The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder:
Strategists for both John McCain and Barack Obama are chewing over a hypothetical scenario wherein Barack Obama recieves millions more votes than John McCain, but, because of the distribution of votes in the electoral college, McCain would become the president…
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So what happens if this scenario comes true? Well, Obama would be in the position of arguing that the popular vote matters more than the electoral vote (and would be wholly justified in doing so), even though the constitution clearly disagrees…
That would be highly amusing coming from Camp Obama, which did not win the popular vote for the Democratic nomination by three of the six possible combinations, and which is on record as saying the popular vote was not a “true metric” of the race. However, I agree that Obama would surely try it, and people like Ambinder would surely ignore the rank hypocrisy of the effort. Arguing that the popular vote is more important than the constiution is not only wholly unjustified, but an attack on the very idea of a republic.
(h/t Memeorandum.)
It’s good to see progs explaining their defeat in November so early. It sets the proper tone for the general.
Obama would be in the position of arguing that the popular vote matters more than the electoral vote (and would be wholly justified in doing so), even though the constitution clearly disagrees…
Can someone please at least try to explain the logic in that statement?
How could he be “wholly justified in doing so” if it is admittedly unconstitutional?
The Constitution is for poor people.
Can someone please at least try to explain the logic in that statement?
Everyone knows that reich-wingers cheat within the boundaries of the law while the true will of the people will have us led by the Lightbringer. Or something equally stupid.
Barack Obama, selected, not elected.
Wait!
DO OVER!
“Comment by TomB on 6/8 @ 8:49 am #
Can someone please at least try to explain the logic in that statement?
How could he be “wholly justified in doing so†if it is admittedly unconstitutional?”
Oh, you don’t speak Librul?
“How could he be “wholly justified in doing so†if it is admittedly unconstitutional?”
The Lightweight Vibrator has a special fertilizer to make the “living” Constitution grow into something new and completely different within the twinkling of an eye. That’s just the way mob rule works. Ask the Jacobins.
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.-C. Wright Mills
That is why we’re a republic, and that is why we have an Electoral College.
Karl, don’t get all excited about idiotic Ambinder’s fantasy.
I would not be.
If Obama will lose- no matter how, he will accept the defeat just like everybody else did, including Hillary.
( and unhinged supporters not affiliated directly with the contenders do not count).
Love those early bird speculations about nothing BS from Atlantic writers….
Don’t kid yourself Roboc, if O! can throw Wright under the bus, don’t you think he’d do the same to that moldy old document?
Shorter sashal: Pay no attention to that MSM behind the curtain.
If Obama will lose- no matter how, he will accept the defeat just like everybody else did…
This must be sashal first election here. What is the name of that movement to get some states to legally commit their electoral college votes to the national popular vote winner? I think it is active in Colorado, can’t really remember where else. That was an offshoot of Al Gore’s unacceptance of 2000.
(and would be wholly justified in doing so), even though the constitution clearly disagrees
Man if that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know about the left in America.
I just get tired of hearing this dragged out every presidential cycle when the Dhimms lose.
“If Obama will lose- no matter how, he will accept the defeat just like everybody else did, including Hillary.”
I believe Hillary’s intent, as demonstrated in her “suspension” speech, is to hang out behind Obama’s dogsled all the way to Denver, ready to club him and leave him for the wolves should he stumble.
All the while her minions (those who buy the “glass ceiling” crap)get ahead on the trail and string ropes between the trees at head height wherever they can find an opportunity.
And there will be a floor fight.
The constitution is an oppressive construct of the racist bourgeoisie!
Unless McCain wins the popular and loses the electoral college, then it’s sacrosanct.
I like this bit from Armbrinder:
“…but the public would most likely not stand down as they did in 2000.”
Gee Marc, what do you mean by “the public?” Methinks Monsieur Armbrinder’s concept of the “public” only incorporates party-hack Democrats, their moonbat allies, and the MSM.
Armbrinder’s noxious column is nothing less than an incitement to civil war.
It would appear that the same malady that has engulfed the mind of his ex-boyfriend, Exciteable Andy, has now overcome Ambinder’s brain as well.
I’m trying to remember the ‘stand-down’ from 2000. When did it happen?
They stood down? News to me. They LOST. They LOST the various recounts … they lost the re-count of the recounts. Yet they still go about it.
“nothing less than an incitement to civil war.”
Its overdue. From the book of Pete Clemenza, we need to get rid of a lot of bad blood. How better to line up on two sides than the Left openly refusing to be governed by the United States Constitution.
Tree of Liberty and all that . . .
If Obama will lose- no matter how, he will accept the defeat just like everybody else did,
Uh, except for Al Gore.
I believe Hillary’s intent, as demonstrated in her “suspension†speech, is to hang out behind Obama’s dogsled all the way to Denver, ready to club him and leave him for the wolves should he stumble.
Substitute November for Denver and I agree completely. The last thing Hill wants is Obama running for re-election in ’12.
B Moe –
True; I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Hillary’s victory conditions are “Obama loses” or “Obama gets too messianic and scares even moonbats into a write-in campaign”.
Interesting times.
Good God. Now they’ve edited Gore from their history. Anything for the Litebringer, I guess.
Arguing that the popular vote is more important than the constiution is not only wholly unjustified, but an attack on the very idea of a republic.
You mean you’ve got a problem with the idea of this country being ruled by California, New York, and Florida…?
No constitutional crisis on my end – then again, I can read plain english.
Hillary was waiting for him to stumble, and wonders why none of the crap we’ve seen counts as a stumble.
“Comment by sashal on 6/8 @ 9:15 am #
Karl, don’t get all excited about idiotic Ambinder’s fantasy.”
It’s not so much excitement as confirmation, if any is needed, of the left fascist mind set.
In any event, can the two-party system sustain another disparity? Will the grand feature of our democracy — not its fairness but its ability to perpetuate itself without violence — withstand the pressure?
And now, they’re throwing around threats of violence? I’ve been joking about that stuff, but this is dangerous.
I got your constitution hangin…right here.
O! Say it ain’t so:
How the jewish lobby works
By Juan Carlos from Knoxville, TN – Jun 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm EDT
Also listed in: Tennessee Action Team | Tennessee for Obama ’08
Cincinnatus –
“Hillary was waiting for him to stumble, and wonders why none of the crap we’ve seen counts as a stumble.”
Hillary went on 60 Minutes to explain why Bill should get a pass for serial adultery and lying whenever he was breathing.
She’s got precious little real estate on which to be affronted. Much, MUCH less to be surprised.
I think she has a new appreciation for media now. I humbly submit… she may try to move right of McCain on fiscal policy, specifically AGW, in light of what’s happening to the economy. The media is going to anoint (literally) the Transformative One and McCain… well, McCain is going to be packaged as across as an angry uncle who stumbled upon a few ideas he picked up from the New Deal and a Green website.
It’s a sad statement to the condition of the Republican party that I could even write those last two sentences.
How the jewish lobby works
Well there’s one for the archives and perhaps a fine exegesis by the Reverend Jerry Wright.
Link at 33 is busted, dre.
no B Moe, it looks like it’s been removed. it was working earlier. maybe too many people were looking at it and some administrator finally caught it.
cause it was some high-grade joooo hatin’ crazee.
Looks like maybe it was deleted. I did find this though:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/juancarloscruz
ATTN: thor
Socialists for Obama
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This blog is for those interested in learning how can we change this country from the current capitalist unfair system, into a real socialist, democratic system for all. This capitalist system of Bush and his cronies only benefit the upper classes. USA needs a 21st Century Socialist, Democratic and Participative system for the workers and people of this country, without fascism, without wars, but with peace, equality, socialism and love
“#Comment by B Moe on 6/8 @ 1:33 pm #
Link at 33 is busted, dre.”
Well that didn’t last long.Go here. Some folks have copied the page.
No, he means he knows the majority of the American people do not support him, McCain, or the “conservatism” they claim to represent and, if he has to win as a minority president, then that is what Thomas Jefferson wanted him to do. Minority rule is what gets Karl up in the morning to race bait Obama, Christ bait Obama, and scare all the good white folk away from the voting booth come November. Obama might be trying to get out the vote; Karl is trying to put the vote back in its small towns. It’s the only hope for people bereft of ideas.
Israel Matzav has the flava of the Juan Carlos Cruz stuff.
I thought about blogging it to point out that if you Google ol’ JCC, you’ll find his Amazon reviews, which include Truther stuff, praise for Alex Jones, etc.
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It’s the only“Hope” is for people bereft of ideas.Fixed that for you.
O!
White Goodman,
As I write in the next thread over, I have no problem with pseudonyms to the extent that the content of the comment is paramount. That you believe pointing out Obama’s choice to worship for 20 years in a race-baiting, conspiracy-mongering black liberation theology based church is itself race- or Christ-bating is laughable.
However, sock-puppetry is an abuse of anonymity, so I am letting everyone here know that you currently have more sock-puppets on-site than Greenwald ever did. Keep it up and I will ask Jeff’s permission to out you.
“Comment by Carin -BONC on 6/8 @ 10:04 am #
They stood down? News to me. They LOST. They LOST the various recounts … they lost the re-count of the recounts. Yet they still go about it.”
They lost when the NY Times and a consortium of other reactionary leftist rags did an independant recount and the President won.
They still lie about it.
White Goodman aka timmah aka timb aka IJS aka mendoucheous asshat …
They counted them using nine different sets of assumptions, and Bush won eight of the nine. The one he lost? Counting every vote throughout the State using the most restrictive standard, which was allegedly the one that Bush wanted to use for the Miami-Dade recount. Irony so thick and chewy, you can lose a tooth.
He would have lost by less than 600 votes. But Gore’s team would have gleefully committed murder on live TV than let Bush have his way…