— Well, not in those exact words, but it’s the thought that counts.
Audio here, courtesy Hot Air.
Writes Allah:
[Howard Gutman’s] M.O. reminds me of Greenwald trying to rewrite the definition of “chickenhawk†so that it applies to the right but not the left: Start with the smear you want to use, then refine the parameters just enough to protect your own side from the tu quoque. In this case it means replacing the argument that mom should be home with the family with the more highly nuanced argument that any politician of either sex should be home when their family’s in crisis. Bristol’s pregnant and baby Trig has Down’s syndrome and, gosh, don’t you think a responsible mother gender-neutral parent would consider that before doing something as rash as running for high office? To which I reply: Am I hallucinating or isn’t there a guy on the other ticket who had a much worse family crisis than this, who in fact has been praised to the heavens for not quitting his job and instead making a heroic effort to manage both kids and career through hard times? Did I dream that? I could have sworn I heard something about it recently.
Add to this new “family-in-crisis” tut-tutting the rather carefully bracketed argument Dems used during the 2004 Democratic veep’s own family crisis — you know, his wife coming down with cancer while he bravely soldiered on, proving his devotion to country above all else (not to mention Liz Edwards’ strength, keeping a stiff upper lip while her man John ran off to save the country from Bush Fascism, and plan places to park his cock while Liz was on the drip) — and you come away thinking either, 1) the Dem campaign truly thinks the American people are quite stupid (and at this time, they appear to be about half right); or 2) there really is a sexist double-standard at work here — one that, in addition to showing up the Democratic party as one of cynical opportunism, has provided the delicious side spectacle of Gloria Steinem and other establishment feminists contorting themselves into dusty little pretzels in order to justify their continued “feminist” support for a ticket that has, at every turn, proven itself to be in practice very much like the “patriarchy” these women have long pretended to fight.
Sarah Palin is a rebuke to the double standard the Democrats are pushing, even as they can’t decide whether or not pushing it is the best strategy. She is a thumb in the eye to the kind of feminists our establishment feminists have determined are the only legitimate kind — namely, those who follow a “progressive political platform,” speak and think in virtual ideological lock step, and go to plays featuring talking vaginas.
At every turn, the Obama campaign and its supporters have quickly abandoned their supposedly cherished principles to attack Governor Palin. Privacy, equality for women, a regard for the “little guy” (so long as the little guy remains abstract; once it wanders inside the Beltway or near their salons stinking of reindeer and cod, well, that’s taking things just a bit too far, isn’t it, dear?) — all of these things Democrats and progressives have pretended to champion have now been put on hold so that attacks on Sarah Palin can proceed apace.
But don’t be so quick to judge. Because, you see, they’re doing it for you. AND FOR FREEDOM!
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update: More on Mr Gutman here. Via Ace, via phreshone.
Ahh I long for the Clinton years where “regard for the little guy” had a personal meaning I could connect with.
And I think it is such a hoot watching to feministas doing a “Clarence Thomas” on Palin, for precisely the same reasons they used to justify their Vast Double Standard. But, it has always been about leftwing ideology and not the equality that they give hand jobs to.
The politics of meaning I believe it was labeled. There was also a New Covenant and some other stuff too.
‘Twas ever thus. It has always surprised me that the left has gotten away with this crap for so long. They’re the worst practitioners of everything they accuse conservatives of. They’re venal, small-minded bigots whose principles vanish when those principles collide with their self-interest. I used to think that they were well-meaning but misguided. No more. They’re evil little shits.
Elvis plus Ev’ry-
Woman becomes bigger than
Reagan who smiles down
But, it has always been about leftwing ideology and not the equality that they give hand jobs to.
So very, very true. The stalking horse is obvious to anyone caring to know anymore. I also think the comparison to Clarence Thomas is particularly apt insofar as both Thomas and Palin are from constituencies the Left considers itself defenders of. When step off the Left’s plantation or out of their kitchen, the fury and rage is palpable.
Jeffersonian: Indeed. For an example closer to home, look at the way that Jeff G. has been treated by some academics.
There is a special place in hell for those evil Kos blog creators.
For all of her incoherent gibbering, Nishi is right about one thing: It’s a tribal outlook that drives this rage.
Then Howard, maybe the fact that you were defense attorney for Bill Ayers’ Weather Underground killers, should be exposed widely
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Comment by Jeffersonian on 9/6 @ 12:52 pm #
For all of her incoherent gibbering, Nishi is right about one thing: It’s a tribal outlook that drives this rage.
Well, that and height, Jeffersonian
That must have been one of the 90% of Nishi’s posts I skipped.
I’m still surprised at the extent to which people are willing to assume they already know the circumstances and intentions involved in Bristol Palin’s (and her boyfriend’s) life. And mostly, as far as I have seen, everyone assumes something untoward going on, when I still believe it possible nothing of the sort may be the case.
As ace said, if you can’t control your campaign underlings, how do you think you are going to run your administration?
Charlie Foxtrot; completely Foxtrot Uniform Bravo Alpha Romeo.
– Well, yesterday it was O! whining about that “soccermom bully”, followed up with EagletonGate.
– Today its the “Great American Flag dissing”, (The Jackass’s went totally batshit and issued a press comment that the Reps “stole” their flags. Maybe they will want to take that up with the Trash company that offered them to the DNC, and THEN to the RNC. I don’t know. Whaddyah think? Heh. Theres a side dish about a flamewar over who did earmarks, and Obama isn’t looking good in that arena either.
– Heh. Heh heh heh……..heh
– KEEP CHEWING THAT PALIN DOGGIE-BONE DISGUISED HAND GRENADE LEFTIES!!!!!
– And its only Saturday.
The howl of the moonbats.
Well at least when the wheels of the bus come off there are plenty of bodies underneath to support it.
#10 phresphone:
So people should not have effective representation before the courts?
News to me. And news to most Americans who don’t like ‘show trials’.
I think it’s the connection that’s important, not the job he did, Mikey NTH.
Ayers being just some guy from O’s hood and all.
Imminent press release:
“This is not the big wad of campaign cash I thought I knew.”
or
“Thanks for the nomination, baby. You can leave the cash on the dresser.”
Those quotes, like the ones always found around “progressive” when someone’s pointing to a “‘progressive'”‘s racism, concede everything. The BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY is not worth it — not only because it doesn’t work. I’m sure you can spot the problem.
A thing is what it is. Feminism is “establishment feminism,” “gender feminism,” whatever. There’s nothing else for the word to point to. Nothing is “on hold.” The out-of-quotes definition was always a lie.
Different things have different words for them. Use ’em.
– BTW, concerning the Oprah diss Palin deal. Its being reported that a member of her staff said all of her people really wanted to have her on the show, but Oprah and a couple of her top lackies almost got hysterical, and threatened some firings if the staff didn’t stop talking about it. So much for “not using her Celeb” to back any particular candidate. I’ll bet she owns property in Okie Fanokie swamp too.
– I hope it stays the way it is.
– DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!
– Pass the popcorn.
You underestimate the power of an expertly wielded BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY, psycho.
#19 Jeff G.:
Oh, I know that. I just like throwing the shibboleths back in their teeth; they are Pharisees in the worst possible meaning; true ‘whited sepulchres’. To call them ‘Elmer Gantry’s’ would be to insult Elmer.
Perhaps Uriah Heep* is better name; a hissing and by-word.
*Charles Dickens – “David Copperfield”.
What strikes me as so remarkable about the election since the nomination of Palin is that Obama’s bus has already come to a screeching halt.
I don’t mean in polls, I mean in message. For eight days we have heard nothing but attacks on Palin from Obama, the media, and lefty blogs.
I don’t doubt that Obama is a smart guy. I know he’s got intelligent and ruthless people that want to win in his campaign.
I know that they exert some level of control over the media message, just as McCain does, but Obama’s control is greater due to the fact that he’s an ideological fellow traveler to the majority of the press.
So why is the message STILL to attack McCain through Palin?
Not only is it a tactical blunder of the first order for your campaign to compare your #1 guy to the opposition’s #2, it’s worse because she’s looking better and better by comparison.
I don’t mind that they’re doing it, since I would prefer to stave off the level of socialist programs that Obama has promised for at least another four years. I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that smart people in the Obama campaign aren’t screaming at everyone in listening range to stop going after the #2 as it’s only making Obama look the fool.
Meanwhile McCain has successfully stolen Obama’s reformist message and his bounce, and Joe Biden is busy telling stories about McCain dancing drunk on a table in Greece with Biden’s wife.
Maybe the MSM hand wringers wouldn’t worry about how all this will affect Sarah’Cuda’s kids, if Amtrak installs a rail line between the White House and the Naval Observatory. Then she can ride the train home every evening just like Joey B. !
I’m sure they could appreciate the nuance of that approach…
Media descends on Wasilla in hot pursuit of latest nutroots smear
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/media-descends-on-wasilla-in-hot-pursuit-of-latest-nutroots-smear/
So why is the message STILL to attack McCain through Palin?
Because Obama and his people (however well-educated they might be) are rookies who operate on emotion rather than logic.
I may be a lawyer, but I try to keep to my honor.
USCGAux*** – Semper Paratus* – ‘You Got To Go Out, You Don’t Got To Come Back’** and all that.
*Official motto of the US Coast Guard.
**Unofficial motto of the US Coast Guard.
***The Few, The Proud, The Totally Unpaid. What is this ‘community organizer’ gig and can we get some of that sugar slung our way when we teach safe boating classes? Or patrol waterfront events?
As far as the press hypocrisy goes; this cycle they’ve truly outdone themselves. But in letting the mask slip recklessly, the majority of the public have begun to see their machinations more clearly. That is demonstrated by the fact that a majority of Americans believe the media want to see O! elected and that the media is acting unfairly with respect to Palin.
I predict that for O! the media’s breathless assault on Palin will become electoral quicksand; the more the MSM flail about, the more his numbers will sink !
God willing, that’ll be the case…
And, Whazzup with O! accusing anyone of makin’ stuff up???
That boy has made up more stories this cycle than the brothers grimm!
Phil Gramm resigned and Soren Dayton was suspended from the McCain campaign for violating campaign rules. Gramm got caught telling the too blunt truth about the U.S. economy. Dayton only sent a link to an anti-Obama video in an email. Neither type of incident has reocurred since.
McCain can control people in his campaign. Why can’t Obama?
Since I’m a Republican now, I not only ask questions, I answer them.
Obama can’t control his own campaign because he’s an empty suit, a figurehead, a puppet for the corrupt Chicago Democratic machine. And the corrupt Chicago Democratic machine just doesn’t care if they look bad to the rest of us.
#27
– Behold the face of raw fear, panic, and loathing.
– As I’ve said before, a lot of people, including excitable Andy, are going to be looking for jobs if their messiah crashes and burns, so they are all “nothing to lose” at this point.
– Jess keep on a’chewin Lefties. Ooooorah!
They are “off limits” to him and Biden. Open season for all of his media fellators and campaign hacks.
The Audacity of My Hope Dreams of Father
I think that may be part of it, SBP. I’m also starting to think that she kinda-sorta fits the standard template of the preferred fight they’ve imagined in their heads. She’s got the christian thing to her and she’s a rightwinger. If she was only a man, they’d have the trifecta of evil and they could launch all the carefully prepared arguments that they’ve been saving in their strawman hypotheticals about the evil repressiony state of amerikkka. Payback for the poor sods in their own personal Footloose who had no Kevin Bacon to dance them free.
So, for the attack dogs, 2 outta 3 is enough. Damn the ovaries, full steam ahead.
Ain’t nobody saying nothing about Joe bin Biden 5 deferments.
Dat only apply to chickenhawk Cheney.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/one_unlikely_vp_debate_questio.html
– The Dems won’t touch that entire subject of military duty with a well worn ribbed condom.
So why is the message STILL to attack McCain through Palin?
My guess is to provoke Palin into changing her tone so it’s a little angrier. You can get tired of anyone’s snark after two months. As hot as I am for Palin, there are times when she edges very close to Ann Richards’ sing-songy “’cause he wuz borned with a silver spoon in his mouff” snark. Our girl better be careful.
I dunno, Salt… I, for one, am happy to see someone… ANYONE… fight back againts the KosKiddies/DNC verbal sewage.
There were times when I wish Bush and/or Cheney would just EMP Kos’ servers into oblivion.
Of course… the BushHitler/Halliburton cabal contains better men than I.
Sure, Dewclaw, as long as Sarah can keep that big beautiful smile on her face and the acid out of her voice, those zingers will do fine.
Dude’s rattled:
“Guy who requested $740 million in earmarks on Palin: You can’t really be for change if you’re pro-earmark”
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/guy-who-requested-740-million-in-earmarks-on-palin-you-cant-really-be-for-change-if-youre-pro-earmark/
Baracky is leaning more heavily than ever on his media crutches, that they won’t call him on his stammering stupid. Things atrophy when you do that he should be careful.
– He’s making two mistakes at once. Earmarks is one of those areas he should keep hidden behind the MagicBus, and campaigning against Palin. Any pundit with two weeks of experience will read the book to you on that little royal fuckup…..the #1 taking on the other guys #2.
– Holy shit are they ever scared of her.
Three mistakes I think cause it’s just all too easy to imagine Baracky being bullied. Y’all for real should give him back his lunch money.
– The other thing I’m loving is that O! has lost his facetime monopoly. Every one of the mediot outlets will go 24/7 for him, but everyones watching FOX.
– Veering back somewhat to the thread topic, the Palins, bless their irresponsible little middle America, small town hick, fly-over country, truck gunrack, bible clinging hearts, seem blissfully unaware they’re neck deep in the most egregious of “family crisis”.
– Maybe the Obama camp should send a group of Family social workers, and a community organizer or two, up there and inform the poor dears so they can properly fall apart according to the wet dreams of the Left.
– Tell me again how you do that thing where you erect a strawman, and then hand it to your opponent and demand they fall down in the mire.
– Does that really work? Because that would be a hell of a diplomatic tool when you have to deal with one of those tiny, non-threatening countries like Iran.
I know Howard personally, and though I disagree with him politically, I know he is a man of great character who has made sacrifices for his family and is only involved in politics because he wants what is best for the country. If you’ve never been on a radio show before you don’t know how hard it is to not make a mistake and say something silly. He should be judged on his whole life, not one minute on the radio.
He should be judged on his whole life, not one minute on the radio.
Judge not lest ye be judged. Does the same sentiment not apply to Sarah Palin?
MIchael is a busy Baracky scrotum licker today.
Here he is as “Jo” on the ABC News site…
So Howard is a sexist piece of shit I don’t see what the big deal is. All the cool Baracky kids are dissing the bitches.
Bros before Hos
Two years ago, progg hero Joe Sestak deided to run for Congress with his young daughter having been recently diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Incumbent Curt Weldon made some remark about it and the proggs lost thier collective shit, because naturally, the Evil Rethuglican was attacking the sick child by virue of bringing it up.
If a terminally ill child isn’t a bar to service, Downs and preggers can’t be either. Right?
MIchael could use some originality. Or this is why they’re called Obamabots.
So I came home from work today and held my little daughter as she looked at me with tears in her eyes and said, “Why do they hate Uncle Howard Gutman so?”
53. Pablo
That standard only applies to Progtards. They have a different standard for everyone else.
BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!!!
Michael: “I know Howard personally, and though I disagree with him politically, I know he is a man of great character who has made sacrifices for his family and is only involved in politics because he wants what is best for the country.”
As evidenced by what,precisely, Michael? His cavalier disregard of Obama’s direction to lay off the Palin family? His apparently single-minded desire to metaphorically sacrifice the Palin family on the altar of political correctness and liberal victory? Just because you like him and can’t quit him does not make him a man of integrity or great character.
This ain’t bean-bag, Michael — there are no do-overs. Gutterman stepped in it and tracked it across the room.
Obama vowed to fire anybody fucking with Palin’s family. Is he going to stand up and do the right thing, or pussy out once again. That is the question. When is Obama going to show some balls.
– I think we should start calling this approach the “dog drag defense”, or 3dicks for short.
– It can be characterized as follows:
– “I know ________ personally, and although I don’t agree with his/her politics, he/she is a good hearted person, and should not be judged harshly, forgetting all his/her good works, just because he/she did one thing silly, because I’ll tell you something. I can guarantee that almost every time he/she lets his/her dog ride inside the car.
B Moe: “Obama vowed to fire anybody fucking with Palin’s family. Is he going to stand up and do the right thing, or pussy out once again. That is the question. When is Obama going to show some balls.”
As soon as his life tells them where they are… hey, maybe those are the earrings she was talking about.
Here he is as “Jo†on the ABC News site…
See, I don’t think you could be married to happy and be a liar, too. You’d have to choose.
LEAVE HOWARD ALONE!!!
Personally, I could do without a peek at Obama’s balls.
Sean M: “LEAVE HOWARD ALONE!!!”
Calling a pissant a pissant isn’t abuse.
I don’t doubt that Obama is a smart guy.
I do. He’s adept at appearing to be smart to the gullible and to willing believers. The gaps in his knowledge are as massive as the very maw of hell. If he were actually smart, he’d have something to show for it besides two ghost-written autobiographies and 128 “present” votes in the state senate.
But possessing some degree of intelligence means absolutely nothing. I’m pretty intelligent myself — proof being that I easily jumped through the academic hoops at Cornell — but the list of stuff I don’t know/can’t do is longer than the list of stuff I do know/can do.
I can write a mean essay, and I can do it fast. I can absorb massive amounts of new information and write coherently about it in a very short time. I can devise easy-to-understand graphics to explain complex processes. I can learn linguistic stuff pretty fast. I’m good at geography. I’m also good at distinguishing between plant and animal species and that kind of thing. I can devise killer color schemes.
But I couldn’t start or run a small business to save my life.
I couldn’t run a campaign for dog catcher, let alone city council, let alone mayor, let alone governor.
I can’t do the electric slide. And believe me I’ve tried.
I can’t zero-out a till on a consistent basis. Ask my former employers.
I can’t play any sport of any kind.
Though when I was twelve, I shot at 10 clay pigeons, smashed two, and nicked one. So there’s that.
What I mean to say is that there is absolutely no correlation between “intelligence” and morality or common sense or anything else, for that matter.
The most awful atrocities that have been committed have been committed by the intelligent, the clever, the smart, the talented, the charming, the persuasive.
“I do. He’s adept at appearing to be smart to the gullible and to willing believers. The gaps in his knowledge are as massive as the very maw of hell. If he were actually smart, he’d have something to show for it besides two ghost-written autobiographies and 128 “present†votes in the state senate.”
O dicentra, you got that so right, it cuts to the bone it does. It ought to be pointed out day after day by the McCain campaign and that shouldn’t be hard to do with the constant supply of ammunition Baracky hands over every time he speaks. Well done you.
I would call O! polished. Or well practiced, maybe. But not smart.
Just watch his interview with O’Reilly. He is sweating like a whore in church, which he kinda is, if you think about it.
I hope that Johnny Mac doesn’t do something stupid like let the lefties stack the debates to favor the O-tard too much.
Good points, dicentra, but I would add intelligence isn’t really the most desirable trait in a chief executive. Hiring intelligent people to serve you isn’t hard at all, what is required is judgement, and wisdom. Very different things than intelligence.
“When is Obama going to show some balls.”
I think Jesse has them.
#45 haps:
We can’t. She already bought lunch and made him watch as she ate.
I disagree with Gutman. I also think he realizes he stuck his nose in too far. This election isn’t a referendum on Sarah Palin; her family will be just fine, regardless of all the playground taunts back and forth. I have always thought that Obama surrounded himself with loose cannon types. He truly needs to seize the wheel of his campaign bus, or it’ll careen over the pedestrian bridge, and crash into the terminal.
The O! has no principles,but a bunch of Marxist maxims, so there’s no real feedback internally when crap like this goes down. It’s the morality of the moment.
dicentra:
We quibble over the meaning of smart. I was using it in the problem-solving, generally adept sense of the word (Harvard Law magna cum laude isn’t a blue ribbon from the county fair.) I think we’d both agree that Obama is generally unprincipled, with a morality based on power gain (I can’t reject my pastor who reminds me of my racist granny… except that now he’s not the racist granny pastor I once knew.) His stated beliefs, few that they are, tend to shift based on what is polling well, and he’s easily manipulated by the people he believes provide him with immediate access to power. For that reason he’s willing to dance around on FISA to placate the moderates, while it’s essential that he maintain his increasingly repellent opposition to the surge to placate the nutroot base.
What’s surprising to me is for a guy who has run a pretty slick and well-managed campaign, it’s nearly inexcusable that he (and the media organs in his thrall) continue to fall for the Palin briar patch days after she proved that she wasn’t just a pretty face. They keep digging and digging hoping that one of the wackaloon conspiracy theories they spit out will have enough truth to do major damage, and thus support the essential underlying meme that justifies the attacks: that McCain didn’t vet Palin enough, and his judgment is therefor shoddy.
The problem is, the longer the unleashed media flog Palin over untruths and speak breathlessly about the latest hint of a rumor of scandal, the higher the bar of proof of any actual scandal for the american public to give it credence. At this point, she would have to be caught on video field dressing a tranny hooker while chanting satanic rituals for the american public to believe that she wasn’t qualified to be VP, almost entirely because of the insane overreaction of the left to her nomination.
And if they can’t dig up dirt within the next three days, the statute of limitations on the McCain didn’t vet meme will have expired. After all, exactly how deep was the McCain team supposed to look?
Meanwhile McCain is sitting out the news cycle in person, watching the press immolate themselves in a way reminiscent of Rathergate, and smiling like a sonofabitch. I’m starting to be reminded of the way he used the evangelical support for Huckabee to cut Romney off at the knees. But in a good way this time.
cynn, Gutman’s doing exactly what O! wants him to — he’s tossing the slime in a way that lets the Messiah stay clean.
cynn: “I disagree with Gutman. I also think he realizes he stuck his nose in too far. ”
It’s easy to realize you’ve stepped in something once you’ve tracked it across the room. All that remains now is whether or not Obama has the integrity to follow upon his declaration. I’m betting on “no.”
Rob Crawford: I don’t know that you can say definitively that Obama has these surrogates that do his evil bidding. Look, I’m lefty myself, and I know the urge to take a stand. We don’t fall in line that well.
By the way, I am here because I’m trying to cook some chicken on the grill. I am waiting for the coals to heat up. I had no charcoal lighter, so I used nail polish remover as a starter. If you never hear from me again, just say a prayer for my butterfly bush.
I have no idea what a butterfly bush is, but I’m madly googling to find out.
Ah, it’s a plant what looks like a tad like a butterfly. Makes sense I suppose.
How low can they go?
Oh, Butteflies LOVE those bushes. I have a few, and the monarchs and what-not go crazy for them.
Cynn, the good thing about those bushes, is that you really have to try hard to kill them. Even if everything above ground dies … eventually it will come back. Forgiving.
Unlike those damn gosh darn arborvitae things. It’s seems half of the ones that get planted die. I swears, if you ever hear I’m planting one of those, you will know I’ve gone around the bend.
You know what is the best thing ever? A butterfly bush, the butterflies it attracts, and a really, really fat kitty. See the fat kitty jump in the air!
I had no charcoal lighter, so I used nail polish remover as a starter.
Try one of these cynn:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07110144000P?vName=Lawn & Garden&cName=Grills&sNam
start your charcoal quicker and safer with just a couple of sheets of newspaper.
Tastes better and is healthier, too.
Actually, around here, bees like them big time. I haven’t seen a hummingbird or a butterfly all summer; I’ve seen the little honeybees. Fortunately, they are not the aggressive Africanized version, but I still support the little bees. Political, I know.
Notice their’s no mention of the contemporary legal challenges faced by Biden’s adult progeny in the Wikipedia, unlike its assured education about the personal life of Palin’s daughter. Just in case you were thinking that the Wikipedia has become something other than a leftist information source recently.
Cynn, I wrote (somewheres here) that the hummingbirds have taken over my bird-feeding station. I didn’t realize they were territorial, but they will chase the other birds away if they want their nectar. I don’t know how many I’ve got, but you only have to wait about a minute or two at the window to see them. They also like to fly up to the window (I suppose they’re looking at their reflection) and they sit there and give the most awesome chance to really study them.
Know what, MC? I believe Biden’s son is involved in civil litigation, not some grand criminal inictment you’d love to see. And it’s not even resolved yet. Boo!
Oh, MC, I don’t think anyone has fallen under that mistaken assumption.
You want a flower that can survive a nuclear winter, Carin? Four o’clocks. When I was a lad, we had a four o’clock shrub next to our house that my mother hated. She had my dad chop it down, cut out the roots, and pour a concrete patio over the remains. Very Don Corleone, really. Next summer, up comes the four o’clock bush in the seam between the patio and the house.
HA! I can admire a plant like that. Shows spunk.
Carin: Actually I’m out of birds now and into bats. I have a wonderful bathouse and they are clean and unobtrusive and keep my garden clear of pests. Perhaps they scare off other creatures, but I’ll stick with the bees and bats.
You’re right, Cynn.
The fraud thing for Biden’s son is really just a fancy term for breach of contract. Allegations of deception in getting a friend to invest or something. Shady and dishonest if true, but not illegal.
The daughter was arrested a few years ago, but I see no reason to make hay of it. Really not all that interested in a pissing contest of missteps of politician family members, because once it gets to the Kennedys, which it eventually does, it’s all downhill from there.
oh. bat house.
Thank you, Hadlowe. I was getting ready to bail here. But thanks for that.
“I believe Biden’s son is involved in civil litigation, not some grand criminal inictment you’d love to see.”
The problem with the dems is that O!, bin Biden and bin Biden son are all have high level involvement with the earmark game. Yea Change you can believe in.
Here is a Washington Post story on the Biden brother/son thing. Note that Biden’s relatives have filed a counterclaim against the guy suing them, alleging fraud on his part too.
Posting mostly in support of Jeff, ie checking in. Generally my vodka tainted opinions are not worth much but I enjoy reading the commentary/
However, I was discussing the oprah thing with a liberal friend and she said “why doesnt obama just replace biden with oprah ? ” I was frightened that it was moronic and yet would make perfect sense to the left.
Comment by Evil Pundit on 9/6 @ 6:59 pm #
How low can they go?
DUDE THAT IS FREAKIN SICK. I WISH I COULD REACH THROUGH MY COMPUTER AND CHOKE.
…ans there’s your answer, Hadlowe.
I am not a McCain supporter at all but these attacks on Palin are pushing me over the edge. They had me at the “20 year member of a racist church” bit, but the “let’s attack her baby with Down syndrome” bit has me about to freakin donate. Do these people even realize that they are their own worst enemy?
Hey, Evil Pundit. That was really Evil. Gotta find me some eye bleach. I’m with Mr. Pink, that was just freakin awful.
They must not know about the first rule of holes: When in one, QUIT DIGGING!!!
“I was frightened that it was moronic and yet would make perfect sense to the left.”
Cult of Personality.
Pin your hopes on Sarah’s plucky perseverance as opposed to Obama’s Peter Pan magic. The inveterate boy-king wins out every time.
Jo is also at Stop the ACLU
“Jo on September 6th, 2008 3:18 pm
I know Howard Gutman personally. He is a brilliant, honorable man working for his beliefs and the country he loves. He is devoted to his family and has made great sacrifices on their behalf. I disagree with his political affiliations, and have told him this, but I would never impugn the man’s sincerity or character.
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You guys are dredging. Sadly, Yes.
cynn has a point. History is on the side of the black man over the white woman.
On on unrelated note, and one could be taken as totally less than masculine, I went with the wife to see Les Miserables last night at Wolf Trap, and holy crap is that some good stuff. Gonna see it again tomorrow.
The Chicago machine is just an effective front, I think.
For whom?
Ummm..Let’s see. Soros, maybe?
Maybe I’m paranoid, but even the “Chicago machine” is not capable of foisting this little pretender on the public with out a ton of money. And how better to hide money than by using the internet?
And the nazi tactics?
I smell some fish here…
History has no such history. Nice try.
It does cynn, if you doubt check in with Mz. Stanton as she has some rather unfortunate remarks regarding it.
If you are so terrified of spooky Chicago voodoo politics, I suggest you become engaged in local political activities. Volunteer to be an election judge; maybe staff the election centers. Shut up already and do something meaningful.
She said spook!
And voodoo.
I’m soon to move to Obama’s birth state cynn, and what you suggest is on the to do list. I take it you understand my reference?
At the least of what is to come we who understand the truth of what hope is made of have at least some reason to bring the Huzzah, yes?
BTW, cynn, I fear nothing as to the choices of my countrymen.
Negroid feelings of inferiority need to be addressed.
dre-
Ain’t nobody saying nothing about Joe bin Biden 5 deferments.
Dat only apply to chickenhawk Cheney.
Gov. Palin is a “hunter”… and is surely “hunkered down” in some good coverage while enjoying a ‘cold beverage’- patiently waiting to expend her “ammo” on a phenomenally dumb turkey that will be wandering by on Oct 2, 2008…
This is going to be good!”– Kent “Flounder” Dorfman
You guys seriously need to explain yourselves. ‘Cause I don’t get the nuance.
Take it this way cynn. Imagine American history as one large footstep. Back in 1984 the Democrats brought the left foot down, and the GOP planted it’s foot. Now 24 years later the GOP has decided that it is willing to match that step, thus matching the baseline set for it, and the country, oh those many years ago. This is something of a pattern for this nation of ours.
The question, then, is do you rejoice that we are finally in agreement on that question? Or do you play politics and decry the choice? You are, of course, free to point out that the Dems have made another step that we on the right will again have to match.
Oddly enough, as much a fan of McCain as I am not, his speech actually touched me. We are countrymen (countrypeople) and as such I am willing to put the important issue confronting us all well above party allegiance.
I know Howard Gutman personally. He fucking sux.
E.G.: I hear the hifalutin shit from both sides. As much as you tighty-whiteys may want to toss off the economy as an aside, a whole hella people are suffering. Me, too; I’m even white!
That will be the defining issue; that will be the pivot. Americans in general are amibvalent about the Iraq war. However, as it becomes more clear how this war disaster intersects with their actual lives, expect a furious upheaval. If I had my way, it would have started long ago.
how might that be? I’m just curious what you’re getting at here.
Oh I get it, you’re trying to build up some suspense. I’ll wait.
Because by and large, people are neither invested nor informed about this engagement. I could be a lying sack of shit, but that’s my impression, and God help us.
okay, but then you claim they’re going to “find out about it” and become angry, I assumed you had something in mind that would bring it to their attention and wondered what it might be.
War is God’s will.
“That will be the defining issue; that will be the pivot. Americans in general are amibvalent about the Iraq war. However, as it becomes more clear how this war disaster intersects with their actual lives, expect a furious upheaval. If I had my way, it would have started long ago.”
– Yes cynn. Absolutely. Instead of this crazy wasteful rush to war, we could have turned our attention to here at home, and saved bundles of mony and many lives, and spent the time between 2001 and 2012 building and expanding our own house, taking care of all the social injustices shortchanging people from their birthrights to have mush more depemdible guarentees.
– After all, truth be known the enemy is basically one step up from stone tools, so we wouldn’t really have a threat to ourselves.
– Then. 2012. September, late, indian summer, labor day week, everyone getting back into the harness for the long winter ahead.
– At 8:11:23 on 9/11/2012 Manhattan suddenly glows in a white hot fireball as 3 million Americans just disappeare in a nuclear fireball at ground zero.
– But the rest of the country is hardly effected in any real way, so overall its still a win.
– Progress.
OK, forget it, Maggie. You’re being coy. And cute. I was simply musing, or ruminating, like a good cudlips. I am simply suggesting that this crazy Assault on Iraq might flip some kind of switch on this election.
Well, New Yorkers anyway. It would still be awful.
like it did in 2004? I’m not being coy… okay, really I’m trying to gauge your alcohol level, because I think you make more sense to yourself than to anyone else here and I was trying to be nice and maybe engage you honestly, but whatevs.
– happy, I have not a single doubt that Progressives in general would consider it a smart trade off.
Fuck you. I LIKE ketchup on my hot dogs! BECAUSE OF THE TOMATOES!
cynn
The hifalutin shit is now unavoidable, good or bad, it just is. As to economics, I trust neither party these days as both just seem inclined to TAKE and deliver nothing other than empty promises as to how they will help those still damaged by offshoring and lack of positions in manufacturing. How we got here is a conversation we should have, if we can find a way to do so minus allegiance to bullshit party preference.
I’m new born, more capable of understanding of situation in place of ideology. I hope I will not be the only one to occupy this place, no matter who happens to take the POTUS this November.
Iraq is our friend now. We do things together and make plans all the time. It’s a lot different than it used to be.
Big Bang Hunter: With respect, you have your head up the Past’s ass. Yes, we live in precarious times. But why get stuck there, like being trapped on traintracks?
I try to empathize with New Yorkers but Charles Schumer makes it hard. With New Yorkers you have to force yourself to think of them as individuals or they’re really not much of a prize otherwise.
To my mind, Iraq is a non starter this election. Because we won, or perhaps equally importantly the Iraqis did.
Baracky still says he was right to to call the surge stupid. He’s really an obnoxious person I think.
“With respect, you have your head up the Past’s ass.”
– …..errors of the past cynn, and all that.
– Bromides, and glib knockoffs won’t stop the chop of the scimitar.
– Quite a strong roadway could be built from New York to London with the billions of peoples bones that have forgotten that “head up the ass” lesson.
educ. guy: Yes, I believe this is a war to be won or lost by the Iraquis. Far from over, and it’s a valid issue as to whether or not we toss any more money into the abyss.
Tyranny is cheap.
Free, really.
BBH: You are such a blustery old fucker. Suppose I kit you out and send you to Afghanistan and Pakistan; would you take care of the problem withing a couple weeks?
– Since you like to hide in bromides in place of any real action cynn, in the trademark manner of the Progressive movement, heres another bromide for you:
– If you meet the Cobra on the road, you can smile, bow, and call him “Mr. Cobra”.
– No doubt he will return the smile and bow, and then bite you anyway.
– You can’t talk your way out of the aggressors desires.
– Hes simply not smart enough.
cynn
Money is fake, life is real. Let us both hope that this truth plays out well for the Iraqis and for those of this country who are currently unable to understand this truth due to very real economic realities.
OK, you got me there!
Education Guy: that is one of the most insipid platitudes I’ve ever encountered. Upshot: Suffer your financial calamities, because we all live in a shadowy cave. Downshot: Lose everything. Bullshit.
Comment by cynn on 9/6 @ 7:23 pm #
Carin: Actually I’m out of birds now and into bats.
…Nah, too easy…
no really, how is Iraq causing this?
Seriously, I’ve been on and off here. Did Jeff actually ban “them?” Am I it?
– Once you realize that your opponent is not smart enough to control himself, the decision of war has been made.
– The only thing left to be decided is the way you will fight the war when it comes.
– Its usually a good idea to fight it at your opponents disadvantage. There are no “good” ways to fight a war. Deciding how you’ll go about it is a very sad process of choosing the best “bad” approach.
– The good news is that as people live longer and longer, war will become less and less attractive to the illiterate.
Don’t be so BettyBoop, maggie. The Iraq mess is may not directly impact the average citizen who is suffering an increasing cost of living. Rather, the deferred costs are impacting future generations!
BBH: Why is war less attractive to the illiterate? That makes no sense.
– I don’t believe he did cynn, no. Although some of the guest bloggers have taken to redacting some of the more obnoxious comments over at the pub.
unlike, oh for an example, Social Security?
I’m struggling to keep up here. Is maggie equating Iraq with social security?
well, if we’re talking about things costing our “future generations” then yes.
Well, I’m against it. Next question?
Actually, in the past 7 years, I haven’t had any financial difficulty. I’m a blue collar guy, working for an hourly wage building roads in Kaleefornia. I got a nice 401k that took a bad hit 9/11, and hasn’t done much in the last year or so since gas went up and housing prices went down, but it will catch up in the next 20 years before I retire.
The thing is, I have tried to make wise financial decisions. I didn’t buy a house I couldn’t afford. I really wanted a new mustang GT when the new style came out in ’05, but decided I didn’t want a car payment, so I’m still happy with my paid for well maintained pick-up. I don’t need all the new gadgets, big TV, HD DVD recorder, iphone, wii, and the latest 8MB ipod. I pay my visa off every month.
I still have plenty to enjoy myself, because I’m not caught up in consumerism, and don’t need things to be happy. I give to DAV and Soldiers Angles. I have taken a 2 week vacation to Alberta this summer, and spent 3 long weekends at the coast this year.
I wasn’t the only one there, and Target is always jammed too. I don’t notice the the big box stores closing up from lack of business either.
My point is, I have trouble feeling too sorry for all these people crying about the economy when 9 times out of 10 they have put their own ass in a crack by their greed and irresponsibility.
Sure there are those who are having a hard time through no fault of their own, but life has never been easy, never will, and there seems to be a sense of entitlement these days totally divorced from reality.I don’t care who is in office, or what example the government sets, you just can’t spend more than you make.
Anyway, unemployment is low, interest is low, inflation isn’t bad, the economy isn’t in recession, and things aren’t nearly as bad as when Jimmy Carter got done showing Obama the way.
Just my 2 cents. A nickle actually, I can spare it.
“BBH: Why is war less attractive to the illiterate?”
– Because the desire to aggress in a persons makeup is mainly composed of four elements.
– A limited, or ideologically driven education.
– A feeling of disenfranchisement compared to the wealth and possessions of others.
– A centric self importance ego-obsession.
– A fear of time limits to satisfy the first three.
– Extend longevity, and all three compulsions become less “urgent”.
– With enough longevity theres no hurry. They can always conquer the world tomorrow.
Both lee and BBH are so full I have to take three melatonin and hope i wake up in this century. God help us all.
Agh, go buy yourself something pretty and another bottle of wine cynn, you’ll be fine.
– I didn’t say it would ever end wars altogether. War is much to complex an animal to make that sort of sweeping claim. Thats the sort of thing Progressives are given to, and it shows in their way of trying to avoid all decision making.
– Longevity will simply lower the drive, and make wars fewer and further between.
– Hyperbolic comments are not examples of good debating skills cynn.
BBH: What about hyperbaric comments? Don’t they rise to the occasion?
– Well one things sure. Whoever contributed a silent, but deadly comment, will be the person grinning.
It was the dog!
– And cynn. The next time you’d rather talk about cows, just say so.
– ROFL @ maggie. That poor animal gets blamed for everthang.
I never talk about cows!! Hope your weather is as nice as I plan on here. Take care, all.
– tc cynn.
Well one things sure. Whoever contributed a silent, but deadly comment, will be the person grinning
He who smelt it dealt it…
Oops…
What about hyperbaric comments? Don’t they rise to the occasion?
She who smelt it dealt it…
Dusty. Heh.
The dust you see from “Gloria Steinem and other establishment feminists contorting themselves” is to be expected, given their level of dessication.
For more information, try watching any of the “Mummy” movies . . .
#138
Since you want to put a dollar value on it. Still cheaper than the medicare abyss, to use your phrase. And more effective.
“Don’t be so BettyBoop, maggie. The Iraq mess is may not directly impact the average citizen who is suffering an increasing cost of living. Rather, the deferred costs are impacting future generations!”
Yeah, because I and everyone else who served are going to end up as homeless guys wandering the streets in our field jackets, with unkempt beards and carboard signs with “Help a Vet” written on them. Straight out of Sterotype Central I am guessing.
My plan is to go back to my family, my job and mind my own business. But that is just me. OK, maybe I’ll ramble down to the Legion Hall once in a while for Family Burger Night.
I think that the reason that cynn thinks Iraq is a waste of time and money is Bush’s fault. And his alone.
I still don’t understand why BushCo never bothered to spend enough time trying to explain the real reason that we are in Iraq. The administration just stood there and let the left and the MSM beat them unmercifully over the head for seven years. Never made a peep, and as a result, most people hate him. If I were to point to Bush’s biggest mistake, I would have to say that it was believing that not defending and explaining, over and over, what his policies are, and what they are directed at.
As a result, almost no one has a clue why we are in Iraq, or how much a victory there will simplify (and safeguard) our children’s future. It really was the only real option to change the dynamic in the Middle East.
Freedom in Iraq will act like a virus in the Middle East. Just having
one country over there that actually lives in the 21st century is going to blow the lid off of the Troglodyte mindset of the whole area.
cynn (and millions of others)doesn’t understand, because Bush never bothered to make himself clear. THAT is what pisses me off the most about Bush.
I think Boortz still has $5,000 on the table for anyone that can prove Bush lied about anything. It’s been there since shortly after the beginning of the Iraq war. Why is it still there if Bush is such a liar?
Bush mad himself perfectly clear LD. Over and over. He has been ignored and lied about by people who know exactly what they are doing. Blaming Pres. Bush for their behaviour is like blaming a mugging victim for walking home from the grocery store.
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Also, all this smearing of Sarah should be an object lesson in the tactics of the left in general and the MSM in particular. The same technique was used against Bush and also the Iraq battle, and it should be pointed out loudly and often.
They no longer even attempt to hide that the strategy is to repeat a lie in order to form the opinions of the sheep. Not only should we pound that fact in the future, we should educate on how it was done in the past.
#102 cynn:
I don’t know about that. “Plucky persevering girl” has a pretty successful run in most fiction. Very popular.
So Sarah Palin is Nancy Drew?
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