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McCain speech open thread

Yes, nishi, he’s old. Will probably let slip a dust and cabbage fart while trying to bend over to pick up an errant streamer.

But the real question is: what if he dies mid speech? Would Sarah Palin be qualified to come out onstage and finish it for him?

OLBY NEEDS TO KNOW!

334 Replies to “McCain speech open thread”

  1. happyfeet says:

    John McCain gets a lot of points for not picking Tom Ridge for VP I think.

  2. dre says:

    McCain just showed the bottom of the barrel of his VP picks.

  3. flan says:

    They aren’t going to be able to top last night. They should re-run last night.

  4. Sdferr says:

    Never did like those guys who insist you chant with them. Bah. Now if people want to chant spontaneously on their own, okie-dokie, but insisting, fuck no and bite me.

  5. happyfeet says:

    That really was bottom-barrel, Cindy is fascinating though. I always want to know more and more about her. Cause she’s so interesting.

  6. Sdferr says:

    Oh, listen, angel voices singing ooooo-oooo- horseshite.

  7. Sdferr says:

    Is that Gary Sinese narrating?

  8. Rob Crawford says:

    Is that Gary Sinese narrating?

    I’m not watching it (about to head to bed), but I hope so.

  9. urthshu says:

    what if he dies mid speech?

    Stop teasing us!!!!

  10. happyfeet says:

    God Cindy she is so teh awesome.

  11. urthshu says:

    OT while we’re waiting for Cindy’s bit:

    WTF is O doing by leading the attacks on Sarah? Is Biden in some remedial debate camp or something? Its like the worst tactical error he can make….

  12. Is Palin flashing some cleavage? Yow.

  13. urthshu says:

    Waitasec –
    You’re already watching Cindy?
    fkn delay…

  14. dre says:

    The left hates them for over population of republicans.

  15. dre says:

    You go Grrl

  16. flan says:

    You know what would be surprise? If they brought out his old VC jailer, the one who endorsed him. Well, maybe it’s not such a good idea, but it would be a surprise.

  17. Topsecretk9 says:

    Is Biden in some remedial debate camp or something?

    He’s busy praising her and McCain every chance he can. It’s actually been kind of sweet.

  18. happyfeet says:

    Cindy talked about schools but she forgot about the pron problem. That has to be a dig at Romney I think.

  19. B Moe says:

    Good God, somebody needs to get some coffee to the Xcel Center fucking quick or half the audience is going to be snoozing.

  20. C Smith says:

    Some flat, flat, flat speakers tonight.
    Cindy McCain’s bio pic was informative, and she’s been flopping about thus far, but appears to be waking up, talking about Palin.

  21. Bob Reed says:

    Don’t expect much excitement or soaring rhetoric out if Mav…

    Ya gotta listen for the content…He’s kinda like a latter day Harry Truman; no bullshit, no excuses, just…just…just…Git-er-done…

    It’s kinda like a soft spoken intensity; like when you walk over to a bar loudmouth whose pushin’ smaller guys around and, speaking in a low hushed voice, tell him that in no uncertain terms how if he don’t quit-you’re gonna whip his ass!

    And if he doesn’t caease and desist-YOU DO IT!!!

  22. happyfeet says:

    Just a little little bit of the hockey mom thing goes a long way I think. For some reason it makes me picture her with a can of Chunky soup. I blame tv.

  23. B Moe says:

    You gotta have a breakfast, happyfeet. Margie insists.

  24. Sdferr says:

    Ooof, this is not the thing, I don’t think. Or boo. Hiss. This just hasn’t a damn thing to do with governing the country.

  25. happyfeet says:

    Yes! A lot like that. Hey but this really has killed the how many houses thing hasn’t it? How did that work exactly?

  26. flan says:

    Cindy likes kids. I never get that impression from Hillary.

  27. Sdferr says:

    Ask thor that one hf. I wasn’t paying enough attention to catch it about the houses but I’m sure t has it down. And down. Down some more.

  28. urthshu says:

    >>
    He’s busy praising her and McCain every chance he can. It’s actually been kind of sweet.

    Ahh…The angle is going to be gentlemanly, then. “Sorry to inform you, little lady, but this is the big dogs….”

    She’ll rip out his spleen.

  29. Sdferr says:

    Cindy doesn’t have the conviction of a speaker saying this stuff as she makes it up, but just has it on a screen to read real quick. She wants to believe it all, I’ll bet, but it is reading after all.

  30. dre says:

    “Comment by Sdferr on 9/4 @ 7:55 pm #

    Cindy doesn’t have the conviction of a speaker ”

    She sounds like a Darfur advocate.

  31. happyfeet says:

    We could have used a little Ron Silver I think. Or Mamet if he was for real.

  32. urthshu says:

    ok time for some rooibos

  33. B Moe says:

    These people need a damn stage manager to keep the show rolling. They have no sense of timing at all. Part of what made last night so powerful was Rudy whipping up the crowd and then Sarah coming out immediately and maintaining the energy level.

  34. Sdferr says:

    It gives ’em time to demonstrate that classic republican bad rythmn, BMoe.

  35. dre says:

    “Comment by B Moe on 9/4 @ 8:01 pm #

    These people need a damn stage manager to keep the show rolling.”

    The fighter pilot smells victory and is slowly circling in.

  36. happyfeet says:

    NPR actually reached into Cindy’s speech and produced a dissertation on Democrat fiscal prudence. It was a little forced, but dazzling propaganda really.

  37. psycho... says:

    This TV show about how voting for Palin gets you McCain isn’t as good as that other one.

  38. B Moe says:

    What do Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama have in common?

    They both want to be charitable with Cindy McCain’s money.

  39. McCain better bring it. I wonder it Teddy Roosevelt overshadowed William McKinley at the 1900 convention? (If there was a convetion?)

  40. Darleen says:

    B Moe

    I think the hurricane tossed everyone off the script. Indeed, the Palin video was supposed to run last night.

  41. flan says:

    Cindy is nice. She adopted those kids.

  42. Sdferr says:

    There really is a huge world of possibilities for making propaganda with a radio.

    This voiceover guy is that actor with the really bad acne scars.

  43. urthshu says:

    Even with Gustav tying up the MSM and making for a sloppy convention, McCain/Palin have crushed O’s lead. And they aren’t done yet.

    w00t!

  44. urthshu says:

    43 –
    Olmos is a Dem. This isn’t him.

  45. happyfeet says:

    This sounds like an effing obituary.

  46. B Moe says:

    All right, now this is an intro.

  47. Pablo says:

    Is that Gary Sinese narrating?

    Jon Voight, I believe.

  48. urthshu says:

    Orange tie = “PUMAs welcome”

  49. RTO Trainer says:

    I don’t know the voiceover guy’s name, but he’s from Oklahoma. He did a magnificent Oklahoma:Native America documentary several years ago for OETA.

  50. Jim in KC says:

    SI-I know for sure there was a Democratic convention in 1900 because it was in Kansas City. The convention hall burned down in April and was rebuilt in 90 days to be ready. So I assume the Republicans had one, too.

    Now, it takes us 30 years to build a bridge.

  51. urthshu says:

    52 –
    Thank Jimmuh for EPA impact statements, I guess

  52. Some sneaks unfurled an anti-McCain banner–is that what that was?

  53. dre says:

    Moveon crowd ADD are here

  54. B Moe says:

    Why do they keep flashing those moron protesters?

  55. Pablo says:

    7 kids! That’s like twelve between them! More than houses!

  56. urthshu says:

    Yup
    “You can’t win an occupation”

    He waved. There’s some more in the nosebleeds

  57. B Moe says:

    “You can’t win an occupation”

    That passes for heavy if you have the IQ of a hummingbird.

  58. RTO Trainer says:

    Heavy if you’ve never cracked a history book in your life.

  59. dre says:

    code fink

  60. RTO Trainer says:

    WHAAAH! They took my morronic banner away!

  61. B Moe says:

    Jesus Christ, do they have any security at all there?

  62. Topsecretk9 says:

    I see a protester tard is doing the O! proud.

  63. RTO Trainer says:

    Cool. A radio reference!

  64. Inspector Callahan says:

    Ground noise and static!!!

    Woo Hoo!!

    Harry

  65. Inspector Callahan says:

    Obviously the nutters got nothing, or they wouldn’t by trying to interrupt.

    Harry

  66. Sdferr says:

    She’s worked with her hands and nose, and knows…

  67. Log Cabin says:

    Three Words:
    Crest White Strips

  68. happyfeet says:

    Ha! I heard that too Sdferr –

    He needs to make a point though. Something newsy.

  69. Topsecretk9 says:

    You know the lefty protesters really look like raving lunatics not the brave warriors they think they appear.

  70. happyfeet says:

    Something about oil I think.

  71. Dan Collins says:

    Iraq. He scored there.

  72. I heard that the protesters are mostly Ron Paul delegates. Don’t know if that’s true.

  73. happyfeet says:

    He didn’t credit Bush for the surge. We can talk about this later.

  74. Jim in KC says:

    I doubt the Code Pinkie was a Paulite.

  75. Dan Collins says:

    This speech is dusty.

  76. Brendan says:

    Is that an onion tied to his belt?

  77. happyfeet says:

    He’s making me remember how I feel about him. In my heart.

  78. B Moe says:

    Corporate welfare to oil companies?

  79. Topsecretk9 says:

    This speech is dusty.

    Ack. Cabbage farts.

  80. happyfeet says:

    Yup, B Moe.

  81. urthshu says:

    interesting speech so far. its kind of a pivoting move, setting the stage for the debates, i think

  82. Log Cabin says:

    True dat, Dan. It’s ok, but a kind of wandering laundry list. Don’t we hear this often enough? Just promise to kill terrorists and cut spending, Johnny, and we’ll call it a day.

  83. Sdferr says:

    He has a frequent (justifiable) propensity to lapse into sadness at a moments notice, probably due to the awful things he has seen human beings do, I think.

  84. happyfeet says:

    He needs to come back around to oil.

  85. JHoward says:

    Politics is depressing. Is this really all we have?

  86. Dan Collins says:

    Yeah, LC, he should have done just that. Short and sweet would have been right.

    This delivery isn’t very mavericky.

  87. urthshu says:

    no really I think he’s not talking to us but centrists so much

  88. Inspector Callahan says:

    Personally, I think this is a smart speech. Palin came out on the attack yesterday, he’s softening up to show his independence.

    If it works, I’m all for it.

    Harry

  89. happyfeet says:

    I want many many bureaucrats standing between me and this man.

  90. RTO Trainer says:

    I think he thinks he’s still got to convince everyone that he’s a conservative.

  91. JHoward says:

    Booo! Yaaa! What is this, T-ball?

  92. B Moe says:

    At least he understands that tax breaks are what keeps business here. I don’t think Barrack will ever get a grip on that.

  93. Dan Collins says:

    This is too victimy.

  94. Dan Collins says:

    We got it so bad? Geez.

  95. RTO Trainer says:

    I did enjoy the promise to make the porkers famous.

  96. Sdferr says:

    Thing is, he’s never run a business. It’s too abstract a thing to him. He knows he’s supposed to like them, but they are just too distant. So he finds it easy to run down greatly successful businesses he doesn’t understand, like big oil, big pharma, etc.

  97. happyfeet says:

    He really really needs to haul his heroic ass back around to oil I think.

  98. Dan Collins says:

    I can’t wait to retrain for a green collar job.

  99. B Moe says:

    I don’t think Piper trusts him. At all.

  100. Dan Collins says:

    Never mind. I’m in the education biz.

  101. JHoward says:

    So why couldn’t we have run a Mormon?

  102. JHoward says:

    Or another actor? Worked really well last time.

  103. Dan Collins says:

    NOW he’s going for Obama.

  104. happyfeet says:

    He needs to directly answer the won’t follow Osama to his cave thing too.

  105. Dan Collins says:

    There you go.

  106. JHoward says:

    Tell me you rehearsed this speech a few times, John.

  107. B Moe says:

    So why couldn’t we have run a Mormon?

    It would have cost too much to clean up the mess when nishfong’s head exploded.

  108. Sdferr says:

    God I hope that competition thing isn’t just a slogan he’s been taught to repeat, but something he actually understands. But if he’s talking about giving it to people as President, he doesn’t get it.

  109. Dan Collins says:

    It’s not that he won’t, it’s just that he’s going to use a flamethrower instead of a Bowie knife, and that’s because he’s a coward who doesn’t care about the planet.

  110. Sdferr says:

    Now, drill baby drill.

  111. happyfeet says:

    You got it before I did Dan. I feel 100% better.

  112. Inspector Callahan says:

    happyfeet,

    He’s back on oil…

    Harry

  113. RTO Trainer says:

    Oklahoma’s always had a working well on the captiol grounds.

  114. JHoward says:

    Even if you didn’t, and darned if you didn’t.

  115. Dan Collins says:

    He just gave the Saudis notice.

  116. Sdferr says:

    But he needs to go back to drilling again and again. More drilling, less bullshite.

  117. urthshu says:

    So why couldn’t we have run a Mormon?

    B/c passing a polygamy amendment is a backdoor to gay marriage?

  118. Dan Collins says:

    Maybe he plans on buying offsets for Osama’s charry corpse.

  119. JHoward says:

    It would have cost too much to clean up the mess when nishfong’s head exploded.

    Yeah, but imagine the hits. Woulda blown all the page footers right off the Intertubes.

  120. Dan Collins says:

    Serving notice to Russia and Iran. I can dig that.

  121. B Moe says:

    I wonder if they are having trouble with the telepromper again, apparently it was a mess last night.

  122. JHoward says:

    I mean, they had 24 hours to fix the teleprompters…

    Oh wait, he just went after Russia. I may have to shut the heck up. Go John; freaking do it, man.

  123. Sdferr says:

    This is good. Putin was challenging US ships presence in the Black Sea just yesterday.

  124. Dan Collins says:

    Putin’s in the tank for Obammy.

  125. Dan Collins says:

    That’s because we precipitated the Georgia war to get McCain elected.

  126. happyfeet says:

    He’s likeable enough.

  127. Pablo says:

    I think he’s doing as well as could be expected. Sarah and Cindy sitting together is just a bonus.

  128. Dan Collins says:

    Syria wants Obammy. So does Iran. So do Hamas.

    It’s because they’ve got our best interests at heart.

  129. JHoward says:

    A gorgeous line on war’s terror. Wow. Saving the really good stuff for last, John.

    One thing’s for certain, I’d watch SOTU speeches if JMc gave ’em. And of these two, only if JMc gave em.

  130. MC says:

    Folks, he knows the world like Tiger Woods knows golf.

  131. Inspector Callahan says:

    OK, my b/s meter just redlined.

    Does anyone really think he remembers, at 5 years old, the car that pulled up in front of his house calling his father back to service?

    Oh well…

    Harry

  132. Dan Collins says:

    This country needs a laxative.

  133. JHoward says:

    John, you start talking laissez faire and I swear I’m driving down to AZ to kiss you. Please?!

  134. B Moe says:

    He is selling me so far. Only said a couple of things I didn’t like so far, I can live with that.

  135. Inspector Callahan says:

    He speaks like Reagan compared to W…

    Harry

  136. Sdferr says:

    He’s mistaken if he believes they do business in Washington. That’s not what they do, and really, never will.

  137. Dan Collins says:

    I think the guvmint ought to have to use SOx. That’ll teach ’em.

  138. RTO Trainer says:

    Now he’s trying to make me cry.

  139. urthshu says:

    133 –
    its possible. Unlike some of the Hillary stories.

  140. Sdferr says:

    Bud Day.

  141. B Moe says:

    Does anyone really think he remembers, at 5 years old, the car that pulled up in front of his house calling his father back to service?

    That seems possible, a car takes your Daddy away when you are five and he don’t come back until you are nine it seems like it would stick with you.

  142. RTO Trainer says:

    COL Day is there.

  143. lee says:

    I got a little misty myself RTO

  144. happyfeet says:

    If he did climate change I missed it. That’s good.

  145. Dan Collins says:

    Sarah’s taking a hockey stick to climate change.

  146. B Moe says:

    He’s mistaken if he believes they do business in Washington. That’s not what they do, and really, never will.

    They do public service.

    Those of you raised on farms know what service means.

  147. RTO Trainer says:

    I remember pretty clearly my Dad being gone for two years of my life between 5 and 7 years old. Dad was investigating the Wounded Knee/AIM thing.

  148. willowgerl says:

    Well, it’s come down to The Hero vs. The Zero. Kind of a dusty delivery, but the content is clear and he is on message.

  149. JHoward says:

    Wow, this part was unexpected. A genuineness O! can’t even spell. Come on, country, think.

  150. RTO Trainer says:

    hf @146. he hasn’t. I’ve been listening for it.

  151. happyfeet says:

    That gets me fired up, RTO.

  152. Dan Collins says:

    Ouch.

  153. JHoward says:

    Oh yeah! Wham! Down goes the Messiah.

  154. dre says:

    “the Anointed” jive is great

  155. Dan Collins says:

    Annointed. That’s pointed.

  156. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – As a vet nyself, I can’t give him enough gratitude for his sacrifices.

    – But I usually cringe when he starts the “Nam story”, but he had a good lube to wrap it up with tonight.

    – and a good followup.

  157. RTO Trainer says:

    Service and sacrifice are a choice frrely made and not something to be mandated by government? What a concept.

  158. RTO Trainer says:

    A call to service then a call to arms. I love it.

  159. Dan Collins says:

    A rousing peroration.

  160. JHoward says:

    What a finish. Right out of the park.

  161. Sdferr says:

    Wow. Wow wowwie wow.

  162. happyfeet says:

    He seems to understand that it’s a big responsibility he’s asking to be entrusted with. I never get that sense from Baracky.

  163. JHoward says:

    Bedlam.

  164. dre says:

    “We make History”

    You go Grrl

  165. Dan Collins says:

    The something that was missing from Obama? Gratitude.

  166. B Moe says:

    Get off, Granpa!

    We never hide from history, we make history!

    Fucking A!

  167. Inspector Callahan says:

    All in all – Not bad – not bad at all.

    Big & Rich – raising McCain. Pretty cool stuff…

    Harry

  168. Log Cabin says:

    Meh. Not awesome, not horrible.

    I am voting against the socialist and for Sarah. I guess I will take Johnny Mac, too.

  169. RTO Trainer says:

    I like this Raising McCain song. Is that Big and Rich singing it?

  170. willowgerl says:

    Holy shit. The Old Man did good. I mean GOOD.

  171. urthshu says:

    Not bad, not bad at all.

    Night, all.

  172. JHoward says:

    Damn. There are a few real folks left.

  173. happyfeet says:

    E.J. Dionne heard a “wage insurance proposal” in the speech.

  174. B Moe says:

    164 and 167
    Notice how at the RNC the chants were always USA USA, and at the DNC they are always O Ba Ma O Ba Ma.

    Speaks volumes if you are smart enough to listen.

  175. dre says:

    Drop BALLOONS NOW

  176. Dan Collins says:

    I’m with you, Log Cabin.

    Still, it will stick to the ribs more than Baracky’s, I’m betting.

  177. lee says:

    I think in this case, nishi may be wrong…he doesn’t look close to death to me.

    Did you see his 96 y.o. mom? WOW! She looks like his sister!

  178. MC says:

    There is a distinct contrast in love of country (and I don’t mean crass statism – I mean the ideals of who we are) and the love of self.

    I think we witnessed such a contrast tonight.

    Contrast it to the styrofoam of Denver.

  179. Dan Collins says:

    Plus, you know, it plays to my natural belligerence towards fuckwad states.

    Bwahahahah, Barracuda!

  180. lee says:

    Heh, Barracuda.

  181. RTO Trainer says:

    And now Barracuda. Cool.

  182. dre says:

    Heart Barracuda?

  183. willowgerl says:

    Barracuda…I was waiting for that!

  184. Dan Collins says:

    Now, Baracky will have to answer by adopting “Dog and Butterfly.”

  185. JHoward says:

    Barracuda playing. Barry-cuda. [big smile].

  186. Dan Collins says:

    Or “Magic Man.”

  187. JHoward says:

    Way, way better than expected. They’re on the hunt.

  188. Log Cabin says:

    More Piper! More Piper! I love that kid. I am a pushover for cute munchkins with personality.

    Woot! Barracuda!

    Does Cindy McCain look a lot like Linda Evans from “Dynasty”?

  189. happyfeet says:

    He will be a good president I think. NPR is upset he didn’t mention Bush enough. They find this very perplexing.

  190. MC says:

    How about a game of one-on-one between Sarah and 0! – Haven’t they shown him shortin’ some hoops? (I left the typo in :) )…

  191. dre says:

    The fighter pilot is zeroing on the Community Organizer™

  192. Dan Collins says:

    Log Cabin, you are the anti-Sully. At the moment, I can’t think of a higher compliment.

  193. dantealiegri says:

    I’m with the worry about him saying “oh evil big oil” etc…
    and historically his antagonism of business has worried me.

    But the one thing I heard him say that actually made me almost happy was that we need to lower our tax on businesses – which is the second highest in all of the industrialized nations.

    Also the “I’ve been an imperfect servant, but always a servant” was a good line, very humble.

  194. happyfeet says:

    NPR says the convention didn’t have a distinctive chant. I guess they couldn’t hear the USAs from their booth. Or they don’t really listen.

  195. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I think he did better than he could have because his heart was in it, and its real.

  196. Jeff G. says:

    YEZBUTHOW MANY HOUSSES DO HE HAVE WINGNUTS DOES HE EVEN KNOW (CAN COUNT)!1!!eventy!1!

  197. Pablo says:

    Made for the western pools – silly, silly fools!

  198. Dan Collins says:

    Bust a move, Johnny. I’ll still respect you in the morning.

  199. Log Cabin says:

    I pictured Auntie Sully for a second… terrible thought! Surreal and disgusting.

    Thanks, Dano. I wish I were half as articulate as most of y’all here.

  200. Dread Cthulhu says:

    I’m not quite at “home-run,” but definately a hard hit triple.

    He went places I didn’t expect and did it well. He’s got great genes — he doesn’t look like he even in the same zip code as death’s doorstep.

    Juan is a bit of a downer, but there’s gotta be one in every group… over on MSNBC, they’ve lost Andrea — maybe the needed someone not out of the Lullabye League to work the floor.

    But, geez, Kool and the Gang?

  201. Dan Collins says:

    I think they should have played “Roller Coaster of Love.”

  202. Log Cabin says:

    Juan Williams is giving Johnny Mac a tongue bath right now on Fox.

    I am so confused!

  203. I guess they couldn’t hear the USAs from their booth.

    Or the “Drill, Baby, Drill!”, or the “ZERO! ZERO! ZERO!”

  204. RTO Trainer says:

    heh

    McCain’s got big white balls. With stars on them.

  205. Jeff G. says:

    ISAID HOW MANY OF HOUSSES RETHUGLICANWINGNUTS OF EVIL? CANT HE COUNT LOLLOLLOL!

  206. lee says:

    Jaun Cloe: “He won’t talk about why we are in this war”

    Give me a break. Does anyone really not know McCains position on the war?

  207. Sdferr says:

    That was a very nice triple gainer you did with that hockey stick, Sarah and climate change back there Dan. I didn’t want to let it go unremarked.

  208. Dread Cthulhu says:

    I switched over after he said he was happy about schools to see what the sour-faces on MSNBC had to say.

  209. Dan Collins says:

    Oh, Jesus. Jeff’s channelling the nishbot. Only with better spelling, grammar and syntax.

  210. Jeff G. says:

    STEPFORD BARBIE AND STEPFORD CINDY THE SLUT AND THE MUTT NICE PARTY YOU HAVE THEIR NO SERIOUSNESS! HOUSSES!

  211. Dan Collins says:

    Thanks, Sdferr.

  212. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Someone needs to get Andrea Mitchell stilts or one of those orange flags they put on little kiddie bicycles — they’ve lost her to the balloon drop.

  213. lee says:

    Thanks, Dano. I wish I were half as articulate as most of y’all here.

    Hey, don’t be oppressing ME buddy!

  214. Dan Collins says:

    You didn’t ban them, did you, Jeff?

  215. RTO Trainer says:

    That was poor planning. Get everyone riled up and then ask tehm to switch to a prayerful attitude.

    But…there it is…Republicans can do it.

  216. happyfeet says:

    Juan Williams hasn’t had any NPR presence for the convention coverage.

  217. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Someone slap JeffG across the head… or call a voudoun priest for an excorcism… that is just sooooooooooo not right.

    Out, out Damned Nishi-demon.

  218. Cepik says:

    Dan (-187-)

    Good one, I am cleaning diet pepsi from the keyboard as I type

  219. Sdferr says:

    Pays better at Fox, I think.

  220. Topsecretk9 says:

    Juan Williams went all goo goo ga ga over it – and CNN (I think) said it was arguably more substantive than Obama’s speech – so if he was to speak to the middle undecideds I guess he did it

  221. happyfeet says:

    thor said he was going out for drinks tonight

  222. Log Cabin says:

    Rove was honest, called it a “workmanlike” speech. Dare I switch over to listen to The Monster Society of Evil on MSNBC?

  223. Dan Collins says:

    I would have looked for a different expression than “having completed its business.”

  224. Pablo says:

    I just flipped over to MSNBC and Olby looks pissed.

  225. Dan Collins says:

    Heh. Sly.

  226. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “thor said he was going out for drinks tonight”

    – Maybe we’ll get lucky, and he’ll fall asleep face down in a fishbowl Margarita.

  227. Olberdouche always looks like he needs a bowl of stewed prunes.

    Once again, impressed by the professionalism and integrity of the C-SPAN team.

  228. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Had to leave MSNBC — the whiny “Divided we fail” commercial finally did it.

    CNN is doing interviews in Times Square, in front of a marquee for “Mamma Mia”

  229. lee says:

    Oh. Juan Williams?

    I thought it was Cole. Oops.

  230. happyfeet says:

    He talked about drilling! People forget how seismic it is for McCain to talk about drilling I think.

  231. Sdferr says:

    I have to confess, to myself if no-one else, I’m emotionally involved with Sarah Palin. I don’t think I can judge her dispassionately for the time being. Just so we know, if I over-advocate, I don’t think I can help it.

  232. Darleen says:

    John McCain is very uncomfortable making speeches, so color me pleased that he reached down and pulled off a very good speech.

    Via husband, Eric, the non-politics person in the house: he was impressed.

    Oh…and on moment of Eric being pissed …the talking heads are sneering that McCain only mentioned Bush by name once..but Eric said “No he didn’t say it out loud, but it was IMPLICIT”

    I get the feeling the talking heads are sorely disappointed that McCain isn’t letting Obama frame this election cycle.

  233. MC says:

    Feets – Seismic drilling could maybe produce more oil mebbe thinkin’.

  234. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    #234

    – How can you not love a gal who can field dress a moose, and debate undress a Biden.

  235. Pablo says:

    McCain’s got big white balls. With stars on them.

    Big as a baby’s head, RTO.

  236. Darleen says:

    We were watching Fox … less annoying than earlier this eveing with Wolf and Carville.

    Re Carville… Good friggin lord, I need a cardboard cutout of that man to stand on my lawn at Halloween amongst the stryofoam tombstones.

  237. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Gergen looks like he needs a bowl of fiber… Compliments the tone of McCain’s speech, but wheezes on the substance of the speech — wants more policy, (WHY? The speech is not there to put folks to sleep…)

    Carl Bernstein looks like he just crawled out of a Shoggoth’s gullet… still whining about McCain not picking someone from the other side of the aisle to be his running-mate. Lord — let a fella take down a President and they think they’re important and stuff.

  238. lee says:

    If McCain would have trashed GW it would have ruined it for me.

    I would have had to reconsider again whether I would vote for him .

  239. Pretty sure that Carville’s mom ate crayfish out of the waste stream of a petrochemical plant while she was carrying him, Darleen.

  240. happyfeet says:

    Gergen is a truly useless person I think. He’s like David Brooks with more charisma.

  241. Dread Cthulhu says:

    BBH: “- How can you not love a gal who can field dress a moose, and debate undress a Biden.”

    WHY would you put the image of an undressed Biden in my fore-brain, BBH??

    Lord, get me the Lysol and the wire brush… that picture has *GOTTA* go.

  242. still whining about McCain not picking someone from the other side of the aisle to be his running-mate.

    I think Obama should dump Biden and replace him with Newt Gingrich.

  243. SarahW says:

    I missed the end. I see it got better. I was folding socks watching it and felt kind of old and also felt like dusting him.

    I took my task in the other room because I was wishing for Guliani out loud.

    I’ll have to catch the end in the replays later.

  244. Pablo says:

    Hey, MSNBC is running an ad for a National Geographic Channel program: Saving Michael Vick’s dogs.

    Like thor needed another bonk on the head.

  245. SarahW says:

    It’s not like I’m not going to vote for him or anything.

  246. Dread Cthulhu says:

    SBP: “I think Obama should dump Biden and replace him with Newt Gingrich.”

    Sure… and Mi-Go might fly out my… well, non-anthropomorphic hind-quarters.

    These sort of things are not meant to be reciprocated.

  247. Sdferr says:

    SarahW, McCain’s last minute of speechifying was something I’ve never seen him do, all worked up with rythmn and shouting over the cheers of the crowd. Very stirring sort of stuff (but brief).

  248. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Megan Kelly is down on the floor (like that turn of phrase, huh guys) working it hard. (that one isn’t bad either)

  249. Yeah, Dread, it’s funny how “crossing the aisle” and “compromising” always goes one way, innit?

  250. TmjUtah says:

    Watched it on CSPAN.

    Republicans have no rhythm. Which means if I go back I don’t have to change anything.

    I think that McCain has a huge blind spot where “business” is supposed to be… but I think that Palin and Romney are going to fill the blanks.

    I’m happy he is willing to work across the aisle. I just wish he’d staked out constitutional limits and conservative values as his guide – not “solving problems”. Sometimes it take years for those ‘solutions’ to really get up to their horrifying levels of unintended consequences…

    He’s got substance and character and balls.

    Mr. Obama didn’t seem to find any of that in Chicago.

    Better than I expected. McCain is the better choice.

  251. dre says:

    “Gergen is a truly useless person I think. He’s like David Brooks with more charisma.”
    Aren’t they both coneheads?

  252. Dread Cthulhu says:

    SBP: “Yeah, Dread, it’s funny how “crossing the aisle” and “compromising” always goes one way, innit?”

    I had to give up on MSNBC, what with the “Divided we fail” commercial — the whole “let’s compromise — we’ll do it the liberals’ way and the rest of you can go screw” sort of compromise leaves me cold and clammy.

  253. Sdferr says:

    I once had hope for Brooks. Never did for Gergen.

  254. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Bernstein looks like he ate a small European village.

  255. thor says:

    #

    Comment by Log Cabin on 9/4 @ 9:11 pm #

    More Piper! More Piper! I love that kid. I am a pushover for cute munchkins with personality.

    Woot! Barracuda!

    Does Cindy McCain look a lot like Linda Evans from “Dynasty”?

    At a distance I’m seeing more of the Platinum Princess Seka in that movie Johnny Wad: Private Dick.

  256. Darleen says:

    Oooo!!! RNC coverage on Fox

    I spot BLACK PEOPLE in the audience!! And a black jazz band on the stage!

    Those oreos!

  257. B Moe says:

    Megan Kelly is down on the floor … working it hard.

    I am going to need a few minutes to compose myself, now.

  258. ThomasD says:

    Take all the time you need. Just, as Heinlein said about writing, wash your hands afterward.

  259. geoffb says:

    John has seen Evil.
    John has looked Evil in the eye.
    Up close and personal like.
    John don’t like Evil.
    John loves America.
    John will defend America from Evil.

    Barack and Joe seem to think America is Evil and want to save the world from it.

    Well that’s enough, I’ll take John with that big side order of Sarah.

  260. Godzilla says:

    Bernstein looks like he ate a small European village.

    Hey, it happens. Don’t be so judgmental.

  261. thor says:

    #

    Comment by Darleen on 9/4 @ 10:10 pm #

    Oooo!!! RNC coverage on Fox

    I spot BLACK PEOPLE in the audience!! And a black jazz band on the stage!

    Those oreos!

    Props to the Republicans for letting black jazz musicians also sit in the audience, eh Darleen. Subversives most ’em musicians are, not to mention drug addicts.

  262. B Moe says:

    One of the professional idiots on MSNBC, may have been Stephanie Miller, I can’t keep them straight, declared that Palin was recruited strictly for non college educated women.

  263. mojo says:

    “Lawd, the pitiful screams
    of all them college-educated wimmins…”
    — Frank Zappa , “The Illinois Enema Bandit”

  264. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “…not to mention drug addicts.”

    – Yeh, like whuts sup wid dat duuude….cause like, ever’body knowz dah Dems gots better drug addicts….duuuude.

  265. thor says:

    #

    Comment by B Moe on 9/4 @ 10:20 pm #

    One of the professional idiots on MSNBC, may have been Stephanie Miller, I can’t keep them straight, declared that Palin was recruited strictly for non college educated women.

    Uneducated women, yep, and incarcerated males, yep, yep, I see the strategy.

  266. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “…Palin was recruited strictly for non college educated women.”

    – As a wild cry of “Why her, <and not ME!!!</i?, rises from the throats of the dust filled vagina clan.

  267. thor says:

    My woman has her Masters. Not a fan of Palin, true dat.

  268. Sam Hall says:

    thor, are you ever coherent? I assume you must sober up sometime.

  269. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – thor, what are you doing here. You were supposed to drown in your fishbowl margurita.

  270. Danger says:

    I think that the instances of inappropriate timing of cheers during the speach were actually covers of moonbat protesters that crept out of their holes trying to interupt (or perhaps promote the latest in pink fashions;)

  271. thor says:

    Did McCain go down like a couple of Ambiens? Where’s the woofers?

    We called it an early night, since we’re doing the same tomorrow night.

  272. geoffb says:

    My wife got her Masters, from UofM, back in the 80s and she likes Sarah, alot.

  273. MARY F’IN FALLIN???!!!!

  274. sorry, I’m watchin’ the replay on C-span 2. Mary “I can’t even begin to think of a nickname to describe her craziness” Fallin.

    I guess they planned this well, soooo many losers leading up to McCain.

  275. Jeff G. says:

    I’m going to watch a horror movie, Rogue, and drink. If my kid lets me, I’ll sleep in late.

    For the debates I’ll try to have this coveritlive thing going — but I also might try to live stream the things with director’s commentary if I can figure out how.

  276. Topsecretk9 says:

    Sidney Blumenthal’s spawn hassles Mccain 96 yo old mother at convention wondering if Bristol Palin would have benefitted more sex education and posts it on Huffington Post

    If you want the senior vote and boome vote – email this around

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPek4JgxdJs&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccains-mother-and-daughter-abused.html

  277. I don’t care for the coveritlive thing myself. for one, If I can’t be there at the beginning it’s really annoying to try to catch up cause it always skips to the bottom when someone posts so I lose my place and then I just swear and wait till whatever it is is over and read it.

  278. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Look at the upside maggie. thor will be able to puke into the thread instantly.

    – 12 buckets. NO WAITING!!!!!

  279. but I’ll read it like two days later and it will be all stale.

    RTO suggests Mary “Follow the Yellow Brick Road” Fallin. I would have gone with Mary “Man-Chino” Fallin, but the story that goes with it is kinda long.

  280. The Lost Dog says:

    Pretty good, for McCain. Even very good.

    But he needs to come down with both feet on “Drll! Drill! Drill!” and put the blame for the weak economy where it belongs – on the Dema for refusing to let anyone drill.

    Just my pet peeve. Thw moment the Congress sends a bill to the White House, prices all across the board are going to start coming down, and as the new oil starts pumping, they will probably come down even more.

    But the Dems are ditheribg because Reid and Pelosi know it is killing the economy, and don’t want anything to interfere with their load of bullshit that Bush has ruined the economy. Fuck the little man! They see more POWER to glom onto with this little charade. And if you think it’s bad now, wait and see what happens to the economy if O! get’s elected with a Dem congress. Then we can all know what a Dem clusterfuck feels like…

    Asshats! My God! What kind of morons elect these people?

  281. happyfeet! it’s Lindsey Graham!!!!

  282. oh like Lindsey knows anything about “straight talk”

    yeah, I went there for ya, HF

  283. Victor. says:

    Ever since Sara Palin was announced, strange things have been going on at CNN. They seem to be struggling with their ideology- openly at times.

    I’ve been watching the Convention coverage almost exclusively on CNN- it’s in HD and my TV likes it better. Anyway, what I thought might have been a “one-off” last night following the Palin speech has clearly carried over into tonight’s McCain coverage.

    I was impressed with Anderson Copper’s fast, pointed retorts of some of the more obvious one-sided critiques of McCain offered by some of his fellow panel members.

    Copper’s confident rebuttals seemed to start this chain reaction where the John King fellow/robot would join in by adding something positive about McCain, and then one of the female panelist (sorry I don’t know her name) would eagerly add a Palin point into the mix.

    These people at CNN are really good at what they do, and any move back towards the center- towards true journalism- and away from the narrative model of news making is much welcomed.

  284. Cindy is a little jarring. she was rambling about I don’t know what and then “THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET OUT OF OUR WAY” and here I was thinking the hair tonight made her softer.

  285. LINCOLN SHOULD NOT DANCE!!!

    okay, maybe on Conan, that was funny.

    LINCOLN SHOULD NOT DANCE AT A CONVENTION!!!

  286. okay, “momma’s boy” just made me LOL

  287. Major John says:

    “Carl Bernstein looks like he just crawled out of a Shoggoth’s gullet”

    Thanks for that. Guess I can skip lunch with that image in mind … next you’ll be asking if we want some Fungi from Yuggoth on our pizza? Heh.

  288. jamrat says:

    Cindy McCain is a stunningly beautiful woman. And her video tribute was way impressive.

  289. BALLOONS!!!

    and, um, hd fireworks.

    McCain looks worried about something.

  290. probably thinking “how long do I have to stand up here looking like a doofus with nothing to do?”

    I know I do that during dead spots in staging, “where the heck should my hands be?” he doesn’t have as many options. I’m just sayin.

  291. those white balloons are pretty big. I’m waiting for them to start carrying people back to The Village.

    oh, i think they just got a cameraman.

  292. and can i just say that their gavel rawks! it’s way more intimidating than the Dems had. it gets it’s own stand and mic. awesome.

  293. David Warner says:

    “One of the professional idiots on MSNBC, may have been Stephanie Miller, I can’t keep them straight, declared that Palin was recruited strictly for non college educated women.”

    Yeah, she has no appeal to men. Gotta hand it to MSNBC, its hard to be condescending and blatantly stupid at the same time, but they pull it off time and again.

    I say we all e-mail her happyfeet’s classic:

    “Women want to be with her, men want to be her.”

  294. Timstigator says:

    T-shirt idea: “McCAIN, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!”

  295. David Warner says:

    “They seem to be struggling with their ideology- openly at times.”

    Or maybe Barry clued them in that the Republicans have been running against the media for 40 years and only lost when they took their eye of the ball and ran against Bill Clinton instead. And that peanut farmer thing, too. There was that.

  296. Jim in KC says:

    My woman has her Masters. Not a fan of Palin, true dat.

    Mine, too, and she is. Quandary, dat.

  297. Thor(not really) says:

    #270
    Comment by thor on 9/4 @ 10:32 pm #

    My woman has her Masters. Not a fan of Palin, true dat.

    They givin’ degrees to blowup dolls now?

  298. David Warner says:

    Check the photo for our buddy Herr Olberman here:

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/09/america-speaks.html

  299. Andrew the Noisy says:

    Hey, man, no wives. And no, he didn’t open up to that.

  300. Carin says:

    Did we ever get a final tally as to how many protester-idiots there were last night? I assumed that many of the spontaneous (and apparently ill-timed) chants were to cover up some code pinko.

  301. Carin says:

    Masters degree here. Mom of five. Palin supporter.

    I was thinking last night that the Palin hate really shows the cultural divide in our country. Sophisticated elites versus middle America. Those elites HATE middle America, and that’s why they hate Palin. In the very language of their criticism, you can see it. Small towns are good for antiquing and Bed and Breakfasts, but dear GOD you could never live in one. Unless, it’s – like – Ketchum or Traverse City, because they’ve got art galleries and coffee shops there. You know … civilization.

  302. Diana says:

    They’re not “sophistated”. They’re tourists with their tongues hanging out.

    Very much like thor.

  303. Salt Lick says:

    Those elites HATE middle America, and that’s why they hate Palin

    I’ll go you one better, Carin. They hate America. Period. America, a racist, “meanspirited country” where unchecked freedom produced a globally devastated ecology and inequitable distribution of wealth; where selfish, uncosmopolitan people “drive their SUV’s, eat as much as they want and keep their houses at 72 degrees;” where “typical white people” and “rich white men” horde wealth, refusing to “give up a piece of the pie so we can accomplish things like health care for all;” and worst of all, MAKE FRESH FRUIT EXHORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CHILDREN!

  304. Salt Lick says:

    My woman — BA from Oberlin. MA from Stanford. Has always made more money than me. Former liberal. Palin fan.

  305. B Moe says:

    I was thinking last night that the Palin hate really shows the cultural divide in our country. Sophisticated elites versus middle America. Those elites HATE middle America, and that’s why they hate Palin.

    It isn’t just hate, they don’t understand us at all, either. For all their talk about worldliness and multiculturalism, the are completely ignorant of the cultures of their fellow citizens outside their city limits. Witness the absolute mystification that the godbags aren’t outraged by Palin’s daughters pregnancy. The haven’t a clue what real Christians believe or how they behave.

    And before any trolls go ballistic, by real Christians I mean actual Christians, not the cartoons in some proggs head.

  306. The Lost Dog says:

    probably thinking “how long do I have to stand up here looking like a doofus with nothing to do?”

    I know I do that during dead spots in staging, “where the heck should my hands be?” he doesn’t have as many options. I’m just sayin.

    maggie,

    How cool would it have been if he grabbed his “package” through his pants and shook it’ while he whirled his other hand around his head like a bronc rider?

    Sorta Howard Dean-ish.

  307. Carin says:

    I think, though, they hate the caricature of middle America they’ve created in their head. They don’t honestly, really KNOW those types. A friend of mine lives in NYC, and she honestly doesn’t believe that anything of any cultural value exists outside of the Cosmopolitan US cities, or Europe. She -at times- has had to cover her surprise when I actually KNOW THINGS.

    People rely too much on cars, you see. She just walks down the block and gets her bagel, her coffee, and her groceries. SEE HOW EASY THAT IS? During her lunchbreak, she can stroll through the Met. She’s got all the nature she needs in Central Park.

    It is the superior way to live.

  308. Carin says:

    The irony, of course, is while they hate Palin for being a hick from no-where, if she were some sort of Eskimo artist, she’d be hailed and loved, and treated like an exotic flower. I think they’d use the words “authentic” and “earthy.”

  309. Slartibartfast says:

    My wife has a Bachelor’s in Finance and an MBA, and she loves Palin. She’s smarter than I am, and could be making more money, but only works part-time. Oh, and she’s the PTA treasurer. She is not yet the governor of Florida.

  310. Rob Crawford says:

    The irony, of course, is while they hate Palin for being a hick from no-where, if she were some sort of Eskimo artist, she’d be hailed and loved, and treated like an exotic flower. I think they’d use the words “authentic” and “earthy.”

    Only if she was a Marxist, a racist, or otherwise validated their viewpoints.

  311. ajacksonian says:

    Sen. McCain continues to be a troubling prospect on the concept of governing, to me at least. I do not want ‘government on my side’ – I want it to impartially put down laws that favor none over any other, and restrict the ability of those who would accumulate power against the common man. The federal government has failed at education policy and has made no progress in the ‘Johnny Can’t Read’ department since that book came out. That has not worked, this giving it to the federal government. ‘Being on my side’ has meant bigger government that is incapable of doing jobs set to it. I have some problems with his view on what to do to ‘reform government’ – somehow mass organization just doesn’t seem too conservative and people only go to that at times of extremes.

    I like his views on energy and the more customary views of society towards government – those are good themes and supported strongly by his VP pick and winners. He could run on those alone and start to recraft the political landscape. Lower taxes are good. Smaller government is better, less intrusive government better still, and government that that lets liberty fall equally amongst the populace like the rain from heavens is the best government. His VP may understand that better than he does, at this point. I honor his public service and deeply abide by his time at the Hanoi Hilton: there is courage beyond physical torture, and he has that. Life is unfair, and at some level he recognizes that government is not the answer to the unfairness of life. His honesty of recently coming forward to say that some of his positions have been based purely on politics is, actually, very, very good to hear and starts to explain much of his past record. In all a good man, though troubling figure as a politician who stands at a point where a shift from politics dictating culture to one of culture restraining politics stands within his field. An amazing performance over the past week by any politician or any person running for high office. If he shifts his campaign to move into that arena, then he will have taken the negative reason to vote for him, that of stopping Putin, to the positive of starting the process to exile politics and government from deciding what social power is.

    Because of his past record and admission of political expediency, he now must demonstrate that he will carry out that vision. If he sends Gov. Palin through the old ‘rust belt’ and throught Appalachia to tell her story on a local basis, over and over… then I will know what that message is. His actions and her qualities will stand above their speeches if they do that. I look forward to the next month or so to see if Sen. McCain realizes just what he has in his grasp.

    As asked earlier, amazingly TR was drafted at the 1900 convention and didn’t want the job of VP… it was pure machine politics of its day. He doesn’t go over that in his autobiography but looks at what happens when a VP is put in the position of becoming President. Make no mistake about TR’s coming in as a Progressive, but the last chapters then look back on what is good and bad about those policies he tried out in the Progressive realm. When we speak of TR the Progressive, we must also see TR the man who was President and who looked back on the goods and bads of those policies. So many point to the start, so few point to the finish, and it is his honesty in his faults and those of his outlook that make him a great man who was President.

  312. Darleen says:

    Salt Lick

    I respectfully disagree. Those with high self-regard in the exclusive enclaves in the finer parts of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco … don’t “hate” America. It’s that they see little use for nationalism. They are, in essense, Europeans. They long to have America more like Europe, where churches are really tourist museums, where “work ethic” gives way to “cradle to grave” Nannystatism. High unemployment and economic stagnation is a small price to pay for legislated 35 hr work weeks, strong anti-firing laws, and 35 y/o “children” still living with their parents. In Europe the “intellectual” is given a lot more social cache than in America and in Europe “class” is much more enforced. People like Sarah Palin, married to a :::gasp::: Innuit, and with parents who worked in elementary school, and John McCain who was in the military, just don’t exhibit the proper class backgrounds to be ALLOWED into the ruling class.

  313. Ric Locke says:

    Sophisticated elites versus middle America.

    Bingo, except you aren’t reaching far enough.

    Europeans hold elitism to be a virtue. It is the better-educated, richer, more-sophisticated who have the data and the means to identify and solve problems, and hicks from hicksville should simply sit back and enjoy the results.

    America was founded, and is still largely run, by people who rejected that principle in favor of a more distributed model of problem solving. Now, after a bit over two centuries of the Great Experiment, the results are in — the distributed model not only results in a more stable system, it yields something like one and a half times the wealth. This is an affront of epic proportions, and is the foundation of anti-Americanism. Our system works better than theirs, and there’s no way they will ever forgive that.

    It is also a direct challenge to Americans who consider themselves “elite” and wish to assume the direction of society on that basis. The tension is between those who wish to establish a European model (many, not all, of whom expect to be among the bosses when that happens) and those who want to continue using the decentralized system that has worked so well up to now. People who brag about how bright they are can be, usually correctly, assumed to be in favor of the elitist model, and end up not being trusted, for very good reasons. Whether or not they actually are Schmott Guys is irrelevant.

    The emblem of all that is the general dissing of George W. Bush. Based on his upbringing and parentage, there was no reason to expect that GWB would, as an adult, be anything other than a slightly less articulate John Kerry. Instead the man rejected his heritage and took up with them horrid Texans, and there is nothing that challenges Faith more directly than an apostate.

    Regards,
    Ric

  314. Darleen says:

    #312 Carin

    It is the superior way to live

    Until the power goes out.

    How long would your friend survive if there were no power for a week?

  315. Carin says:

    Darleen,
    I suppose then my friend could make her way over to my house. I’ve got a generator ;) I think NY is neat. I wouldn’t mind walking everywhere – I actually dislike having to drive everywhere. When on vacation, my rule is that we drive as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. Mackinaw Island is perfect (no cars allowed.)

    But, what my friend fails to understand is that some of those little people she turns her nose down on are actually often pretty interesting. The redneck on my lake gave me a tour, and informed me of all the nature/animals I’m surrounded by (we’ve got a visiting Bald Eagle and lake beavers!) Certainly the country has it’s dullards, but SO DO URBAN AREAS. Not EVERYONE who lives in NY is interesting. They need to get over themselves.

  316. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Carin: “People rely too much on cars, you see. She just walks down the block and gets her bagel, her coffee, and her groceries. SEE HOW EASY THAT IS? During her lunchbreak, she can stroll through the Met. She’s got all the nature she needs in Central Park.

    It is the superior way to live.”

    Said like someone who is unaware of what happens in NYC when there is a prolonged power-outage… or been mugged.

    Locally, we’ve had a grand problem with the natives of the capital city shooting one another, to which the gloriously Democratic mayor has applied a curfew, nevermind that the worst of the violence has occurred during daylight hours.

  317. Salt Lick says:

    Salt Lick

    I respectfully disagree. Those with high self-regard in the exclusive enclaves in the finer parts of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco … don’t “hate” America. It’s that they see little use for nationalism.

    I understand what you’re saying, Darleen, but I think it goes further than just wishing America was more like Europe. For example, why is it necessary for these elites to heap abuse upon our Founding Fathers and Mothers? Why the vociferous attacks on religion which, regardless of your belief or unbelief today, informed the doctrines by which this country was shaped? I think declaring the building’s foundation is rotten is more serious than saying let’s take the “Whites Only” sign off the bathroom door.

    I’ll admit my view is no doubt colored by having worked in academia the last 20 years, where I heard daily vitriol against this country. And I mean vitriol, not just the plaintive “why can’t a woman be more like a man?” I guess I’d analogize with the fact that most people think their spouses have room for improvement, but a minority grow to hate their spouses because of their imperfections — the kind of hate that excuses setting bombs at the Pentagon.

    Sorry to be rude, Darleen, but as usual I gotta go. It’s why I try to avoid anything but one-liners. Good talking with you.

  318. Matt, Esq. says:

    and can i just say that their gavel rawks! it’s way more intimidating than the Dems had.*

    The gavel was blessed by Chuck NOrris prior to the convention.

  319. The Lost Dog says:

    NYC? UGH!

    I’ve been going there for fifty years, and have to admit that it is way better since Doofy Dinkins left. When Dinkins was mayor, it was like Dodge City, and a fearful place to be, even in the middle of the day. Times Square was beyond description. Hustlers, thieves, pimps, Hos, gangbangers, and every kind of freak you could possibly imagine, packed in like sardines for blocks.

    But I get claustrophobic when I go there now, so I avoid it whenever possible. WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE FOR SANITY TO RULE!

    I have friends who live there, but I find it very hard to comprehend how anybody could live in a giant concrete nuthouse, and not turn into a nutcase themselves. I can’t understand how people think it’s hip to walk out your front door and find some shit stained, stinking mutant taking a leak on your steps, or getting whacked with a cane by an insane midget because you didn’t give him any money for playing (unbidden) his squeeze box for you.

    You want it? It’s all yours as far as I’m concerned.

  320. MarkD says:

    NYC and Europe are just different, not better. Those people need to get out more.

    I am the last person in the world who would ever advocate the draft, or compulsory military service. I will say it did force people to actually live and work with the people that the self-annointed elites put down so casually. In those days, you might have heard the condescending smarm, but only once unless the guy was real good and real good with his fists.

  321. SGT Ted says:

    YEZBUTHOW MANY HOUSSES DO HE HAVE WINGNUTS DOES HE EVEN KNOW (CAN COUNT)!1!!eventy!1!

    I bet he has houses in all 57 States.

  322. mojo says:

    Ah, looks like Obambi is whining about the vicious “community organizer” smear. Step in that snare, slick, go ahead. Tell us all about how you helped Chicago’s poor and underprivileged. I’m curious how Tony “Who Dat” Rezko was involved. Something about “unlivable conditions” in some of your rat-trap slums?

    I can’t wait.

  323. mojo says:

    Ah, here we go. Enjoy.

  324. TheGeezer says:

    Europe needs paint.

  325. MAJ (P) John says:

    “I am the last person in the world who would ever advocate the draft, or compulsory military service.”

    STOP RIGHT THERE! No mre need or should be said after that point :)

  326. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Mainland Europe needs soap.

  327. mojo says:

    Compulsory military service, like compulsory civil service, is involuntary servitude, pretty much by definition, and therefore unconstitutional.

    Also, it’s a really bad idea.

  328. Ah, looks like Obambi is whining about the vicious “community organizer” smear.

    he’s not the only one.

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