The “Moderate” (but reliably Lefty) Voice has a new post up from “Damozel” noting that Iran has rejected the latest truckload of carrots offered to get the Islamic theocracy to suspend its nuclear program.
Damozel’s reaction?
So no encouraging news there, I’m afraid. Are you as nervous as I am, with Israel and its military exercises and one of Bush’s favorite evildoers calling the tune? Not to mention Seymour Hersh’s latest? I have said it before: the gun they take out in the first act almost suddenly goes off in the third.
Aside from the horrific mangling of the [Chekhov] saying (the gun does not “suddenly” go off two acts later), note that Damozel is made nervous by the US and Israel, not Iran’s obvious nuclear ambitions. Should nothing be done about the latter, our relations with Europe will be damaged, and a Mideastern arms race is almost certain to ensue — but Damozel is not nervous about those consequences either.
Adding to the stupidity, Damozel is placing his or her hopes on the fact the evil Pres. Bush will soon be gone and Iranian Pres. Ahmadinejad may be “since he is up for reelection and looks like having an uphill battle.” Damozel is ignoring that even Barack Obama knows that Mahmoud is a convenient figurehead and scapegoat for the mullocracy. Changing presidents does not magically make this problem disappear. To the contrary, Obama’s suggested policies could make it worse.
Yeah, someone forwarded me a post from their site this morning recommending that after Gitmo’s closed the inmates should be dumped on Michelle Malkin’s porch. Three cheers for “moderation”!
For real the gun they take out in the first act is where we drill out own goddamn oil. Baracky doesn’t just want to talk with the Iranians, he’s a lot making sure we bust our asses to prop up their regime. He really doesn’t like Jews is why. I learned this from reading about that church he went to.
“Moderation you can believe in”?
“Changing presidents does not magically make this problem disappear.”
You are correct, but I think the instructiveness of your comment poses a problem for your mindset.
Bush is the Great Enabler. He has strengthened the Iranian Jihadists, and seek to prod the US admin because they have us caged.
Some reason must be extant in the whispered regions of Foreign Policy
because an aerial strike would accomplish little in terms of Iran’s hardened sites, but much with regard to the attitude of Iranian citizens. The Iranians see us tied down in Iraq so completely that we
haven’t the resources to hit high-value targets in Afghanistan.
But, just like Jimmah couldn’t get anywhere in negotiation to free the hostages, the Iranians are waiting for the new Reagan.
But a delusional Chief Executive who is possessed of a Divine Guidance, could listen to those voices who command the listener to kill with a clear Godly conscience, and dispense with all those weenies with their fingers on the chicken-switch. It is more of an imminent threat than the Iranian Nukes.
Bush has strengthed them? Care to explain that, or is it just part of The Narrative that you regurgitate?
Sorry I can’t stay for Karl’s revealing and probative response.
Flail away!!!
“Bush has strengthed them? Care to explain that,”
Ask McCain about the Shia/Sunni. He’ll make it clear, I’m sure.
Oh. What would suck is if the Iranian people didn’t like us no more. Who will we sit with at lunch?
I think cleo is regurgitating the Lefty talking point that engaging in the sort of multi-lateral diplomacy the Left supposedly champions was the wrong thing to do in this case because it was Smirky McChimpler doing the diplomacy. Iran’s perception of its national interest will turn 180 degrees once they personally gaze on the similing visage of the Obamessiah. Something like that.
Yes, being hemmed in between US forces and allies in Afghanistan and Iraq has really “strengthened Iran’s position”.
Also, Arabs and Persians have always hated each other, regardless of Sunni/Shia ties to the contrary. Recall that Iraq and Iran fought a devastating 8 year long war with each other in our lifetimes.
And also Russia is involved. A lot this is all their fault. Russians are pretty evil like that, but I guess it would be unfair to blame them for strengthening Iran when really it’s all our fault. We have to own that.
Oh. This is that same Russia what’s on the U.N. Security Council. I googled it. Interesting.
“Comment by Semanticleo on 7/5 @ 1:14 pm #
“Bush has strengthed them? Care to explain that,â€Â
Ask McCain about the Shia/Sunni. He’ll make it clear, I’m sure.”
So in other words, you got nothing.
Again.
ohnoes.
Delusional frog who is possessed of a Divine Guidance. That never ends well.
To the contrary, Obama’s suggested policies could make it worse.
Has Barry settled on a single Iran policy yet? Is sending Jimmah Cahter’s sweater to negotiate an option? Do you think Iran would comply if the UN Security Council collectively held its breath? Let’s boycott the Olympics for sake of nostalgia!
Techie
Another thing to remember about that whole Arab/Persian thing is that South West Iran is largely populated by Shiite Arabs with tribal ties to the guys in southern Iraq. Now that the Shiite Iraqi government has curtailed the Iranian backed Sadrist gangsters, you can imagine the e-mails going between the two areas.
“Hey cuz, how’re things going with them Ayatollahs? We’ve got that Democracy, Whiskey, Sexy thing going pretty well down here.”
Of course, the fact that the southwest province contains most of Iran’s oil and all of their refineries, as well as their access to the world, means the Iranians ain’t going to let it go easily, but if they do get jiggy with their neighbours, their not just going to lose their Navy and Air Force and watch their Army walking back to the villages, they stand to lose a whole lot more.
Iran is a lot interesting cause Democrats like Baracky are so fixated on it. For real they have a more clear policy on Iran than they do on Iraq. No refining to do there no sir. Curious. It’s almost like they want Iran to be perceived as strengthened.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/5 @ 2:02 pm #
Iran is a lot interesting cause Democrats like Baracky are so fixated on it. For real they have a more clear policy on Iran than they do on Iraq. No refining to do there no sir. Curious. It’s almost like they want Iran to be perceived as strengthened.
Iran is very interesting. They got rid of that pesky same sex marriage problem without voting. I hear dinnerjacket hands out necklaces instead of rings.
that after Gitmo’s closed the inmates should be dumped on Michelle Malkin’s porch.
I don’t get it. Isn’t the Leftcult position that every illegal combatant at Gitmo nothing more than primitive farmers innocent of everything expect being convenient scapegoats for the Bu$HitlerZionistNeoCon conspiracy? Why wouldn’t the Joe and Company be welcoming these Poor Brown Farmers into their homes and bundling with their daughters?
expect = except
Comment by Semanticleo on 7/5 @ 1:08 pm #
Do you speak English?
That was Chekhov’s saying , Karl
“Not to mention Seymour Hersh’s latest? ”
Jason Leopold’s uncle.
When the Shia “center of the universe”, Iran, starts to “nuke-up,” you can be certain that the Sunni “center of the universe,” Saudi Arabia, won’t be very far behind.
This means that it’s possible that at some future date, Iran and the Saudis could well obliterate each other, bring the two largest producers of oil in the world to a halt. And all of this would happen while the Israelis, the US, the Japanese, the Russians, the Chinese and Europe just look on in horror, having not raised a finger.
You really have to be incredibly myopic to see that all bad scenarios must involve the US or Israel
Iran would likely stop trying to build nukes if we just would stop talking about bombing them every five minutes.
Proggy
Quite right. Just like car thieves would never steal again as long as we left the cars unlocked and the keys in the ignition.
Just as I’m sure you leave your home unlocked to avoid burglaries.
Nah. You just have to be such a racist fuck that you can’t grant the “little brown people” the ability to influence events. The left firmly believes nothing happens without a white male oppressor pulling the strings or providing the impetus.
‘Cleo and Progg demonstrate the extent of liberal brain damage. They absolutely CANNOT experience the thought that some other country might be dangerous to the world. Those neurons have all atrophied and died. They literally cannot imagine that Iran is a menace. It goes against years of indoctrination, plus it endangers their comfortable feelings of superiority to all other Americans. Admitting that Iran is a danger might lead to admitting that Bush has been correct in his policies. Liberals would rather see millions of Israelis and other Americans die than admit that.
“The left firmly believes nothing happens without a white male oppressor pulling the strings or providing the impetus.”
Just ask G. Soros
Comment by ProggressiveHero on 7/5 @ 2:40 pm #
Iran would likely stop trying to build nukes if we just would stop talking about bombing them every five minutes.
And maybe if dinnerjacket would stop threatening Israel with obliteration the Jews wouldn’t be so paranoid, right?
And if Grams had a penis she’d likely be Gramps.
Comment by N. O’Brain on 7/5 @ 2:21 pm
Comment by Semanticleo on 7/5 @ 1:08 pm
Do you speak English?
My guess? Neo-Frontier Gibberish.
their fingers on the chicken-switch
I’ll go with the broasted, please.
“Iran would likely stop trying to build nukes if we just would stop talking about bombing them every five minutes.”
Maybe a point there PragueHero. Get Sy Hersch to quit fantasizing. That’d shut off 98% of it right there.
No. It’s worse than that.
Semanticleo and ProggHero cannot accommodate the concept of “other”. It’s the reason they can so easily support “multiculturalism” — from their standpoint there is no such thing. All cultures are the same as theirs. Absent external forces (personified by the Demon Bush) everybody on the planet, right down to yurt-dwellers on the steppes of Turkmenistan, will react in exactly the same way as, say, a mid-level professor of fuzzy studies at a cow college in eastern Kentucky. The right way to approach the putative “other” is thus to remove the external forces — that is, remove George Bush and the Republicans from power — and allow the “other” to act without restraint. If the “other” fails to react as expected, the only possible reason is that some aspect of the external force persists.
Regards,
Ric
I believe it’s about time to break this out.
Kevin B,
You do realize that Arabs make up a massive 3% of the Iranian population, don’t you? Enough to cause trouble through terrorist acts, but not enough to be any real danger. Iran’s Basij militia alone outnumbers it’s ENTIRE Arab population by about 7 to 1.
BTW, yes, Sadr has gotten some support from Iran, but the guys running the show in Iraq have gotten much more.
Rick, one thing in common, that yurt dweller wants to live and good live for his off-springs, just like us.
You can’t hug a child with nuclear arms.
Comment by ProggressiveHero on 7/5 @ 4:42 pm #
You can’t hug a child with nuclear arms.
But you can kill an Israeli child with a kassam rocket.
And this proves?
The same is true for Bengal tigers, buzzards, dung-beetles, cockroaches, Escheria coli, and HIV particles. That’s biology. The subject is culture.
Note the Left’s utter and unrelenting hostility toward the culture I live and move in, which differs from theirs in trivial degree compared to that of the yurt-dweller. That’s because they don’t admit to any difference at all, and some of the things that count as cultural positives or imperatives in my culture (carrying a gun, e.g.) are utterly villainous according to theirs. It follows that, to them, my culture is the same as theirs; I am merely a villain.
Egotism bordering on solipsism (when it does not go well over the line, as illustrated by Semanticleo).
Regards,
Ric
sashal was right about Chekhov, though Damozel still mangled it.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 7/5 @ 2:40 pm #
Iran would likely stop trying to build nukes if we just would stop talking about bombing them every five minutes.”
You are not just an idiot.
You are a fucking moronic idiot.
Cogratulations.
Okay, that clinches it. Parody.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 7/5 @ 4:42 pm #
You can’t hug a child with nuclear arms.”
Holy fuck, how stupid ARE you?
Never mind, he has to be a parody.
Cut it out, Jeff.
sure cultural differences exists.
that is one of the reasons,repaet just one of the reasons I was against interfering in their lives.-(see Iraq).
And as you wisely pointed out, like everything else alive-tigers etc, the main purpose of life is the continuation and the safeguard for the off springs.
Humans of course are more developed and they can using the propaganda convince large portion of population in certain ideological set ups.
But would you say that all Germans are communists(birthplace of Marx and Engels) or Nazis?
Or that all Chinese and Russians are communists?
No.
And not all Muslims want to blow themselves up in order to build a caliphate. Actually very slim minority.
I think this paranoia about Muslims is not helping, Rick…
Thanks , Karl.
And that Damosel person, is this somebody new? I never read anything by it before..
sashal was right about Chekhov
I thought that was Sulu.
“He has strengthened the Iranian Jihadists, and seek to prod the US admin because they have us caged.”
“You can’t hug a child with nuclear arms.”
“Iran would likely stop trying to build nukes if we just would stop talking about bombing them every five minutes.”
Definitely a parody
– I was waiting for: “You can’t carry a child on the shoulder of a road.”
– Parody of a troll?
“I think this paranoia about Muslims is not helping, Rick…”
3,000 dead Americans say otherwise.
It’s not paranoia if someone really is trying to kill you.
And occasionally succeding.
I’m coming to believe Progg must be a very clever parody. The tipoff? He uses capital letters and punctuation too well, and his sentences make grammatical sense. True lefty trolls like ‘cleo, sashal, and the immortal nishi write in that ee cummings style uncapitalized unpunctuated rambling stream of conshusnes giberish style wich suggessts they r about 14 & is 2 busy texting frendz 2 pay attension in english class
I think this knee-jerk bigotry is not helping either, sashal. I’m not paranoid about rattlesnakes. In fact I rather like the creatures so long as they don’t negatively impact my lifestyle. That doesn’t keep me from maintaining a watch when I’m out in the rocks.
Culture is learned. I have for a long time agreed with the old cynic that things learned at an early age stay with us very strongly — my phrase is “we rarely fully escape our toilet training” — but the United States itself stands as existential proof that new cultures can be learned, even for those of us who can’t completely trust our impulses and therefore have to stay on rational guard to avoid offense. This country is full of people who came from radically different cultures and adapted at least well enough to raise their kids to conform to American norms. Some of them are Muslims.
The nasty, paranoid, quasi-nomadic Arab culture that forms the root of what I dislike about Islam is not encoded in Arab genes. They are perfectly capable of learning to behave in different ways, and of raising their children with a new set of cultural imperatives. And while my desires may be megalomanic, my expectations are much more modest — and it would appear, from the information I have, that they are if anything being exceeded.
Regards,
Ric
The irony of sashal — who sees BOLSHEVIKS!!! behind everything he dislikes in politics and policy — whinging about “paranoia” in re Muslims is thick enough to build a bridge.
You caught me out in a typo re: the gun/third act remark—I meant to type “certainly” rather than “suddenly.” I deserved the rebuke.
Still worried about the Middle Eastern “arms race”, or are you getting everyone excited about war in Russia? I am afraid I can’t read your blog at all.
I appreciate the shout-out. Being called “stupid” by a blog so reliably wrong about everything makes me certain I’m on the right track.
PS. Damozel for someone of your erudition should have been a reliable clue to gender.