally) be da’ bomb for Regenery Press, Clownhall, Wingnut Daily, et al for the next 4-8 years.”
Like the last 8 years?
Nah it is ok to make up crazy conspiracies about Repubs. It is only “crazy” and “wingnutty” when you do it to Dem prez’s.
Thay can take my gun away – one slug at a time!
Lisa,
I just hope there are plenty of psychiatrists and suicide attempts counselors in this country.
It seems to me after Nov 4th they will be in the great demand.
Look at the Corner and dumb assholes who are still there.
Shark was jumped, definitely.
Dark Night of the Soul 10.25.08 — 10:56PM By David Kurtz
Barack Obama is noted for his powerful intellect, but I don’t think he gets nearly enough credit for the mental dexterity it takes to be simultaneously an Islamic theocrat, atheistic communist and national socialist while posing as a center left candidate. Those must be the compartmentalization skills they taught him at that Manchurian madrasah in Indonesia.
The fact that Obama embodies the worst nightmares of so many on the political far- right says far more about them that it does him. In this piece at The Corner ( link, Mark R. Levin, bristling over normally rational conservatives like Colin Powell and Charles Fried falling under Obama’s demagogic spell, pushes ajar the door to his inner psyche, where the horrors are of the communist-cum-Nazi variety. Levin doesn’t go in much for the Obama as closet Muslim nightmare. I’m sure it’s just a failure of imagination.
So Sashal when he votes in favor of the Fairness Doctrine that will just be good ol fasion politics or will that be the government shutting down free speech which is a halmark of most socialist governments?
Rather than answer direct and specific questions, we have yet another example of fluff and follderall, which, while presumably intended as good humor and jest, does nothing to advance any serious discussion of the issue at question. More indirection and fog-laying, really, with mild discourtesies (Clownhall, Wingnut Daily, etc) thrown in for what? Thanks a heap.
Last warning: you accuse me again of moderating comments in real time (an impossibility on a site with this kind of traffic) and you’re gone.
Got it?
My main question is Sdferr, when exactly will these “conspiracies” and “wing-nut” fantasies NOT be “jumping the shark”? I mean what does the guy have to do kill a puppy on stage? He already attended a racist church for 20 years, openly associated (until it became a problem in the polls) and helped “teach” kids with a communist/domestic terrorist, and now a group he worked for and payed campaign funds to (first as “lighting and stage props” but later amended to voter registration) is enganged in a massive voter fraud effort. I really do not see anything he can do that would be viewed as a legitimate problem by his supporters if all that doesn’t deter them.
Pink, there will be no fairness doctrine back again.
Never heard Obama was talking about it( you fantasize much? right? you like those nightmares of commie sturmbrigades marching on the streets?)
And if there will be any attempt to restrict free expression I will go to arms myself. Trust me…
Sdferr,
It is uncomfortable for some people on the Left (and Right sometimes too) to say “yes, it does appear that our ___________ has done something wrong.” I haven’t seen much of that on the Right in a while (have you ever seen a bunch so upset with their own alleged party canidate on so many issues?) but it puzzles me some with Sen Obama’s supporters. No admission of ANY error, slight mistake, disagreement with a position can ever be mentioned with a larger percentage of his backers than any time perhaps short of FDRs staunchest friends.
I don’t get it – this is America, where beefing about politicians is a birthright – what gives with all the shuddering avoidance of anything that might reflect badly on any part of Left – or even straight denial that there is any problems anywhere?
I am stuck in transit to Kuwait and if it wasn’t for this brief internet availability, I wouldn’t have even heard of any of this. I apologize for the bewilderment.
I would suppose your conclusions as to Obama’s supporters are self-evident, Mr. Pink. You have the right and, as far as I can see, the ability to refuse to play the “conspiracy/wing-nut” labeling game with them. Rather, stand on your legitimate questions, keep fact in the forefront, don’t engage in name calling, don’t engage in making things up or misdirecting in the manner in which Obama’s acolytes are wont to do, stick to the questions and the facts, avoid specious arguments (of the sort we see in the “citizenship” questions) and demand clarity from your respondents.
Well if your in Arifjan John make sure you take a dip in the pool. Last time I was there they had the only hot girl on the entire base as a lifeguard.
Maj John, I must confess that I fear I may have done something of the sort in my defense of our Iraq war conduct during the period of the breakout and intensification of the al Qaeda insurgency circa 2004/2006 due to my extreme fear that any such admission of fault, in the face of the equally intense political/propagandistic/press assault on policy back here in the US, would/could result (be used to further) in the abdication of our national responsibilities to win the war on the part of our jelly-legged polity and political representation. The fear of loss entire, due to the possibility of playing into the opposition’s propaganda efforts had got into me and colored what I was inclined to think about what little reportage I could get out of the theater. So I had a hard time coming to grips with the deteriorating situation on the ground.
So much for my experience of the phenomenon you describe. Can the same motivation possibly hold true in this climate of political bi-furcation? I can’t easily see why that would be the case, though I can’t rule it out entirely. The ground seems to be shifting in ways none of us, on either side of the political divide, has seen in our lifetimes, setting aside historical events outside our direct experience. Maybe everybody is a little worried about where any given admission may lead?
The fact that Obama embodies the worst nightmares of so many on the political far- right says far more about them that it does him. In this piece at The Corner ( link, Mark R. Levin, bristling over normally rational conservatives like Colin Powell and Charles Fried falling under Obama’s demagogic spell, pushes ajar the door to his inner psyche, where the horrors are of the communist-cum-Nazi variety. Levin doesn’t go in much for the Obama as closet Muslim nightmare. I’m sure it’s just a failure of imagination.
Truer words were never spoken. I read that craziness by Levin and laughed hard. I don’t imagine he thought about what his Nightmare Manifesto revealed about himself.
I would suppose your conclusions as to Obama’s supporters are self-evident, Mr. Pink. You have the right and, as far as I can see, the ability to refuse to play the “conspiracy/wing-nut†labeling game with them. Rather, stand on your legitimate questions, keep fact in the forefront, don’t engage in name calling, don’t engage in making things up or misdirecting in the manner in which Obama’s acolytes are wont to do, stick to the questions and the facts, avoid specious arguments (of the sort we see in the “citizenship†questions) and demand clarity from your respondents.
Since you have made up your mind, why should I bother arguing with you? It is more fun to be snarky. I suppose we will all see if he “hates teh whitey” and wants to send you to work camp (after having his army of gangbangers take your guns) where you will have to read Marx and sing songs in praise of Our Glorious Leader O’Jesus!
Yeah Levin’s crazy rant reveals so much about what he thinks. I agree. Somehow though, Obama sitting through 20 years of “hate whitey” rants and obviously not having any problem with it to the point he appoints the guy to his campaign staff doesn’t reveal anything about him. Oh no no no, no way he could believe the same thing that is just not possible!!!111!!!!!
Lisa if I was a 20 year dues paying member of the NRA it would be quite safe to assume that I believed in the Second Amendment. Doubly so if I started to appoint NRA spokesmen I knew to my campaign if I was running for office. Just saying…
Once again with the non sequiturs Lisa. I don’t write about “hating whitey”, I don’t write about “work camps”, I don’t write about “gangbangers” or “Marx” or “singing songs” or “glorious leader O’Jesus”. I do use the mildly epithetic “Baracky” to refer to Sen Obama now and again. I do oppose his pronounced policies and see for myself where he hides his political views and am not shy to accuse him of lying when he lies.
But you still refuse to even address the question I asked you, let alone answer it. But if you choose snark instead, that’s your right to do, I don’t begrudge.
Important safety tip to some of the folks posting above:
“It’s not a good idea to insult people who take their God and Constitution seriously…and who are also proficient in a variety of individual and crew-served weapons.”
Right. In the 20 years of taped sermons, every last one of them were about Teh Whitey. Those fuckers never even cracked open a bible. AND they changed their gospel music to say “Whitey Hates Me Yes I know, for the Bible Tells Me So….”
Just more evidence that he is going to paint the whitehouse black (replacing the Great Seal with a red and yellow hammer and sickle), and fertilize the Rose Garden with the ground bones of god-fearing Christians (!11!!!!).
— Comrade S.T.
Yes Lisa exactly because you can excuse all of it with snark because Rev. Wright probably actually taught from the Bible once or twice instead of telling his congregation “the white government of the US invented AIDS to kill us”.
Do you extend your excuses to White power churches? I am sure in between hating black people and jews every once in a while they read over the Ten Commandments and preach to the actual scripture.
In the 20 years of taped sermons, every last one of them were about Teh Whitey.
So, what’s the maximum number of racist sermons you’re allowed to preach and still get a pass?
Give us a number, Lisa.
There is no straw man Lisa won’t parrot.
Non sequitur seems to be the order of the day. Carry on.
(Oh, and Rashid Kahlidi (or the great Said, whose endowed chair Kahlidi now occupies)? Ignore him, he’s not important. Bill Ayers, Bernie Dorhn? Nevermind. Mom’s leftist views? Pah, nothing there. Dad’s communist views? Don’t be silly! Frank Marshall? Ha! Give us a break. Where does one get their political opinions anyway? Well, obviously only from reading Madison’s notes on the Constitutional Convention, or maybe a few of those Federalist Paper thingies, whatever. Certainly not from books, professors, parents, peers and political allies and associates!)
SBP I wonder if White power churches get the same number of racist passes? This is kind like a racist version of affirmative action.
So Sashal when he votes in favor of the Fairness Doctrine that will just be good ol fasion politics or will that be the government shutting down free speech which is a halmark of most socialist governments?
If this is the question you are referring to: I think the fairness doctrine is kind of stupid. I don’t like the idea of conservatives pressuring the MSM to report “a certain way” with their incessant whining, and I don’t like the idea of forcing any arm of the media to report “both sides” of any story. Sometimes there is only one side. I think if you are an AM radio station and you want to run rightwingers all day, that is your perogative. Same with leftwing radio or television shows.
I think that even if Obama pushed that ridiculous thing into law, it would be shot down by the court. It is patently unconstitutional. I think after the stultifyingly boring disaster that was Air America, a lot of the steam has gone out of that movement (it is still there though). AM radio is just fucking boring to most people on the left no matter who is on it – the idea of listening to some blowhard rant for hours then listen to his/her even less articulate sycophants call in all day to say “megadittos” is just not appetizing or interesting to most lefties – so if you forced Mike Malloy on right after Limbaugh out of “fairness” we still wouldn’t listen. We will be snottily listening to Diane Rehme or Leonard Lopate. That said, there are people who really like AM radio and I support their right to listen to it unhindered and unmolested.
There.
— Comrade S.T.
I have come to the sad conclusion that it is just socialy acceptable to be racist against white people, especially rich ones. It is what it is.
Pink I am not going to argue with you on Rev. Wright. I don’t condone his crazy talk, but I don’t see him the way you see him. We will NEVER EVER see eye to eye on that so I just won’t take that bait. Throw down your race card all you want. I won’t pick it up.
;-)
Spies, ask the American people. They seem to be the ones giving the free pass.
That question was for Sashal Lisa but thanks for answering. It was in the context though of when will the entire “crazy right-wing rants” be justified. There has to be a rational context where someone on the left can say “ok they have a point”.
Pink I will make sure you can drink out of my drinking fountain.
I am that kind of gal.
— Comrade S.T.
;-)
It is patently unconstitutional.
Nonetheless, it was the law of the land for decades.
I don’t forsee a court with Obama appointees ruling that it is unconstitutional, given his “living document” interpretation.
I see Rev. Wright as a racist. You do not. Obviously from your current and past comments you find racism against white people somewhat ok to the point you will excuse it. Hence why in the past I have called you a racist. I am sure you would say the same thing about me if you saw me on here defending David Duke or excusing him. Whatever though like you said we will NEVER agree on that.
I don’t think Barack hates white people. But his wife does. And his pastor does too. I think he doesn’t like to argue with them because it embarrasses him a little and the self hate makes him uncomfortable.
Lisa does nothing of the sort Mr. Pink. Seems to me you’re getting carried away here, why, I can’t say.
[…] As I noted earlier today, this idea that investigating voter fraud is somehow unfair, or a tactic to attempt to […]
You dance beautifully Lisa.
Yes, conservatives are alarmed by Obama.It seems he loves America for it’s potential for his vision of a socialist utopia, not what it has always been. He thinks the Constitution was created with original sin and is fundamentally flawed. His inexperience on the world stage is dangerous. His strategy is to clear away opposition rather than compete with it(like the fairness doctrine and the investigation of Joe the Plumber for instance). He has a historic consistency in allying himself with radical types.
For you to keep painting opponents of Obama as paranoid old ladies clutching their pearls is comforting to you I’m sure, but only says something about you, as you say. You have donned a set of blinders.
“Lisa does nothing of the sort Mr. Pink. Seems to me you’re getting carried away here, why, I can’t say.”
I have seen her on other threads excuse it.
normally rational conservatives like Colin Powell
That is some comedy gold, right there.
Like I said earlier Pink: You may think I am a racist. I can’t change your mind on that. But my parents had me when they were 40. They are WWII generation. They experienced shit that I can’t imagine – I can’t wrap my mind around the idea of the town going out to picnic and watch a lynching. My parents, particularly my father (my mom moved away from the South as a small child) saw horrifying things, but are not like Rev. Wright. Maybe it is because they lived in Great Britain for 16 years. Maybe it is because my dad had opportunities he never thought he would have thanks to a white man desegregating the military. Maybe it is because my parents are just better people than Wright. I don’t know. I know that from that generation, there are two camps: Camp Still-Bitter and Camp Glad-That-Shit-Is-Over. I am glad my parents are from the latter camp. But I am still ambivalent when it comes to being wildly outraged at Camp Still-Bitter. I am more sad than outraged.
Anyway that was just a lot of babbling and all I am going to say on the subject. It is a pointless tail chasing conversation to have. Incendiary too. All we will end up doing is calling each other asshole bigots – which will really do nothing. Might as well return to smart-assedness and trollery as it will at least make each other giggle.
— Comrade S.T.
True.
Lee: I am an urepentant liberal. I think his ideas are fantastic. I have no blinders on at all. My eyes are wide open. I am thinking that the rest of America that seems to be leaning toward pulling the lever for him (or at least mulling it over) have their eyes wide open as well. They might regret it as they are a bunch of undedicated Johnny-come-lately socialists – unlike me. But then it will be too late. All your base will belong to us! Muhhaaahahahahahhahahaha!!
Oh sorry. What was I saying?
What ideas of Obamas do you think are fantastic Lisa, and what do you believe will be the end result if they are implemented?
Oh, and this my dear is blinders:
My position is that I don’t know that this event took place. Color me unimpressed by this latest rumor.
Or, if you prefer, this
my dearsweety is blinders.Lisa made me feel like a cracker once.
You mean all thin and crispy, al, or just someone who goes well with cheese?
At some point, you just have to stop blaming other people completely for your problems, is how I see it. Like when you become an adult and decide that your life is more than just a mishmash of your parents’ failure to read Dr. Spock.
The hope is that one day enough time will have passed that we can call racists racists without considering which particular race they disfavor, without having to dance around it at all.
Or, since the overuse of the word will inevitably drain it of meaning, we can forget the whole sorry business and leave “race” behind with the Flat World and New Coke and other things humanity has moved beyond.
But I made you feel like a delicous buttery cracker topped with foi gras, didn’t I?
Comrade S.T.
fois, girly girl. And don’t you be hiding behind those cuddly little turtles now.
I denounce myself and hand in my Elitist Liberal Card for not being able to spell gooselivers in French.
I am running out of cards. They confiscated my Black Card after I was caught jammin’ to that Best of Loverboy CD.
DAMMIT!!!
Oh, cool and hurrah! Stevens convicted on all 7 felony counts! And I mean yay and yay-hoo too! Put the bastard in prison.
But I made you feel like a delicous buttery cracker topped with foi gras, didn’t I?
More like a whole grain Town House. Hearty yet oval shaped. Good with cheese ball.
Big time, Sdferr. I kind of feel bad for him because I know, from working for a lobbyist for many years, how they work on you hardcore until you relent and allow them to “do something nice” for you. He should have feared the Greeks, even when they came bearing gifts. He knew better. The dummy.
LOL alpuccino.
Lisa? Fantastic ideas? Please, I’m dying to know!
Oh and very sad news as well. Dean Barnett has died of cystic fibrosis at 41yrs. A grievous loss to his family, friends and readers.
That sucks. He was very happy about saltwater treatments or something last time I read him. I think. That’s just wrong.
Now I don’t feel like talking about cheeseballs. We’ll talk about that later.
Mike Kelly, Tony Snow, Dean Barnett…….I’m starting to get the paranoid feeling someones out to get me.
Lee:
I like his healthcare plan. There is a LOT of government intervention in there. Which is somewhat nervous-making. He uses REQUIRE a lot. Like requiring healtcare companies to cover people that they otherwise would not and requiring employers in large companies that don’t offer comprehensive healthcare coverage to do so. It is somewhat hodgepodge, in my humble opinion, but I like the direction he is going in and I think we can work out a cohesive National Socialist Healthcare plan. I also like his somewhat aggressive alternative energy and green policy. Will that cost a bundle? Yep. Is it worth it to me? Yep.
He has some pretty comprehensive ideas on a host of issues, but feel free to flame me to a BBQ’d crisp on these two issues. I can take it, you proles.
;-)
41 years old. That is heartbreaking. It is hard enough when your loved one is 95 years old. But you really feel robbed when they are taken away so young.
My thoughts are with his family.
Thanks Lisa. I won’t hassle you too much over NHC, we just have a difference of opinion on whether government is more capable of handling health care than private industry does, I think. I would like to know if you agree with Obama that health care is a right. If he is correct, and that becomes a Constitutionally protected right, then Whoever is president will be obligated, by their oath, to ensure it. Said obligation requiring government control.
As for the green shit, everybody running is for green shit. The difference is McCain knows, future discoveries not withstanding, until there is a working alternative to the utter dependence we have on petroleum for our way of life, and the power of our military, and all that cool electricity, it is a national security issue to ensure that petroleum.
Obama seems a little myopic on the issue. That’s dangerous.
He never quite specified just how much that “fine” on small businesses that didn’t buy into his health care plan was going to be.
If I were a small businessman, I’d be making a contingent plan to close up shop now, with the goal of being fully liquidated before January 20, 2009.
I don’t think it is a right. But I think healtcare is something a civilized country offers its citizens. We are not obligated to do it, but we should.
Barak Obama’s ideas don’t extend to protecting and defending the Constitution.
READ THE BOOKS.
Not Obama’s. Ayer’s and Wright’s.
I could write off his sloppiness as a product of his amateur status… but that was the same mistake that Hillary made.
He’s going for the gold star. Rampant, coordinated vote fraud. Rampant, blatant, unapologetic fund raising fraud. Thug action where necessary to shut down opposition.
DoJ complicity in protecting ACORN from suits, combined with full court, mouth full of cock media shielding, and you have an untouchable agent bent on realizing every campus commie’s sweetest dream: to bring the system down from within.
You take a good fucking look at Joe Biden in the unpleasant interview he had the other day, and the one that is percolating now. He’s not outraged that somebody could doubt the O!ne. He DOUBTS that he understood what he was becoming a party to when he got picked.
You can’t comment on his Health Care plan because in sum total it is PLATITUDES. The numbers on his website could have been pulled out of a random wino’s ass and they’d have the same impact. They may well have been… and his tax policy is simply a jumble of numbers that he can plaster “fuck them rich folks” on so that the Faithful wackaloon Left can smile and nod at each other.
There’s no there, there, as far as leading anything goes; it’s not about the next four years and beyond.
It’s about access to the office for as long as it can be made to last.
I am frankly intrigued to see what is in store for the current Dem caucus leadership should O! steal this thing. And steal it will be, with out there is no open and honest accounting of funds and voting irregularities in the aftermath, win or lose.
Lee, I agree that everyone is running green. Call me naive, but I think we need to go all out the way we did to accommodate automobiles. We ripped up trolley tracks, train tracks, and put roads everywhere we could fit them. I think we need to go nuts in the opposite direction. People have demonstrated that they WILL take public transportation if it is convenient enough during this last gas hike. Demand for petrol is already down significantly. Imagine what a European-styled public transportation infrastructure would do to our demand for gas?
Anyhoo, I need to go catch my train, folks. As always, it has been lovely chatting with you.
— Comrade S.T.
TmJUtah: Fascinating. I just have one parting word….
WOLVERINES!!!111!!!!
Imagine what a European-styled public transportation infrastructure would do to our demand for gas?
Not happening without European-style population density, which we have in Boswash and Chicagoland, no where else.
Oddly, both of those regions already have an extensive public transportation network.
“Nowhere else”, that should say. Gah.
Almost Everyone Would Do Better Under the McCain Health Plan
Lisa, do we cover all illegal aliens?
And an already eternal, heavily subsidized AMTRAK to go with the intra-city wastes we’ve built, SBP. Yet no one will allow themselves to imagine privately built and operated-for-profit (or loss) systems, created to sink or swim on their own hook cause that wouldn’t be helping get those kiddies their fresh fruits and vegetables.
Moss,
Silly man. They aren’t illegal once they’ve voted.
Get with teh program now!
/sarcasm.
I think healtcare is something a civilized country offers its citizens.
See, I think healthcare is something government ensures equal access to. Government isn’t supposed to be a player in the game, any game, it’s only supposed to keep the game fair, and to protect the individual citizens inalienable rights. As for shaking me down to pay for the hypochondriac down the street, I don’t like the hypochondriac to have an equal vote in the matter.
I think healthcare is something a civilized society offers its members. I further think that the government will just screw it up, as other governments have before.
I think a country whose government is involved in health care has surrendered its right to be called civilized.
Lisa; the problem of trying to make us like Europe can be summed up this way; WE ARE NOT EUROPE!!! Get away from the Big urban areas, and there are literally miles and miles of low-pop density areas, but people DO live there. Trying to give us a Euro-style transportation system, a Euro-style Health care system, and a Euro-style attitude and govenrment is bad, because it doesn’t fit the bill for ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN FLYOVER COUNTRY, who you liberals choose to ignore, except to castigate us when we don’t vote the way you think we should…
As I’ve told urban libs before, don’t think thaty you can ride roughshod over the rurals and NOT have a detrimental outcome, since they WON’T sit idly by and wait for you to stop the insult, abuse and snark. The best way to insure a 2nd Civil War in this country is to keep going the way the left and O!’s supporters have, by insulting us and our intelligance over and over again, and then expecting us to fall into line with their dictates.
More than once it has come up in conversation that if we park the rigs for two weeks and turn off the lights for four, the Blue America problem will take care of itself.
It take work to keep civilization working. It’s not an accident that the light comes on when the switch is flipped.
TMJ: I’m one of those guys who drives those rigs that keep Blue America supplied with the things they need. It has come up from time to time, that the Blue Urbans would be at a total loss for everything they need to live without us Red types doing our jobs. For the “smartest people in the room” to forget this, seems pretty stupid to me.
But I’m just a bitter, gun and religion clingin’, stupid, mouthbreathing redneck from Dumbfuckistan…
Obama ‘Decided Not to Decide’ Business Health Insurance Penalty
Make no mistake about it: win or lose, the object of the game is to break shit.
Oh, plenty of people are going to be hurt, too, but that’s a NECESSARY cost of bringing down the system.
READ THE BOOKS.
DoJ lawyers have refused to act so far because they maintain that it would “impede” voting. After the election, if O! wins, the same lawyers will refuse to investigate based on “it doesn’t matter”… which relegates all the unsuccessful fraud to “right wing blogger horror myths”.
If O! wins, and on Wednesday morning DoJ says “nope, no fraud here” via AP/NYT/CNN, I’ll know where I stand.
Win/lose, some neighborhoods are going to burn. It’s already a given. They have to; it’s part of the plan to justify not investigating the fraud.
Don’t want to anger the (insert grievance pimp flava’ of your call here) street, you know.
He doesn’t even have to win; he just has to break the system.
Joe Biden. Tool of the soviet. You have to wonder what is going through his mind right now.
I don’t think it’s “My smile is my fortress”… even though that is priceless all by itself.
Suck it up Joe, and squeeze in. How’s it feel, up on top of the tiger with all your media buddies?
I’m trying to figure how to explain to someone that the phrase “moderated comments” is in fact an accusation that comments are moderated.
But since The Gypsie Dissonance Queen has called down the Banhammer, perhaps I won’t have to.
Which has whatever the fuck to do with your moderating comments not being about comments moderated jibe, Queenie.
You’re too hip, baby. I can’t carry you anymore.
Haha, Seman has delusions of grandeur.
“You’re noth’in without me Goldstein, NOTH’IN!!!!“
“Antiquated Worldview”.
My goodness. I’m breathless.
I walk on a world with my hairless monkey brethren (and sistren) where we have risen to be the apex predator. It’s been four thousand years and change of recorded history since we arrived here at this pinnacle and about the only true advancement seems to be we get our meat labeled neatly and packed in styrofoam instead of bleeding warm in our fingers.
No man on this earth can tell me why we are here. Can’t tell me when we started, where it will end. Can’t tell me the noon temperature in Boston two weeks hence. Can’t give me courage, can’t take my hope, can’t bring me back if he strikes me dead. And sadly, most can’t ever, ever seem to learn from fundamental, simple historical lessons and is ALWAYS ready to build temples on top of what human nature is not. And build them on top of ever larger piles of corpses…
“Antiquated world view”. Do you have a clue what authority you presume? Probably wouldn’t matter anyway; people without anchors seek to be the center of their reality.
People tell me that God is dead. I tell him that and we have a good laugh. Then I go about being the best hairless ape I can be – heeding the lessons learned by my ancestors – and he goes about his business.
We all get to choose. It is the only gift a God can give. Not to go all political/economic on anybody – but it’s the ultimate free market. You get your life, and you choose what you do with it. You win or you lose based mostly on your efforts. You can fall victim to illness, famine, or strife… but look deep and you can usually find a really swell intention by some other ape directly behind the strife…
YOU. It’s all on YOU. We live in wondrous times. Sure wish the shit wasn’t quite so deep.
I think I’ll keep wading to see how things turn out, just the same.
Have a fine one, Sem. Now I must go and give thanks that I’m not you. Chow. And kibbles, too.
Lisa. Condemning a population to tax slavery isn’t civilized.