Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most revered Shia cleric in Iraq (and perhaps in Shia Islam), is more diplomatic about saying so, but the subject of his recent statement on the US-Iraq security pact is not all that veiled:
A representative of top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani on Friday called Iraqi officials to show patience during the U.S.-Iraq long-term deal negotiations, terming pledges of withdrawing foreign troops from Iraq as transitory and elections-oriented.
The tipoff is that Sistani’s statement does not suggest opposition to a US-Iraq security pact in general, but urges “patience,” because the talk of promises to withdraw are election-related. Obama is the only candidate talking about withdrawing from Iraq. The implication is that Sistani thinks Obama is not serious about withdrawing, and can be pushed around to negotiate a better deal if he wins the election.
This should surprise no one. As noted frequently here, the post-WWII, 16-year cycle of “change” elections has tended to elect Democrats who are perceived as weak by foreign leaders, with serious consequences for US foreign policy that often outlasts their terms in office.  JFK’s Vienna Summit with Khrushchev, Carter’s mishandling of Iran, and Clinton’s feckless responses to al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein — as well as his naivete regarding Yassir Arafat — all come to mind.ÂÂ
Obama, with no small degree of hubris, thinks people in the Mideast see him as “worldly.”  What they really see is an easy mark.
(h/t Gateway Pundit.)
It’s way hard to take Baracky seriously on things involving the military. I’m pretty sure they’ll key their vp choice to rectifying that, but maybe they’ll go the lipstick on a pig route. It might just could be a lost cause.
Well, let’s see now. The Iraqi people, Iraq’s parliament, Sistani, and Maliki all seem to want us to leave soon.
So, why not just leave? If we’re serious about respecting democracy, we will leave Iraq when the Iraqis want us to.
So true… progressives have convinced themselves they are worldly… but they tend to know more about the world than the average American. It’s funny.. Especially when they switch to some weird accent when talking about Merlot…
Anyway, my dad’s an immigrant from Europe and I’ve spent a lot of time over there. I’m not bragging but I know something about the place (esp France, natch)… listing to Progressives go on about it I just have to bit my tongue and roll my eyes… being a dumb ass conservative, what would I know anyways… that and more feminist inclined are easy…
From AJB’s link about the Iraqi people wanting the US out:
That’s not to say that Iraqis like the US being there, hence the tough talk in advance of provincial elections.
If we’re serious about respecting democracy I bet we’d have a drilling rig in ANWR in the space of a fortnight. Democrats are so silly when they talk about the respecting of the democracy. Hey! Guess what? I can get me gay married today. Democracy! I wonder if any of those poor monkeys at Gitmo will get to tie the knot with each other soon? For real they shouldn’t be deprived of civilian legal protections like that.
AJB, with no small degree of hubris, thinks he understands people in the Mideast. What they see in him is an easy mark.
George Bush understood the Mideast when he began is two trillion dollar Irai social experiment?
Get real.
And yet you wingnuts are following him to the end, just break me a freaking give.
It’s clear you people are completely and totally incapable of discerning who would be a good leader for America.
AJBs link re: Sistani “The cleric called on Iraqi negotiator to be patient “in drafting the issues of such decisive agreement”, similar it what Karl noted above.
What part of patience don’t you understand, AJB?
Did Sayeed Ali al Sistani actually SAY Senator Obama’s name?
nope, didnt think so.
i think the Imam of Imams would likely resent your re-interpreting his intentionalism, Karl.
The Grand Ayatollah would never risk harming his people by poisoning his relationship with the next president of the United States.
Whoever succeeds Bush is gonna have a tough time filling his shoes I think. Baracky for sure will have trouble cause he’s highly insubstantial. One thing you can count on though is that Baracky would stop the whole America stands for freedom thing though. He’s pretty disdainful of that whole idea.
Baracky should stop it with the disdainful.
Next possible prez; and that’s why he didn”t mention O! by name. But enlighten us all nishi –to whom was Sistani referring?
i think the Imam of Imams would likely resent your re-interpreting his intentionalism, Karl.
LOL! Good morning Nishi
The only qualification for the Riech-wing in a President is the willingness to engage in war (even if the President has never seen a day of combat, as in the case of our “War Hero” President and his “Killing Machine” Vice-President).
The Reich-wing President must also be a tool of the military Industrial CONGRESSIONAL Complex.
Oh yeah, he’s got to hate gays, Hollywood, minorities, teachers, environment, etc, etc, etc.
David,
How does your Bush-bashing and ad hominem attack of people here refute the claim about how others see Obama?
(hint: It doesn’t, but further suggests that O! supporters are a bit short on logic.)
At the risk of making an intentionalism foul, it seems clear to me that Sistani is not in favor of a precipitous US withdrawl that would risk undermining the progress and stability that has been achieved. He seems to be giving his people a wink and a nod to signal them not to be concerned about the immediate withdrawl rhetoric Obama is feeding his base in the nutroots. Whether Sistani has had back-channel communications with the Obamanauts or this is his own reading of the tea leaves is unclear.
Oh yeah, he’s got to hate gays, Hollywood, minorities, teachers, environment, etc, etc, etc.
Let’s see, “David” fairly mainstream name. Haven’t seen him in any movies. Uses too much punctuation to be a teacher. Soils any environment he enters.
I think I got it.
I expect it was a generic reference to the blood-an-circuses panderin of the american political cycle.
Hasn’t mccain repeatedly said how poorly the aftermath of Gulf II was conducted?
still tryin to throw bush under the bus, but hes too heavy to pick up…
nishi,
Please identify where McCain is promising to withdraw US troops from Iraq.
– Well ABJ, and his lurking bretheren had better keep an eye on their messiah. He talked to Maliki this morning, a day after McCain had an audience with the Iraqi leader, and started plans for a trip to Baghdad. Obama told reporters he hopes to make the visit “before the elections”. Obviously his handlers know its one area that his campaign is bleeding badly from, and his biggest weak spot against McCain.
– The Left has started subtly reversing course on Iraq, just as they did in Afghanistan, and the faithful gaggle had better watch their step, or the bus is going to leave without them.
= OMG. Quick, revise the Narrative.
Obama, with no small degree of hubris, thinks people in the Mideast see him as “worldly.†What they really see is an easy mark.
What the populations of the ME and the world see is that Obama is B.L.A.C.K.
That harpoons the whole memecomplex of the Big White Bwana comin to missionary u and steal your oil.
A blackman, the powerful man in the world, the elected president of a country that their tyrants tell them is racist and elitist and an a giant maw that consumes all the worlds resources.
It is a huge advantage if we can exploit it.
You know, this David fella has some really new and unique ideas. Reich-wing! That’s a hoot.
How do I subscribe to your newsletter?
alppuccino, from Wiki… a Republican “enviromental” group:
Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy (CREA) is a Republican environmental organization founded in 1998 by Gale Norton, who in 2001 became George W. Bush’s U.S. Secretary of the Interior. CREA
The organization’s steering committee includes lobbyists for the petroleum, mining, and auto manufacturing industries.[2] The organization’s president, Italia Federici, pleaded guilty in 2007 to obstructing the U.S. Senate investigation into the Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal and for siphoning CREA funds for personal use.[3] Abramoff donated more than $400,000 to her charity, after which time she began using her connections with J. Steven Griles, to influence him to make decisions beneficial to Abramoff’s tribal benefactors.[4] Later in 2007, CREA’s vice president, Jared Carpenter, pleaded guilty of tax evasion for also diverting CREA funds for personal use.[5]
Funding
In a profile of Norton, the Natural Resource Defense Council referred to CREA as being “a group sponsored by mining, chemical and chlorine industries.” [8]
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE… you could care less about this planet.
man, karl u are so dumb.
O wont withdraw troops before we win!
we are winning, he will do exactly what Petraeus says, and take the credit.
he’ll throw the nutroots a bone or two, but hes goin in the history books as not just the first black president, but as the man that fixed GW’s debacle in Iraq.
Aldo,
As Gateway Pundit notes — and I noted at the time — Samantha Power was giving interviews where she basically said that they would have to assess the situation if the won, consult with the commanders, etc. As Michael Crowley wrote at TNR:
A blackman, the powerful man in the world, the elected president of a country that their tyrants tell them is racist and elitist and an a giant maw that consumes all the worlds resources.
It is a huge advantage if we can exploit it.
Erm, if Condy Rice, or Colin Powell didn’t do anything to dissuade the opinion … Regardless, who CARES about the symbolism represented, to those in the ME, of the POTUS. I’d prefer someone who can handle the job w/o out turning our country socialist.
nishi,
Your candor about O!’s dishonest and self-aggrandizing intent is refreshing. It does represent a 180-degree turn from your start in this thread, however.
karl plz show me where Sayeed Ali al Sistani said “Obama is a double-talking patsy”.
remember i can read arabic.
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE… you could care less about this planet.
*whisper* I think he’s talking to you Carin. Over that turtle thing *whisper*
, but hes goin in the history books as not just the first black president, but as the man that fixed GW’s debacle in Iraq
And you get upset that science books may make mention (even if to only refute) of ID.
WEDGE.
What the populations of the ME and the world see is that Obama is B.L.A.C.K.
That harpoons the whole memecomplex of the Big White Bwana comin to missionary u and steal your oil.
A blackman, the powerful man in the world, the elected president of a country that their tyrants tell them is racist and elitist and an a giant maw that consumes all the worlds resources.
It is a huge advantage if we can exploit it.
If the populations of the ME had any power at all, you might be right for once, nishfong, but unfortunately they don’t. The only thing that is going to be exploited is Obama’s pacifism and apostacy.
Someone should interview Obama’s man on the scene near Iraq.
Republican Family Values:
Apathy, Callousness, Greed, Self Serving Self Interest,
Narcissism, Inhumanity, Death, Looting, Plundering.
heh, Karl, it just plain old politcs.
read your economics history.
Bush Sr. fixed the economic problems, but the lag in the system didnt catch up until the Clinton presidency.
I learned that in econ class.
/beams
What kind of an american are you? don’t you want us to suceed in Iraq, reguardless of who gets the credit?
;)
“It is a huge advantage if we can exploit it.”
– Your point is well taken nishi. Not a new idea by any means, many of us saw that from the beginning. Problem is Obama looks good, but lacks the stones and experience, and hes surrounded by Progressive sycophants that are stuck in the pre-9/11 mindset, the thinking that led us to this entire mess in the first place.
– So you end up, as you always do with SP ideas, praising appearances over substance, and everything gets even more fucked up.
– Thats not change you can believe in. The world is not a Hollywood movie set.
O wont withdraw troops before we win!
we are winning, he will do exactly what Petraeus says, and take the credit.
That is the point of the post, idiot. Sistani is telling people not to pay attention to Obama’s campaign rhetoric. Goddalmighty will you learn to fucking read.
Dave, add–> Patriarchy, Neo-Luddism, Bigotry and Missionariism
Alp, I must confess confusion over David’s words.
I could care less? Or I couldn’t care less? What is he trying to say?
I mean, if “I could care less” doesn’t that mean I care?
I’m gonna go get in my car and drive around aimlessly for a few hours and try to figure out what he means. And, if I see any turtles, I’ll try to aim for them. BECAUSE I CARE. OR NOT. I’m not sure which.
David … about that subscription …
With friends like this who needs enemies ..
Woof. Now we know where Obama will get his gun.
Goddalmighty will you learn to fucking read.
what i read was Sistani: Obama is a double-talking patsy.
It’s your English that needs work. Did you miss the first sentence of the post, about Sistani being too diplomatic to come out with a blunt statement to that effect?
Of course, you comment is meant to detract from the fact that you started in this thread suggesting that Sistani wasn’t really referring to O! at all, avoiding the fact that O! is the one talking about withdrawal, then suggesting that yes, O! is indeed BSing the voters and will only withdraw after success. You got pwn3d, and are desperately trying to scramble away from it.
Oh, that last comment by “David” goes a bit too far. I’m calling bs. No one is that stupid.
Or, is “david” -Datadave?
gee, Neo…and that is relevent how?
Dave, add–> Patriarchy, Neo-Luddism, Bigotry and Missionariism
Are we talking “positions” there? Because, I swear – it’s only about one in four where we resort to that.
like i said, u dont know that Sayeed Ali al Sistani is talking about Obama.
and, you cannot prove it. if u put it to him as a question he would deny it.
intentionalism, anyone?
Oh you could care very much less Carin. You’ve got a big care cushion.
what i read was Sistani: Obama is a double-talking patsy.
That is very good, nishi. Now read us the first line in the post itself, the one that has this bit: (Sistani) is more diplomatic about saying so…
Or go on looking like a semi-literate retard, how you are perceived is up to you, you know.
– The Left know they are caught on the wrong side again, just as they were in Afghanistan, so be prepared for some serious double talk, temporizing, excuse making, lie telling, historical, and hysterical, revisionism, and just general cockroach like scurrying away from the wall to wall bullshit anti-American screeds they’ve been running with for the last 7+ years.
– You thought they’d come clean. Yeh, that could happem.
I already asked you to whom he would be referring aside from Obama, and you had no awswer. It’s politics — thus it’s the vagueness that’s intentional.
Getting pwn3d must bother you, given that you’re still flailing about on this.
you have never pw3ned me karl.
altho i have punkd u many atime.
Carin, it was a subtle double-entrendre referring to both the Wests ceaseless tedious xian proselytizing and also the Wests endless fucking of the third world.
i didnt actually expect u to get it.
Isn’t the Arabic word for B.L.A.C.K. the same as their word for S.L.A.V.E.?
Oh, look, it’s stamping its feet now.
David, please take your bigotry somewhere else.
Nishi, please shove an axe handle wrapped in barbed wire up your ass.
[…] are in full retreat across all fronts.  Probably because Grand Ayatollah Sistani has come out and threw his support behind long term partnership with the US: A representative of top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani on Friday called Iraqi officials […]
Neo…and that is relevent how?
like i said, u dont know that Sayeed Ali al Sistani is talking about Obama.
and, you cannot prove it. if u put it to him as a question he would deny it.
lalalalLALALALALALAlalalalalLALALALALALalalalalalaLALALALALALlalalalala
That would be the first step. The next step would be for her to learn to fucking write.
Then, maybe, she could get around to learning how to fucking think.
BTW, here’s another recent example of the pwn3d nishi.
Carin, it was a subtle double-entrendre referring to both the Wests ceaseless tedious xian proselytizing and also the Wests endless fucking of the third world.
i didnt actually expect u to get it.
Yea … it flew so TOTALLY over my (fucking) head.
– The rediculous thing about nishi’s slavering love of all things Fascist, is that her types are always the first to be lined up against the wall and shot when the new Boss marches in. Yet they do it over and over. What was that definition of insanity again?
You see, Alp, why I’m confused.
That’s why I want to subscribe to David’s newsletter.
Project much, David?
BBH,
The thing about the local Obamatons is that they will lie — e.g., about not having been pwn3d — knowing that I can produce the evidence that they are lying, but do it anyway. Which fits your theory.
– And that folks, is the sum total depth of the so called “elitist” thinking on the Left. Reading aloud a list of pejoratives off a sheet of paper. Whoa, heavy dude.
the Wests ceaseless tedious xian proselytizing and also the Wests endless fucking of the third world.
I think it is about time you make your conversion to Greenwaldian conservatism complete and change your name to nishimonashinji.
Now where did DAvid go? Did I get it right? Was it Dataless and he’s run off?
What the populations of the ME and the world see is that Obama is B.L.A.C.K.
Are the populations of the mideast known for their tolerance and diversity?
I thought they liked to kill even people with the same color skin, same religion, different minor religious character.
The people of the ME can’t bring themselves to let the Palestinians, Christians, and Jews settle in their countries, yet seeing a black US President is going to be some diversity beacon of light for them? Ah…I don’t think so.
Jeff posted ^^
Carin,
Seems like David is his own troll, not a dd aliaas.
– In the mean time, McCains camp announced today that it has been over 900 days since Obamas last trip to Iraq. The junior seneator was no doubt responding to the pressure with his announced plans to plan a plan for a plan to make a plan “sometime before the election” for a planed trip to Iraq.
– Dare I say “dance monkey, dance”.
– You know when you have a glaring weakness, its generally not a good idea to try to hide it behind the donations cup.
Well, David did seem a tad bit too concise to be Dataless. Sad he had to run off so quickly. I’m looking for an excuse to avoid my workout.
Karl, the closer we get to an Obama presidency, the nastier you get.
your writing style is devolving.
at this point you guyz are like Burke in Aliens, hey, lets start a campfire and sing some songs.
why does it drive u into a frenzy that ppl believe in O and admire him?
Hey, look the liar is back. You lie about being pwn3d, you unapologetically misrepresent what Jeff writes, and you wonder why people do not spoil you like mommy and daddy?
this site was the mccain bash-o-matic…but now that hes ur candidate u have competely reversed position?
now mccain is St. John and Obama is the devul?
isnt that just a tech hypocritical?
Karl, the closer we get to an Obama presidency, the nastier you get.
your writing style is devolving.
at this point you guyz are like Burke in Aliens, hey, lets start a campfire and sing some songs.
why does it drive u into a frenzy that ppl believe in O and admire him?
This is “nasty”? Only if you think that the Obama is above being criticized, which apparently is your opinion.
Why does it drive us into a “frenzy”? Well, because personally I believe charisma (and race) accounts for much of his support – and there is no “there” there. I mean, outside of his STELLAR history as a community organizer.
“why does it drive u into a frenzy that ppl believe in O and admire him?”
– Belief is fine. We believe in belief nishi. Remember. But its interesting that you of the “everything thats based of wild eyed, no evidence religiosity is sheer idiocy”, thinks the same proffered to a simple cult figure just because he sings the siren song of the Fascist left, and hes black, is perfectly ok with you.
– whats wrong with this picture?
When O! gives speeches in front of people like David he talks about pulling out of Iraq. In more serious venues he makes it clear that he would phase out the US troops gradually so as not to undermine the security gains. In principle then his position is the same as Bush nd McCain’s.
he’ll throw the nutroots a bone or two, but hes goin in the history books as not just the first black president, but as the man that fixed GW’s debacle in Iraq.
If Odierno wants to withdraw X number of troops by Y date, I’m guessing that O! will tell him to withdraw X minus 20,000 or Y minus six months. Bush will always own Iraq. The events of 2009-2011 will not change any minds. History is written by the victors, which in terms of American culture means Leftist academics. The Left believes and always will believe that the war in Iraq was a colossal mistake and failure, and they will always (correctly) link it to the Bush administration. Many of us on the right will always believe that it was a worthy gamble, and we will credit Bush and Petraeus if it succeeds. Obama’s Presidency will be known for other things. The endgame in Iraq will be playing out in the background as those events unfold.
this site was the mccain bash-o-matic…but now that hes ur candidate u have competely reversed position?
now mccain is St. John and Obama is the devul?
isnt that just a tech hypocritical?
Just because we are against O! as a president doesn’t mean McCain is our man. HOnestly, it is tiring that we have to explain this again and again to you when – by all outward appearances – you are a regular. Are you just that stupid, are do you skim a LOT.
Normally nishidiot isn’t worth more than a scroll-past, but this is too hilarious:
the Wests ceaseless tedious xian proselytizing…
Tedious? Yes, I suppose so, when the Mohammedans’ converting the unbeliever at the point of a sword, or the muzzle of a Kalashnikov, is just so much more fun.
– I’m waiting for some explanation to the obvious contradiction I posed for nishi’s “belief” in #75.
– Somehow I think it will be a long wait.
well, my lunch is over.
i splained that karl.
i wanted Jeff to explicitly say IDT was crapology, rather than advocating it be taught alongside ToE as a harmless counterexample.
are those the same thing?
i thanked him for making it clear.
hmmm…i just dont know Aldo…GW is virulently despised by the left.
leftist academics will not wish to credit him with success in Iraq.
winning will change everything.
it always does.
#74 BBH nailed you Nishi. It’s odd that someone who is so dismissive of religion and faith would be so vulnerable to a cult of personality. Or maybe it isn’t that odd now that I think about it.
BBH
religion and politics should never mix, IMHO.
i would just like you to keep it to yourselves and leave the rest of us alone.
“….Umm….We interrupt our regularly scheduled topic so that the true believers can be availed a 5 minute time out while the goalposts are moved to another field. Play will resume immediately following some announcements from your local station…don’t touch that dial folks….We’ll be right back.”
Aldo, i am dismissive of PUBLIC faith that forcibly insersts itself into politics.
What if it turns out that Obama intelligently designed the universe? A teaser.
The liar is running away now so let me note:
In the past week alone, I have written:
Thus nishi gets pwn3d twice in one thread.
faith should be personal and private.
where the theocons rile me is forcing it on others.
that forcibly insersts itself into politics
Ouch
– nishi….you are not paying attention if you think the slavering coming from the Left in a vertial swoon over a relatively unknown junior Senator is anything but religion dressed up in cult clothes.
Exposed as a liar, the liar starts changing the subject to one of her sstandard talking points.
i gtg
have a good singin campfire songs Burke, erm… Karl.
– religion and politics should never mix, IMHO.
– From that I take it you denounce rev Wright, or will you be having an audience with him soon to set him straight.
– I;m sure you would want to be consistant nixhi.
…and the liar gtg!
I’m fucking sick of your broad brush and overweening polemic, Nish. Sure you’re a smart one, but I’m beginning to think your narcissism is just too profound to be overcome. You don’t argue in good faith. You are inexorably terse and flip. I’ve been one of your biggest defenders here, not because of your dogma, but your brain. I’m a model agnostic myself, so there are perhaps few others here who are willing to offer you the slack I will (that and I’m a subgenius, so y’know). And still, you’ve managed to disgust me with your superciliousness.
Is the world changed through the intercession of people with the confidence to promote the unpopular? Yes. Unfortunately, that fact also provides cover for the arrogant to claim preeminence.
No matter, I’m sure you won’t have a moment’s cognitive dissonance over these remarks. You’re just too awesome to be bothered by fleeting criticism.
LAYUP!
“religion and politics should never mix, IMHO.”
Says the fake muslim. Lulz, indeed.
@ #75
1. Withdraw fewer troops or get them out sooner?
2. Either way, why would Obama issue such orders?
Fixed that for you.
There’s a lot there to concern myself with; I just try and focus on the area between a few miles under and 20 miles above sea level. The other couple of hundred billion cubic miles can take care of itself.
But still Slart, you could care less, if you tried.
The Left believes and always will believe (incorrectly)that the war in Iraq was a colossal mistake and failure, and they will always (correctly) link it to the Bush administration.
That was my intended meaning. Sorry to be unclear.
oh and 100! (+/- 3)
aith should be personal and private.
where the theocons rile me is forcing it on others.
Well, then I suggest you go find a few THEOCONS to go beat up. I will feel the need to defend theocons when you start feeling the need to defend global warming.
malaclypse the tertiary,
I used to defend her also. But being an aspie idiot savant doesn’t justify lying and weaselling every time one gest caught way out of one’s depth in one or two niche areas of knowledge.
Note: she “thanked” Jeff for a clarification, rather than apologize for blatantly misrepresenting what he wrote, which is what everyone else saw happening.
Quite frankly, if you look at her ‘net history, it is one of burning bridges everywhere, then pouting that ppl don’t like her.
Yeah, that whole death-penalty-for-non-believers thing kinda bothers me too.
Oh wait — you’re talking about Christians, aren’t you?
Isn’t the Arabic word for B.L.A.C.K. the same as their word for S.L.A.V.E.?
Yes I believe you are correct, I’m also pretty sure that in Sudan Arab muslims are killing black muslims because they are black. And if I remember correctly blacks of all religions are still being captured and turned into slaves by Arabs to this very day.
A person who thinks a black will have inroads with Arabs doesn’t know much about Arab culture. The real reason for Obama’s Arab support is because they consider him a muslim.
They perceive him as weak and an apostate.
Those that think of slavery as purely a “Europeans oppressing peoples of color” would also do well to look into the roots of the English word “slave”.
They perceive him as weak and an apostate.
Well they are right he is weak and a apostate, but as far as I’m concerned he is practicing taqiya. I was simply pointing out that nishi doesn’t know anything about Arabs if she thinks being black is a advantage when dealing with them.
#53 Rob –
That is supposed to be a nail-studded…
Oh, nevermind!
Nishi is one reason why I rarely read the comments on this blog. One can scroll past childish internet pollution only so many times.
Aldo, i am dismissive of PUBLIC faith that forcibly insersts itself into politics.
And where the theocons rile me is forcing it on others.
And you claim to be some sort of muslim? (Mikey now rolls his eyes…)
And i gtg means you got your head, ass, and various other assorted body parts handed to you. Here is a hint – pick a coherent theme and stick to it, while explaining why exceptions can be made for certain circumstances, but do not make the general theme incorrect. Human life isn’t all dihyrogenmonoxide simple, and if you would acknowledge that along with a core of coherent belief you would receive respect, matoko.
Here is a sample: “Darwin’s Theory states that living creatures can adapt to their environment, and that we can adapt living things – see domestic livestock. It does not say how life began. That question is outside of Darwin’s Theory.” Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to discuss how that is true or untrue. And please show all work.
Now look what you did, Karl. You ran off Pope Nishi the Addlepated.
As for Obama visiting Iraq, I’d hope this might have had something to do with it.
Actually it’s not, slave translates to Abdel, or abdullah (also servant) while black slaves were referred by the name
“Zanj’ as far back as the Arabian Nights tales. Infidel is kuffir, which is not unlike the Afrikaner insult for black, kaffir.
It’s unclear whether Sistani means patience in the sense of, “don’t freak out over Obama’s stupid campaign promises, he doesn’t really mean them” or “don’t get your hopes up, there’s going to be American troops in Iraq for a few more years yet”
But given that Sistani has avoided many opportunities to say “Yankee Go Home,” I think we can safely say he meant the first one.
remember i can read arabic.
You can’t even read English, liebot.
oh, hahahaha!
Bobby Jindal IS a snakehandler!!
hahahah,
zomg my sides hurt!
Q.E.D.
mala, we just had a whoppin discussion where Jeff and others said there was no republican war on science, and that creationist candidates were soundly rejected by the republican party!
and now we have Bobby Jindal, snakehandler.
just what the repubs need.
;)
oh, the irony!
I stand corrected.
However, the Arab would still ain’t gonna like Obama, except as much as they think he’s a Muslim.
Nishi, STFU.
make me
this guy is the Great Brown Hope of the republican party?
it is to laff
June 12, 2008
Can exorcist Bobby Jindal cure melanoma?
hes just a younger, melanin-enhanced, mike huckabee
Only those devoted to identity politics would need or want a hope qualified by color.
He’s more than likeable enough. And smart. Smarter than Lindsey Graham even.
Perception is reality.
Booga booga!
Exploding head in 5…4…3…
Omigod! He’s doing a miracle! He’s making change! That you can believe in!
J!
Sure, Pablo. But does he make anyone’s leg tingle?
And now the resident, “don’t push your beliefs on me”, moron is trying to push her beliefs by erecting an anti-religion test for public office or party membership.
Cool.
lulz, pablo, now lets see those same curves regressed on IQ and level of education.
hahaha
erecting an anti-religion test for public office
not me…the electorate will do it.
i dont think we can elect a mormon or a faithhealing evangelical in this country.
those religious memotypes are too extreme.
neither could we elect a scientologist.
its just the way it is.
elect as president, i mean.
For what? Graph away, if you like.
if Jindal ever runs, that faithhealin stuff will be worse than Obamas guilt-by-association with wright.
the interwebs and the media will have a field day with it.
dur, pablo, dont u get the cultural stereotype newsletter?
the highly educated and highly intelligent believe in ToE and are atheist.
say…i betcha that is almost perfect bell curve regression.
the lower 44% believe god made man is he is.
the upper half of the bell curve, approx 38% + 9%, believe in ToE.
hahaha
It looks more like 44% creationists, 38% believe in ID of some sort, and there’s the 9% who think God had nothing to do with the development of man. Or 44, 36 and 14% if you want to use the 2008 numbers.
Perception is reality, right? I perceive a twodigit outlier.
Attacking 44% of the electorate. What a great idea!
the lower 44% believe god made man is he is.
the upper half of the bell curve, approx 38% + 9%, believe in ToE.
hahaha
I love it when nishi comes right out and shows her ass.
#137, i mean the MSM will totally riff on the faithhealing==snakehandling aspect.
you know its true.
Anyone else amused when a Muslim attacks other peoples’ faith?
I don’t know why anyone gives nish the time of day. She’s emblematic of what’s wrong with this country: brainwashed in college, arrogant about her utter ignorance and illiberality, a baby fascist. She’s not worth two shits–but at least she has high self-esteem. Fuck her.