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Hey, watch it. I know a guy who knows a guy who has a sister who has a friend who’s kid caught the autism from his MMR. True story.
There is almost no group more passionately angry and more frightening to cross than the anti-vaccination moms.
the third comment…
She just a weird lady I think. She’s a lot for kids having abortions but she doesn’t care if they get cancerous tumors. You know what though? Whatever. Baracky loves her and that’s all that matters.
oh. *She’s*
In defense of Michelle Obama,
It’s perfectly okay for her to bring up the ‘quote’ optics ‘unquote’ to a bunch of white older guys of asking black girls to participate in a medical study.
Michelle saying something like “You know, guys, black folk tend to think ‘Tuskegee’ when you start talking medical studies. As a hospital committed to public health, we’d better take great pains to counter that perception in the community … so give me more budget and it’s a go”
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Glennuendo does not want to touch the Thimerosal issue because it does not fit his thematic preachiness.
(I hear frantic googling)
Yeah, I know. The preservative (a SAFE! mercurial compound) has been
proven not guilty in the Autism Surge over the past twenty years.
Just as panicked account holders are feverishly extracting their savings from failed banks IN SPITE of the inspirational votive of GWB
THAT THEIR MONEY IS INSURED AND SAFE, so too the people do not trust
the government in regard to childhood vaccines and their safety.
The numbers available for the low percentage of adverse reaction makes
such vaccines a logical choice. But it is the emotions engendered by a lack of governmental credibility which seem to move the ball in this instance.
It’s perfectly okay for her to bring up the ‘quote’ optics ‘unquote’ to a bunch of white older guys of asking black girls to participate in a medical study.
Are all the Doctors white?
Oh. Well also in defense of Michelle Obama those girls are still gonna get cancer and die horrible deaths because of her. I guess anyway.
semanicleo – champion of irrational mob behavior.
Who’da thunkit?
#9: That’s because mob behavior makes her look downright — well, semi-intelligent…
“champion of irrational mob behavior.”
“irrational mob behavior”; synonym for Bushistic political, economic and social chemical pollution, as well as counterindications.
What was that Cleo?
Tell me more… Since when do we have the right to opt out of vaccinations ? When my kids went to school they had a list of required immunizations the length of my arm.. you opted out, or forgot, or didn’t play ball.. your kids didn’t go to school. Period.
Are these refuseniks reasonably sound and intelligent people choosing not to immunize their kids with their eyes wide open to the risks and numbers or is this another case of bending the rules for poor immigrants with no universal health? I’d like to hear the demographic numbers on this story broken out a bit.. I’ve read quite a bit about diseases that haven’t been seen for years in the US riding back in in force on the backs of 3rd worlders..
I’m thinking this story cant be totally written off to nervous middle class soccer moms..
(on a lighter note, I see Reynolds is using his middle name now.. Heh.. Harlan.. Name dropper.)
ermmm, semanticleo, I did the whole thimerosal investigation thing about twelve years ago when my older son was being vaccinated. You can also google diploid human cells and come up with nifty anti-vax stuff as well.
The problem with the Thimerosal/Mercury poisoning theory is this: there was much greater exposure to both thirty years ago than there was 10 years ago and much greater exposure ten years ago then five.
Given the toxicity of the substance, you’d suspect that there is a huge population of autistic people aged 40-70 eyars old who were vaccinated with thimerosal-preserved serum. And I don’t mean diagnosed with Aspergers or another autistic spectrum condition or that they have pervasive developmental delay, but rather these people would be full-bull goose profoundly autistic. This situation would be somewhat similar to what was portrayed in the movie, Awakenings, people who were misdiagnosed but manifested symptoms which require medical care.
But that cohort is not there.
fwiw, the CDC has a list of contrindications for vaccinations:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications.htm
When I was reading through the 909shot and other antivax sites I noticed that most of the annecdotes shared tended to include situations where vaccination was contraindicated .. for example, the child had been sick recently, or had an unreported reaction to the vax.
I will say this, the scariest stuff I read was Q&A/FAX information which was from doctors – questions like “I left the bottle of MMR on the counter next to the refrigerator, can I still use it?” that sort of stuff.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd, lastly, since this stuff always comes down to either annecdotes or bad theory, I’ll go with the annecdotes
I have a nephew who’s profoundly autistic, my cousin’s convinced it’s due to vaccinations, this isn’t cause for debate when we talk – my dad’s a childhood polio survivor – and a childhood friend of mine died when she was nine from complications resulting from german measels, a common childhood disease.
Oh. Also BumperStickerist, you’re probably more right than wrong. I just don’t like her is all.
… about the thing with the HPV I mean.
Y’all know that I’m about the staunchest advocate around of letting parents raise their kids any way they want.
However, I have no problem with requiring vaccinations for diseases that are a) contagious and b) life-threatening, and “religious objections” can go hang.
Also, I believe there were some famous court cases where it was determined that (I think) Jehovah’s Witness parents did not have the right to refuse blood transfusions for their kids. I don’t see any real difference between this and the vaccine issue (if anything, the argument for the vaccine is even more compelling, since, as Reynolds notes, there are also public health consequences).
Oh.. and while I’m ranting.. you want a simple explanation for the ‘surge in autism over the last twenty years”?
Lack of discipline at both home and schools (as a result of: the demise of corporal punishment, increase in CPS involvement, increase in lawsuits, lack of parental involvement,etc, etc), coupled with the the recent tendency to explain away all unruly child behaviour as some sort of medical problem.. or mental problem.. or emotional problem.. anything but a discipline problem..
Now throw in Big Pharm and a chance to create a dozen new markets for psychoactive meds..
Suddenly, little brat Bobby isn’t just a kid whose parents didn’t raise him right (as they’d have said in my day..) ..he’s mildly autistic.. he’s got ADD.. He has a sociopath because his mother didn’t breast feed him til he was seven years old.. He’s antisocial because she did.. He’s depressed.. He’s bipolar.. He’s got something they haven’t even named yet..
Before someone else says it let me state.. I’m not suggesting that autism or mental problems don’t really exist.. severe cases are shocking and sad to see.. but these pseudo cases make light of the real cases.. A good butt paddling at school would cure an awful lot of them magically and with no side effects.
The whacky anti-vaccination kookism crosses all political boundaries. It’s not a left or right issue.
But I’ll bet there is a high correlation with anti-vaccination and trooferism
Oh, yeah. Fuckin’ Bobby.
Thimerosal? Please. There is no link between vaccination and autism. The amount of Mercury in a couple cc vaccine is minute. These are the same people that think there should be no cremation because the mercury in fillings is bad for the environment but think electric cars are a great idea. And George Bush did not invent the FDIC, but if he did, I’m sure people would be screaming about another bailout for the rich folk.
I recommend reading up on Ritual Satanic Abuse and Day Care Centers in Florida. Google IT! It’s TRUE!
Along these lines I have two pretty good first-hand Evil Chemical Company
I was consulting on a metering/custody job between DuPont and GM at the time the R134a was replacing Freon. I was talking with a senior engineer who said “You know, Freon is a great substance from an application perspective, if it didn’t destroy the ozone, it’d be perfect/”
Followed the next week by another DuPont guy at their Ti Pure plant who was explaining to me the whys and hows of lead being the ideal substance to add to paint, except for the health consequences.
They also had a sign in the manufacturing area: In the Event of Unintended Polymerization, Please Evacuate the Building. I guess they wanted to give the chemical engineers a head start.
Freon’s killer app is bicycle theft.
Otherwise known as Kryptonite chelation therapy.
I think I’m showing my age now.
h.. and while I’m ranting.. you want a simple explanation for the ’surge in autism over the last twenty years�
Oh oh, I know (part of) this one. They’ve expanded the definition of autism over the last twenty years.
FWIW, I delayed vaccinating my kids – it seemed so cruel when they were babies. They eventually all got ’em, but the time-table dictated by the doctors is rather arbitrary. They just want to make sure they get ’em all. I went to get my one child his shots, and I got stuck with a $600 bill. Apparently my insurance didn’t cover – but I wasn’t eligible for free shots for some stupid reason or another.
I keep meaning to get the hep b vaccine, I think that’s the one. I went once way back in grad school but it’s a two-parter and you have to come back and that’s really hard. Down the street is the porn star clinic where you get your certification if you’re gonna do porn and it’s really cheap to get it there. I took a friend there once when he had a situation involving unwelcome discharge and it was funny to sit there while I was waiting with people looking at me trying to place if they’d seen any of my work. The only other thing I remember is they had a coat rack made out of dildos. I had never seen one before. Oh. It turns out my friend didn’t have a disease at all, which, I didn’t really ask any questions, but apparently these sorts of things can just happen. They see that sort of thing a lot they said.
My sister, born in 1966, possessed a nervous condition which caused her to scratch until she bled. My mother was constantly cutting her nails and making her wear socks on her hands as she slept. For some reason or another her scratching was cause for concern re her vacinations and my mother was instructed to wait until my sister was older and would, hopefully, outgrow the nervous scratching. (I still have no idea the troubling correlation between scratching and vacinations. hmm?)
In any case… My sister came down with whooping cough and, even though I am less than two years older than my sister, I still remember quite clearly how terrifying it was. My mother, grandparents, uncles…everyone in my family was on hand, and nobody slept a wink. I can still hear that God-awful sound from which the disease gets its name. She damned near died a terrifying death and it was my memory of that time which compelled my to have my daughter vacinated.
Of course, on the other end of the spectrum, my daughter was part of the inaugural class of Hep vacinations which are administered over a span of several months. When we arrived at the doctor’s office to receive the second shot we found that they had misplaced (or forgotten to note in her records) the fact that she had already recieved the first of the series. The casual suggestion by the nurse behind the desk, prior to consulting with the doctor was “We’ll just give it to her again.”
Shit and fan.
You know what I’m talking about.
***Before someone else says it let me state.. I’m not suggesting that autism or mental problems don’t really exist.. severe cases are shocking and sad to see.. but these pseudo cases make light of the real cases.. A good butt paddling at school would cure an awful lot of them magically and with no side effects.***
There are no pseudo cases of autism. ADD, yeah, I remember back in the 80s when ritalin prescriptions & suggestions from the schools were all the rage, and I know a bunch of kids that were ‘diagnosed’ back then who are ‘normal’ adults; it was sheer laziness on the part of the gov’t schools (surprised?).
Autism? You either are or aren’t. There is a huge spectrum (my son is about as high functioning as one can get) but there really isn’t a pseudo case. You aren’t diagnosed & then find out later that you really weren’t.
*Thimerosal? Please. There is no link between vaccination and autism. **
The vaccination certainly doesn’t ’cause’ autism. To blow off all those mothers & fathers who saw an instant change in their kids the day that they had their vaccination is dangerous, IMO (no, I don’t think the vaccines affected my son at all, so I’m not going there). Perhaps in SOME kids the genetics involved are affected by vaccines, that brings their propensity towards autism to the forefront? Maybe autism IS genetic & in SOME cases the mercury gives it a little push?
*Oh.. and while I’m ranting.. you want a simple explanation for the ’surge in autism over the last twenty years�*
Er, kids with autism?
Ever considered that, or you really as ignorant as you appear?
Oh, for fuck’s sake. Miss Slavery USA is an anti-vaccination twat, too?
C’mon, just say it: You won’t be happy until we return to a pre-industrial society.