…on Sarah Palin’s libertarian governing style.
Bonus: Seems the GOP establishment in AK hates Palin almost as much as establishment feminists do.
Good sign, you ask me.
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Indeed.
Yes, I’m sure we’ll start seeing this story everywhere.
Uh Jeff, you might want to look a little “closer” at Palin.
Obama camp connects the dots for Jews: McCain…Palin…Buchanan…”Nazis”
If, you know, know what’s good for you…
Yeah, saw that Tom B.
Part of the politics of change!
Can we invoke Godwin’s law on the Obama campaign now?
That’s too funny cause Baracky hates Jews.
Man the procorruption crowd is nervous.
Paraphrase Bush ” If the torturers of the Hanoi Hilton can’t break McCain the angry left are a joke.”
“Man the procorruption crowd is nervous.”
They have been burning up the phone lines to the AK GOP to find out what they face. I predict a lot of “Machines” are going down in the next 4 years.
There’s a new sheriff in town.
They should campaign like hell for her then, to get her out of the state so they can go back to biz as usual. I mean, are they THAT dumb that they would undermine her, which, if successful, they get stuck with her for longer?
Palin seemed to not care much about REAL ID either way — she let the bill opposing it become law, but didn’t sign it.
Jeff G.
Thanks for all the Palin related posts you have putting up. They have been well done and provided a useful guide and archive on just how ugly the obamatrons have been.
Oh i see that was at the link.
Great move by the Republicans to have genial Fred Thompson recite McCain’s life story and then skewer Obama.
– Lieberman talking at the GOP convention has to be just killing the party of the provayers of hate. One of their attempted victims rises above the worst they could throw at him and sticks it in the face of “da muck”.
– Sa-weet.
Naaaaaaaaah.
He doesn’t care. I doubt he even really knows what a Jew is.
Not kidding. Dude’s sheltered. The ones he’s around are as fake as he is.
Like Buchanan — who’s better at this, because he’s way the fuck smarter, and more solid, personality-wise — Obama wants Jew-haters’ money, so he tickles their crazy-bellies until they cough up. That’s very slightly less bad, I think. About him, as a dude. Than hating Jews for real is.
For us out here though, same difference. Because he’s weak. Pat’s shaking down morons. He’s got the smirk. Our guys invented that shit. Ask him.
Barack, however, is gettin’ rolled.
Indeed, Thompson is making Obama look like preety lame in comparison.
oh. Maybe I guess. But M’chelle…
George could have whipped them up even more.
Is Baracky part of the pro-corruption crowd?
Chicago politician, ‘nuf said.
Is Baracky part of the pro-corruption crowd?
Fuck Yes! He’s a product of the most proudly corrupt political machine in America. Chicago “Community Shakedown Artist”
It has come to this.
There’s no need to even go that far. Policy-wise, it’s like Carter was back on the ballot. I haven’t seen a (serious) platform exhibit so much ignorance of basic economics since 1976.
That is why I can’t help but laugh out loud when I hear them choke out the words, “Rule of Law”, Aldo.
Thompson’s speech was well prepared, but it appeared as though someone offstage was giving him the old “speed it up, slow it down” cues here and there. Plus there was that whole just got done rolling around in a giant bag of Nacho Flavored Doritos makeup thing he had going on.
Other than that, I dug it big time.
The Washington Post has a graphic they made.
Can Lieberman and Thompson get some speech coaching? What’s with the constant muttering and throat-clearing? And the over-modulated sound work? The technical aspects of this event pale by comparison to the Dem’s Hollywood standards.
Just saying.
well, JHoward, you know all the creative, artistic people are Dems.
I’m not often given to quoting H.S. Thompson, but sometimes he had real insight…
“Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuck-offs and misfits–a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”
Yeah, maggie, and entirely too many voters see nothing more than that, either.
He would probably tell you “No!” and be perfectly sincere. That’s because of definitions. What you and I (and about anybody outside one of the city machines) call “corruption” Obama considers a perfectly normal, even praiseworthy part of politics. He has no experience to tell him different.
Regards,
Ric
Palin is close to Putin, says Deucey.
From a libertarian perspective governments have many similarities to criminal gangs. Competitive elections, watchdog media, government transparency, educated and involved public keep governments from their natural evolution into gangs of thugs.
When a single group is in power unmolested for many years they will build corruption into the system in order to protect their power and privilege. Then to those inside it looks like “business as usual”.
In a way they are right, government of that form has been the most prevalent throughout history. It’s the easy path of least resistance. Dictatorships are the end result of that path.
America was founded as a way to break that old system. It’s hard work but the rewards are legion. Things have to be shaken up on occasion to let the rotten fruit fall away.
The Republican Party was founded to shake things in the mid 1800’s. I say it’s time for it to return to it’s and America’s roots.
Well Shake it up Baby Now!
From the link @23:
“Are you telling me that you would not use character-destroying lies to ensure a war against Iran does not occur? . . . What choice do we have? When faced with monsters, we have to be monstrous ourselves.”
Dayum, they swallowed that Alinsky jive whole.
Jonah links to Joseph Bottum, who says:
*
Link to Bottum got et:
http://www.firstthings.com/blog/2008/08/31/the-politics-of-blood/
HAHHAHA
“I’ve got to tell you, I’m tired,” Biden continued. “Let me tell you. If you’re looking for a very sophisticated, Harvard graduate who went to Columbia undergrad and was president of the Law Review, he’s totally intellectual. Baby, you ain’t seen nothing yet. This guy is steel. This guy is steel, and I assure you that.”
This is just after Biden said Obama Bin Laden was living in the mountains of Afghanistan and his aides were desperately trying to get him to wrap it up, Old Joe the gas bag went on for an hour and 15 minutes
More Old Joe Hilarity at link, trust me, much more
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-2.html
When faced with monsters, we have to be monstrous ourselves.
Also, how does this square with their positions on Gitmo and waterboarding?
That was rhetorical, BTW. I already know the answer.
Olbermann has a piss ridden hole?
How many houses does that guy have?
Darn, TSK9, wish I’d known ahead of time and got my parents to go. COMEDY GOLD!
oh, my…it’s get better…
“He is my good friend,” Joe Biden told a large crowd here tonight. “I get in trouble for saying this with some real strong Obama supporters. … [But] if John McCain picked up the phone today and said, ‘Joe, I need you to get in a plane and fly out to Missoula, I can’t tell you why,’ I’d get in a plane and I’d go.”
and
“I was really pleased. Karl Rove called me a windbag doofus,” he joked. “I haven’t heard that phrase before, I tell you what, I guess I’ve made it.”
Yeah Joe, because only a windbag doofus would think voters important issue concerns entail looking for “very sophisticated, Harvard graduate who went to Columbia undergrad and was president of the Law Review”
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/09/biden_on_mccain.html
is the link on the last one.
Holy fuck. Now Palin is a libertarian savior. Christ, is there any spin you won’t stoop to? This is just so insane only proteinwisdom.com regulars will believe it. Desperation.
heh
Looks like you might get some mileage out of all that Alaskan/Alcoholism research you were working. I just saw some pictures of Bristol that will go viral in about 15 minutes.
First set has her and a girlfriend proudly posing with a half-gallon of Captain Morgans, the others show her doing the “Bonnie and Clyde meets Natural Born Killers” reportedly with her future husband Levi- chrome plated revolvers and everything. It’s kind of bad ass actually.
What a hoot!
Maggie
Isn’t it classic Biden?
At a town hall meeting at the Palm Beach County Convention Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del, ignored pleas from his staff to wrap up, and riffed for an hour and 15 minutes.
Teeth Flash – Nervous aide making the slice at neck gesture – Teeth Flash – Nervous aide feverishly making the slice at neck gesture – Teeth Flash – This guy is steel. This guy is steel – Teeth Flash
yep. I notice that was No. 7 in Tapper’s series…
Victor,
The more of this they do the bigger the hole under Obama gets.
I also like the punchy-ness. He’s a fighter. GRRRRRRR – teeth flash.
“Holy fuck. Now Palin is a libertarian savior. Christ, is there any spin you won’t stoop to? This is just so insane only proteinwisdom.com regulars will believe it. Desperation.”
Comment spam?
Christ, is there any spin you won’t stoop to?
UNINTENTIONAL IRONY ALERT.
This is just so insane only proteinwisdom.com regulars will believe it.
Well, us and the folks at Reason magazine, but what do they know about Libertarianism, right?
Isn’t it classic Biden?
There’s something stinky about a guy who’s been an enabler in the two biggest high-tech lynchings of the identity-politics era. It’s easy to picture Biden at a hanging, thumbs under his suspenders and big grin on his face –“Feller’s good-lookin’, ain’t he? Sometimes it’s amazing how I keep this town in rope.”
Sam,
I thought it described unionized teachers and the majority of art-based sciences chairs like womyn’s stuides and so forth.
If she ran a PAC for Ted Stevens, how is that mavericky or a sign that the establishment hates her? She is, delightfully, a darling of the establishment GOP in AK.
Sweet!
She is fucking awesome. Love her.
TheGeezer – It is not nice to talk about Prof. Caric like that.
SUGARTITS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is, delightfully, a darling of the establishment GOP in AK.
Damn. Lisa has become a “if I repeat it often enough it will become true” moonbat. Maybe you can get Nishi to give you a cool, sci fi name now.
Well, there are other signs. Like the fellow selling all the stories about how she fired a guy she appointed because he couldn’t get rid of a wife-beating, child-abusing cop.
But, hey, let’s compare the Obama/Biden anti-corruption record to Palin’s, OK?
She likes libertarian sports stadia and messy eminent domain fights.
Lisa, you disappoint me.
emmotdb: “She likes libertarian sports stadia and messy eminent domain fights.”
As opposed to, say, people meekly accepting the State’s expropriation of their homes?
She likes libertarian sports stadia and messy eminent domain fights.
The bill for which wouldn’t pay Joe Biden’s Amtrak subsidy for a month.
How about you compare her and Joe’s relationship with their constituent major corporations, what say?
Lisa: she’s got you scared shitless, doesn’t she?
“As opposed to, say, people meekly accepting the State’s expropriation of their homes?”
You don’t know which side of the eminent domain fight she was on as the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, do you?
You don’t know which side of the eminent domain fight she was on…
The problem most of us have with imminent domain is when private business use government to obtain land cheaper than they can buy it, when a big box store of developer gets local government to condemn the land and sell it to them for commercial development. Palin condemned land for community center. That is within the generally recognized original intent of the concept.
the others show her doing the “Bonnie and Clyde meets Natural Born Killers†reportedly with her future husband Levi- chrome plated revolvers and everything…
Wow, the picture of them with the two shotguns and the revolver? You people have absolutely no idea how far out of touch you are. Go ahead, spread that photo far and wide. Forget how many NRA members there are, ask yourself if you know how many gun owners there are?
There is nothing menacing in that photo at all, one of the shotguns is a friggin’ over-an-under for fools sake and the other is obviously a bird gun too. As for a big stainless revolver in Alaska? It’s Alaska home of coastal brown bears that make shit piles bigger than you.
You people are clueless and really need to get out more.
Go ahead, spread that photo far and wide.
Thomas: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Heh.
I was watching NBC last night at 10 pm and they were airing President Bush speaking. They did it without the sound of the crowd or even crowd shots. Just him speaking into the camera, then pausing mysteriously for applause you never heard or saw, then continueing. I turned it over to CNN and it was Laura Bush speaking live. They basically on NBC just went out of their way to rebroadcast his speech at 10 to make him look like a complete idiot. I about broke my TV.
emmotdb: “You don’t know which side of the eminent domain fight she was on as the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, do you?”
Don’t particularly care, nor does it particularly matter — emminent domain fights are *SUPPOSED* to be messy, emmotdb. If they’re not messy, then there is something wrong. Likewise, in terms of emminent domain taking, this is pretty small potatoes — you want to see emminent domain gone amok, look at what the Ceausescu-style central planning liberals burdened New London CT with in Kelo. The stadium in Wassila was not a case of robbing Peter to reward Paul.
Then again, you’re grinding away at nits whilst ignoring Obama’s cocaine, ties to crooks, terrorists, racists and a collection of other ne’er-do-wells. Funny thing that.
JDizzle (fo’ shizzle!!)
xx’s and oo’s to ya!
Lisa, and all the socialists, ARE very scared of this petite little woman. And damn well they should be….
“Lisa, you disappoint me.”
Why? You had to know it would come to this. Lisa’s caught up in the cult of personality. Her “people” are the real deal.
Hey, where’s that gun toting picture? I’m about due for a new desktop photo. This one just doesn’t have the zing that it used to.
I had hopes, Obsterperous. Hopes that Lisa would offer something other than huffington post talking points.
How about this one Pablo?
I dunno, Carin. I keep hoping for Waffles to pull the trigger in that one and learn the importance of placing the buttstock against one’s shoulder and not in one’s armpit. I guess I could imagine Barry plowing into the side of the Weinermobile or something, but that’s gonna take a bit more suspension of disbelief.
Damn, Pablo, never saw that one. It looks like he’s going to hurt himself.
Damn, just ate my link. Pablo, try this one.
“caught up in the cult of personality”
Yeah yeah whatever makes you feel good, sugarass. Your opinion is of course, sober and thoughtful. Any divergent opinion is to be derided as silly and cultish.
I am shocked…SHOCKED to see that on this blog!
Sniffs.
I dunno, Pablo. I can very easily imagine O! getting his pant-cuff stuck in the chains.
Any divergent opinion is to be derided as silly and cultish.
Well, when you start putting words in our mouths, such as “smart niggers only use their clever little monkey brains”, it does look pretty silly and cultish, Lisa. Perhaps “thorish” would be le mot juste.
BTW, didnt I say that I LOVE her? She is the gift that keeps on giving. I don’t think she is dreadful or anything. She seems rather intelligent and very nice. But all these rumors (and a few truths) are completely fucking hilarious. I am waiting for some cross dressing brother to come out of the woodwork ala Twin Peaks.
Heh. I was just watching Megyn Kelly inform Bob Beckel that The One is going to go on O’Reilly’s show. He looked like someone just told him he had terminal cancer while he was swallowing a sour turd.
Fear. I like it.
She is the gift that keeps on giving.
I’ll see your Levi and AIP and raise you a Jeremiah Wright and Weather Underground.
I am waiting for some cross dressing brother to come out of the woodwork ala Twin Peaks.
Do you think all of Obamas step mothers and siblings that keep coming out of the slums of Africa equally hilarious?
She’s the gift that keeps on giving to self-hating, partisan women. That you find the rumors completely fucking hilarious is sad.
I think hoot got flop sweat on the inside of my monitor. I don’t think they make a Kimwipe for that.
Spies has got himself one of them thar “resentments”.
Hmmmm, I thought this was a place where people could COMMENT and sort of um…..what is it called…..um……oh that’s it…express their opinion! I think the Perfesser is grown-up enough to brush my divergent opinion off (he does it regularly and with great flair). You might try the same thing.
B Moe, I’m going to have to denounce #87 as racist. I’m sure you understand …
Remember, election ’08 is about RACISM, not sexism. Did we learn anything from Hillary?
I’d love it if you expressed your opinion. Sadly, what you did was repeat a HuffPo talking point.
Thanks, SB&P, but sometimes I need both hands on the keyboard.
“Any divergent opinion is to be derided as silly and cultish”
LOL…Wrong on all acounts in regards to me, Lisa. I think you are projecting just a wee bit. You are caught up. It’s cool. It’s silly and juvenile, but hey that seems to be the way your roll.
Spies has got himself one of them thar “resentmentsâ€Â.
Why would I resent it? That’s exactly the kind of thing that’s going lose the election for Obama.
Heh.
Lisa, what do you think of the media attacks on Palins family? Of the belief that she should get her little self home and take care of her children?
That an “outsider” has no place in politics? That senator with more experience running for office, than running his office, is more qualified for Pres than a WOMAN, who was a mayor and now a Gov, is to be vice pres?
I’m not sure what kind of rolls you like, however.
Funny thing is that regardless of who wins this stupid election we are all taking it in the rear. It is a lose-lose worse situation.
I love this from the NY Slimes:
When Ms. Palin completed her second and final term, in 2002, her stepmother-in-law, Faye Palin, was running to succeed her. It seemed like a good idea, except that Faye Palin supported abortion rights and was registered as unaffiliated, not Republican, people who remember the race said. Sarah Palin sided instead with Dianne M. Keller, a religious conservative and an ally on the City Council. Ms. Keller won.
Principles!!!
I’m sure Dave Neiwert will be all over that like powdered sugar on a beignet.
I would love for someone to be able to tell me how the left is so able to completely hate someone in a matter of days. I mean this chick hasn’t even been the VP pick for a week and they already HATE her. If you go look at some left wing blogs hate is not too strong a word, it is probably too quaint actually. How can you hate someone you do not even know, and who you did not even know what their name was 2 weeks ago?
Lisa: “Hmmmm, I thought this was a place where people could COMMENT and sort of um…..what is it called…..um……oh that’s it…express their opinion!”
And, yet, when other respond to your comments and, y’know “express their opinion,” you go all whiney weak sister… funny thing that.
If you can’t stand the heat… well, you know the rest.
Carin, it is par for the course. The media would be stupid not to vet her. That is their job. To find out who she is and beat the bushes looking for secrets.
And please with the vapors and fainting spells. Especially after watching the internets collectively spend so much time giggling about Obama and his Secret Muslimness, Traitoriness, and Bitch-Wifeness? Do you really think any politician is going to get a free pass by the press? Um, no.
Some of the rumors about Sarah Palin are really shitty. But so are the rumors that Hillary Clinton is gay, shot her alleged lover in the head in a DC park, and had about 35 or so of her closest friends offed.
Yeah I get offended at some of the shit aimed at politicians and their families – it is not really fair, but I stop short of the fainting couch. It is what it is, you know? We sort of made our bed a while back when we decided that everything is fair game because it goes to “character”. So when our pet politicians get the same “character” examinations, we really can’t wax outraged can we?
Dread I am not whining. Bitch you are totally projecting.
The media would be stupid not to vet her. That is their job.
That would be the same media that swept the John Edwards thing under the rug until forced into it by the National Enquirer? Out of “respect for his privacy”?
Pink examining someone is not hating them (pointing and laughing is not hating either).
Phah, SBP, you know damned well John Edwards is not as important to the national interest as Bristol Palin is. The media are just trying to keep their jobs from being shipped overseas.
Yeah that media. They back off of a lot of stories out of “respect” for whoever’s lap they are sitting in at the time. The fuckers. But they really can’t get away with soft pedaling Palin. That would be too egregious.
They back off of a lot of stories out of “respect†for whoever’s lap they are sitting in at the time.
And it’s sheer coincidence that those laps always seem to be Democrats, I suppose?
I have to go corrupt the youth for a while. Back later.
Not talking about you Lisa, but if you do not see that alot of people that think like you HATE her then you are blind.
But they really can’t get away with soft pedaling Palin. That would be too egregious.
You mean like they do for Obama?
Yeah. Egregious and all that.
I hate things like the Cowboys, ticks, spiders, and my dentist. Some politician whose name I did not know 2 weeks ago, not so much.
No I don’t see that. They don’t KNOW her. They might hate evangelicals, right wingers, or whatever thing they think she represents. But they don’t hate her. They are still trying to figure out who she is.
“…Do you really think any politician is going to get a free pass by the press? Um, no.”
– No. Of course not Lisa. Maybe that explains why Obama’s “secrets” like his pastor and 20 year mentor had to come out of the closet and scream god-damn America in the tin-ear of the “non-partisan” press for weeks before they had to even admit he exists.
– You might take note that the majority of press has openly admitted they’re in the tank for the one.
– We’ve already established what they are. We’re just haggling over their price.
If the MSM had put the same effort into scrutinizing Obama over the last 18 months as they have with Palin over the last 5 days, this election would be a whole different ballgame.
No, Lisa. They’re trying to proclaim who she is. They fear her, therefore she must be the Bride of Chucky and exposed as such.
“But they really can’t get away with soft pedaling Palin. That would be too egregious.”
Why not? They do it with Obama.
close bold tags are your friends.
Oh please they can’t do a story without mentioning that many people think Obama is a secret muslim (you know, those all-important fuckwads who believe in chain mails and read Regenry Press books).
But they really can’t get away with soft pedaling Palin. That would be too egregious.
Respecting the privacy of a 17 year old girl would be too egregious.
Up is down,… ah fuck it.
Because they, like, totally vetted her via Google in 48 hours. McCain wasn’t so thorough, I’ll betcha.
Lisa: “Dread I am not whining. Bitch you are totally projecting.”
Am I? All I’ve done is point out the obvious — you resent folks doing unto you what you do to other folks. That, pretty much definitionally, is whining. If you can’t deal with it, you’ve got no business dishing it.
You are free to express you’re opinion to the gallery… but the gallery is perfectly free to tell you you’re wrong. And if the brightest rejoinder you’ve got is “Bitch you are totally projecting,” then you’re in sadder shape than I thought.
Mr. Pink,
Brian Williams apologized and said that they had planned to do a split feed but some kind of technical glitch interfered. PBS did show a split feed, but then they were running live at the time. NBC and the other networks time delayed GWB’s speech.
One thing that I was thinking about last night is just how valuable Laura Bush has been to her husband’s political career. She’s got to be worth at least a couple of electoral votes. She’s a personable, attractive woman and gets her points across without being perceived as threatening, all the time giving an impression of a steel spine. Cindy McCain doesn’t generate the same June Cleaver vibe, but I think perhaps Sarah Palin brings a slightly more assertive version of that persona to the campaign.
So the media should just say “McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. If you want to know who she is, please consult your nearest McCain press release….because you can TOTALLY trust your politicians to tell you the truth about who they are and what they stand for – okay you can totally trust your Republican politicians. Those fucking Dems are just secret muzzie fuckasses.”
I know you would love that shit, but unfortunately, the press can’t be a propaganda wing ALL the time. They have to take a break and actually pretend to do some reportin’.
Lisa, at this point arguing that theres any sort of objectivity whatsoever left in the legacy media would be nothing short of incredibly naive’.
– I don’t believe you’re naive’.
Oh please they can’t do a story without mentioning that many people think Obama is a secret muslim …
Even is the can’t do a story part were true, which it isn’t. Some people do think Obama is a Muslim and he is the candidate. Running stories about this and pointing out they are false doesn’t compare to exposing details about Palin’s children.
The media would be stupid not to vet her. That is their job. To find out who she is and beat the bushes looking for secrets.
Fine. Let me here you demand the media have access to Obama’s school and medical records. And his childrens too. You okay with that? Let no bush remain unbeaten, I am sure you are down with that, right?
You must get a different press than I do, because I don’t hear that at all.
Oh, they hardly ever mention those bigoted, ignorant rubes. And when they do, they frame it as such.
Meanwhile, this baby thing must me fully aired out. John Edwards, not so much. Ahem.
Honestly, the only people I EVER see bringing up the Obama is a muslim thing are liberals here. I saw a few really ignorant, anon comments on big blogs. But, HERE at PW, the only one who ever brings it up are you guys.
I would love for someone to be able to tell me how the left is so able to completely hate someone in a matter of days.
Easy, she is a Republican, so she is the enemy, and they hate the enemy.
Kind of like how we feel about terrorists.
Lisa: “McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. If you want to know who she is, please consult your nearest McCain press release….”
It is an order of magnitude worse to slither over to the KosKids for their bearings.
Dread, who cares. Do you have a point? I didn’t think so.
I had forgotten why I mostly ignore you. Now I remember! If you want to have some sort of pointless online snipefest with a “leebrull” go to Huffington Post. I am sure they will be happy to match wits (or lack thereof) with you.
– Fact is, the only thing they haven’t done so far, at least that I know of, is get their paychecks directly from the DNC.
– Lisa. Read Darleens post up the page. Its gotten to the point that its plain embarrassing.
Um, no. People like Stanley Kurtz must be silenced.
Oh please they can’t do a story without mentioning that many people think Obama is a secret muslim
My experience has been that when this is mentioned by the MSM it is to show that it is untrue. But don’t take my word for it.
#Comment by Lisa on 9/3 @ 9:34 am #
I thinks that’s the sound of feminist solidarity sinking like a torpedoed cruiser.
Maybe I have a different standard of hatred than you do I guess. I would have to hate someone to photoshop pictures of them in a bikini, accuse them of lying about their underage daughters pregnancy, or post slanderous lies about them and their family ad naseum. Sorry I guess I am just a wierd guy.
Lisa, please demonstrate ONE example for when the MSM has been a propaganda arm of the Right. ONE. Pretty please?
We could start collecting examples of the MSM carrying the dems water here if you dispute the claims that the MSM is doing everything it can to get O! elected.
Um, no.
Oh, dear.
You really think they’re doing their job by picking up insanity from the left-wing swamp and running with it? The McCain campaign has been asked for DNA tests to prove the identity of Trig’s mother — is that reporting or is that muck-raking?
You really think they’ve dug into Obama’s history? Or that his family has gotten this much scrutiny and abuse?
They’re trying to cast Palin as a secessionist because she gave (by videotape) a speech to a local party that doesn’t even have secession as part of its platform, but has some loony members who have brought up the idea. Can we apply the same standard to Obama? Please? Pretty please? Because I’ll stack a single speech up against 20 years in the audience for Wright’s sermons any day.
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Yes I am sure that was a complete accident.
Lovely to see you all!
(Where are the other two tokens, Nish and Thor?)
“I know you would love that shit, but unfortunately, the press can’t be a propaganda wing ALL the time. They have to take a break and actually pretend to do some reportin’.”
Is there any human being with an ounce of decency that has watched this media lynching of Palin who believes that the media ISN’T a propaganda wing of the democrat party? Puh-leeze, spare me that BS!
Lisa: “(Where are the other two tokens, Nish and Thor?)”
Nishi is off sulking — something about JeffG telling her to put up or shut up or some such.
Thor meanders to his own accordionist and will wander in presently… or not.
-#143
– Their fate is being discussed over at the pub. So far the trend is pointing about 9:1 in favor of allowing them to continue ruining everyones day.
Lets see Carin……Judy Miller (and the rest of the MSM bozos) and her shilling for admin in the run – up to the Iraq war.
It is nice to see you Lisa, even if we do disagree about the role the MSM plays in presidential elections.
Oh lordee….now here we go with the Iraq war argument. Can’t we just pass go, collect 200 dollars and get to the part where liberals hate freedom, love the terrorists, and hate the military.
– Oh, would that be the same Judy Miller that sat in jail for a couple of months, refusing to admit that Armitage was her “sorce” to leave the door open for the Left, and the Left media to run with the whole pile of “Rove outed Plame” fabricated bullshit. That Judy Miller?
Didn’t you bring up the Iraq war? Last I checked noone was talking about it since after the surge they can’t keep bringing up troop death statistics while showing a car burning.
Always good to see you, Ed Guy and the PW family.
Lisa: “Dread, who cares. Do you have a point? I didn’t think so. ”
Ah, none so blind as those who close their eyes and go “lalalalalalalala.”
The legacy media’s naked hyprocrisy — dodging the Edwards story whilst trolling the slimier corners of the KosKids sandbox for Pallin rumors –will only serve to underminde themselves and,by extension, the candidate they’ve been fawning over, Obama. Throw in on top of that the pass Obama’s gotten on Rezko, Ayers, et al and ad nauseum and there’s trouble brewing in Obama-land.
This is classic Chicago politicking — when in fear and doubt, smear.
I was just doing a pre-emptive strike, Pink. LOL. Being that I opened that can of worms and all.
– During Bidens speech at the Dem convention, at one point he said “…and I am proud of America’s warriors…”. The wild applause suddenly stopped like it hit a brick wall, and you could hear a pin-drop. It even embarrassed Joe himself, so he quickly cleared his throat and moved on.
– But they loves them our military. Sure.
Lisa missed my joke about beating the bushes. I am crushed.
I denounce myself for my not funnyness today.
Random point.
“experience” as an issue is idiotic. After all, of all the people constitutionally eligible to be president one of the people with the most relevant experience is Jimmy Carter (G. H. W. Bush being the other) and I would vote for almost anyone, regardless of experience over Jimmy Carter.
Indeed, Ted Kennnedy, John Kerry, Al Gore, and many other dems have tons of experience, and I would never vote for them. You can have experience and still be wrong and incompetent at the same time. I’ve known plenty of people who have been in high positions with years of experience in those positions who were still terrible at what they did.
I would vote for a totally and completely inexperienced person who shared the same values and government philosophy with me over a tremendously experienced leftist any day of the week. I’m sure that the left would do the same (indeed, Obama’s nomination is proof of this fact).
So, as I’ve argued many times before, experience only matters to the mushy middle. The people who don’t really pay attention, don’t have firm beliefs, and don’t really know what the candidate’s actual ideological positions are or what such positions mean.
Sure, all things being equal (i.e., 2 candidates with the exact same positions on all the issues), I would vote for the person with the most experience. That isn’t how it works though.
The press does crack me up in all of this however, b/c they are really into “experience” this year, but only as applied to Palin, not Obama, which to me is pretty ridiculous when comparing the position of the 2 on the party’s tickets and considering that their experience is roughly equal (I personally think Palin’s experience is a little more relevant but can see the arguemnt the other way).
Funny how that whole Iraq war thing is no longer in the news in favor of the pregnancy of the underage daughter of a VP pick. Priorities……
The Iraq war stopped being a priority some time around the time Brangelina adopted their third child.
Newest Palin attack from feministe: She’s anti-woman because she spent less seconds introducing her girl children than her boy children
“Palin spends one minute and 50 seconds introducing her five children. Five of these seconds she spends introducing three girls, firstname only, to audience silence. The other 105 seconds are spent introducing two boys. That’s 95.2% of the time spent introducing 40% of the children.”
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-calls-herself-feminist-but.html
Honestly Lisa it stopped being “news” as soon as the “news” turned good.
Lisa –
I’m utterly cool, now, with you guys and the MSM doing their crappy, sleazy best/worst with Palin and her daughters.
Its just poking a bear. You’re all gonna get a faceful of “come to mama”. Count on it.
I know you would love that shit, but unfortunately, the press can’t be a propaganda wing ALL the time. They have to take a break and actually pretend to do some reportin’.
I agree completely. I’m just waiting for them to take off their Obama spokesperson hats for a while and do some, you know, actual, unbiased reporting.
Mr. Banana:
Agreed, but with this big assed caveat: Words are not enough.
The one intrinsic value of experience is a record of putting into practice those values with which I’m concerned. That’s why legislators and governors are good for examining their voting records and what bills they passed and what programs they supported. That’s the experience that speaks to me and which I seek out.
That having been said there is something to be said for some kind of executive experience and that gives a certain advantage to both military officers and governors. Reading the nutroots scream about “Where’s McCain’s executive experience” while willfully or ignorantly ignoring his time as an air wing squadron commander is both amusing and depressing. It’s not a deal breaker but one of the important issues.
Sarah Palin reflects many of my political values and she’s run a state with a $40 billion budget and 24,000 employees. Obama has nothing in his resume that’s even close in terms of executive experience and his political values are very, very progressive left. The choice, for me, is easy.
The extreme, savage hatred being unleashed against Palin and her children by the Proggosphere (and passive-aggressively, the MSM) is totally disproportionate to any political sin that she has committed. As someone over at NRO noted recently George Bush had to invade and occupy another country to engender this level of hatred. There is no way to avoid the conclusion that Palin’s gender is responsible for the disproportionate antipathy for a VP candidate.
Lisa,
Vetting? If the MSM suddenly woke up and remembered that they are supposed to vet candidates for high office will they begin the overdue task of vetting Obama? All the examples of Obama-vetting you cited are internet chatter. The MSM has never made any serious attempt to investigate his political career comparable to what they are doing now to Palin, a Vice-Presidential candidate.
It’s over. We lost.
This deserves it’s own thread, so I’m also putting it up in the Pub. RTWT.
Senator Obama: “Governor Palin. I was on a board of a foundation that ran a 560 million dollar budget over a 7 year span. Maybe you could explain your executive background as opposed to my own and why the American people should vote in your favor.”
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Govorner Palin:“While you were sitting on a board Senator, or voting “present” in your first term as junior Senator, I was running the largest state in the union as its chief executive, with a 10 billion dollar budget. Maybe you could tell the American people some of your foreign relations experience, other than your single recent campaign tour, and give us an example of the troops you have managed that squares with the Alaskan NG I was in charge of as Governor.”
– They will lose the “experience” argument.
– They better stick to picking on 17 year old family members.
Fine. Let me here you demand the media have access to Obama’s school and medical records. And his childrens too. You okay with that? Let no bush remain unbeaten, I am sure you are down with that, right?
Oh snap. I thought that he had (I read more than a few articles on his excellent scholarship – not sure about his health records though). If he hasn’t, he should. I demand it.
Sorry I missed that, B Moe. I was too busy snarking it up with Dread. I denounce myself.
#160: That just cracks me up. Now we will judge feminist bona fides by applying double entry accounting. So it should have been something like this:
Our oldest son is going to Iraq and we’re proud!
Our next oldest is pregnant and we love her!
Our next oldest as a killer jump shot. Hooray!
Our nest oldest loves to dance! Cool beans!
Our youngest has Downes and he’s precious!
Someone else can tally up the percentages.
BJ,
I agree with you – obviously, in the primary, I am going to look at
1) what a person claims his/her positions are;
2) what record the person has regarding conservative positions;
3) relevant experience the person has (including business experience, military experience, and gov’t experience).
And use that mix to figure out who I am going to vote for in the primary.
I would prefer someone with a long and solid conservative record combined with relevant experience. My point was that if my choice is between an inexperienced conservative and an experienced liberal, I will chose the conservative every time. And, a liberal would chose the liberal every time.
So, once we are past the primaries (and even sometimes in the primaries) the “experience” issue is really a game played to the people who don’t have any real ideology.
The largest state in the union LMAO!!! Well…in square footage.
Rolling on the floor laughing.
Hell, that shit worked for Clinton in 1992. People might buy it again. But Alaska is even more of a one-horse state than Arkansas….so maybe not.
“But Alaska is even more of a one-horse state than Arkansas….so maybe not.
– Yes. That derision thing the elite always manages to express for small town America has stood the Left in good stead with the middle America “fly-over” voters in the past Lisa. Just ask Gore and Kerry/
– Go with that. Its a winner.
Even if she’d been the Governor of Rhode Island, that’d still be more exectivr experience than Obama. And you know it.
You can argue area vs. population all day long, but the numbers “ten billion” and “twenty-four thousand” have a specific meaning that cannot be waved away.
“Don’t particularly care, nor does it particularly matter  emminent domain fights are *SUPPOSED* to be messy, emmotdb. If they’re not messy, then there is something wrong.”
Or you failed to do something right — in this case buy the land before the developer did.
“Palin condemned land for community center.”
I’m not seeing whats libertarian governing style about taking land for a community center.
Palin is definitely doing her job by solidifying the base. Republicans are nothing if not energized by the idea of being attacked or persecuted. So in that sense, she is a total badass.
But, I fail to see how she is getting any less scrutiny than anyone else would. If one of the Obama kids (or McCain’s youngest) turned up preggers, it would get some serious play. Period. And if Obama had selected some unknown from the wilderness (literally and figuratively) we would be talking about that too.
Lisa,
I read more than a few articles on his excellent scholarship
Really? Please cite to some. He hasn’t released his college grades, his LSAT score, or his law school grades. He hasn’t published any articles. What scholarship could you be referring to?
It appears he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action and that he got on the Law Review through affirmative action (he did not grade-on or write-on, which means the only way he could have gotten on was through some form of AA program).
I’m not saying he isn’t smart, but he is not some kind of top scholar or major intellectual. Or at least, there is absolutely no proof of that.
He did teach a course as an associate professor. I have done that also, not that hard a gig to get and does not prove any particular brilliance.
Now, in fairness, I didn’t teach a law school course at as presitigous a school as O! did. But, then again, my grades and LSAT score were only good enough to get me in to a top 15 law school, but not Harvard. However, had I had AA on my side, I would have easily matriculated into Harvard and who knows where I would be now.
Yes Big Bang. I don’t fetishize small town America. Big town America is just as relevant as small town America. Living out in the burbs does not make you more American.
Plus, she’d probably have some prison time under her belt.
Of course Great Banana. Affirmative Action. He is too dumb and lazy to do otherwise. You just can’t help yourself.
Buh Bye. Fuck this noise.
emmotdb: “I’m not seeing whats libertarian governing style about taking land for a community center.”
One act outside the style obviates the style — is that your argument?
Do you imagine there are very many politicians who are perfect ideologues?
emmotdb, that has got to be the shallowest approach to politics I’ve heard in years.
“I would have easily matriculated into Harvard and who knows where I would be now.”
– Well, as long as you were careful not to gather any executive or foreign relations, or military leadership experience, you might even be running for president on the Democratic ticket.
It’s official, Half Sigma says Palin is white trash.
I guess we can all go home now.
Through a racist lens assumptions of AA might appear, but not so much for those of us who know what magna cum laude means.
I simply can not see the logic of someone that is for Affirmative Action, but then gets offended when you suggest someone got where they were simply because of Affirmative Action. I mean isn’t that the freaking point of it?
Not like I was agreeing with anything GB said by the way.
Of course Great Banana. Affirmative Action. He is too dumb and lazy to do otherwise. You just can’t help yourself.
I never said he was dumb or lazy. If he had stellar college grades and a stellar LSAT score, he would have released them. Without stellar college grades and a stellar LSAT score, how do you think he got into Harvard Law? Seriously? Do you think they routinely let in mediocre students?
As to Law Review, it has been reported that he did not grade-on or write-on, the only 2 ways of earning a spot on law review. If he did not get on through either of those avenues, how do you propose he to onto Law Review?
I’m sorry if I hit a sore spot, but facts are facts. And, in O!’s case, the big “qualification” for him seems to be Harvard Law and the Harvard Law Review – both of which he probably didn’t really earn his way into through merit.
but this points to a problem. Affirmative Action actually diminishes african-american’s achievements because that question will always be there as long as legal discrimination in the form of AA exists to award people things that they did not earn.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
take it easy on lisa.
Palin isn’t the second coming of Christ, she’s just a VP nominee on a ticket that sucks.
Lisa’s probably right on how at least some on the right would react to one of Biden’s kids getting knocked up in HS. I’m not thinking Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter would do the GOP proud on that story line.
the fact that it sucks sharply less than Obama-Biden doesnt mean we can call it a good ticket that most anyone here likes; just that it’s a ticket we’ll vote for because Obama is legitmately congruent with the Nation magazine.
“Yes Big Bang. I don’t fetishize small town America. Big town America is just as relevant as small town America. Living out in the burbs does not make you more American.”
– Not one bit. But then living in a one horse town doesn’t make your vote count for less either.
– If the Left ever gets its nose out of its hair line and learns that little “inconvenient truth” it might win a few elections.
Now, didn’t Barrett last week tell us that all the conservative profs at U of C admire O and his legal mind? I think we’re still waiting for a link supporting that…
Feh. Let the scoffers mock… they don’t understand.
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
Robert Heinlein
Who amongst the folks running for high office this season do you imagine can cover even those bases? Which pair do you think can cover the list?
Republicans are nothing if not energized by the idea of being attacked or persecuted.
Well maybe but we don’t have masturbatory assassination fantasies or anything.
Thor,
I was magna cum laude at my law school and did not grade onto Law Review. There are only two ways to get onto law review and it happens at the end of the first year. Some very small # of the top students get on automatically, and then there is a writing competition for the rest of the slots.
It has been reported that O! did not grade-on, meaning he was not one of the top, say, 50 students of his year. It was reported that he did not write-on (meaning he did not win a writing competition to get on).
Thus, what is left? There is only one other answer.
Sorry, but if you think facts are racist than you have a real problem.
As to getting into Harvard in the first instance, he hasn’t released his college grades or LSAT score. If either was good enough to get into Harvard his campaign would have released the same by now to show how smart O! is. Therefore, it is pretty logical to assume he only got in b/c of AA.
I hate to spoil your fantasies of racism with cold hard facts, but there it is.
Again, O! is obviously a smart guy. But, he is hardly brilliant, and it appears he did not actually earn some of his greatest accomplishments so much as have them given to him b/c of the color of his skin.
The Curious Matter of the Dog in the Night, eh GB?…
…for those of us who know what magna cum laude means.
First of all, that was leaving Harvard, the AA was for getting in, he got no such honors from Columbia, it seems.
Second, it literally means with great honor, I got that, but what exactly does it mean academically in this case?
Really, though, doesn’t the anger Lisa had at the suggestion prove the basic weaknesses of AA?
If he DID get into Harvard (and the Law Review) because of AA policies, shouldn’t he be considered an affirmative action success story? Shouldn’t he be loudly praises the system that helped him get where he is today?
Either AA is a good thing or it’s a poison well. Which is it?
Well, yeah, mcgruder, but that ain’t the point.
I don’t think Malkin would get anywhere near this nasty, although Coulter might just for the shock value, but both Malkin and Coulter are self-avowed partisans. We expect Moulitsas and his circus to do this sort of thing, but to have it as the full-throated, no-holds-barred f*ing default for the entire media, from the New York Times to KFLP (Kow-FLoP Radio! the voice of West Nowhere) is something at least a little new.
Regards,
Ric
Banana, yeah that always stings when those of us who busted our ass through college have to endure some ignorant asshole denigrate it because “of COURSE you are not smart enough to have earned it on your own merit, you monkey”. But you know what, fuck it. You can’t please all of the crackers all of the time, right?
;-)
Ha! I just took it persnally didn’t I? I hate it when my personalities contradict each other.
Great banana,
maybe, but maybe not. Isn’t there perhaps a more productive line of pursuit against the anti-Obama thoughstream? Say, you know, his museum quality, 1974-vintage leftism?
because if youre wrong, it looks bad for you, and all of us on the right. If youre right, it still is kind of a cheap shot.
Because the A-1 example of the benefits of legacy admissions, and the utility of well-established social networks, are lucky sperm’ers like GWB, Al Gore and John Kerry.
those three couldnt have put together a passable bar in a college town without family connections and family cash. Obama just played the system on the other side of the trade. It’s every bit as ugly and disingenuous to pretend he’s self-made–he’s not–but when Bush pretends he was “a businessman,” just know that he wasn’t necessarily fretting about his return on invested capital.
– Hey sweet SugarTits. Welcome to the rest of humanity.
“…but when Bush pretends he was “a businessman….”
– “….need any wood?”
But Lisa, isn’t AA supposed to make up for inequalities? The kid didn’t get a great school, so AA boosts him up a bit where he shows how brilliant he is later in life?
The only “shame” would then be what a person did (or didn’t do) with that gift.
If Obama was an AA admission, shouldn’t he be grateful? The only BS moment is if he’s using his AA accomplishments as a sign of his brilliance. Which is why the whole Law Review thing comes up time and time again. It isn’t a sign of his brilliance if he got the position ’cause he was black.
And, the great one is doing nothing to “prove” he got it through academics alone.
But, I fail to see how she is getting any less scrutiny than anyone else would. If one of the Obama kids (or McCain’s youngest) turned up preggers, it would get some serious play.
And how much scrutiny did we see the MSM give to Joe Biden’s son, a lobbyist for MBNA (which profited handsomely from the bankruptcy legislation that Biden sponsored)? How about Biden’s daughter, who was arrested for assaulting a police office (although her real crime was playing the “Don’t you know who I Am?” card)?
Yeah, that’s what I thought so.
Lisa, you’ve missed Banana’s point, and that’s what got you steamed.
The point of Affirmative Action is that qualified applicants get passed over because of irrelevant considerations (in this case, racism or sexism.) A person who gets in because of AA and then achieves proves that case — that the admission requirements absent AA are distorted by prejudice. Such an individual should be proud to the point of shouting it from the house-tops.
The only reason to be ashamed of being admitted under AA would be if you assumed yourself that it’s merely a thinly-disguised quota system implementing racial preferences, and getting hot that that’s the assumption simply confirms the prejudices of the worst, most cracker-minded genuine racists.
Regards,
Ric
Dammit… ‘officer’ and strike the last ‘so’.
Baracky should be very very grateful I think. He’s the Democratic nominee for president without even doin nothin. When all this is over it’s gonna be thank you card time and it will be epic.
Ric,
Kow-Flop radio. that is good. damn good.
I think Malkin would definitely get that nasty; Coulter…come on. That girl has money to earn.
The point i was making was in agreement with Lisa that if Biden’s kid was knocked up in Wilmington HS or wherever, there would be a lot of eyebrows raised on the right. And to be sure, many sections of the right blogosphere.
No one is denying media bias on the issue–not me, since I work in MSM (ground zero actually)–but we all knew that going into the election.
I would like to believe that many sites, at least the ones I visit, like here, HogonIce and LGF, have proprietors who wouldnt be d-cks about that.
I should say that from what Ive seen of Palin, I like her. More than McCain anyhow.
Dave, but he is not pregnant. Shit, he doesn’t even have a vagina to fret over.
How is he news when Camile Paglia can’t even discuss whether he looks slutty or not?
Maybe Baracky’s peeps are right and womens with childrens are just too fucked up to entrust with political authority. I don’t want to completely close my mind to their arguments. NPR says womens with kids are very very questionable in positions of authority. We need to talk about this.
Maybe. Maybe not. Until he does, you just don’t know for sure. And it’s pure fallacy to suppose that his grades are bad, simply because he hasn’t released his transcripts. You might as well suppose that he hasn’t released his grades because he was put on academic probation for being caught snorting crack off a hooker’s ass. Or somesuch.
It is a nasty lie that Biden doesn’t have a vagina!
Whether his son and/or daughter do is irrelevant because they haven’t asked us to approve them for the highest positions of public trust.
In an all-male dorm, after visiting hours. Horrors.
– happy, there wouldn’t be any “peeps in positions of authority” were it not for the wimmins. Thats what Patriarchy is all about. Living that down for the mens ego.
– There. Now we’ve discussed that subject.
No one is denying media bias on the issue–not me, since I work in MSM (ground zero actually)–but we all knew that going into the election.
I would like to believe that many sites, at least the ones I visit, like here, HogonIce and LGF, have proprietors who wouldnt be d-cks about that.
So … being a “dick” is pointing out how biased the media is?
Facts can be so annoying.
I think AA was well intended. And it probably opened doors that I might have remained closed.
But it is obviously seriously flawed and ultimately a bad idea. There is no educated, accomplished black American who does not bristle at the implication that their gifts are non-existent and their acheivments simply the result of a quota.
It is what it is though. Someone failed to realize that they would be stamping all future generations of educated negroes with the scarlet “AA” – maybe that was the intention. Who knows.
emmotdb: “Without getting into whether it is ‘one act’ or several, look into the magnitude of this act compared to Wasilla’s budget. See if her style of managing Wasilla, which includes this eminent domain for building a public sports complex, is in total, “libertarian.—
You have killthe gators before you can drain the swamp, emmot.
If that is the best you have, you’ve got nothing
Carin: “Facts can be so annoying.”
Tyrannical, facts are.
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Slart, I like the way you’re thinking. But, you are going to have to take it up a few notches if you want to compete with the MSM.
I really could care less about his grades. BUT, if he is going to flaunt the Harvard Law Review, asking how he got that gig is a legitimate question. And, absent his grades …
If a guy runs on a platform of how brilliant he is … .it’s valid to ask for proof.
Dave, but he is not pregnant. Shit, he doesn’t even have a vagina to fret over.
So it’s only newsworthy if there is a pregnancy involved?
oh. ok. But NPR is dubious that women what birth babies should be allowed full participation in the political process. We’ll just have to see how this plays out I guess.
– Well, if asserting the super heavyweight Left bias on the part of the legacy media is all wrong, they will have the perfect opportunity even as we type to show their non-partisanship.
– One of Bidens sons is under the gun in a legal case, accussed of scaming a buisness partner, along with another guy, in the housing mrtgage and loan shark business.
– So all we have to do now is see how hard the media pursue this and “ask the tough questions” since its on the Democratic side this time.
Lisa if the point of AA is to give someone an advantage over another due to the color of their skin or gender how can you get pissed when the disadvantage get pissed? Wouldn’t that be like some uppity white person telling you to “get over it”?
I think Lisa was bringing on the funny, there, Dave. She does that a lot.
Oh, sure, I think it’s completely valid to make sure he’s not secretly an idiot. I’d think our friends on the left would be totally behind a thorough vetting of our presidential candidates, to prevent an idiot from making it into the White House, again.
Which does make it kind of a big wierdness, if we haven’t seen Obama’s grades, etc.
Your assumptions are, without question, racist. And your facts are wrong, counselor.
Might your ego be suffering from repeated blows of professional jealousy? Because, obviously, you ain’t Obama material. You’re not of the grade.
As to getting into Harvard in the first instance, he hasn’t released his college grades or LSAT score. If either was good enough to get into Harvard his campaign would have released the same by now to show how smart O! is. Therefore, it is pretty logical to assume he only got in b/c of AA.
I hate to spoil your fantasies of racism with cold hard facts, but there it is.
No, it wasn’t the intention of the people who set it up — but it is the result of Ric’s Rule #3: Ants find the sugar.
If you provide a way of gaining preference and power without corresponding effort, people who are hungry for preference and power will seek out ways to use that method, and will, in the process, distort or destroy anything resembling the original intention. This is the downfall of all attempts by Government to manage social interactions. Government intervention is by definition an exercise of power, and people who are hungry for power will flock to the opportunity.
I am old enough to remember when Affirmative Action was being debated (or, rather, decreed). There were many people who criticized it on precisely those terms. We were denounced as obvious racists, wishing to Keep the Black Man Down!, and our objections ridden over with contempt. I personally have no qualms about saying “I told you so”, and although I’m sorry you have to suffer for it, the fact that you keep supporting the same people who built the sorry crap to start with somewhat dilutes my sympathy.
Regards,
Ric
I think it’s more like the “pissed” when I, a white person, tell you, a pink person, that “you’re what’s left after they drain the gator swamp.”
Without going too much into it right now (time constraints / finger issues), Palin ran and was elected as a Repub. That there are libertarian and federalist streaks to her governing can’t be denied. But there’s still a reason she registers Repub.
I used the libertarian / classical lib stuff to show why she’s energized more than the social con base. Compared to McCain and Obama, she’s an author of the Federalist Papers.
– “Whenever the government tries to make social omelets, all it ends up with are broken eggs.” – (corollary to Rics rule #3)
Was that supposed to make sense thor?
Why do you expect thor to make sense? Definition of insanity, and all that.
Thorazine isn’t here to make sense Pink. He just is.
Yes people that are against AA should just totally, like, you know, “get over it”. I mean we are being discriminated against due to the sins of our second cousins great-great-great grandfather and all but it’s totally cool. All ’cause somewhere in heaven there is an old man shaking his fist yelling “They sure showed me”. Man if that guy ever gets reencarnated racism will totally be over for realz.
Mr. Pink: Contrary to popular cracker belief, not all black people benefit from Affirmative Action. Many – most even – of us get into school based on our merit – then we get a job and get on with it.
So no, I think I do have the right to bitch about it, thankyouverymuch. Clarence Thomas bitches about it even though he really did ‘benefit’ from it. What bugs is that he is probably one of the smartest people in this country, if not the world (even though he is a goddamned right-wing ratbastard) – yet at his hearings he was reduced to some substandard lout who got where he is due to quotas and how DARE he complain about them and seek to abolish them.
Oy.
Anyhoo – though this place is addictive (I can’t quit you) and I end up lurking around here WAY longer than I should, I have to get back to work.
See ya PWers.
Hey, AA got me through Yale!! It was their 12-step program that helped the most.
Weren’t you one of the old-enoughs that claimed it was actually the Republicans who passed Title IX, the Civil Rights Act of ’64, and every other piece of legislation the benefits and protects minorities?
Civil rights are the Republican’s party dress; when they’re in a party mood they like to put it on.
Thor,
your comment #228 is somewhat lacking. did I miss something?
his campaign hasnt released his college grades, LSATs et al.
he’s running on being a super-smart change of pace; I’m calling him on the change of pace and people want proof on the smart front. Because, not to be ultra-partisan, but Kerry supporters made a ton of hay about what a moron Bush was going back to Yale, and it turns out his grades were lower than Bush’s. so in the end, people who voted for Gore or Kerry based on their GPA were really voting for them on eloquence.
me, i think bringing up Obama and AA is a loser, even on the blogs. It might be true, but its cheap.
Thor the only racist in this place are the people arguing for preferences based solely on skin color and willing to vote for someone who sits in a racist church for 20 years. IMHO. Because actual racism, not bigotry, requires an action. Like the action of holding one “race” down, and pushing another up. Or excusing the actions of one person, due to the color of their skin, that you would not excuse if they were of a different color.
Hi cynn.
Comment by mcgruder on 9/3 @ 11:46 am #
I agree on all counts. We did invest alot in the “yer stupid” meme in 2004 and got egg on our faces. We better come clean now. No 1.9 GPA “October Surprise” please.
I never said all black people benefit from AA. Thanks for the comment about cracker-belief though. It gave me the warm and fuzzy.
Because racial slurs are ok if they said about white people Lisa. YES WE CAN!!!!!111!!!!!!!!
– BTW thor. Congratulations. I see the group didn’t skewer you like a corpulent porker on a Austin grill, and you didn’t eat your face.
– Two atta-boys in one day. You’re on a roll.
Lisa, you’d make a really cute token female Republican Veep appointment, except of your being overqualified and proud to be black, of course. If you dumb yourself down and thin down your resume, in four years, who knows!
Wow thor, so black Republicans are not “proud to be black”? Dude you are a freakin idiot.
Well, thor, if you go back and look at the actual legislative history, yeah, that’s pretty much it. It wasn’t Republicans who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, after all, and the signatures on the Emancipation Proclamation and the order to send the National Guard to Arkansas were those of Republicans.
Party dress? Fair enough. Civil Rights are the Democrats’ field camouflage — when they want to destroy something they dress appropriately.
Regards,
Ric
Another angry Honky got his ears boxed. Pink eared crack’ah, neener nah-nah!
Ah, at least you’re giving a nod of the head to my implication that both parties parade around in the civil rights’ paper hat come party time.
Let it be said that on this day bloviating Ric met blustery thor at the half-way point on a bridge and agreed to shake hands.
Ric,
I like the cut of your jib – do you have a proper annotated *list* of your rules? Or is #3 the only one?
thor: “Let it be said that on this day bloviating Ric met blustery thor at the half-way point on a bridge and agreed to shake hands.”
Damn it, thor… FINE! — go ahead and act all reasonable…
*mutters* Just you wait when the stars are right… then see what happens…
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 9/3 @ 12:09 pm #
LOL. I love you guys.
Okay I am really leaving this time. Fer real.
PS. Thor rules.
Shut up, thor. You’re wasting oxygen that sentient people could be using.
PSS. But JD is a god.
Thor,
You can call me racist all you want. It is not an argument and does not refute mine. Sorry.
I think AA is racist. I think AA is bad. I’m pretty confident that Obama got into Harvard on AA and it is proven that he got onto Law Review through AA, as it is reported he did not grade-on or write-on.
Thus, my facts are simply facts, not racism.
As to professional jeaolousy, I always have some limited envy of those who do bigger and better things than me and are roughly the same age or younger. However, I would never want to be in the public like O!, and frankly, he is a talented politician and I would never measure up to that. So, if you are saying I will never be a presidential candidate, you are right. However, I actually practice law and he never did and likley never will, so I can’t measure myself against him as to my professional career. (My guess is that he would be a damn good trial lawyer though).
But, that does not change the facts that he was more than likely an AA admission and definitely an AA admission onto the law review.
The thing is, whenever actual LSAT and college scores have been released, they have shown that the AA policies at Law Schools are not one of a slight variation to admit african-americans, but signifant variations. That is why school will not release the data, even public schools. That should tell us something. GTown had an article in 1991 or 1992 by a student who worked in admissions and secretly got hold of the data, and printed an article with the data showing that the difference in admissions standards were drastic. It caused quite the uproar. California is being sued to release its data.
Why are they so scared to let the data go.
O! is running on the fact that he is allegedly some kind of prodigy. The biggest thing talked about is his Harvard Law degree and Law REview Editor status. If the data (i.e., his college grades and LSAT score) supported his “brilliance” the same would be released. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.
AA causes more problems than merely resentment among blacks that they are looked at askance. It causes it to actually happen and it causes resentment in whites. It also creates bad incentives, as some studies indicate it causes minority students to work less hard and rely on AA. Other studies show that over-promotion to a better school causes more failure amongst african-american students. Thus, AA is causing more harm then good and I would guess that AA today causes far more racial hostility than any good it allegedly does.
As to my point about O!. I am merely responding to the few qualifications his followers routinely point to and demonstrating that they are not quite as solid as they believe.
The argument about legacy admissions has merit – I happen to be against those as well. I don’t really understand why b/c a father went to a school, his son or daughter should automatically get in. As to $$, I do understand why a school would lower standards to admit someone if they got a huge donation from the family. Hopefully, that would be kept to a very minimum of students though.
I must say – the arguemnt about W only getting into school b/c of being a legacy was and still is routinely made by the left, can’t see why they are getting into such a huff that the same basic argument is made about O! And, in fact, as others have said, the left should be proud that one of their favorite programs, AA, is a proven success in this case.
The anger that this engenders should actually alert the left who get angry to the real problems with AA.
“The point i was making was in agreement with Lisa that if Biden’s kid was knocked up in Wilmington HS or wherever, there would be a lot of eyebrows raised on the right.”
Dammit, no there wouldn’t.
There’d be prayers, a few “I hope she makes the right choices in the future” and a few “Good Lucks”
The black-hearted, mordorish hatred comes from the reactionary left, not the right.
One last thing,
I originally commmented in response to Lisa who stated something about Obama being some kind of great scholar. My point was simply that there is no evidence to support that and to demonstrate that the evidence we do have tends to refute it. (being a “great scholar” and being smart are two different things). I asked Lisa to cite to anything demonstrating great scholarship by O! Haven’t seen it yet.
The Democrat Party has always been the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and socialism.
Great Banana: Well he received a JD from Harvard Law and graduated Magna Cum Laude. What is that, in the second highest percentile? Pretty skollerly soundin’ to me.
But what do I know.
The Democrat Party? Have we shorten the party names now out of expediency?
Wow. Harvard? For real?
Lisa,
Yes, he is well educated and did well at Harvard. I think you were trying to claim that he is a scholar, which is something more than simply being well educated and doing well in school – it usually entails doing scholarly research and writing peer-reviewed scholarly articles.
– Yeh yeh Lisa…..but can he field dress a moose?
– Huh, huh. Top that one if yah can.
My guess would be once he got into Harvard with AA, if he was ‘clean’ and ‘articulate’, it’d be pretty easy to stay within the machine.
I find it risible in the extreme that anyone should defend him obscuring his academic credentials since they’re his only (plausible) claim of genius.
Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law is top 10%. I have no idea whether that’s a standard, everywhere.
I think the notion that Obama got into his stint at the HLR because of AA is at a minimum, highly questionable. I wouldn’t make that argument without some modicum of evidence, and neither should anyone else.
Also, the notion that Obama got good grades because of AA is highly questionable. WTF? AA boosts up your GPA? I thought AA was just an admissions thing.
Slart –
Absolutely – Point taken.
And I’m sure we’d all love to see that evidence. I mean, you’d expect him to be kinda stoked about being up there in the top 10%, wouldn’t you? I mean, establishing his academic credentials to differentiate himself from that noted buffoon, W.
I guess it’s possible that Obama’s just a modest guy who really doesn’t want to toot his own horn about his accomlishments, and finds the whole issue unimaginably tawdry.
Slart,
I think the notion that Obama got into his stint at the HLR because of AA is at a minimum, highly questionable. I wouldn’t make that argument without some modicum of evidence, and neither should anyone else.
O! does not claim to have graduated with honors from undergrad. As a logical conclusion, he therefore could not have had the requisit grades to get into Harvard. Ipso Facto, AA must have played a roll.
Or, are you telling me that Harvard Law, the most prestigious law school in the country is admitting average undergraduate students absent affirmative action?
I find that hard to logically believe. Sorry, the evidence points, pretty convincingly, to O! being an AA admission at Harvard Law.
He doesn’t toot his own horn about his accomplishments, that is certain. Could be he doesn’t have suitable accomplishments to toot on while campaigning for the Presidency.
He does say things like: “…this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal…
… this was the moment when we ended a war, and secured our nation, and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. …”
Just a modest guy. That’s him.
Slart,
Nobody made the claim that O! got good grades at Harvard b/c of AA.
Getting in and getting good grades once there are 2 different things.
And, I would love to see his grades. Considering that he is running for president based entirely on his “judgment”, aren’t his college and law school grades relevant?
I thought you got elected to the law review. No? If so it helps if you’re black cause Harvard people vote based on skin color.
Elected to the head of the law review I mean.
Also, aside from some people on blogs, where is the evidence that he graduated in the top 10% of his law school class? I would like to see that evidence.
Checking that someone actually got the grade their proxies claimed they did is so ungentlemanly, Banana. I’m very disappointed in you.
To question our betters in this way speaks ill of your character.
LOL BBH. I bet he would shit his pants at the sight of a moose.
Okay so because Obama does not brag about his undergraduate grades, he is ipso facto a dunce and got into Harvard on the Negro Free Lunch Gravy Train? That is quite a logical acrobatical feat.
LOL.
Not at all Lisa. But to assume that he is as smart as he claims, with no substantiating evidence, is JUST as foolish.
Where’s your sense of wonder? Where’s your curiosity? Don’t you think that knowing JUST how smart he is would be … like … helpful in establishing just how suitable he is for the job?
I’m surprised you didn’t use a LOLCat link.
C’mon. You’re just a partisan hack.
Banana you are being kind of slippery, budinksy. You did pretty much say that since he never talks about his UG grades, they must suck, ergo he must have gotten into Harvard on AA.
Banana, according to the Harvard Crimson, he did indeed graduate Magna Cum Laude.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516664
Bod, grown ups are talking, go sit down and play with your teething ring.
Banana you might be right. He might be dumber than a dirt sandwich. But the evidence (so far) points in the other direction. I am certainly not going to make the assumption than he was a stellar undergrad (Kerry’s embarassing duncehood stands as a lesson to all).
Bod, when has Obama claimed to be smart? Give me one teensy quote, fool. Just one.
Lisa, you’re not addressing what I think is a legitimate issue. And I think that’s no accident.
If I turn up at an interview with a press clipping from my Alma Mater and no other evidence of my qualifications, I won’t get a job. Why should I be held to a more exacting standard that the prospective President of the United States?
You’re not a very good
lawyerliar.
Lisa, I’d hope you’d want an appointee for the President to be well qualified, and hopefully smart – or are you subject to this ‘soft bigorty of low expectations’ think I hear so much about.
Lisa,
Banana you are being kind of slippery, budinksy. You did pretty much say that since he never talks about his UG grades, they must suck, ergo he must have gotten into Harvard on AA.
Uhh, no that is not even remotely true. I’m saying that his undergraduate grades were probably not good enough to get into Harvard Law outside of AA. That is not the same as saying they suck. I had a 3.89 undergraduate GPA and was in the top 1% of LSAT scores, yet was turned down by Harvard and Yale law. What is the difference between the gpa and LSAT score required of a white applicant and a black applicant – that is what I am wondering. From data I have seen, the difference is significant, not .01 gpa and 1% LSAT.
Also, I pointed out that he did not graduate with honors from undergrad, which seems to pretty clearly support that he got into Harvard on AA. I doubt very much that there are any white Harvard Law Students who were not top 5% of their college class. Now, that doesn’t mean that his undergrad grades suck, just that he is not the brilliant mind that his followers claim. He’s a smart guy, I never said otherwise. So, please stop putting words in my mouth and arguing with a strawman.
Hey Thor,
Do you have a point?
I always wonder if you think you are making a point when you write your juvenile b.s.
What lie did I make? Please, tell me.
Lisa,
I accept, based on your citation, that he graduated Magna.
Again, obviously he is very smart (I doubt very much that I would be able to do as well as he did at Harvard Law).
But, these are the kind of questions I find it amazing that the media never ask.
And, again, if he did get into Harvard on AA, you would think the left would be proud of that fact rather than angry that people bring it up.
Doesn’t that reaction in and of itself say something about what people really think about AA?
Put another way, if AA is so great, why does Thor think it is racist of me to even suggest AA played a role in O! getting into Harvard?
Someone from within Harvard was quieted after they violated confidentiality and revealed Obama did not receive AA preference.
Big fat liar.
You lie.
You can recognize lies?
“Obama didn’t even tell Harvard Law School that he was black on his application.“
Look it up.
All your pants are on fire! PpPpPpPpP!
Got a link, thor? No, of course you don’t. You’re a liar.
A week ago you people would’a claimed you wouldn’t poke Sarah Palin with a tug boat pole, much less your cocks, but now, now she’s the most bendable MILF in America.
Don’t start lying again, G-Banana. You wouldn’t have picked her out of a prison line-up a week ago.
I can’t wait to hear Snow White-trash blubber tonight! “Wave to Trig, everyone! He’s got his Daddy’s grin and his Mommy’s overbite and his sister’s stray eye!”
You got the internet, PabLiar? I’ve got the link right here. But I wanna see you beg, make a big show on your knees!
What’s the magic word, Liar! C’mon, just like old times, stay right there while I get my aluminum bat of links.
I can’t wait to hear Snow White-trash blubber tonight! “Wave to Trig, everyone! He’s got his Daddy’s grin and his Mommy’s overbite and his sister’s stray eye!â€Â
Sorry you guys, but I lol’d at that one.
Lisa: “Okay so because Obama does not brag about his undergraduate grades, he is ipso facto a dunce and got into Harvard on the Negro Free Lunch Gravy Train? That is quite a logical acrobatical feat. ”
Don’t you worry your little head a whit, Lisa… I’, sure Biden can persuaded to boast enough for both of them.
Any of you guys have a list of Biden’s accomplishments? Just post ’em here. Shouldn’t take much room.
Well, he knows how to scan famous speeches for the useful quotes. AND, he is a recycler!
The word is “nothing”, as in you’ve got nothing. That pathetic little shaft you’ve got in your hand ain’t aluminum, either. So quit polishing it because you’re making a mess. At least have the decency to go to your bunk.
Lisa. Nobody,least of all me, is questioning his intelligence. Many people of lesser lights have achieved public office.Besides his sincerity, I question his political provenance. He is not, in my opinion, what he is projecting himself to be.
“Seems the GOP establishment in AK hates Palin almost as much as establishment feminists do.”
Anything hated by establishment feminists is, ipso facto baby, a good deal.
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