Although it looks like Human Events broke the story, the Chicago Sun-Times has more details (so consider this an update to Dan’s post):
Chicago Sun-Times columnist Robert Novak said today he has been diagnosed with a brain tumor but says that, “God willing,†he plans to be back at work soon. Novak said he was diagnosed Sunday with a tumor and will soon begin treatment at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. He issued the following statement: “On Sunday, July 27, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. I have been admitted to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, where doctors will soon begin appropriate treatment. “I will be suspending my journalistic work for an indefinite but, God willing, not too lengthy period.” Novak is alert and talking  he wrote the statement announcing his illness  but in intensive care, where the hospital does not allow phone calls or flowers, according to his assistant, Kathleen Connolly.
TMZ is already wondering if the tumor was a factor in last week’s incident, where Novak struck a 66-year-old pedestrian with his Corvette.
They are probably already switching off the comments section at the Huffington Post.
They never opened the comments. Good on them.
Right you are Karl. Comments are closed at Huffpo.
Courage.
If Ted’s could beat this, anyone’s can beat this.
Yeah, it was kind of like betting on a sunrise in the east.
So there is something wrong with closing the comments the story of someone having brain cancer? Don’t be a stupid bastard Karl. I think EVERYONE should do that in these cases. I hope other online publications follow their lead.
Well the fact that they HAVE to do it shows something about their readership.
“Don’t be a stupid bastard Karl.”
Don’t take that advice, Karl. We love you as you are.
#5: Lisa,
I applaud HuffPo for doing it. It’s just sad that they know they pretty much have to do it to avoid being embarrassed by their core readership.
I disagree, LIsa. Are you suggesting that comments should be closed on all announcements of negative or tragic news? I think the issue, is the last time something similar happened (Tony Snow), some at HuffPo tried to be respectful and got ripped.
Karl I do not think they are embarrased by their core readership. Half their contributors write garbage just as vile. I honestly think they cater to people like the ones you see post “rot in hell” after an article on Tony Snow’s death.
Lisa, I people ought to be decent and control their baser selves in these cases.
I SAY, etc.
Mr. Pink,
It is routine now for the HuffPo to close comments on this sort of news — and IIRC they did on Tony Snow’s death also — precisely because they know what the comments would look like. At the very least, the HuffPo gets that it’s bad PR for them and their fellow travelers.
Pink – it’s an ugly mob.
They can sanitize their commenters, but we know they’re still there.
You are right on that account it would be bad PR. I was just saying HuffPo provides a friendly enviornment for those people, and is trying to profit off them. I was just disagreeing with the term “embarrased” because I do not think they feel that emotion at all.
Oh, now that didn’t take long. Think Progress is on the case!
Karl Yahoo! had to do the same thing. I am not sure what you are getting at (I am sure it is something about liberals being terrible). The really big sites that DON’T get regularly embarassed – conservative or liberal either heavily police their comments or close them.
Being an imature fuckhead is pretty endemic to the internets, which is why I have gotten so bored with blogs in general. I dont’ mind coarseness and heated arguments, but everything has its place – and someone’s deathbed is not the place to be having it out or capering about like an asshole. This site happens to be one of the few that is peopled with clever grown-ups.
Here is a gem of a comment on that ThinkProgress link. I guess Novak is “faking” it.
lokidog Says:
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Interesting this comes out when the “heat†is on this POS for hit and run, being “used and abused†by the McInsane camp (according to Novak), and for just generally being an ahole of a windbag.
Joliet, IL has much to be embarrassed for, but Novak is #1.
Just go away Novak. No sympathy for you here. You’re aiding and abetting this criminal administration in treasonous activity will be your well deserved legacy. Say “hi†to Reagan when you get to Hell.
They’re running about 29 horrible comments, to 6.
My first thought is to say a prayer for Mr. Novak and his family because that is the only real important part. My second is to avoid finding out what the usual suspects will be saying because it’ll be ugly for no good reason.
A fine lot there at TP. Yglesias is going to fit right in.
Karl as someone who has experience running a blog I wanted to ask you if you think these sites like TP and HuffPo cater to these maniacs?
OH, and they are editing/deleting the comments at TP with great speed.
Lisa,
The point is not that liberals are terrible. The point is that some of them are — just as you have previously noted that some on the Right are. You and I might disagree on what the proportion is. A commenter at ThinkProgress went back throught the Kennedy thread at FreeRepublic to lift a few comments, and (as previously discussed here) a number were deleted by the moderators. But if you added all of those up it’s still likely fewer than the number of truly vile comments in the ThinkProgress thread already. Some of that might be age — the Right tends to skew older and has a bit more of a grip on mortality. But some I would argue is due to the tendency on the Left to conflate the personal and the political on a more regular basis.
Since when is Tim Russert a “Bush/Cheney enabler”?
And – apparently – accurately recounting historical events is considered a “personal attack” nowadays….
It also looks like the death toll of Iraqi civilians now has climbed to 1.2 million. In a country the size of Iraq that would be like the freakin Holocaust, do these people have any connection with reality?
Carin,
Yep, massive scrubbing — and without indicating such, as FreeRepublic does.
So you are left with comments like “For those of you gloating and celebrating the tumor, karma works both ways,” seemingly responding to no one.
Still up at the moment:
…and so on.
The first couple (now gone) were pretty bad too.
and I’m supposed to feel bad?:
2 stolens elections
2 illegal preemptive wars
our State Sponsored Terrorism (see 9/11)
4,000+ men and women dying in 2 illegal Oil Wars
So the war in Afghanistan is illegal? Wow thats a new one. I also did not know they had oil there. Another shocking find by the reality based community.
Karl makes a good point, but I think something that is missed is the question of what drives the need to step in and give the old ‘yeah well everyone does it’ excuse while one side is currently doing it? More, to say nothing to the side that is currently involved in the hateful speech , and instead decide the side that is pointing it out is the one that needs a talking to.
http://www.digitalfuntown.com has some more details and information about the situation.
“So the war in Afghanistan is illegal? Wow thats a new one. I also did not know they had oil there. Another shocking find by the reality based community.”
I would imagine he’s referring to the pipelines.
Teh irony, it’s stifling.
This hatred should be directed against terrorists. Oh sorry they think we ARE the terrorists so this is perfectly justified in their minds.
You’ve missed the latest report from their source, the Bureau for Pulling Exagerrations Out of Nowhere (PEON), and it’s up to not less than a bazillion, with each and every one of them laid directly at Bush’s feet.
Damn him anyway! I still blame him for my stubbed toe.
Yah, well, remember, “idiotarian” was coined to refer just as much to the righty nut jobs as the lefties. Those who get lumped in with the right in the US have no qualms criticizing others on the right, but even those just slightly to the left cannot stand seeing others on the left called out on anything.
#29: Carin,
The first few were the ones to which I was referring, though a number of the other more vile comments have been deleted as well.
BarrettBrown what was he referring to when he said 911 was our State Sponsored Terrorism? Maybe you could clear that one up for me.
Oh, the pipelines, Barrett! How are those coming, BTW?
What? They were never built? Michael Moore is going to be pissed, I tells ya!
#28 The funniest thing about that list of complaints has to be “A dumber society.” HAHA!!
Rob, that one’s a hoot.
Also, I await the arrival of SEK to condemn us for pointing out someone else’s vile comments, rather than condemning the vile comments themselves at the source.
Huffington Post’s entry on Novak is closed to commenters.
I stopped reading those comments after about 5 seconds but I put 100 dollars down right now saying someone mentions AIPAC. Any takers?????
“BarrettBrown what was he referring to when he said 911 was our State Sponsored Terrorism? Maybe you could clear that one up for me.”
He’s saying that the U.S. government perpetrated 9/11. Let me know if you need any more help.
#44: Yes, already duly noted in #’s 1 &2.
“Oh, the pipelines, Barrett! How are those coming, BTW?”
It’s not going very well, actually.
Barrett,
Clearly, the point is being lost on you. We already know the answers you are giving, but are highlighting the charges as a way of pointing out that those who make them are lunatics.
But thanks for playing right into it.
I comment here, versus there, because then I know it won’t be deleted. Besides, over there – you’re just whistling in the wind.
What pipelines?
And what’s your reaction to that claim?
“Barrett,
Clearly, the point is being lost on you. We already know the answers you are giving, but are highlighting the charges as a way of pointing out that those who make them are lunatics.”
I’m aware. I’m answering questions literally because explaining that I don’t agree with every single person that you guys disagree with has been very difficult.
“But thanks for playing right into it.”
No problem!
Jack: How does one get to continually expand one’s titles?
I’m impressed.
I’ll write exactly the same thing for Novak that I wrote for Kennedy:
I pray for him and his family, for healing or peace, as God wills.
See? That wasn’t so hard!
Nope Karl (#28), there were others even worse. I should have copied.
“What pipelines?”
The Trans-Afghanistan pipeline is the only one of which I am aware. It’s not going to be finished in the foreseeable future.
“And what’s your reaction to that claim?”
That he is incorrect about this.
This really depends on what kind of tumor it is. If it’s benign, he may barely skip a beat, or at worst wind up like Arlen Specter who had a meningioma removed several years ago. Though we don’t really need another RINO…
If it’s malignant, like Senator Anvilhead’s, that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.
Lisa,
Would you have this thread closed to comments, love?
See what happens when some think “Farenheit 911” was a real documentory?
Hilarity ensues!
And that’s it, of course.
No judgement on the fellow’s sanity/mental faculties? No thoughts about being part of a political movement that lets those thoughts thrive? That even celebrates them?
“No judgement on the fellow’s sanity/mental faculties?”
Probably a douchebag and not particularly brilliant.
“No thoughts about being part of a political movement that lets those thoughts thrive?”
And which political movement do I belong to?
“That even celebrates them?”
Do they dance?
Those who get lumped in with the right in the US have no qualms criticizing others on the right, but even those just slightly to the left cannot stand seeing others on the left called out on anything.
I tend to agree, but for the life of me I cannot nail down why this should be so. Is it a maturity level thing, or some need to believe that you are on the side of the good and thus nothing your side does can be wrong? I don’t know, but I do know that I grow weary of the idea that there are so many out there who would gladly see harm come to me because they could label my views as conservative. I also grow weary from knowing that my “side”, or at least the professional political caste within it, is made up of what seems to be entirely self serving jackals.
Bah. Maybe it’s just a bad case of the post Jeff quitting Mondays.
#53 I sold the most bean pies and copies of the Final Call for the month. Sold them all to white kids in Austin who I convinced that simply voting Obama and listening to rap wasn’t going to cut it. I got a title and a new bow tie.
Is it too soon to go back and review the “Evil Neocon Deliberately Runs Old Man Over” posts from our friends in the Proggosphere? Wasn’t it Yglesias that likened Novak’s evil driving to strolling down the sidewalk shooting people?
O!
Based on your stands here, and the attitude you have towards the regulars here, you’re at the least leaning left.
If it’s any help, the other side’s professional political class is even worse: they court the barely constrained violence, condone it, and, I think, pump it up a bit.
Jack, Etc.: Porkpie hat?
“Based on your stands here, and the attitude you have towards the regulars here, you’re at the least leaning left.”
I see. I’d better cancel some of my magazine subscriptions.
If it’s any help, the other side’s professional political class is even worse: they court the barely constrained violence, condone it, and, I think, pump it up a bit.
I’m being a baby, don’t mind me. It is as it always is. It can’t be ignored and it seems as if it won’t be changed.
I think Karl nailed it way up there in #25. I would like to see politicians who I strongly dislike to RETIRE. Go away. I don’t want them to die. I would LOVE it if Kwame Kilpatrick decided, tomorrow, that he wanted to open a restaurant on the East side (we need more restaurants over there) and leave politics forever. I would cheer and dance.
If he got killed in a car accident … not so much. I would – gasp – feel bad.
I feel this way, because I really don’t think ANY American politician is evil incarnate. Castro … Chavez … Amalongadingdong – yes. But not even Pelosi dying would be cause for a grave dance.
I think the left honestly conflates Rethuglians to the evil masterminds of the world. That is why they say what they do.
Or you could do a better job expressing yourself.
Amend that to “some on the left.” Or “too many on the left.”
If you CAN, Barrett. I’ve been trying to cancel a “Time” subscription for two years. Bastards won’t acknowledge it.
BJ – Oh hell yeah man. I caught the wave when Louie F came and spoke at my campus thanks to the effort of student leader Conrad Tillard who became Conrad X Tillard who became Conrad Muhammad who became Conrad X Muhammad. He was a big man on campus along with a black student op-ed columnist for the student paper who frequently peppered his pieces with references to how “the whites especially the Jews” got special treatment on campus.
“Or you could do a better job expressing yourself.”
That would be less trouble, I guess. What I’d like to express is that it’s a little silly to be spending so much time attacking others for writing tasteless comments about Robert Novak’s health problems seeing as how one of your own commenters is perfectly happy to write that Robert Novak should have run over the lawyer who flagged him down the other day because, you see, he was a “classic lefty,” and seeing as how the rest of you are perfectly happy to let comments like that go unremarked upon. There is plenty of tasteless behavior to be found in both of your parties.
Whoa a little research and there’s the now Rev. Conrad Tillard’s webpage and he’s now a Baptist Minister and he studied under James Cone who was the mentor of Reverend Wright. Weird coincidences.
http://www.revconradbtillard.org/pages/bio.php
Jack, etc.: On my campus? I guess I missed the movement at Penn in the seventies. I was too busy having a running feud with a socialist who wrote in the DP that all Wharton students were “tools of oppression.” I beat him senseless in an answering letter, asking him to please convey his expertise so that we could know which schools at Penn were given the hallowed “OK” by Mr. Socialist. What a boob he was!
The funny thing: I was pretty liberal and almost entirely secular at the time. It was the start of my move to the right, culminating in my “aha” moment when I heard Reagan speak in 1980 after beating myself to death for three and a half years for voting for Jimmah.
There is plenty of tasteless behavior to be found in both of your parties.
Plenty of tasteless behavior equating to one supposed and unlinked comment on the one side vs. the dozens that haven’t been purged on the other. Good job on reinforcing to yourself what you wanted to find Mr. Brown.
Oh, pardon my lapse of memory, BJ. I forgot that you are a fellow Quaker! The irony was that my Penn experience beat the punk rock lefty clear out of me. I rode the subway to Penn and washed dishes in the dining hall to afford the educations and the rank hypocrisy of ivy league progressives was a glaring, blinding eye-opener.
I can’t believe I said “educations.” PIMF. I should have just gone whole-hog and said “Edumucations.”
Lisa: “Yahoo! had to do the same thing. I am not sure what you are getting at (I am sure it is something about liberals being terrible).”
As a whole, likely not… that said, the MoveOn / Kossacks would rise to the occasion, like turds in a punchbowl.
BB: “one of your own commenters is perfectly happy to write that Robert Novak should have run over the lawyer who flagged him down the other day because, you see, he was a “classic lefty,†and seeing as how the rest of you are perfectly happy to let comments like that go unremarked upon.”
Mayhap you were unaware, but lawyer jokes have been a staple pretty much as old as the profession itself. I hear they’re going to replace white rats with lawyers in LD 50 testing — the testers don’t get nearly as attached to the lawyers and, frankly, there are a few things a rat just won’t do.
But, hey, today has been a step up from your usual freshman philosphy class bupkis, so keep up the good work.
Yeah, the mote in our eyes is pretty bad compared to the fucking plank in theirs.
“Plenty of tasteless behavior equating to one supposed and unlinked comment on the one side vs. the dozens that haven’t been purged on the other.
That would be an incredible indictment if I had been making the case that the entire conservative movement has produced only one ridiculous blog comment in the history of the conservative blogdom.
Sure would Barrett. It’s also pretty incredible to think you have found equivalence between, say, Protein Wisdom and Think Progress.
What is truly telling is that I do remember a couple left wing blogs posting articles sympathetic to Saddam Hussein after his death. I guess when a Republican dies they do not get the same compassion.
But then you’re really not interested in honesty are you Barrett, considering the reasonableness of your jumping to the “entire conservative movement” as a baseline, especially when the conversation has, to this point, been a little more limited. Good show sir.
Yeah, sure would.
Just who the hell’s making that argument?
“Yeah, the mote in our eyes is pretty bad compared to the fucking plank in theirs.”
Obviously, the comments here are better than those one finds at The Huffington Post, but my point is that none of you feel the need to condemn such things when they are done here, however rarely they may be done here, but are happy to condemn others for such things. If you are truly opposed to something, you are not just opposed to it in large quantities.
Care to provide a link to the offending comment? It seems likely that one comment among many could either be misconstrued, missed, or simply ignored due to it being solitary.
I suppose you have spent equal time over at Think Progress condemning them? Since that seems to be what you are getting at and all.
Or… we realize the difference between the rare exception and the predictable practice.
“Or… we realize the difference between the rare exception and the predictable practice.”
Or… you really don’t care about the practice to begin with, as evidenced by the fact that you do not condemn it when it is done by someone with whom you agree on fundamental issues.
“Care to provide a link to the offending comment? It seems likely that one comment among many could either be misconstrued, missed, or simply ignored due to it being solitary.”
Ah, the ol’ “solitary” defense. Here’s the comment link:
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=12979#comment-489008
“I suppose you have spent equal time over at Think Progress condemning them? Since that seems to be what you are getting at and all.”
I don’t read Think Progress.
Be honest with me now, Barrett. You raised a clenched fist after you wrote that.
Come on, now, you can admit it! Made you feel like Juan Carlos at the Olympics, didn’t it? :-) Powah, babee!
The lawyer comment was more about lawyers than about an individual personality. The level of humanity is significantly higher than someone saying they have no sympathy for someone with a deadly disease merely because they have a different political philosophy. You are comparing a three day old Honey Crisp to a rotted Granny Smith.
That having been said, I would hope that if someone came to this blog and said something similar about Ted Kennedy that we’d jump on them just as fast as we jumped on Think Progress. I have that kind of faith in this community.
Except for JD who’s just plain nuts.
Sarah W. I agree that people should indeed control their base instincts. Though I have never had even the basest instinct to spit on a sick person or dance on their grave, even if I thought they were an asshole. I think Karl, the fucking fucker, is right that there are way too many people on the left who conflate the poltiical with the personal…and wear that kind of behavior as a badge of honor or a measure of purity.
I have noticed that even at places where Bob Novak is routinely joked about as the Dark Handmaiden of Satan they have shut up. That is promising.
“Be honest with me now, Barrett. You raised a clenched fist after you wrote that.”
I will admit to nothing without my lawyer present.
“The lawyer comment was more about lawyers than about an individual personality.”
The problem, it seemed, was not that he was a lawyer, but rather that he was a lawyer with a bike who may thus be expected to be a person with a different political philosophy that the commenter, who clearly had no sympathy for him.
“The level of humanity is significantly higher than someone saying they have no sympathy for someone with a deadly disease merely because they have a different political philosophy.”
See what I did there?
“You are comparing a three day old Honey Crisp to a rotted Granny Smith.”
This is the fifth time someone has told me that today. I should probably be more careful with my comparisons.
Just kidding. Seriously, “The level of humanity is significantly higher”? Let’s pull up that quote again:
“Should have run down the lawyer on the bike–sounds like a classic lefty–and done the world a favor.”
I don’t have my Level-O-Humanity Meter 9000 on me at the moment, but I’m going to go ahead and stick with my guns on this one.
“…but my point is…”
Why didn’t you just say that in the first place, then?
Carin I think that when it comes to an announcement that someone is dying of cancer or their child died….really anything that you would not honk about at the watercooler if your friend or coworker were going through such a thing….those should have the comments closed. It is just creepy to have people commenting on a news site. If you want to pay your respects, send a nice note to his or her email or the email of their employer. Just my opinion.
“Why didn’t you just say that in the first place, then?”
I was busy defending myself against charges of wholesale something-or-other, as well as discussing the oil business with my new friends here.
No, that’s not it.
LOL @ “charges of wholesale something-or-other”.
We’ll agree to disagree. He didn’t even know the lawyer’s name and it was more of a throwaway line . Not very nice and not something I would do, but still a throwaway.
Being given specific news of someone sick or dying and wishing for their death/eternal condemnation simply because one has a fevered image of war criminals or hatred is beyond the ability of the Humanity Detector 9000’s capabilities.
So, you see, neither is nice, one is much worse than the other. not to mention the fact that you had to cull about 200 comments to find that one.
I knew you raised a fist! Did you put on a black glove first? Sweet!
Why is he in intensive care? I don’t get that.
God I feel terrible for laughing at the jokes about him running over the pedestrian. Shit.
“We’ll agree to disagree.”
Well, it’s pretty outside anyway. Take it easy, gentlemen.
It is nice outside, Barett. The birds are singing in the sky… now that the spring is in the air and little children everywhere.
I think I may have spelled your name wrong though.
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Comment by Barrett Brown on 7/28 @ 12:04 pm #
“So the war in Afghanistan is illegal? Wow thats a new one. I also did not know they had oil there. Another shocking find by the reality based community.â€Â
I would imagine he’s referring to the pipelines.”
Sheesh, who’d be stupid enough to pull the old, exploded “Afghan pipeline” canard out of their ass?
Or… you really don’t care about the practice to begin with, as evidenced by the fact that you do not condemn it when it is done by someone with whom you agree on fundamental issues.
Care to point out an example or few?
We’re on an honor system of self-condemnation, here. Plus, some of us sensible folks think it’s redundant to point out what’s obviously stupid and/or offensive.
That’s my excuse, and I’m sticking with it.
I was busy defending myself against charges of wholesale something-or-other
Say, did you ever turn up a link with the details on Obama’s Afghanistan policy? You know, the one about which you “gave your word” that you’d admit you were wrong if you couldn’t find it?
Tell me why anyone here should bother debating you on any subject whatsoever.
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Comment by Barrett Brown on 7/28 @ 1:30 pm #
“Why didn’t you just say that in the first place, then?â€Â
I was busy defending myself against charges of wholesale something-or-other, as well as discussing the oil business with my new friends here.”
I don’t know, this guy gives me the creeps. He writes like some sort of reactionary leftist zombie.
Obviously, the comments here are better than those one finds at The Huffington Post, but my point is that none of you feel the need to condemn such things when they are done here, however rarely they may be done here, but are happy to condemn others for such things. If you are truly opposed to something, you are not just opposed to it in large quantities.
I believe “I” got taken to task – here at PW – when TK’s tumor was announced for making the crass comment “Mary Jo Kopechne has no comment.” So, you know, you’re wrong.
I’m waiting for Barrett Brown’s I was a life-long Republican, until Bush …. comment.
N. O’Brain, he seems really nice and rather clever to me. But I am just the visiting Marxist Crank so I don’t really count.
Oooo, I’d be careful, Lisa.
Marxist Crank is addictive.
Besides, you sound human in your comments.
Barrett Brown are you the guy who wrote that very funny book about creationism? Or is your name in homage to that Barrett Brown?
LOL, N. O’Brain.
Lisa, while I may not agree with some of what you say, it’s clear to all that you are far too intelligent to be a friggin’ Marxist.
Gotta love Rachael Lucas:
“I think this is a good time to call someone Sugar-Tits.”
“The New York Times wrote about about the Blogher conference (it’s a “community for women who blogâ€Â! yeeeee!), which complained about “blogging’s glass ceiling†and how all these women bloggers are so powerful and creative and smart yet just can’t get taken as seriously as men’s blogs such as DailyKos. Which, who takes DailyKos seriously? That’s really the big question on my mind.”
http://tinyurl.com/5bp7fb
I don’t believe Mr. Brown has provided enough information in his comments here to reach even tentative conclusions as to his political beliefs and predispositions. He does leave a possible hint, however: “…There is plenty of tasteless behavior to be found in both of your parties. …”. The hint I find is “…both of your…” It may be telling, it may not.
He does have a web presence elsewhere however and with a bit of search and reading you may learn something else informative.
In the meantime, throwing labels at him and jumping to conclusions about him will only give him the ammunition he needs to demonstrate the lack of good faith you display, which act you would condemn in him, were your positions reversed.
I have the same feeling, sdferr, which is why I’ve avoided trying to label him.
Libertarian, maybe?
Speaking of tumor thingies… NG is gonna do this. It’s where you give your hair for kids that don’t have any. She just has three more inches to go. These are sort of what the people she helps look like. I think that’s very cool really.
you are far too intelligent to be a friggin’ Marxist.
Technically, there are two types of Marxists: stupid and evil (with some overlap, of course — those aren’t mutually exclusive).
Lisa is neither.
Hey, label me!
J/k. I’m still in shock about JeffG’s announcement this past weekend. Leave town for a few days and see what I miss. Crap.
Oh, it’s all in good fun, Sdferr. If he can’t take a joke, frak’em.
I understand the fun Carin. I also understand the pinch Mr Brown has doled out around about isn’t taken to happily by some. But I also think I know reasoning when I see it and on account of that, I just saying, y’know, watch with the unfounded accusations is all. They can turn about to bite.
Barrett is likeable enough I think.
I haven’t accused him of anything (except my joke about being a former Rethug – because I always get a kick out of them!)- since I’ve pretty much not really had the opportunity to read his POV explicitly spelled out. He seems to kinda tap-dance around the edges of an argument.
I don’t recall you being among his accusers either Carin. Tap-dancing is an artform in the feet of a Gene Kelly, say.
#108
Not creepy , just trying to be lawyer like in his reasoning. Not real sucessful.
Oh come now. Nothing can possibly compare the scintillating wit and clever turns-of-phrase crafted by thor that just cause everyone to erupt in belly laughs and tear wipes accompanied by “oh it’s so true…it’s so true!!”
Eh? All he’s ever done is argue in bad faith.
Perhaps he’s the fellow who wrote this:
If that’s him, he’s a dishonest asshole. What a pity he hasn’t the intellectual honesty to discuss Bennet’s comment in context and in good faith.
Good on you Rob. Now you have him right where you want him. And mutatis mutandis, he you.
Well frick, BB, if you haven’t condemned and denounced the Easter Bunny.
Even my root canals love the Easter Bunny.
OK, Sdferr, what’s your point? That I shouldn’t assume the guy is what he acts to be?
Comment by Rusty on 7/28 @ 3:34 pm #
#108
Not creepy , just trying to be lawyer like in his reasoning. Not real sucessful.
Kinda creepy to me as well. He comes in, drops these little leftie meme turds, and sort of dances around them just a bit. It’s like he’s afraid to commit himself.
I take it this is his work as well.
Which comes off as dishonest, Bear. So. I don’t know what he’s going for, wit or sarcasm.
He isn’t a wit by half, and hasn’t managed to cut flesh. Creepy lame, then?
I dunno. Usually when these trolls show up and haven’t got their facts straight, I read past them. Which makes someone lik Lisa all the more a jewel. Besides her bodatious tatas, that is.
From what I can tell, he considers himself above/outside partisan politics. Yet his primary — only from what I can find — attacks are against conservatives.
He’s an echo-chamber lefty. He’s probably trolling for material for another book.
He does engage though. Semanticleo person is much more deranged and mostly phoning it in I think. And he’s more funner than a barrel full of datadaves, easy. Plus, the alliteration, so half my argument is already made for me.
In this thread he:
1) Claimed that McCain didn’t have a page on Afghanistan.
2) When presented with this page, entitled “John McCain’s Comprehensive Strategy for Victory in Afghanistan”, tried to weasel by claiming it was a “press release” and not a “policy page” (of course, it’s actually both — politicians issue policy statements as press releases all the time).
3) When challenged to produce a similar page detailing Obama’s policy on Afghanistan, deliberately misconstrued it as a request for “any Obama press release mentioning Afghanistan” rather than “any official Obama statement detailing his Afghanistan policy”.
4) Promised to admit that he was wrong if he failed to produce such a page (despite his original, false claim actually being that McCain had no Afghanistan page, which was demonstrably false, as shown by the link above).
5) Failed to produce the promised (goal-post shifted) link.
6) Failed to admit that he was wrong, as promised.
Sorry, my characterization of him as a freshman trying to unsuccessfully bullshit his way through an essay question stands.
He has no interest whatsoever in good faith debate.
Carin, if he did write that, then clearly he is a proggie idiot. The Constitution has never applied to enemy combatants in war, ever.
And here I thought the best joke about the lawyer-on-a-bike would be that “Hey! A Green way to chase ambulances!”..
I would have to say Cleo is funnier. Today when she compared the war in Iraq to the Disney movie Fantasia I almost snorted coffee out of my nose. The commentors on this website then proceeded to tear her apart which made my day at work go by much quicker.
HF saved me from a car dealer named Kip Killman.
That was rare form for Cleo, but that was good definitely, and I don’t mean to say that Barrett isn’t way on the dull side of snooze. When I say he engages mostly I mean other people not me.
Good call, SarahW… are you getting closer?
Mr. Pink, I’ve actually got half a mind to write up that War on Terror/Scooby Doo thing and see if I can get it published in a journal (under a pseudonym, of course).
I am still laughing at your “White House=Fortress of Solitude” comment.
Here’s a good example of the low-IQ cancer that infects a typical right-wing circle jerkist.
Little tutu-wearing schoolgirl with a stupid message board name, what do you know of Marxism and Marxists? How many Marxists do you know, excluding interludes of Larry Craigian intimacy?
Yep, and that’s while you rely, and always will, on a little playpen like this for a audience. You ain’t got no IQzichka to face anything but.
Your suggestion to rename the Supreme Court to the Justice League nearly made me piss myself.
I’m surprised that Semen has made it up to the Fantasia level, myself. I’d have pegged him as more of a Barney/Teletubbies sort of guy.
what do you know of Marxism and Marxists?
This, for one.
How many Marxists do you know
Far too many, thor. Far too many.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 7/28 @ 4:44 pm #
In this thread he:
1) Claimed that McCain didn’t have a page on Afghanistan.
2) When presented with this page, entitled “John McCain’s Comprehensive Strategy for Victory in Afghanistanâ€Â, tried to weasel by claiming it was a “press release†and not a “policy page†(of course, it’s actually both  politicians issue policy statements as press releases all the time).
3) When challenged to produce a similar page detailing Obama’s policy on Afghanistan, deliberately misconstrued it as a request for “any Obama press release mentioning Afghanistan†rather than “any official Obama statement detailing his Afghanistan policyâ€Â.
4) Promised to admit that he was wrong if he failed to produce such a page (despite his original, false claim actually being that McCain had no Afghanistan page, which was demonstrably false, as shown by the link above).
5) Failed to produce the promised (goal-post shifted) link.
6) Failed to admit that he was wrong, as promised.
Sorry, my characterization of him as a freshman trying to unsuccessfully bullshit his way through an essay question stands.
He has no interest whatsoever in good faith debate.
Are you referring to the other thread wherein Cleo sent you running for a Kleenex?
thor, you really need to go to remedial troll school, ’cause, frankly, you’re just not very good at it.
Have a nice evening!
Jesus, thor.
“I know you are but what am I?”
Just cut and paste that and save us all the nuisance and bandwidth.
I reiterate what I said in #128. “Painfully unclever” is being generous to you thor. I’m sure you splooge every time you reread your wretched pseudo-edgy political prose. I think a lot of people think you’re just a prick and not a particularly entertaining one in either.
kelly @ 121: I’m still in shock about JeffG’s announcement this past weekend.
At the risk of being… something… Jeff never leaves forever. P-dub is a monkey he manages to pry off his back from time to time, but the rotten primate always manages to climb back on and pee down his back.
So that’s what one reads and believes to drop their IQ at your level. Now I/we know.
You’re a dufus. I suggest you get out and see the world some day.
I used to live and work in Moscow – the beating heart of the Marxist-inspired Communist death machine. Fear me. Run. Curtsy first though.
That’s nice, thor.
Now, go outside and get some exercise before it gets dark.
Moscow is effing expensive.
Little tutu-wearing schoolgirl with a stupid message board name, what do you know of Marxism and Marxists? How many Marxists do you know, excluding interludes of Larry Craigian intimacy?
Yep, and that’s while you rely, and always will, on a little playpen like this for a audience. You ain’t got no IQzichka to face anything but.
Honestly,Thor, your entire argument consists of insulting people, all the while informing us of your own superior intellect and experience.
Except for apparently in thor’s superior intellectual world it is impossible to learn anything by reading a book. If someone doesn’t explain it to you in person you can’t know anything about it. Which doesn’t speak well for thor’s superior intellect at all, really.
thor, what book(s), and/or publication(s) would you consider a good representation of the current Marxist movement?
Well, I’m sure I don’t know shit, because I’ve only read The Communist Manifesto and The Black Book of Communism. NOthing on current Marxism. Which, I’m sure, is nothing like that old Marxism. I think they’ve improved it or something, right?
Oh BB’s a cordial engager; but he’s a type and he doesn’t know it. MYTHBUSTER! Fallacy puncher. Mentioner of exposed bra-straps. He’ll either tire of it and grow out of it or become an old James Randi crank.
Who told Thor about the tutus.
::rustle::
Which, I’m sure, is nothing like that old Marxism. I think they’ve improved it or something, right?
Yep, Carin. It’s like how Bullwinkle was always going to pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Only with a lot more dead bodies at the end.
thor is a lot not not smart though. If only he would use his powers for good is all.
Carin: “Honestly,Thor, your entire argument consists of insulting people, all the while informing us of your own superior intellect and experience.”
A lot like Nishi, but with better grammer…
Carin: “Honestly,Thor, your entire argument consists of insulting people, all the while informing us of your own superior intellect and experience.”
Dread: “A lot like Nishi, but with better grammer…”
Grammar, even… ah, well — I’m not the boastful one.
Like Lucy holding that utopian football for poor gullible comrade Charlie Brown?
MJXKAMA: “Like Lucy holding that utopian football for poor gullible comrade Charlie Brown?”
Only if Lucy got to shoot Charlie Brown every time he had the temerity to want to kick the football.
Mr. Brown
As I am sure you would understand, I have no need for a defense of any sort in relation to a single comment from a commenter whom I can not recall having read before. Which is not to say that I agree with a position that states that either lawyers or liberals deserve to be hit by the cars of any sort of men. You say that you don’t read Think Progress, and really who can stand the tripe that comes from that quarter, but can you really believe that the majority of regulars here would agree with the position you pointed out?
After all that you still are in the position of finding an equivalence between the sort of comments found at Think Progress and the usual comments found here? I suspect not, and so am left to wonder why you would even bring it up.
Sounds like a scam. He lied just about everything politically, journalistically and as with his “outing of a CIA agent” and “running over a pedestrian he claims he never saw”, criminially. So far he’s made a fortune relatively to other journalists. Maybe Karma’s got him. With his money he’ll get the best American health care possible while 50 million will get no health care.
Probably his lawyer and doctor are in on the scam.
And before you numbnut wingers jump on me for saying so….I am wishing Novak good health and a good defense in his civil suit resulting from his almost killing someone due his malicious unconcern for pedestrians. I suspect he’ll come out alright and will get his 3 score and ten, at least. If he’s not already in his seventies.
Jeez, can’t you come up with something more contemporary than Kennedy’s mishap on the beach of Chappi? Or Stalin’s gulags?
Piss off, dave.
…as is your stock response. Good to know the status is quo.
…and I will think good thoughts for Rob’t Novak. Don’t like his sour and commanding presentation, but I wish him health first, and peace later.
dd?
If so, still as stupid as we remember.
Pitiful, just pitiful.
ooooh, yes, he’s admitted it somewheres. he’s not shy about it.
yo, is nobrain channeling Jed Clampett or what??
I don’t think so, cynn.
Are you channeling Courtney Love again?
As I recall, Mr. Smug, that was an amusing line in The Beverly Hillbillies, uttered by one patriarch under his patriarchal breath. I’m willing to bet I have a few boomers who will back me up. I’d say fuck your smugness, but fortunately it can’t reproduce.
datadave has been even more aggressively stooopid than normal, recently.
Sorry, cynn. I’m not up on the classics the way you are.
What a smug little snot.
BIC: “Sounds like a scam. He lied just about everything politically, journalistically and as with his “outing of a CIA agent†and “running over a pedestrian he claims he never sawâ€Â, criminially. So far he’s made a fortune relatively to other journalists. Maybe Karma’s got him. With his money he’ll get the best American health care possible while 50 million will get no health care.
Probably his lawyer and doctor are in on the scam.”
I guess they’re making the tin-foil hats tighter this year…
I don’t know JD; what’s the baseline for determining Banned/data’s stupidity.
Now Novak deserves the same sympathy of Ted Kennedy, right? or Tim Russert, they did nothing to deserve their fate,
It is a shame, that one of the great generation of shoe leather journalists,
is likely gone. There will be plenty of time, to debate this or that position.
Novak was opposed to the Iraq war, and the Persian Gulf War.If that were the only criteria, he would be their hero, it’s not because you actually have to have contempt for the men and women, who serve,(ie: ‘screw um,their mercenaries” when their charred and dismembered bodies are hung from a bridge in Fallujah, picketing Walter Reed, because thsoe inside are considered instruments of Govt. policy.)one Armitage was also opposed to the war, one could speculate whether this was out idealism or some more materialistic concerns in the area. He was hearing what his INR underlings were complaining about Plame, and how she apparently outranked others in tasking missions to Niger; which was odd in itself as the material wasn’t supposed to be in Niger. Olbermann’s gloating at Novak’s predicament, really shows a lack of class (re; his restless leg syndrome? and mental logorrhea)The image of Novak in a Corvette, is one I still can’t get my head around.
Olbermann’s gloating at Novak’s predicament, really shows a lack of class
Easily explainable as Olbermann has no class.
JD – dd keeps railing against the lack of health insurance and rich people, so maybe he has some sort of health/money concerns.
As I understand it, free counseling is available in all metropolitan areas.
jd, still being pathetic as usual?
Why is a little ‘flaming’ from the “left” soooo reprehensible to you twits…when you condemn any and all “left” leaning folk as treasonous asswipes worthy of only extermination or poverty? Let’s see? what’s PW’s score card: one assistant academic forced out of her job for some frivolous inane ‘flaming’, IP addresses published by ‘offenders’ on this site, but otherwise we’re just talkers on the dissolvable electron screen. If you want to be profitable a little more ‘authority’ and ‘fairness’ is needed…not cock slapping. But we have humor~! So that’s a trade off. I am worried about the humor being jaded and faded here. Let’s get it on!
Ignore the flaming and just get a grip. You guys ‘flame’ at every opportunity and then get self righteous when it’s done to you.
Sashal, for example is a moderately centrist anti communist, and anti Olgarchist, and when he swerved slightly from the Dogma here he gets ‘flamed’. Thor is fairly centrist but you guys get all uppity over he’s support for a fairly centrist Democrat. DEMOCRAT, the Dredded Word!
btw, Jeff ‘banned’ me but for some reason I am ‘unbanned’ so figure. I came after Jeff was fadeing here and enjoy Karl and sometime’s Dan’s offerings. So I wish them well in their endeavors but worry about Dan’s sanity at times. Jeff, on the other hand, is showing enormous self pity and that concerns me. This is a hard flaming world here on the internet….because the risks aren’t so bad when you are already got a low credit score and you’re already a ‘free agent’. No pity is allowed. Just Ban Me!
I love you guys and ladies anyway. Off to work I go.
“Hate for Liberals and Gay People Drove Gunman, Police Say”
the title of above article
hmm, nytimes has the article but couldn’t link it here.
Later, loves. PW has been entertaining and I hope dan and karl can keep it going or let us know when it’s changing to another location. (if Jeff is serious in his goodbyes…but then I expect him back…)
datamoron – Get back on the meds. Your doctor has your best interests at heart.
“when you condemn any and all “left†leaning folk as treasonous asswipes worthy of only extermination or poverty?”
WTF are you talking about? You are just making sh$t up now, but hey knock yourself out it’s your world I just live in it.
Mr. Pink, dave’s not the most mentally stable fellow around. He’s got a serious persecution complex, and likes to project his fantasies on “Republicans” — who, in his mind, are invariably rich, criminal, and murderous.
and golfers, Rob, don’t forget the golfing. ;D
“btw, Jeff ‘banned’ me but for some reason”
Couldn’t have anything to do with you being an unhinged prick with nothing even a tad interesting to say now would it?
BiC: “Why is a little ‘flaming’ from the “left†soooo reprehensible to you twits…”
Perhaps because it completely exposes the lie of “progressive tolerance.” Lefties like to present themselves as intellectually superior, yet, when their dogmatic beliefs are challenged, they revert to insult, innuedo and try to win on volume and demonization that which they know they cannot win on the basis of superior ideas or intellect.
BiC: “Sashal, for example is a moderately centrist anti communist, and anti Olgarchist”
What does Sashal have against Olga? Does he need to be denounced?
Seriously, man… loosen the tinfoil and let the blood back into your brain.
one assistant academic forced out of her job for some frivolous inane ‘flaming’…
I think I finally know who DD/BIC is. It all makes sense now.