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Election 2008: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? [Karl]

Hell, no!  And it’s not over now…”

“Germans?”

“Forget it. Obama’s on a roll.”

(h/t Michelle Malkin.)

Update: HotAir’s Ed Morrissey has the video, complete with awkward pause.  More at Memeorandum.

72 Replies to “Election 2008: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? [Karl]”

  1. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Obama’s campaign people must be hardat it again, boning up on world revisionist history by reading Wikipedia.

    – Everyone knows it was the Russians that dropped the bomb on Oahu, whats the matter with these people.

  2. plainslow says:

    Come on guys. What he meant by “the bomb” was Aki Ichiro, Japanese pilot shot doen over Pearl, who his fellow pilot’s called “da bomb”

  3. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Oh, and while we’re on the subject, someone should point out to him that there are very few Democratic election offices in Berlin.

  4. ccoffer says:

    Was it over when the Germans dropped the big one on Pearl Harbor? hoho

  5. dre says:

    O!bomba

  6. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I guess now that the Obama Great Golden traveling band and tent revival tour has been such a huge success here in the 57 states he wants to expand his outreach to places like Seoul Germany and Moscow South Korea.

  7. TheGeezer says:

    We may be seeing the education of Obama’s generation on show, under test, revealing the inadequacies of humanities education since perhaps the 1970s. Obama apparently is ignorant of major historical events, but what of his staff? They’re all ignorant slobs, apparently.

    The left has called Bush stupid for a long time: now we really know why. They don’t know what stupid is, since stupidity prevents one from admitting ignorance and correcting it.

    Let the hilarity continue!

  8. BJTex says:

    Was it over when the Japanese conquered France?

    Who cares? It’s France! *rimshot*

    (booed off of stage)

  9. BumperStickerist says:

    Wait till Obama figures out that it was teh Joooz who were behind the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Torah! Torah! Torah!

  10. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – The good news is him and his entourage will probably get lost looking for the Brandenburg gate in downtown Vienna.

  11. BumperStickerist says:

    though, who’s not to say that the Japanese were simply trying to liberate the indigenous peoples from American Empire?

    There were only 55 stars on the American flag at the time “the bomb” dropped.

  12. SarahW says:

    The quality of stupid is not strain’d
    It droppeth from Heaven as the bomb on Pearl Harbor
    Upon the place beneath

  13. N. O'Brain says:

    And don’t forget, Osama bin Laden hid out at Torah Bora.

  14. N. O'Brain says:

    “the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor.”

    Jeebus wept.

  15. SevenEleventy says:

    Let’s hope O! claims all the world leaders want him to be president. John Kerry did!

  16. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – “Torah Bora.”

    – Yeh, he was really smart to use the Incan ruins for his hide out.

  17. BJTex says:

    There were Jews in ancient Peru?

    Maseltov, amigo!

  18. MayBee says:

    Weren’t the Japanese just trying to free their countrymen from the US internment camps?

  19. Mr. Pink says:

    The japanese attacked us because of Abu Gharib and a lack of empathy. It was all about teh numbness to the pain of a child.

  20. Carin says:

    You guys are kookie. The Japanese bombed us for our oil.

  21. Ouroboros says:

    Pat called it… The Jooooos brought the wrath of Tojo on themselves why they refused to give him back Danzig..

  22. Ouroboros says:

    Hey, I think the proggies are on to something here.. This history stuff is easy when you can make up your own facts…

  23. scooter (still not libby) says:

    We had to nuke the Japanese because they were building… Metal Gear.

  24. Mr. Pink says:

    Comment by Ouroboros on 7/18 @ 10:00 am #

    Pat called it… The Jooooos brought the wrath of Tojo on themselves why they refused to give him back Danzig..

    Was AIPAC around back then? Blame it on them, it seems to be every progg’s red herring.

  25. Clint says:

    No one has yet mentioned the root cause – the abolition of slavery and our reluctance to heal. “Pearl” Harbor is obviously a reference to the oppression of all native (and imported) peoples by Whites. The “bomb” was most definitely black or dark gray. Thus the historical significance of the event is put in proper context.

    You’re all too stained by the Original Sin to even see it. Thankfully we have O! to point it out to us.

  26. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Carin: “You guys are kookie. The Japanese bombed us for our oil.”

    Among other things, including scrap iron and other strategic materials.

  27. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    “You guys are kookie. The Japanese bombed us for our oil.”

    I thought it was for our soy sauce? The Mexicans bombed us for our jobs.

  28. N. O'Brain says:

    “strategic materials”?????

    All this time I thought they wanted Statego.

  29. E. Nough says:

    The Onion: Time Publishes Definitive Obama Puff Piece

    According to political analysts, the Time piece features the most lack-of-depth reporting on Obama ever published, and for the first time reveals a number of inconsequential truths about the candidate, including how he keeps in shape on the campaign trail, and which historical figures the presidential hopeful would choose to have dinner with.

    Coverage of Obama will soon be parody-proof.

  30. RTO Trainer says:

    BBH, Haven’t you heard of Democrats Abroad? They even have their own primary.

  31. TaiChiWawa says:

    I’m willing to grudgingly accept the expression as a metonymic rhetorical flourish — the bomb representing the attack. But it was inartful.

  32. Mr. Pink says:

    Was the Manhatten Project commissioned right around the same time as the AIDS virus project?

  33. happyfeet says:

    OT, but a lot alarming.

    Adelstein, the potential deciding vote, told The Associated Press on Thursday that he would support Sirius Satellite Radio Inc.’s $3.1 billion buyout of XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. if the companies agree to a six-year price cap and make one-quarter of their satellite capacity available for public interest and minority programming, plus other conditions.

    They should walk away from the deal I think. This is Barackonomics.

  34. SarahW says:

    No, Aids Virus project was just after the first faked lunar landing.

  35. takeshi kovacs says:

    Even his gaffes are politically correct; since he grew up in Indonesia, in the region where oil deposits, were found and sanctions were imposed against the Japanese for.
    Even if he missed ‘Pearl Harbor’ and
    “Tora Tora Tora” he must have learned
    about the multiple attacks on the USS Arizona and the other ships in the fleet. Even if his history professor at Columbia was the Marxist Eric Foner.

  36. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Obama went on to say:

    “Did we learn nothing from the American Revolution when Mel Gibson single-handedly won the war by running up a hill with the flag and killing that Lucious Malfoy asshole from Harry Potter. That was sweet! And lets not forget the French ya’ll. Mel had that French guy with him the whole time. Some years later the French guy turned into an evil cop and Jet Li was forced to straight up murder his ass, but he was there with us that glorious day at Antietam.”

  37. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    BTW…wasn’t this colossal dumb shit, like, ya know, BORN IN HAWAII??

  38. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Barack Obama. Turning expensive Ivy League diplomas into worthless booger rags, one gaffe at a time.

    Barack Obama. Proof Harvard Law has a ‘short bus.’

  39. Jim in KC says:

    probably get lost looking for the Brandenburg gate in downtown Vienna.

    Downtown Vegas, more likely.

  40. JD says:

    At least we can assume that he has watched Animal House. That is a good thing, no?

  41. sashal says:

    what an idiot, bomb/bombs, what the hell, looks like he will be mentioning Czechoslovakia
    at his inaugural address…
    oh, wait a minute…

  42. McGehee says:

    Para entender Obama
    Para entender Obama
    Se nesecita un poco de espero…

  43. Ouroboros says:

    Is that from that Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song?

  44. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Which translated means “Ok…ok….so its 58 states….I forgot Quebec….jeeezzz….picky picky.”

    – So let me get this straight. This Ivyleague Euroweenie is going to make a single trip over seas, visit Niagra falls in Baghdad, and the Pyramids along the Rhine, give a few speeches at the Tajmah hall in Berlin, and this makes him a learned, experienced, and wise statesman in foreign policy?

    – Is there any wonder that people see these people as totally unserious and their candidate as a bad joke?

  45. Dewclaw says:

    Carin’s Cat has more intelligence than Nishidiot AND Obamidiot put together!

  46. Mark A. Flacy says:

    Someone set us up the bomb!

  47. TaiChiWawa says:

    “In this decisive moment in history, if we have the audacity to hope for change we can believe in, where we are those for whom we were waiting — people from all the states, provinces, and colonies; young people, old people, people neither really very young nor old; Muslims and Zoroastrians; male, female, and other-gendered persons; blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Indonesians, and Hawaiians …”

  48. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    All your votes are belong to us.

  49. Dread Cthulhu says:

    N O’Brain: “All this time I thought they wanted Statego.”

    Japan doesn’t have much in the way of natural resources, particularly those necessary to support a modern military circa 1930 to 1945, particularly a air- and naval-centric. Their needs included petroleum, aluminum, iron and rubber.

    For example, the dominant Japanese fighter in the Pacific, the Mitsubishi A6M Rei-Sen (“Zeke” or “Zero” to American pilots), while faster and more maneuverable than its US counterparts, lacked armor (i.e. aluminum and steel) and a self-sealing fuel tank, which, iirc, required both rubber and a petroluem-derivative. US sanctions on Japan following the invasion of China prohibited the export of these materials to Japan.

  50. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    It wasn’t just the Japanese Zero Dread Cthulhu.

    Their wooden cities were practically made for fire bombing. Once you put aside all the rape, torture, and butchering, the Japanese were very helpful that way.

  51. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Not to mention the Japs were flooding the US TV market with cheap sets.

  52. baldilocks says:

    That Tears It…

    He’s a plant. From whom I don’t know. Obama speech in Indiana: But it is wonderful to be back in Indiana. In a few moments, we’ll open up the discussion. But I want to offer a few comments about some…

  53. happyfeet says:

    He’s a plant.

    obamadendron!
    o, flowery hopeyness
    we are not worthy

  54. baldilocks says:

    feets:

    Indeed.

  55. clarice says:

    Everything a person needs to know is in “Princess Bride” and “Animal House”. Really. It’s a proven fact.

  56. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – You left out “Mad, Mad, Mad, World” , “Attack of the Giant Tomatos”, “The Body Snatchers”, and “Monster from the Black Lagoon”.

  57. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Whenever I think of Obama campaign staffers, I think of the control tower crew in ‘Airplane!’ I truly believe somewhere in Obama’s headquarters there is a portable fan that gets repeatedly pelted with shit. That has to be a distraction.

    Probably smells bad too.

    And since I want to kill myself while watching most McCain speeches, I guess that makes him Ted Stryker.

  58. Mikey NTH says:

    #9 Bumperstickerist:

    Dear Mr. Stickerist:

    Thank you for adding to the supply of conspiracy theories. Thanks to your self-less service we shall never run short of this critical internet resource.

    Yours, S. Mikewitz

    Amalgamated Conspiracies, Inc. Serving Your Paranoid Delusions Since 1900.

  59. Mikey NTH says:

    #11 Bumpersitckerist:

    See ‘Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere’.

    You’re welcome.

    Amalgamated Conspiracies, Inc.

  60. Mikey NTH says:

    #49 Dread Chthulu:

    The lack of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks on the Zero were a direct result of Japanese weakness in building aircraft engines. Simply put, the Japanese did not have an aircraft engine of sufficient power to put pilot armor and self-sealing tanks into their fighters. So long as their pilots were sufficiently skilled, they could exploit the Zero’s advantages in climb and maneuverability and minimize the deficiencies.

    Japan, however, did not expand its pilot training program early enough to provide sufficient replacements, and did not have a good air-sea rescue program to retrieve downed pilots. The loss of skilled aircrews without a good stream of replacements (and Japan did not have the industrial base to produce new aircraft models and get them into production quickly) doomed their air forces by the end of 1943.

    Without air cover their surface navy was doomed, and even there they could not produce replacements for lost ships and get them into commission fast enough. Add the depredations of US and allied submarines on their merchant fleet carrying the war materials from Indonesia and elsewhere to the home islands, and Japan was done like dinner. Yamamoto gave a six month advantage to Japan before the US got rolling. It turned out to be closer to a year, but once Guadalcanal fell and the Allies began to roll-up the Solomons Japan was in a meat-grinder it couldn’t win, even in surface fights at night. From Vella Gulf to Empress Augusta Bay, Allied surface forces were winning night battles, and the Japanese trump card wasn’t trump any more.

  61. Mikey NTH says:

    Bumpersitckerist – if it wasn’t obvious, I am kidding.

    Really – I am!

  62. Sdferr says:

    So Mikey, Obama is like the japanese manufacturing airplanes? His early advantages concealed his far greater weaknesses. His post-racially hopeful message didn’t arm him to answer inevitable questions on US and world history, knowledge of which would be presumed to arm him against repeating simple mistakes that everyone who has read and understood history wouldn’t make. His great skill at reading a teleprompter can’t protect him from ridicule once he’s forced to go off-screen and speak extemporaneously and reveal himself to be a dunce. Und so weiter.

  63. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “Japan, however, did not expand its pilot training program early enough to provide sufficient replacements…”

    = The way I heard it, the problem was they couldn’t find enough skilled people that were tall enough to see out the windshield over the dashboard.

  64. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    You left out “Mad, Mad, Mad, World” , “Attack of the Giant Tomatos”, “The Body Snatchers”, and “Monster from the Black Lagoon”.

    Also The Big Lebowski.

  65. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Mikey NTH: “The lack of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks on the Zero were a direct result of Japanese weakness in building aircraft engines. Simply put, the Japanese did not have an aircraft engine of sufficient power to put pilot armor and self-sealing tanks into their fighters. So long as their pilots were sufficiently skilled, they could exploit the Zero’s advantages in climb and maneuverability and minimize the deficiencies.”

    Only when they were permitted to do so — The Allies developed tactics that were able to minimize the Japanese advantage, including the Thach weave. You play to your strengths and your enemies weaknesses — Wildcats had armor and firepower, Zekes had maneuverability and speed.

    Likewise, we may have a “chicken and egg” argument re: steel — a lack of steel and other strategic materials would have a limiting factor on the quality of the engines — lesser alloys could be used at higher thicknesses. The same sort of problem arose in the German Jumo turbofan jets — lacking nickel and titanium, they made the fan blades of inferior materials with, predictably, inferior results. Likewise, I don’t know, off the cuff, if the Japanese had 100 octane aircraft fuel, which would have been another limiting element.

    It is worth a note that the Japanese were upgrading the Zeke with larger engines throughout the war, including armor and more powerful engines.

    Mikey NTH: “Japan, however, did not expand its pilot training program early enough to provide sufficient replacements, and did not have a good air-sea rescue program to retrieve downed pilots. The loss of skilled aircrews without a good stream of replacements (and Japan did not have the industrial base to produce new aircraft models and get them into production quickly) doomed their air forces by the end of 1943.”

    A common failing with their Axis counter-part — rather than rotate pilots out of combat to train new pilots, they were permitted to stay in the action. On the other hand, I am not sure the Japanese were culturally prepared to accept that notion. I’m not sure what the British policy was, but American pilots were rotated out after, what, 40 missions?

    Mikey NTH: “Yamamoto gave a six month advantage to Japan before the US got rolling. It turned out to be closer to a year, but once Guadalcanal fell and the Allies began to roll-up the Solomons Japan was in a meat-grinder it couldn’t win, even in surface fights at night. From Vella Gulf to Empress Augusta Bay, Allied surface forces were winning night battles, and the Japanese trump card wasn’t trump any more.”

    Comme ci, comme ca — the American navy got lucky at Midway. But that does nothing to negate my original point — that the American economic sanctions were part of the Japanese rationale for attacking the US.

  66. SevenEleventy says:

    Dude,Condition!

  67. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Most of the hoard of cheap TV’s were being manufactured in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  68. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I blame Bush.

  69. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – and Muntz.

  70. Mikey NTH says:

    Dread Chthulu:

    I do not disagree with anything you said. The Thatch Weave was a great defensive tactic that reduced the Zero’s strength in manuevar. It brought the fight to a place the Wildcat could function, if it (or the P-40) couldn’t get an altitude drop. But armor and self-sealing tanks were weights Japanese engines could not bear at that time, and air-sea rescue (as others noted) allowed trained pilots to return to the fight, rather than being lost on the way back to base as almost happened to Saburo Sakai. The US and Allies were willing to put a lot of effort into retrieving downed pilots, the Japanese less so

    The luck at Midway was luck. Heck, the Americans called their rendezvous location Point Luck. But it still remains – how many fleet carriers, light fleet carriers, cruisers, destroyers was America able to put into commission? So many that the ships that were available at the time of Pearl Harbor were either scrapped, sold, or placed into reserve in 1947. Or expended as Atom Bomb test targets. We put in commission 10 dreadnoughts, and the number of cruisers and destroyers? At least fifty for the one, and a couple hundred for the latter. On top of what was available when the war started. And ship quality was good, and crew training was also good.

    Not every IJN ship was a Shigure.

    The Japanese were still using the aircraft models they opened the war with in 1943-1944 when the US had gone over to new models that could out-perform those aircraft – even if the US aircraft had self-sealing tanks and pilot armor. Only by 1945 did the Japanese have aircraft models that could compete with the new American aircraft, and that was way too little, way too late.

    Oh, by the way – I totally agree the economic sanctions got the Japanese moving. The fact that Britain was engaged in a life-or-death struggle with Germany, and France and the Netherlands (owners of Indonesia) had already fallen, was just more incentive. I was just piffling on about how Japan really bit off more than it could chew at that point, even with Germany being enemy #1

  71. alppuccino says:

    I thought Pearl Harbor played the randy neighbor on Good Times.

    Well, back to the books.

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