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DailyKos: “Crush their spirits”

Via Byron York, here’s Markos instructing the troops:

I’ve been making the case the last couple of weeks that we can’t just focus on winning in November, but that we have an imperative to take advantage of a historic opportunity to break the conservative movement’s backs and crush their spirits. In the White House, that means getting Obama a broad popular and geographic mandate for change. In the House, that means annihilating the Republican caucus and working toward a 100-seat Democratic majority. In the Senate it means getting to a 60-seat filibuster proof majority.

Republicans will claim that McCain wasn’t one of them, hence rationalizing away their loss. But if we decimate their ranks, including their conservative icons, it’ll make it harder for them to justify their spin. Remember, we want them broken, their ranks thinned, their treasury in heavy debt, their morale in the gutter, void of any leadership, discredited in the eyes of the public.

Hence our need this year to take advantage of this perfect Democratic storm to not just win, but to utterly wipe the board clear of as many Republicans as we can catch in this wave.

A key component of this effort is to destroy their most beloved leaders. And in that sense, our Orange to Blue fundraising list targets some of the conservative movement’s top leaders. Don’t take my word for it, take that of conservative blogger/operative Patrick Ruffini, freaking out about the tsunami about to hit:

And while we all to some extent will continue to fixate on the Presidential race, we need to understand the very real consequences if the Senate is irredeemably lost, and if our bench in the House is wiped out. You may not know it, but conservative icons like John Shadegg (AZ-3) and Tom McClintock (CA-4) could lose.

Both AZ-03 and CA-04 are on our target list, with Bob Lord focused on taking out Shadegg, and Charlie Brown fighting McClintock.

There is a sudden realization on the right that they are on the precipice of losing not just their majorities, but some of their most cherished voices. We have been blessed with an opportunity to help that process along.

They’re already expecting to lose. You want to see them truly crushed, you need to help (among so many others) Lord and Brown win their races.

Leave everything on the road.

Ah yes. The party of peace and compassion. Who promises to champion you, to end the divisiveness, to bring the politics of Hope and Change to Washington.

— With the caveat hidden in the fine print that those not onboard with the policies of the progressive express should be tied to the tracks and ground into fertilizer. So that the grand Utopia can spring to life from the bitter, blood-soaked ground of “conservative” failure!

FOR THE GREATER GOOD, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!

WE MURDER TO DISSECT!

Obama: “Markos, What is best in life?”
Markos: “To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.”
Obama: “That is good! That is good.”

Writes Doctor Sanity:

You believe you are entitled to power, and if you don’t get what you think you deserve, then watch how “antiwar” you behave. Watch how “peaceful” and “loving” you really are–oh wait! I forgot. People with your ideology lack even the most basic scrap of personal insight. Hence you are proactive about externalizing blame to preserve your self-esteem and sense of personal perfection.

But you are well and truly exposed. You fling around the word “racist”, applying it to everyone you don’t like, but you are the true racists; racists whose every thought and decision is saturated with a preoccupation with race.

Many people are working to make sure you don’t get the opportunity to completely destroy this country and the wealth it creates; but should you carry out the threat so eloquently stated by the king of internet thugs, then we shall accord you precisely the same respect and support you have given to the current elected administration and the current Commander-in-Chief.

It may not be time to “go John Galt”, but it will be time to strip away the delusions of adequacy and compassion your sick ideology continues to hype, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

There’s a storm coming, Sarah Connor.

Prepare yourself.

146 Replies to “DailyKos: “Crush their spirits””

  1. C Smith says:

    Recalls the page from “Our Dumb Century” by the Onion.
    Headline was about the Soviet Union mourning the death of Stalin.
    “Who will break our backs and crush our spirits now?” or something like that for the subtitle.
    Maybe I’m too nuanced: I don’t exactly hate the Left, or liberal thinking; I just wish that Amendment X,
    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
    had had a defender back in FDR’s heyday, so that the concentration of power in DC that has precipitated the current turmoil might have been averted.
    Let the individual States go nanny if they choose, say I.

  2. happyfeet says:

    Huh? Baracky would never countenance the humiliation of his enemies. He will smile upon those Republicans what remain and reach his hands across the aisle in a cooperative spirit so we can all move forward together. You and Kos both must have heard a different debate than I did.

  3. Education Guy says:

    I’ve gone as “galt” as I am prepared to at this point. I have left DC with the idea that I do not want to be helpful in any way to what is coming. This will be my last comment as Ed Guy because my affiliations with that organization are now done.

  4. SarahW says:

    Sarah, uh, who now? That’s next door I think.

  5. thor says:

    This election and the demolition of conservative narratives that we are witnessing, res ipsa loquitur.

    I’m not being inflammatory but simply drawing my own conclusions.

  6. Spiny Norman says:

    Our pet Fascist idiot sashal, calling for “DE-REPUBLICANIZATION” of the entire country, ought to go over there and harass Markos telling him he doesn’t go nearly far enough.

  7. happyfeet says:

    oh. Good luck with your new things, Ed Guy. Is that not a little precipitous though? I don’t think Baracky will win for real cause he’s a dirty socialist. That would just be stupid.

  8. Tman says:

    Can anyone imagine the sheer hysteria that will result if O! loses this? It could reach apocalyptic levels for certain groups.

    This is what I find so telling. If McCain loses, repubs and conservatives will say “welp, back to the drawing board. What did we do wrong? How can we fix this? What should we do better next time?”

    Whereas if O! loses you can pretty much bet the house that there will be hysterical screeching about the unfairness of it all, who can we sue, how did they manage to “steal” another one, and are you sure you counted those votes right?

    I guess that sorta makes this election a win-win for me. I’d be perfectly happy to a degree with either of the above outcomes.

  9. happyfeet says:

    oh. They are making me do this. I hates them.

  10. Mr. Pink says:

    What organization were you apart of?

  11. Salt Lick says:

    Frankly, I’m looking around for a conservative version of Markos.

  12. cranky-d says:

    I wonder if people like Kos ever really think about the ramifications of what they are saying. I’ve been seeing people of a conservative bent talk about buying guns and stocking up on ammo (both of which I am doing myself, but perhaps for different reasons than they imply), and I wonder if they have considered all the ramifications of what they are saying. How far is anyone willing to push it? Will it come to violence? There is historical precedent for it. Perhaps not now, but maybe in our lifetimes, we will come to that point. What will we do if we get there?

    Something to ponder, perhaps.

  13. Rick says:

    I, for one, will embrace the opportunity to refer to the Chief Executive as Chimperor Jugear McCastroChavez.

    So how does that make me crushed & left in the road?

    Cordially…

  14. Mr. Pink says:

    ChimpyMcBamaACORNWman?

  15. TheGeezer says:

    Every candidate KOS has backed has lost, right? Or is 9 out of 10 lost? I forget.

  16. From what I see on the dextrosphere, I don’t think we need Kos’s help. We’ve been doing a fine job since the primaries. It’s like everybody forgot everything they learned in kindergarten. The voters spoke. My guy didn’t win, but life’s like that. So you get behind the team and play. You don’t whine and bitch and moan like a sissy girl because you don’t like the candidate. Fortunately, the voters — you know, the real people you see at work and on the street — don’t share the wish for defeat conservative pundits seem to have.

  17. cranky-d says:

    To all who many any “chimp” references in regards to the O! RACISTS!!

  18. happyfeet says:

    See this is all going to a very dark place. Not now but maybe later maybe denial would be helpful.

  19. Jeff Y. says:

    I’m cool with Markos’ plan, but I think it can be used to achieve much different and more benevolent ends.

    The Republican National Committee, as the leadership of the party, actively eroded the the Reagan conservative base under an acid rain of liberal policies. Drop by drop the RNC and Republican leaders in the Senate have betrayed foundational conservative principles in economics, justice, and prudential care for the general welfare. These country club Republicans have shunned middle-state Republican voters and crafted policies that exactly follow the liberal line about a party of big business against the common citizen.

    The current RNC and Senate leadership have driven my party to the precipice of massive election losses. But more importantly, the Republican leadership has betrayed the spirit of freedom and individual justice that prompted me to become a Republican in the first place.

    The RNC and Senate leadership must go. All of them. All. Of. Them. Damn them, and this party, for betraying time-honored Republican principles.

    We Republicans have to start over, with conservatives in charge this time. The only way to change the party is to destroy the leadership. The sooner the better.

  20. AJB says:

    What a horrible, horrible man Markos is for suggesting that his side should win a democratic election. I’m going to stock upon guns with my right-wing buddies for the sake of civility.

  21. Makewi says:

    happy

    Precipitous? Maybe. I wish I could be as optimistic about the outcome as you. I think the GOP suffers from both massive media bias and also just generally sucking a lot lately. As such, I expect an epic ass kicking in the near future. It makes me sad about the courts, and also about turning health care over to socialists.

    I’m feeling very eeyorish about the future in terms of the government. Not so much in terms of my own life. I expect that to mostly be awesome.

  22. cranky-d says:

    See this is all going to a very dark place.

    Sorry, hf, but Kos’ rhetoric brought it to mind.

  23. Mr. Pink says:

    AJB where does ACORN voter fraud fit into your little Narrative buddy?

  24. Ric Locke says:

    Chimperor Jugear McCastroChavez

    Barack O’Mugabe, more like.

    Regards,
    Ric

  25. Makewi says:

    Department of Education, Mr. Pink. Before that, the Department of Defense.

  26. SevenEleventy says:

    Another moby…dick!

  27. cranky-d says:

    I have yet to meet a progressive who had any right-wing buddies. Once they find out your political affiliations, they tend to drop you.

  28. Techie says:

    Molon Labe, Kos

  29. happyfeet says:

    Be optimistic anyway I think. Baracky’s media can’t cover the sun with one finger.

  30. Mr. Pink says:

    “I have left DC with the idea that I do not want to be helpful in any way to what is coming.”

    Can you elaborate on what you saw in DC EG? I am curious.

  31. Jeff Y. says:

    The Obama::Mugabe comparison may not be far off, Ric.

  32. Techie says:

    AJB, you know damn well that if a prominent Republican said that “we are going to crush, destroy, purge, etc etc etc”, you’d be crapping your pants while wailing about the “Chill wind” of “Bushitler’s rethuglican police state”.

    So, is Obama going to be Uniter, not a Divider?

  33. Jeff Y. says:

    I really wish we would examine how the ass-clown Republican leadership took us here, where Markos can even make such a threat.

  34. Mr. Pink says:

    I kinda agree Jeff Y. If our leadership is willing to piss away electoral victory in order to cater to people that are here illegaly there is something seriously wrong. I think that turned half the grassroots support away. The other half was probably done in by excessive spending.

  35. happyfeet says:

    Mostly it was when that fascist prosecutor in Austin abused his office and went after DeLay, Jeff Y. After that Republican leaders became fags. I think basically they just sort of wanted to appear super feckless as a sort of protective coloration scheme. Also, Trent Lott. He’s not just super gay he put himself forward for leadership which means he’s gay and retarded and narcissistic. He’s gross. He’s gone now so that is a very positive thing that I think gets overlooked.

  36. happyfeet says:

    I hates the socialisms but immigration is just very not that big a deal to me. Can we just build the fence and everybody can get another issue? I would like that.

  37. dicentra says:

    Hence our need this year to take advantage of this perfect Democratic storm to not just win, but to utterly wipe the board clear of as many Republicans as we can catch in this wave.

    Bring it on, Markie. Purge ’em all. Drive them from office and humiliate them as they go. I’m perfectly content to let your team do the heavy lifting for us.

    I’m with Jeff Y. on this: “The RNC and Senate leadership must go. All of them. All. Of. Them. Damn them, and this party, for betraying time-honored Republican principles.”

    I agree with O’Reilly on this one: the debate last night revealed that neither candidate has the chops to deal with the current economic mess — McCain because he’s clueless about economics and therefore uninterested, and Obama because he’s an unreconstructed socialist who will do exactly those things that will drive us into a depression.

    Funny, really. Both candidates rose to prominence on their Iraq positions, and now Iraq is a non-issue. And now neither knows what to do next.

    Romney for Recovery Czar, that’s my motto. But it may be 4 years before he gets the chance to straighten things out.

    No problem. Sometimes you have to let the house burn to the ground before you can rebuild.

  38. urthshu says:

    9- hf –

    Site is run/owned by this guy, according to who is

  39. happyfeet says:

    you rock, urthshu … that place he works at has an office here in LA…

  40. Charlie Brown fighting McClintock

    That would be so much better than Snoopy vs. Big Jim McLain

  41. Bob Reed says:

    We all know that none of these groups of Obama supporters have ever said or done anything hateful over the years-right? I mean, we all know that right wingers are the hate filled lumpernproletariat that needs to be reviled-along with their rube, strumpet, dolt, bitch, non-ivy-league educated leader-right? You know, because the MSM has told us so, and has breathlessly hand wrung over the handfull of comments made at McCain/Palin rallies; all while ignoring the hate filled diatrabes of the BDS politicos, media types, and hyper-partisans, doing whatever it took to undermine the administration and it’s policies in the eyes af everyday Americans, for the better part of the last 8 years!

    The objective-turned-activist media types, in their zeal to take part in O!s historic election, are emulating the famous statues of the three monkeys. For when it came to vetting O!, truly they could see, nor hear, nor speak any evil with respect to the one…

    Instead of letting these morons get away with their self-professed crushing victory, we all need to buck-up and double down. The stakes in this election are high, and we can’t let the pessimism displayed by some of the conservative punditry convince us that it’s all over-before the vote is actually held.

    Look at it as our last chance to weigh in against totalitarianism and the ideals of the nutroot left as espoused by Kos. Make sure you vote, and encourage all who might think it useless to do so also. O! must be defeated; no votes must be wasted but must be cast in such a way to ensure that outcome…

    I for one am tempted to go straight ticket; that may not do any good here in NYC, but I will at least done the most I could to rage against the Oba-machine…

  42. happyfeet says:

    oh. That would be his office.

  43. Lisa says:

    Waits to see the Perf do his best “Red Dawn” redux, complete with awesome mullet and supertight 501s.

    Let us herald in the Age of Conservative Paranoia (again). Sweet!

  44. Pete says:

    The problem with Republican leadership is the same as with Democrat leadership. They are not beholden to their constituents or political philosophy. They are beholden to ‘the money men’. They forget what philosophy they originally had, and move to the common practice of the folks living in Washington–earmarks, tax breaks, appropriations, etc that keep them in office. They’ll occasionally put their constituents needs/desires at the forefront, but only to ensure they get good press and have ‘done something’. Our problem is elections, and their cost. Almost every politician is a narcissist who knows how to pander to ‘the money men’ to get funding for their campaign. Once they’re elected, their primary purpose is to get re-elected.

    How do you fix this problem? You can’t. Only the congresscritters can, and they won’t. If it was possible, then first you need to repeal the 17th amendment that allows for direct election of senators (previously, they were elected by the state legislators). Then you need to amend the constitution to allow representatives to be selected by a lottery for each district (kind of like a jury pool), with only one term allowed (no elections).

    That will get the money out of the electoral process. Next, you need to revise the tax code (repeal the income tax amendment) and go with the Fair Tax. Not perfect, but gets Congress out of the tax break/loophole business.

    Now maybe the congresscritters will be more aligned with their political philosophy, and not beholden to special interests.

    However, you always have to remember one thing about the voting public–and your congresscritter–50% are below average in intelligence.

  45. Lisa says:

    I agree with O’Reilly on this one: the debate last night revealed that neither candidate has the chops to deal with the current economic mess — McCain because he’s clueless about economics and therefore uninterested, and Obama because he’s an unreconstructed socialist who will do exactly those things that will drive us into a depression.

    Shit, even if we elected Warren Buffet as president, we would still be fucked. The damage is already done. We are going into a depression no matter who wins.

  46. Scape-Goat Trainee says:

    I guess this must be “reaching across the aisle” in Obama-supporter-speak.
    Or…something.

  47. McGehee says:

    I, for one, will embrace the opportunity to refer to the Chief Executive as Chimperor Jugear McCastroChavez.

    President Jesus, who lives in the Whitey House.

  48. Lisa says:

    Pete those are interesting ideas.

  49. Dave in SoCal says:

    Let us herald in the Age of Conservative Paranoia (again). Sweet!

    Sorry, we’ve already entered the ‘Age of Conservative Racism’, and frankly, we just don’t have the time to be both Racist and Paranoid.

  50. Lisa says:

    Please refer to the White House as the “color challenged government structure” McGehee.

    Thank you,

    Comrade Sugartits

  51. Vladimir says:

    The more that anti-capitalists, “progressives”, leftists, contemporary liberals and freaks try to demoralize or smash the Conservative/Libertarian/Classic Liberal movement, the harder I will work
    to employ reason and persuasion to illustrate the truth that the left is anti-liberty.

  52. urthshu says:

    >>They’ll occasionally put their constituents needs/desires at the forefront, but only to ensure they get good press and have ‘done something’.

    Speaking of Dems here, I think this is a bit off. I would amend it to: “They’ll occasionally put their constituents needs/desires at the forefront, but only to ensure they get retain their votes.”

    This is a constant, typically using Republicans as a foil [which Repubs never answer well], as in Clinton’s witholding on Welfare Reform days prior to the elections in order to hold a threat above recipients’ heads, or insinuating that Roe will be overturned in order to secure women’s votes, etc.

  53. Lisa says:

    I am confident that you will excel at multitasking Dave. I am sure that you can burn a few crosses while also stockpiling canned goods and munitions.

    ;-)

  54. urthshu says:

    Speaking of the post, though: I’m thinking that voting Libertarian downtickets for a time, to work them in, might be a good solution. I love Palin and wouldn’t mind her as party head, but I do worry about going more populist than principled.
    Also, like I said before: If we go, they go. They’re only united b/c they hate us more than each other. Its what people who grew up on hate do.

  55. cranky-d says:

    I’m sorry, Lisa, but stockpiling guns and ammo is taking up a lot of time, and I still have to get going on the canned goods. No time to burn any crosses. I barely have time to go to the “Keeping the non-whites down,” seminars.

  56. MAJ (P) John says:

    SO let me get this straight – the same Markos Zuniga who bolted out of the Army as fast as he could, because it hadn’t occurred to him that being in an MLRS battery might mean that he would be involved in using “violence” is now talking al rough, tough and crush-stomp-destroy?

    Can someone please explain that one to me?

  57. happyfeet says:

    Baracky won’t win and I won’t be deflated I don’t think. He’ll still be in the Senate and it will be sort of interesting when he finds out he’s not really no kind of leader, just a junior senator with no experience and a huge cult of freshly disillusioned and very empty peoples. That will be a lot interesting actually.

  58. Lisa says:

    All snark aside: I would like to see some of the excesses of the past 8 years repudiated – but I don’t like the idea of some whole ideology being “crushed”. You will just end up with the same arrogant, excessive behavior – only the people will have a (D) behind their name instead of an (R).

  59. Pete says:

    urthshu

    I thought about phrasing it like that, but went off on a different thought. Bottomline, there are few in Congress who maintained their initial integrity and political philosophy. Republican party and Democrat party philosophy is fairly well established, but once in the slime pit of Washington, the individual congresscritters begin to work the deals that keep them there, rather than the philosophy they espouse. I think the Democrats are worse than the Republicans, but that may be my personal bias. Sometimes it’s hard to tell who belongs to what party unless they have the (R) or (D) behind their name.

    But that’s the cynic in me.

  60. Lisa says:

    lol, cranky

  61. cranky-d says:

    I repudiate the massing spending voted for by Republicans and not vetoed by Bush. I repudiate the attempt to let massive amounts of illegal aliens become citizens.

  62. happyfeet says:

    Well in fairness Lisa a lot of people thought Baracky’s socialist authoritarianism was a lot crushed already. Mean conservatives did the end of history thing and many panel discussions and the wall fell and people danced and danced. I won’t begrudge thems with the resurgent ideology what is built on the intellectual framework of totalitarianism their day in the sun. The people, they will dance. For a time.

  63. cranky-d says:

    I meant get a fast-track to citizenship ahead of people who are doing it legally. Legal immigration is fine.

  64. Lisa says:

    Happy I am not so sure O-Smoove can pull it off either. McCain has gone off his meds and made me very nervous – but he will likely win. Still, it has been a fascinating election.

  65. happyfeet says:

    Baracky loves us and only wants what’s best for us so give him your shit.

  66. happyfeet says:

    oh. I think it would have been more fascinating if the media hadn’t intervened. It’s kind of hard to understand this way what Baracky is actually accomplishing. I wonder if some day there will be another first black elected president what everyone knows actually earned it.

  67. urthshu says:

    Pete –
    I used to be a Dem. There really isn’t a ‘philosophy’ that guides it, IMO. Hate of Repubs, lack of thinking for themselves, emotion, lots of that. No philosophy beyond maybe ‘the government should do it’ and a LOT of lies to glue it all together.

  68. MAJ (P) John says:

    67

    I have seen hf be most generous – voluntarily. I, and many of the 1st Scots Battle Group, were the recipients of that generosity, here in Iraq. I do not wish hf to be compelled to give things to other people he doesn’t want to, simply because they voted for my State’s junior Senator in an election.

  69. Lisa says:

    We disagree about the authoritarianism. We will see. He will certainly have powers as president that no one before him had, thanks to our current president.

    I heard on NPR that the French prez is calling the EU to meet next month to “discuss moving beyond the outdated American model of capitalism”. Ruh roh. B-Smoove is not going to be the only pinko getting his socialist paws all over our silky drawers. Of course, I am much more open-minded about this change of direction. But I can understand how someone of a less liberal persuasion would be crapping their pants right about now.

  70. Mars vs Hollywood says:

    No time to burn any crosses.

    Plus, have you LOOKED at fuel prices lately? Why, I can barely keep myself in jackboot polish.

  71. urthshu says:

    I would just like the Galt’s Gulchers to take me along. I do dishes and windows. No, I’m legal.

  72. MAJ (P) John says:

    71.

    But Lisa, those powers are evil and will be given right back – the Democrats in Congress will withdraw them, as they have promised to for years now… eh?

  73. Mars vs Hollywood says:

    Anyway, the proper response to this or anything the KosKids say, is to quote their playground-punk-in-chief himself:

    “Screw ’em.”

  74. Lisa says:

    Haps, how do you “earn” the presidency? Is it an entitlement reserved for certain people? If someone gets the votes, then they earned it.

  75. Lisa says:

    I won’t hold my breath for that one, Maj. John!

  76. Lisa says:

    Plus, have you LOOKED at fuel prices lately? Why, I can barely keep myself in jackboot polish.

    LMAO!!

  77. Mr. Pink says:

    Somehow I think the only time Kos hears a woman lamenting is when they first see him naked. Just saying…

  78. MAJ (P) John says:

    77

    I’m glad you won’t. I’d rather you not pass out and get all head-achy and such. I’d prefer you awake and commenting here.

  79. Pablo says:

    JAWOHL, MEIN FUHRER! EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, EIN PARTISCH!!!!!!

  80. Mikey NTH says:

    #58 Maj. John:

    Sure. He found an enemy he can hate – his fellow countrymen with whom he disagrees politically.

  81. MAJ (P) John says:

    82. That is a bit disheartening – as Mr. Z bailed at the time of the First Gulf War – so he was morally opposed to fighting the people who had tried genocide against the Kurds, started a war with Iran and tried to scrub Kuwait off the map – but can get all Hulk sounding (“Kos Smash!”) when talking about Americans and politics?

    Not good at all.

  82. JHoward says:

    Good luck with that spirit-crushing thing, you malformed sociopaths.

    Because I hear adversity is just the thing for character.

    Remember?

  83. McGehee says:

    During the Clinton years, Comrade, I was calling it the Melanin-Deficient House — but that was so ’90s.

  84. Mr. Pink says:

    Whatever happens I will be too drunk election night to be demoralized. After 18 cans of liquid courage I am not sure I will even remember who wins the next day.

  85. MAJ (P) John says:

    I envy you Mr. Pink. I will probably be on my flight back from Iraq to home. I’ll have to wait on the hydraulic memory scrub until a week or so later.

  86. McGehee says:

    I repudiate the massing spending voted for by Republicans and not vetoed by Bush.

    There’s a lot of things Bush didn’t veto that I repudiate.

    I also repudiate the pissant bill that finally did get his first veto, as well as the pissant veto itself. I can’t even remember WTF the bill was.

  87. Mr. Pink says:

    Major John do they still make you wait at MOB station for a couple weeks so your wife has time to move Jody out and you do not go all Fort Bragg on her? I remember that was the longest 2 weeks of my freakin life.

  88. lee says:

    We Republicans have to start over, with conservatives in charge this time. The only way to change the party is to destroy the leadership. The sooner the better.

    Jeff Y, while I largly agree with your sentiments, I don’t share your conclusion. Too much cutting off your nose to spite your face going on. A mild version of sashal.

    pete has fascinating ideas, but for now things are what they are and losing can’t be an option. The times, they are too dangerous.

    Conservatives need to be more politically active, and use the system to be represented. Something that takes time, but is structured to succeed. “Throwing the bums out” is a perfectly understandable emotion, but burning down the house rarely results in a better house.

  89. McGehee says:

    Pablo I believe the word in German is Partei.

  90. McGehee says:

    I’m just hoping this election turns out to be 1948. I’d say 1864 but I didn’t much like what eventually happened to the winner of that one.

  91. Vinny Vidivici says:

    Weren’t these the same people who were moaning a few years back about how detrimental it is to the republic to have both houses of congress and the white house in the hands of one party.

    Kinda like free speech rights with these people — always for me but not for thee.

  92. lee says:

    He will certainly have powers as president that no one before him had, thanks to our current president.

    Lisa, will you flesh that one out a little, “cuz I’m inclined to call bullshit.

  93. MAJ (P) John says:

    Mr. Pink – down to 3-5 days now. We are all National Guard, and alot of us are in our late 30s, or in our 40s. Jody already struck years ago, or we are too old for that to be a problem anymore…heh heh.

    At least the Class VI store at Fort Riley is excellent.

  94. MAJ (P) John says:

    urk. Almost 2300. Lights out for me!

  95. Lisa says:

    Mr. Pink, that is my kind of electionin’.

  96. SevenEleventy says:

    Comment by Scape-Goat Trainee on 10/16 @ 12:41 pm #

    I guess this must be “reaching across the aisle” in Obama-supporter-speak.
    Or…something.

    Obama had the courage to co-sponsor controversial legislation on ethics and nuclear proliferation. The anti-ethics and pro-nuclear proliferation lobby will be vanquished…for-evah!!!

  97. cranky-d says:

    Jackboot polish! I knew I forgot to buy something. Now everyone is going to laugh at my scuffed jackboots. I hang my head in shame.

  98. Ric Locke says:

    What has astonished me from day one of the Obama candidacy is the number of people who support him on the grounds that he’s lying through his teeth. That isn’t how they say it, of course — what they tell us is that President Obama will govern as a centrist, or at worst as a Social Democrat, in the mold of a Clinton, perhaps. We can ignore all the rabble rousing rhetoric and all the hard-left concepts, and just go by his later campaign statements.

    What they don’t explain, because they cannot explain it, is where the H* Obama is supposed to get the concepts, the procedures, and the advisors to govern as a centrist. The man has NOT ONE close or long-term associate, NOT ONE formative influence, that isn’t either hard left (in US terms), race-baiting, or some combination of those. A President’s advisors need to be people he knows and trusts to help him carry out his program. Who do we know of, that Barack Obama knows and trusts, who could be, say, a National Security Advisor who knew enough to distinguish between nuclear weapons and a squad of Marines?

    It would overjoy me if Lisa were correct, and BHO turned out to be just another mainstream Democrat, part of the interchangeable political machine that runs all our lives lately. What worries me is that I don’t see any basis whatever for that assumption; I don’t count late-in-life political speeches as “basis”.

    Regards,
    Ric

  99. Victor. says:

    You can call him what you want, but he’ll always be President Hussein to me.

  100. Lisa says:

    I don’t hear a lot of that so much anymore (you are right – it really is bullshit). I think liberal is the new black – not such a dirty word anymore.

    He is a liberal and, if elected, will govern as a liberal.

  101. Mikey NTH says:

    #83 Maj. John:

    Sorry, but that’s what I get from what he wrote.

  102. Lisa says:

    Ric we agree that he is a liberal and will probably govern in a very liberal manner. However, I don’t agree that he is a radical or an effete fool who will appoint Ward Churchill as his Defense Secretary and Louis Farrakahn as the Secretary of Cracka-Assed Crackas. I am sure he will be pragmatic enough not to be a Carter Redux. He has better political instincts.

  103. Jeff Y. says:

    Lisa, BHO writes himself that he is a “blank slate” upon which Americans can write their aspirations. It’s a classic case of bad rhetoric, in the Platonic sense. His political instincts are not Carterian but rather Trotskyite. Is that really an improvement?

  104. Mars vs Hollywood says:

    a National Security Advisor who knew enough to distinguish between nuclear weapons and a squad of Marines?

    That’s easy. One is a pitiless weapon of unimaginable destructive power, and the other is some kind of missile. :)

    Jackboot polish! I knew I forgot to buy something. Now everyone is going to laugh at my scuffed jackboots. I hang my head in shame.

    Ha ha! Cranky has to bring chips and dip at the next meeting! That’s what we call a “fascion faux pas”!

  105. urthshu says:

    >>I think liberal is the new black

    Bullshit.

  106. happyfeet says:

    thanks Major … I’m glad you’ll be home soon. Lisa, for real I don’t think Baracky has earned the presidency. He’s a brand, not a real person like Alyssa Milano or Wentworth Miller. Baracky’s media will have made him our first pezzydent what got there with training wheels on his bike. It’s not healthy cause brand management is different than governing. What you have to do is keep hitting your GRP targets with fresh creative, like how Taco Bell changes its tv ads every 6 weeks. It’s not the products they’re trying to move so much it’s just the brand. Baracky without his media would be like that one guy in the Bible what Milton wrote about that got his hair cut off and stuff fell on his head. Baracky cannot lose his media. This is something new for America. All our media are NPR. That’s very disheartening.

  107. Mars vs Hollywood says:

    I am sure he will be pragmatic enough not to be a Carter Redux.

    Perish the thought.

  108. Ric Locke says:

    Well, yeah, Lisa, like I said, I keep hearing that — but I don’t see any basis for it. Even counting your use of “liberal” in the modern sense, which to my mind is anything but, where did he learn the concepts? He was raised by out-and-out socialists with communist tendencies; his associations since have been with AMEX leftists like Ayres (do you really think he ever gave Daddy back the credit card?), Alinskyites, Black Liberation, and a political machine known for short-cutting (to put it mildly) the political process. To the extent that his self-aggrandizing books have any substance at all, they reflect those influences. Where else did he get influences? If he’s to govern as a liberal centrist, how does he know what that means and what to do to support those ideas? He sure as H* didn’t learn it from Poppa!

    Regards,
    Ric

  109. SevenEleventy says:

    Jackboot polish! I knew I forgot to buy something. Now everyone is going to laugh at my scuffed jackboots. I hang my head in shame.

    I think horse crops compliment jackboots very well!

  110. Jeff Y. says:

    Everyone keeps talking about my jackboots, but all I got are these PUMAs.

  111. Jeff Y. says:

    What Ric said.

  112. mcgruder says:

    I’m no fan of the Sacred One, but we have absolutely no one to blame but the GOP leadership and Bush/Cheney.

    The GOP leadership was debauched, pure and simple. They were GOP in name only, and must have enjoyed crapping on the graves of the priciples laid down by Goldwater and Reagan.

    Bush/Cheney–What more can be said? Good and noble intentions, but we havent exactly achieved resolution on the two wars we launched, with all respect to Major John. Iraq is improving from something like a cauldron into an exceptionally long-term project.

    They leave an economy that appears to be heading for a recession that will fucking redefine pain for a few years, and inflation (ex fuel) is begining to rear its head.

    Look, this is a conservative nation in many ways, and Kos and Arianna and their douchebag legions are the minority. But we have given the mass of people who simply vote what they can see no reason to vote GOP.

    And that sucks.

  113. happyfeet says:

    Baracky is all about sacrifice … it’s the new hope. Either that or sacrifice is the new change. Whichever. But anyway last night he said he had some ideas about how some people have not been living within their means and they will need to be taught to behave more correctly for the good of The People. What I don’t think you see is Baracky is just warming up. He’s really not a live and let live kinda guy. He’s all about getting all up in your shit and if you say whoa take a step back Baracky he calls you racist and then you just have to stand there kind of embarrassed like who me? but everyone is already looking at you like you’re a piece of shit. It happened to my cousin.

  114. JD says:

    Can I just check into the nearest re-education camp now, and get it over with?

  115. Mr. Pink says:

    hehe

  116. Slartibartfast says:

    SO let me get this straight – the same Markos Zuniga who bolted out of the Army as fast as he could, because it hadn’t occurred to him that being in an MLRS battery might mean that he would be involved in using “violence” is now talking al rough, tough and crush-stomp-destroy?

    I’m still headscratching the first part of that question, Major. The trick is to outgrow that youthful stupidity.

  117. lee says:

    My cousin too!!

  118. SevenEleventy says:

    Can I just check into the nearest re-education camp now, and get it over with

    That would be pre-re-education camp!

  119. Jeff Y. says:

    McGruder wrote,

    I’m no fan of the Sacred One, but we have absolutely no one to blame but the GOP leadership […] The GOP leadership was debauched, pure and simple. They were GOP in name only, and must have enjoyed crapping on the graves of the priciples laid down by Goldwater and Reagan […] Look, this is a conservative nation in many ways, and Kos and Arianna and their douchebag legions are the minority. But we have given the mass of people who simply vote what they can see no reason to vote GOP.

    Yup. The party leadership let us down in the worst way, and few Republicans will directly confront the issue. The RNC and Senate leadership, most especially, are to blame for our electoral failures.

    And it is sad.

  120. happyfeet says:

    Well yeah but not-socialist is looking pretty damn tasty about now, Jeff Y. We can get all conservative later after this whole socialism fad sort of dies down I think. Right now let’s just be content with having property rights and stuff.

  121. Victor. says:

    Bah!

    Those tax cuts are the only real thing that are holding Obama up with the voters- and that says a lot considering the current state of the economy , Bush’s unfavorable, and a MSM openly advocating for Obama.

    I’ve said it from the start that McCain should have either demolished the O! tax plan, completely erasing all doubt in the mind of voters, or stolen the damn thing and reclaimed it as his own.

    Middle Class voters are looking at those tax cuts. Even last night when the issue came-up McCain ignored the real difference in middle class tax relief that Obama’s plan offers.

    There is no excuse for a republican nominee to get beat on the issue of tax cuts, and if the results show McCain losing by a margin of 8% or less, he can trace it all back to his inability to counter this basic point- with Obama middle class workers will get larger tax breaks.

  122. Dash Rendar says:

    Damnnit hf, don’t you know “this land is your land, this land is my land,” so stop being such a curmudgeon already and fork it over.

  123. Victor. says:

    Just think about that for a moment….

    We could have avoided O! and all the bullshit that will inevitably come with his administration had McCain cut more taxes.

    Fucking inexcusable- I hope he loses his Senate Seat for this.

  124. Mr. Pink says:

    Victor it seems that every other presidential election people need to be reminded that Democrats, regardless of what they say before the election, raise EVERYONES taxes. Well that is unless they are constrained by a Republican House or Senate. Doesn’t look so good now though.

    To quote the immortal words of Short Round “Hold on Lady. We going for a ride.”

  125. happyfeet says:

    HAPPYFEET SHOCK: baracky is a stupid socialist.

    DEVELOPING…

  126. Ric Locke says:

    …with Obama middle class workers will get larger tax breaks.

    No. Obama promises middle class tax breaks.

    That can. not. happen. It just can’t. It’s impossible.

    The only people who have enough money to pay for the Government are the middle class in the aggregate. You could take the hundred, or thousand, richest people in America and rape them for all they’ve got, and it wouldn’t run the Government for a week. Probably not a day. “Soak the rich!” is NOT for revenue! And that isn’t even counting that most of the “wealth” Teh Rich have is distinctly related to mortgage bundling — if you forced them to liquidate, they wouldn’t realize a quarter of it.

    As for “rich corporations”, bah. Fine. Liquidate Wal*Mart and you get a big chunk of change, right? –but you also get a couple million more unemployed Poor People, who will soak up all that revenue before the end of the next quarter. A corporation has money the same way Lake Mead has water. Break the dam or cut off the river flow, and your next drink has to come from someplace else.

    Which is sorta my point, in my previous posts. I see no slightest hint that Obama is anything less than sincere in making that promise — and no slightest hint that he has even the teeniest awareness that it’s the economic equivalent of ordering back the tide. He has no other information, no other concepts. Or, if he does, where did he get them?

    Regards,
    Ric

  127. ushie says:

    Kos’ face on Ahnold’s body is more disturbing than Ceiling Cat watching me masturbate.

  128. Bob Reed says:

    Comment by Pablo on 10/16 @ 1:24 pm #

    JAWOHL, MEIN FUHRER! EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, EIN PARTISCH!!!!!!

    Mein Freunde Pablo,
    Ihr worten unrichtig ist…

    Jawohl Herr O!. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!!!!!

    Vershtehen zie?
    Danke Schoen…

  129. Victor. says:

    Ric,

    It’s a plan.

    McCain’s choice was to reframe it in a way that ignored the underlying appeal and merits inherit in the plan, and this was a major mistake.

    He gave-up the high ground. McCain showed-up to a rhetorical knife fight with a pocket calculator and genealogical chart.

    A republican should NEVER cede to someone willing to cut taxes lower than them, even if it’s just a plan.

    McCain should have doubled or tripled the offer, he could have won.

  130. pdbuttons says:

    couldn’t we be more like the NFL and have something like re-education ‘mini-camp’?
    cuz that’s in the spring-when hope is eternal

  131. dicentra says:

    Shit, even if we elected Warren Buffet as president, we would still be fucked.

    Warren Buffet. Isn’t this the guy what supports really high inheritance taxes? Because when you have a small business and you die and you pass it down to your kids, the kids can’t afford the inheritance taxes (around 50%!), so they’re forced to sell the business to pay it.

    To whom do they sell the business? To Warren Buffet and his ilk.

    But back to the subject: The Great Depression was not caused by the stock market crash, it was caused by the imbecilic reaction of the gubmint in the aftermath. Had Hoover and FDR done nothing, we would have gone through a rough spot, then recovered.

    But no. Hoover and FDR had to Do Something. So they raised import tariffs, which pissed off the Europeans so bad they put up their own tariffs. Which meant that our products had no market except in the U.S., where no one had money.

    And then they made it illegal for employers to lay off workers or reduce their wages. Which caused business after business to go under because they couldn’t adjust their overhead costs to match their reduced inflow.

    And FDR got all excited about “experimenting” with the economy, so he kept passing all kinds of weird laws. Businessmen couldn’t predict what insane thing the government was going to do next, so they put any plans for expansions or development on hold until the ground stopped shifting under their feet.

    Raise taxes? Why, I believe that’s what they did. And thanks to the Super Genius of Washington Politicians, the depression lasted 10 years instead of just a few.

    Obama started out with grandiose plans for expanding gubmint programs, and he’s got all sorts of plans to raise taxes to accomplish it. He’s also very anti-trade because the labor unions are.

    So yeah, O! the Super Genius Who Will Redistribute Our Wealth (Lisa, no moderate, centrist, or conservative would EVER utter “redistribute wealth” in public; O! is just so used to being around socialists that his ideas sound normal to him) plans to DO EXACTLY WHAT HOOVER AND FDR DID AFTER THE FIRST CRASH.

    Which, geez, maybe it will have the same effect, think?

    Yeah, lots of damage has been done already, but there is such a thing as MAKING IT WORSE or MAKING IT MUCH MUCH WORSE or TOSSING US OUT OF THE FRYING PAN INTO THE SMELTER FURNACE.

    Leftist have No Clue about how to run an economy. They think that they can keep taking stuff from the rich and giving it to the poor, and the rich will keep on producing like before.

    But what Lefties don’t get (and if they did, they wouldn’t be Lefties) is that when the COSTS of making money become a big hassle, people will settle for mediocrity.

    And then the engines of prosperity grind to a halt, and the Left concludes that maybe they didn’t have a big enough pie to start with.

    And on to the next country! This time it really will work!

  132. TmjUtah says:

    The really, really funny thing about watching Kos jack off like this is that never in his wildest dreams does he understand that he, and his ilk, will be the first layer of soot on the creamatoria smoke stacks if he gets even half of what he’s asking for in a new, improved, socialist utopia.

  133. Rusty says:

    #104
    Comment by Lisa on 10/16 @ 2:10 pm #

    I am sure he will be pragmatic enough not to be a Carter Redux. He has better political instincts.

    Oh.noes. We better hope Axelrod has better political instincts.You’re going to be electing Zelig and the people he owes the most to are the ones that will be making policy. Wanna guess who they are going to be?

  134. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    never in his wildest dreams does he understand that he, and his ilk, will be the first layer of soot

    Yes. After the revolution, revolutionaries become superfluous.

  135. SGT Ted says:

    but can get all Hulk sounding (”Kos Smash!”) when talking about Americans and politics?

    Well, thats because he won’t be doing any actual *fighting*, which is why he whizzed his britches at the thought of honoring his oath and ran away from the Army, but *talks* bigtime shit on the intertubes, with no intention of backing it up personally.

  136. SGT Ted says:

    I envy you Mr. Pink. I will probably be on my flight back from Iraq to home. I’ll have to wait on the hydraulic memory scrub until a week or so later.

    Not if you lay over in Ireland. Unless the Troop Commander is a dick.

  137. SGT Ted says:

    Secretary of Cracka-Assed Crackas

    LMAO!

    I think Al Sharpton has that post locked up.

  138. Mr. Pink says:

    Yeah I remember that bar in the airport in Ireland did not know what a carbomb was. Either that or he thought I was just a huge prick.

  139. meya says:

    So who here thinks that conservatives will have their feelings hurt by losing elections? I think despite all the fear and inverse bravado, around here, their feelings will be quite different. I think the primary lesson they’ll learn is that we need more Sarah Palin: unleashed. Unleashed to speak her words, not those the McCain campaign puts in front of her. Free of shackles of “speeches” and “talking points.” Instead, they’ll reason, they’ll have her do what she does best: talk through anything.

  140. TmjUtah says:

    I think what Governor Palin does best is get done what she intends to accomplish.

    Words are nice. But they are no measure of a person. Deeds, history, a record that stands on its own merits… that’s how you pick your leaders.

    Well, then there’s Urkel. He talks reel purty. Record? Not so much, but he’s worked mightily to craft a legend, and media has done a tremendous amount of heavy lifting to make that leaden turkey appear to fly.

    Everything that I know about Barak Obama just reinforces my judgement that he’s patently unfit for any elected office in America. Forget the presidency; he’s the kind of person that usually makes it no further than a spot on a Homeowners’ Association.

    Or a largish island in the Caribbean.

  141. MAJ (P) John says:

    #18. Yeah, I managed to get off the plane first when we stopped over in Shannon on the way home from Afghanistan. I ran up to the barman and told him “there are 234 more American soldiers follwoing behind me, and they haven’t had a drink in 12 months – better call for help.” He grabbed the phone, called the help and started pulling pints as fast as he could.

    Best pint I ever had in my life.

    I do hope we stop and get at least one pint in. That, and I’ll be racing to the duty free store with my Mastercard in hand. The single malt Irish Whisky will be on me when we get back to Ft. Riley…

  142. MAJ (P) John says:

    uh, #138 that is…

  143. Wow. What an antisocial asshole. Apparently it’s not good enough to win, he wants to hurt people. Makes you wonder what Kos thinks of Jews.

  144. Mark A. Flacy says:

    Re “cutting taxes”.

    Tax rates are not set by the executive. They are set by the legislature.

    Both McCain and Obama are already in an excellent position to change the tax rates if they so desired. So when any of those two mumble about what they will do about the tax rates when they are President, my question back is “what the fuck are you doing about it now, Senators? After all, why wait?”

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