And unfortunately for Obama and his allegedly sunny politics of hope, what Mrs. Obama seems to say with grim regularity is that America is a scary, bleak, and hopeless place.
Here she is, for instance, in Wisconsin:
“Life for regular folks has gotten worse over the course of my lifetime, through Republican and Democratic administrations. It hasn’t gotten much better.”
America is “just downright mean” and “guided by fear . . . We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day.”
“Folks are struggling like never before . . . When you’re that busy struggling all the time, which most people that you know and I know are, you don’t have time to get to know your neighbor . . . In fact, you feel very alone in your struggle, because you feel that somehow it must be your fault that you’re struggling so hard . . . People are afraid, because when your world’s not right, no matter how hard you work, then you become afraid of everyone and everything, because you don’t know whose fault it is, why you can’t get a handle on life, why you can’t secure a better future for your kids . . . Fear is the worst enemy. It . . . creates this veil of impossibility, and it is hanging over all of our heads.”
There is also her creepily authoritarian vision of life under an Obama administration. From a speech in California:
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.”
Sore-ing oratory
Michelle Obama’s magical fairy godmother wand
Will my re-education camp be smoke free?
Yes Thomas, but sadly there will be no fruit available. If Michelle’s children can’t have fruit, then neither can you.
“…Obama will require you to work…”
Obama will be told to go fuck himself.
Don’t forget that she will take your pie. What kind of person takes your pie?!
Also, this post is a distraction from the real problems that people face everyday, like the struggles millionaires face when trying to pay off their student loans, or keeping fresh fruit in the house for their children.
That comment didn’t help her children, JD.
And dance lessons. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN DON’T FORGET THE DANCE LESSONS!!!
OH, THE HUMANITY!!!
/sarc
We can haz ponie rydes?
We can haz someone else’s pie ?
Hillary would also take your pie. McCain, while allowing you to keep your pie will not allow you to talk about it within 90 days of an election. Ron Paul believes the pie is part of a greater conspiracy to seat a monarch.
They can take my pie when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Oh, Dan! You can no haz pie! lulz
I wonder if she’s Mme Defarge, with a Blackberry instead of knitting needles.
B. Hussein Obama evidently thinks I’m lazy, cynical, divisive, insular, smug, self-satisfied and apathetic. Well that’s what Wifey is getting at, I reckon.
Schtruggle Schtruggle glub glub blubbah
McCain, while allowing you to keep your pie will not allow you to talk about it within 90 days of an election.
All three of them are convinced the steam rising from your pie is a crisis, and demand a slice.
She is a badass bitch. I like her.
Jackie Brown, y’all!
oops, meant to refer to O!, not Ron Paul…all three of the candidates.
If that bitch touches my pie, I will punch her right in her goddamn mouth.
Here. You can have some fucking fruit. But I’m telling you: Don’t touch the pie.
“Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.â€Â
And no one in the California crowd was insulted by her characterizing them as typical secluded ignoramuses. Fucking lemmings!
It’s all Whitney’s fault.
It’s all Whitney’s fault.
They did play that one song of hers at every graduation for like 10 years.
Who can blame her for being upset? I mean, if I was struggling to get by on a few million bucks a year, I guess that would indicate that I had some big problems, too. Really big problems.
Really, Sean. I mean, the Obama’s couldn’t even afford the garden attached to their house.
Sad times, indeed.
It’s because of amerikkka…
But what about fruit pies?
Of the Hostess variety?
Cherry especially, I cling to it.
So cat, and dog, and pig and turkey, all waited for Henny Penny and her chicks to eat the bread.
Then they wrung Henny’s neck and ate the lot of them.
http://www.sacpermaculture.com/hennypenny.htm
Chicken pie.
SarahW,
Very unifying, I would say.
That really is creepy authoritarianism! Clearly her words should be taken literally, and Obama plans to urge the legislature to send him bills outlawing cynicism, divisions and comfort zones. Clearly.
On the other hand, neocon “theories” of executive power that give the POTUS unlimited power during time of war – and make the battlfield the whole Earth and the war interminable – those aren’t authoritarian. They’re a small gov’t – classical liberal, if you will – solution to modern day problems.
So what does “Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed” really mean, steve-o?
“Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.â€Â
I don’t need no Doctor
He’s printing up a little cafe-au-lait book of sayings we’re to memorize and recite on demand.
No comfort zones! I’m joining the orange underground! Cheetos and handjobs for all my men!
Karl:
The chickens have come home to roast!
“So what does “Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed†really mean, steve-o?”
It’s very, very, painfully obviously a metaphor – that as POTUS he’s going to reach across the isle, tackle verbotten issues, etc. It’s sort of empty political rhetoric to be sure – but “creepily authoritarian”?. The notion that there will literally be legislation pushed for to stop cynicism or divisions (whatever that means) is so absurd that anyone entertaining that interpretation is an idiot.
Once you go B’rack, you’ll never go back, right, Steve?
The notion that there will literally be legislation pushed for to stop cynicism or divisions (whatever that means) is so absurd that anyone entertaining that interpretation is an idiot.
Sure steve, and net neutrality and the fairness doctrine are figments of our overactive imagination.
Ed Guy,
Can’t believe you left out speech codes.
“Once you go B’rack, you’ll never go back, right, Steve?”
Substantive, Danny.
Why, he’s a community organizer for the whole country!
Metaphors like that rolling around in peoples skulls gives me the metaphorical willies.
“Comment by Dan Collins on 6/3 @ 11:24 am #
Why, he’s a community organizer for the whole country!”
It’s Community Organizer™!
This is good:
“Senator Obama’s foreign policy seems to be somewhere between Rodney King’s “Can’t we just get along?” and Alfred E. Neuman’s “What, me worry?””
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/irrelevant_apologies.html
Well, what does she mean, stevie? He’s going to teach us how to think?
OK, what do y’all think it means – be as specific as you can. You literally think that Obama’s going ot push for lawsoutlawing cynical speach?
This is th problem wiht politics now. People like you are SO partisan that all Democrats are commies, the devil, and stole the Lindberg baby. It’s just so inane.
And this talk about authortarianism from the neocon movement that’s endorsed the Yoo ‘view’ of the constitution.
Well, what does she mean, stevie?
READ THE POSTS – it’s incredibly usefule in discerning what I’m writing.
I said, at 35:
“It’s very, very, painfully obviously a metaphor – that as POTUS he’s going to reach across the isle, tackle verbotten issues, etc. It’s sort of empty political rhetoric to be sure – but “creepily authoritarianâ€Â?. “
I’m going to revolutionize how all of you people view the world, and by the time you’re enlightened, you’ll see things my way.
I wonder if Collins is just some sort of bot set to ‘wise ass’ mode or some such. Becasue really, after the one liners – there’s nothing there.
Don Rickles mode maybe?
steve, you are just so damned cute when you’re being ironic.
Oh, yeah, I know about the verboten issues. I imagine it will be like this sacred conversation on race we’ve been having, won’t it, stevie?
Karl,
Good point regarding speech codes, but I was limiting myself to attempted acts of government.
It’s going to transfigure us, as a nation. We won’t be just downright mean, anymore.
Mamabama’s going to give us a good talking to, and we’re going to shape up, fly right.
“Oh, yeah, I know about the verboten issues. I imagine it will be like this sacred conversation on race we’ve been having, won’t it, stevie?”
See what I mean? Try as one might, you can’t find a shred of any content there. I’ll say this, Collins3000 – whoever programed you did a goddamn good job! It’s taken me years to figure you out, but I still say you didn’t pass the Turing test…
Uh huh. Because it’s so well known that the Dems think so highly of their ideological opposites and offer nothing but praise for principled stands, right, steve?
It’s sort of empty political rhetoric to be sure
Would you say its a sort of mythological story designed to push people to act in a way that advances the progressive agenda? A lie for the common good?
And what part of my calling it ’empty political rhetoric’ didn’t everyone get?
Not mencaing enough – we need more! That must be the clssical liberal POV talkin’
“Would you say its a sort of mythological story designed to push people to act in a way that advances the progressive agenda? A lie for the common good?”
In a way it is. But it’s not unique to Obama – or any political party – to do this.
Beyond that, I’m arguing that it’s not ‘creepily authoritarian’, but empty political rhetoric.
You know a spoonful of sugar might help get that message down. This too.
Oh it’s plenty menacing steve, and for the reasons I already pointed out to you. The good news is we are going to refashion man, and this time we won’t fail.
Uh…steve:
“It’s very, very, painfully obviously a metaphor …”
… is what you said.
This is what Mrs. Obama said about her husband, should he achieve office as chief executive of the country:
“““Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.â€Â
This is what I hear loudest out of that mess:
Require. Demand. YOU put down YOUR. YOUR isolation, YOU move out of YOUR… will never allow YOU … YOUR lives as usual – univolved, uninformed.
Barak’s not selling self – help DVD’s. He’s running for the highest office in the free world, and there’s nothing metaphorical about the intent communicated by his angrier half.
It’s not his job to fix my view of the world, or to put me in my proper place in my society.
Respectfully, he obviously thinks differently.
Not so respectfully, fuck him and the bigoted, ignorant, insular horse he’s riding with all those other leeches.
“Uh huh. Because it’s so well known that the Dems think so highly of their ideological opposites and offer nothing but praise for principled stands, right, steve?”
Of course not – but the same can be said of the Republicans.
Look – if you really think one of the political parties is full of the ‘good guys’, then you’re out of touch w/ reality. I’m not going to sit here and say glowing things oabout Dems – but the notion that the Republicans are any better when it comes to empty political rhetoric, or vemomous speech about the other side, or lying cheat and stealing is an absurdity. I like amany of th ePOISTIONS of the dems, but that doesn’t mean I think they’re all great people. They’re politicians looking out for themselves.
#10, Dan.
Ooohh, you don’t know how skillfully “convincing” “they” could be. You will give it up voluntarily. And the local newspaper will praise the pioneer in the promoting the cause of the common man…
But I can assure you, I met them before and BHO ain’t one of those……
“Require. Demand. YOU put down YOUR. YOUR isolation, YOU move out of YOUR… will never allow YOU … YOUR lives as usual – univolved, uninformed.”
Well like I said above Tmj – if you think Obama’s going to push for legislation for cynical speech or start work camps or whatever – you’re a paranoid idiot. Sorry to tell ya…
The thing that creeps me out, steve-o, is that Michelle’s rhetoric is very, very out-of-touch with reality (on the economic issues) and very, very “mission” oriented (on social issues). She really believes life’s gotten worse for the average person over her lifetime? She really thinks most people are struggling day-to-day? That we’re all afraid of the future?
The social mission crap is creepy because she seems to think Barack has the answers, and that the rest of us better just go along with it. He’s not going to allow any indifference. He’s going to make us work for his goals.
Ya know, if the left is allowed to hyperventilate over someone saying a prayer at a commencement, or putting a creche on public property, then the right damned well be allowed to hyperventilate over this kind of language. It rubs us the wrong damned way; we (at least, I) just want the damned busybodies out of our lives!
it seems to me, steve is just trying to enforce some kind of fairness doctrine here. DAN YOU WILL MAKE A POST CRITICIZING A REPUBLICAN RIGHT THIS MINUTE!!! STEVE DEMANDS IT!!!!
That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.â€Â
Except for that tricky stuff like figuring out your taxes and retirement plans and health insurance. And, teaching your preschooler their letters and number (UNIVERSAL PRESCHOOL!) No, the government will take care of all that for you … don’t you worry one bit …
Pat Buchanan is a fuckhead.
But I can assure you, I met them before and BHO ain’t one of those……
You assume that it will take the same course in every nation. History shows that it will be packaged to suit the sensibilities of the people to whom it is being sold. Nazism, Italian fascism, and Soviet Socialism are similar enough to be the ideological cousins, but were sold to the people under different banners.
And no, I don’t expect that Obama is after one of those ends. His flavor will be more like Wilson or Roosevelt.
“Ya know, if the left is allowed to hyperventilate over someone saying a prayer at a commencement, or putting a creche on public property, then the right damned well be allowed to hyperventilate over this kind of language. It rubs us the wrong damned way; we (at least, I) just want the damned busybodies out of our lives!”
There’s a difference between ‘rubs you the wrong way’ and actually believing that Obama’s going take over and we’ll be living in some collective. I don’t agree with alot of what she says or think it has 0 content, I think htat’s bad enough
Maybe not “work camps”, but how about requiring those getting government college loans/grants to do “volunteer” work? Or (as is the case in some areas already) requiring “volunteer” work for high school graduation?
And maybe not “cynical speech”, but, hey, is “hate speech” protected by the First Amendment? We’ve already seen how his supporters will gleefully declare any criticism of him to be “racism” — even pointing out the obvious bigots he’s associated with for two freaking decades gets you branded a “racist” — so is it unreasonable to be concerned?
And you ignored the critical point of TmjUtah’s comment:
It’s not his job to fix my view of the world, or to put me in my proper place in my society.
So why is it part of his campaign rhetoric?
Does Mrs O! look a little mean in that picture? I suppose it’s all Whitney’s fault.
Godwin’s Law affirmed at post70. The ironically named “Education Guy” certainly has studies history, and realizes that the Obama’s political rhetoric can be analogized to…. the Nazis. I mean really – can a better historical analogy be found? I think not….
“– if you think Obama’s going to push for legislation for cynical speech or start work camps or whatever – you’re a paranoid idiot.
Well, steve, the REPUBLICAN candidate already has his name on a law that regulates political speech. That one was signed by a Republican president and has already stood substantially unchanged after a cursory Supreme Court challenge.
Words mean things. Now we have on the horizon a Democrat majority house, a Democrat majority senate, and very possibly a chief executive so far left that people like Bernie Sanders will blanch.
The published agenda of the Democrats includes confiscatory taxation, speech restrictions, discrimination based on race and ethnicity, disarming the citizenry, and surrender in the face of foreign AND domestic threats.
It’s not paranoia if they really are after you, steve.
Who’s the idiot here, again?
Steve:
I understand that Obama and the little missus employ metaphors. When Michelle said O would require us to “give up some of our pie,” I knew she wasn’t talking about literal pie. The thing is that the substance behind that metaphor, the essence of which she is trying to explain with a metaphor is scary as hell! It’s old fashioned, sharp stick in the eye Socialism.
Just saying something is a metaphor does not make it less creepy.
” and make the battlfield [sic] the whole Earth and the war interminable”
Welcome to the Fourth Generation.
Yeah, that’s got to be the neo-con’s fault, too.
I hate to tell you this steve, but you have difficulty with reading comprehension. You see that last statement there where I am clearly pointing out that Obama will NOT take the Nazi path? Sort of the anti-Godwin really.
So the man who spent his teenage years mentored by a Marxist who praised the Red Army, who built his political career with theological AND economic Marxists (Project Acorn and TUCC), and who has built a campaign that’s more a cult of personality than a political platform doesn’t worry you the least bit?
Oh, and before you can say it: BOLSHEVIST!
I agree that hate speech laws are unconstitutional, but I’m not sure that’s what she’s saying.
Ya know what it’s like? Like Bush in the run-up to his first election saying he wants ot be a uniter not a divider. What does that mean? Really nothing, but they all say stuff like this.
I’m still sort of laughing that people who back Yoo’s views (I’m a poet and i didn’t even realize it) on the executive are worried about ‘creepily authoritarian’ political rhetoric about Oabam not allowing cyinicism and comfort zones. this material writes itself.
Steve apparently has a problem distinguishing between progressives and fascists.
Steve, don’t you know that fascism is everywhere, just ask Jonah and Jeff
I don’t think Obama can be elected to the Presidency but I am damn glad to live under a Constitution that pits the interests of tripartite power centers against one another.
Did you read the book sashal?
OK, so this post has now outted Obama as a Nazi, Marxist and Bolshevist. Nice work. Completely in touch w/ reality, of course.
Will anyone go Lindburgh baby for me? PLEEEEAAAASSSE?
What about the Devil? I don’t mean metophorically – I mean the literal Prince of Lies? Could he be the literal Beast?
rob, you know who also spent his youthfull years mentored by Marxists–Sahkarov, kasparov, Sharanaski, me, and many other people
I know Sashal – Jonah’s book was particularly enlightening. Did you know that Nazi’s were concerned with their health and eating right? Sound like anyone you know? Did you know that Nazi’s wore clothes? See where I’m going here?
What a piece of scholarhsip that was….
Come on, Steve, Godwin’s Law requires someone to be called a Nazi. Saying that if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck–i.e., authoritarians are authoritarians regardless of their self-appellations–is not calling someone a Nazi.
She really believes life’s gotten worse for the average person over her lifetime? She really thinks most people are struggling day-to-day? That we’re all afraid of the future?
I don’t claim to know for sure, but I think she believes this message rings true with at large segment of her target audience, that is, blacks who have heretofore been rather cynical about participation in the political process. Bill Cosby’s chilly reception notwithstanding, I think there is dismay at the downward spiral of the last 40 years in family, community, and general valuing of acheivement and self government. I think this is what she’s speaking too, even more coyly than I.
“speaking to”, that is.
“It’s not paranoia if they really are after you, steve.”
No- actually in this case it is.
EG, I will never ever read this book, I have better things to do with my life…
Like I told Jeff once, the childish comparison of fascism as a statism to socialism a do not need Jonah for, I can do it on my own. I bet I also can find similarities if I put my mind to it in the Egypt of Pharaoh and contemporary Luxemburg…
How could there be a downward spiral over 40 years, all while under the tutelage of right meaning community organizers who know the way?
steve have you met nishi? She also likes to repeatedly assert things that are demonstrably untrue.
Try to understand that comparing Obama to Wilson or Roosevelt is not the same as calling him a Nazi, or a fascist. The first paragraph is merely a reminder to sashal that similar ideological structures can form by different paths.
Hitler understood this, and so does Obama! (just kidding)
“Some of those SS guys used to like to taste each others’ bratwurst,” he added, homophobically.
I agree with all of you. Obama will make us all commies, and use Nazi tactics to do so. No paranoia, no tin foil hats – this real people.
At leas tI’ll save money on clothes, since I’m assuming we’ll all dress the same.
Actually, will there even be money, comrades?
That would be you, steve-o, as no one here has made any such suggestion. But you keep tilting at those neo con imperial Bushhitler McChimpy-Burton windmills now, ya hear? just don’t exhaust the unicorns.
The cartoons … in your head … they are angry this afternoon…
Here’s my Tom Swifty for the day:
America is Mean, said Michelle Obama.
“Come on, Steve, Godwin’s Law requires someone to be called a Nazi. Saying that if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck–i.e., authoritarians are authoritarians regardless of their self-appellations–is not calling someone a Nazi.”
No – it means using the Nazis ananolgically, and that was sufficed.
As to Jonahs book, I’m reading it now. It’s interesting, but before I would comment on it, I want to allow him to finish the argument. I’m only a couple chapters in.
“That would be you, steve-o, as no one here has made any such suggestion. But you keep tilting at those neo con imperial Bushhitler McChimpy-Burton windmills now, ya hear? just don’t exhaust the unicorns.”
Do you agree with John Yoo – and the Bush admin’s – view on the constitution?
# 95 ! bravo.
fucking hilarious, I still collecting myself piece by piece from the floor.
LLOOLL.
Do we need to issue a timmah alert?
Someone help me… the goalposts … THEY ARE RUNNING AWWWWWWAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
I can sum up Jonah’s book : find all of the things that the left has in common with the Nazis, inncocuous or not, ignore analogies that might also fit (even thought they’d be stupid too) the right, and say “see – they’re like Nazis, but I’m not saying that they ARE Nazis”. Just awful, awful advocacy driven “scholarship”.
Steve
I thought you claimed to be a poet? So now you’re going to instruct ignorant ciphers like us on Constitutional Theory?
ayep, BJTexs. There’s a reason “steve” is number 2 on the list of “stupid commenter” names. dave being no. 1.
“OK, so this post has now outted Obama as a Nazi, Marxist and Bolshevist. ”
I too thought that O! having a band play the Soviet national anthem at his gig in Portland a little over the top.
Have you read it steve?
95 was pretty funny. He may be a machine, but he’s programmed with some real zingers!
Yeah, unfortunately I did read it. to ‘settle’ an argument with a friend.
“using the Nazis ananolgically”
Whoops steve, that joke’s belonging about one thread up.
“I can sum up Jonah’s book : find all of the things that the left has in common with the Nazis,”
Oh so that’s why it is called Liberal Fascism.
“I too thought that O! having a band play the Soviet national anthem at his gig in Portland a little over the top.”
Since I like humor better than politics, that would be a fucking hillarious prank. Hand the band the Soviet anthem, put “Souza” on the top, and you’ve got comedy gold…
steve, I bet, if my mastery of English was as good as Jonah’s and my momma was named Lucien I could have been able to do the similar trick
knowing who will be mostly the consumer of that so called “work”.
Put a goal in front of yourself , selectively find in history the events and quotes which can support your premise, and selectively disregard those which don’t.
Sashal – EG, I will never ever read this book, I have better things to do with my life…
Well, then perhaps you should stop using it as an example?
SteveObama will make us all commies, and use Nazi tactics to do so. No paranoia, no tin foil hats – this real people.
I’m afraid O! will initiate socialist policies which could become a dangerous tipping point for our Representative Republic. In all seriousness. My (only) hope is that his inexperience will result in a failure to get much done, which would be a good thing.
Pay no attention to …
The Presidential candidate with the socialist running his web site, his former Weathermen fellow board members, his hater pastor, his racist church, his angry, pie grabbing wife, his poor, poor grandma, his communist father, his Alinsky style community activism, his chiccago machine politics background, Tony Rezko …
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
O! (noes)
“Oh so that’s why it is called Liberal Fascism.”
Yeah – but my point is that it’s contrived out of advocacy. To do an analysis like that, you need to point out what both parties may have in common – and what they DON’T have in common. He had really assinine shit in there like public health concern. To point out innocuous similarities and be selective about it – makes it worthless.
And I think comparing Bush ot Hitler is the same thing. I’ve never seriously compared anyone to Hitler. It’s ridiculous. And it’s even worse when people are pussies about it ‘Well, I’m not saying they ARE Nazis, but they’re LIKE Nazis” it’s just so stupid.
Ya know, MAggie calling me stupid is a good thing when ya think about it…
“Steve
I thought you claimed to be a poet?”
Unless O! outlaws poetry. Then I’ll have ot find other work
So BJ – do you agree with Yoo or not? It think it’s perfectly germane to ask if we’re going to talk about O! (I do love that , BTW) as an authoriitarian
I can haz pie?
O! (noes)
Is Yoo running for president? Cool! I don’t have to vote for McCain or write in that fuckhead Buchanan!
O! (noes)
only if you share. AND YOU WILL SHARE!!!
BJTex, my friend, if God forbid they will come and start expropriate our property and force us to recite poems praising dear leader, you can come and live with me.
I hope to gain a respect from the stormtroopers of fascistic socialists, me being ex-Marxists and such, you know.
So you will be safe here, bro…
Economic determinism is right out of bounds. No talking about central control of economies. No comparing theories of government that aim at collecting all the powers of the state into the hands of a very few knowing men to dispense as they see fit for the benefit of their miserable ignorant subjects.
It requires an actual comparison, nitwit. Godwin’s Law isn’t invoked unless someone says either: a, Obama is a Nazi; or b, Obama is like a Nazi in some way.
That’s not what the post did; it provided context.
BECAUSE A MEMO IS LAW OF THE LAND!!!
“Yeah – but my point is that it’s contrived out of advocacy”
of small government conservatism which stands in opposition to big government advocacy whether it’s promulgated by commies, nazis, fascists, progressives or “liberals”.
To read it with an intent to understand it? Or did you read it like you read our comments?
“BECAUSE A MEMO IS LAW OF THE LAND!!!”
So if someone advocates a particular position – but that position doesn not become law (even though that’s sort of not applicable because it’s about interpretation of current law and not a new law), then the advocate of that position cannot have their stance questioned? Wow.
See what I mean about feeling good that you called me stupid?
“To read it with an intent to understand it? Or did you read it like you read our comments?”
Yeah. Bias is only a problem for me.
And Jonah’s right – I’m LIKE a Nazi. What tripe.
No share me pie. BANG plop
“of small government conservatism which stands in opposition to big government advocacy whether it’s promulgated by commies, nazis, fascists, progressives or “liberalsâ€Â.”
Because the Republicans still stand for small gov’t? They’re just like Goldwater…
Of course, steve-o has to ignore the examples of the Progressives openly admiring fascists, of the intellectual cross-fertilization between fascists, communists, and progressives, and the continuity of progressive rhetoric and aims.
But, hey, the Nazis liked to eat healthy, and who doesn’t, so obviously all comparisons are null and void.
steve-o: Methinks teh unicorn is exhausted now.
nappy time
I dodn’t blame BJ for dodging – becasue if you go down that road, you’ll be complete made to look silly. So ignore all you don’t like and pretend it doesn’t exist. Nice.
At least MAggie tried, sort of…
because all caps are for serious comments. ;D
I call bullshit on your claim to have read the book, particularly since Goldberg goes out of his way to make clear he’s not saying that.
Nappie time – ignore my own neocon doctrine – just close your eyes and maybe it will go away
The whole refashioning of the human condition to craft a new form of man, the usage of lies to sell an ideological point, the suppression of individuality in favor of the group or state, the defining of authentic as anything that fits the goals of the party and as heretic that which does not, the continuous need to battle that which holds man back (war on poverty, war on drugs), the desire to integrate children into the ideology at a very young age.
We have seen these things before, but you go ahead and mock it as wearing the same clothes or eating food. Clearly history has nothing to teach you.
This post was about neocon doctrine???!!!
So Steve, your answer to my question above is…yes?
“I call bullshit on your claim to have read the book, particularly since Goldberg goes out of his way to make clear he’s not saying that.”
No, he gets around it like I say in 118:
And it’s even worse when people are pussies about it ‘Well, I’m not saying they ARE Nazis, but they’re LIKE Nazis†it’s just so stupid.
But it’s the same BS tactic
Oh, my God! It’s steve’s stormtroopers marching four by four and … and … and…
THEY’RE ALL STRAWMEN!!!!!!
AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! (11!eleventy!11) !!!!!
“Because the Republicans still stand for small gov’t? They’re just like Goldwater…”
No. I would though call J. Goldberg a small government conservative.
Nice addition Dan
“This post was about neocon doctrine???!!!”
Still not answering, ha?
Yes, it is. Becasue many here want to make the point that Obama will be an authoritarian, and I’m pointing out the inconsistency of saying that while backing Bush et al. ideas about executive power.
well, but you’re missing the part where steve knows we all think alike.
I haz doctrine?
BJ still won’t answer. I don’t blame him.
But if you are going to post as you are, be funny. Please?
What question Sdferr?
And once again, I was not, I repeat NOT comparing Obama to the Nazi’s. I was pointing out that totalitarian regimes follow the path that works for them inside a given society.
And then I compared Obama to Wilson and Roosevelt. Both progressives, and both with fascist tendencies, but both clearly NOT Nazis.
Rob:”the examples of the Progressives openly admiring fascists, of the intellectual cross-fertilization between fascists, communists, and progressives, and the continuity of progressive rhetoric and aims.”
1.Were there examples of Progressives who did not admire nazis?
2. Were there examples of far-right admiring and supporting nazis?
3. and also intellectual crossover between far-right and fascism?
and off topic, who was Bush’ grandfather Prescott-progressive?
So you people are for making the pres a dictator, but you wanna lecture about authoritarianism. Unreal.
and you base this all on a MEMO!!!
So can you spell out for me what ‘Bush et al. ideas about executive power’ are? Who, besides Pres. Bush hisself, is et al.? And what are the ‘ideas’?
I’ll show you, steve. I’m gonna write a memo! Bwaaahahahahahaa!
to: Pablo
re: Memo writing
don’t. just don’t.
“I’ll show you, steve. I’m gonna write a memo! Bwaaahahahahahaa!”
One that adopted by the exec! And just to remind you:
So if someone advocates a particular position – but that position doesn not become law (even though that’s sort of not applicable because it’s about interpretation of current law and not a new law), then the advocate of that position cannot have their stance questioned? Wow.
What question Etienne? This question, the one you skipped over before:
I thought you claimed to be a poet? So now you’re going to instruct ignorant ciphers like us on Constitutional Theory?
I’m impressed anyone here even attempts to engage steve. He isn’t here to change anyone’s minds, he’s just here to sling accusations like a blog-commenting McCarthy.
Piez mezza O! MEMO?
I won the argument! Yaaaaayyyyy!
Neocon, neocon, oval office desk,
oppressing, molesting, imperialistic best.
“Now take the finely shredded remains of the constitution and whip them in a bowl with olive oil, garlic, cilantro, basil and some lemon zest and the leftover charred Bill of Rights. Once you can form imperial peaks in the mixture slather it over the burnt remains of brown Iraqis and serve cold.”
EG:;
“The whole refashioning of the human condition to craft a new form of man, the usage of lies to sell an ideological point, the suppression of individuality in favor of the group or state, the defining of authentic as anything that fits the goals of the party and as heretic that which does not, the continuous need to battle that which holds man back (war on poverty, war on drugs), the desire to integrate children into the ideology at a very young age.”
We do not have to wait for BHO to do this(and he is definetely not going to), look around, you just described btw in large part neoconservatism movement and it’s goal of imposing it’s ideology on other people….
I’m sorry – I forgot some stuff:
Piez mezza O! MEMO? NAZI commie Marx.
OK, now I think I have your arguments down pat
sashal
Well it has certainly been sold that way by those who disagree.
Hey, I just learned that Barry ran not just as a Democrat in 1996 for state legislator, but as the candidate for some little neo-Socialist party. The kind of party that hinks money grows on trees watered with the blood of plutocrats.
Where “plutocrats” is “anyone who disagrees with socialists.”
Oh, wait … I see it .. I see it now! It’s the Neo cons. THE NEO CONS!
THEY ARE THE NEW COMMIES AND FASCISTS! THEY ARE THE NEW NAZIS!!!!
[…]
Nope, still don’t see it. Can i haz doctrine? (lulz)
well, some days you humor the kids.
If McCain will adopt a little brown baby, I can definitely get him to adopt my memo. Your ass is mine, pal! Mwaahahahahaaa!
BJTex, #125 still stands.
You will be safe, buddy
I was going to apply for a position with the neocon secret police, but it turned out that the jackboots clashed with my eyes. It’s important to be fashionable while committing acts of thuggery on behalf of the state. You never know who’s watching.
Could be blibs holding Michelle’s magic wand.
So, stevo, since you have born fully formed from your brow the idsea that ev eryone here embraces the literal word of the conclusions in Yoo’s memo, how do you feel about Obama having signed on with the New Party, which included the follwing platform:
Signed document trumps memo!
BJTexs
You left out the clause about Ponies!
I don’t know, pal. Russian ex marxist progressives kinda scare me. ;-)
Sdferr; That’s unicorns, bub!
Oh. I mean O! But I wanted a real live stinky pony. You know, to mow the grass and shit.
You won’t need ponies or unicorns to mow your grass and … uh … shit. There will be full employment and a universal wage. You won’t have a lawn, only a small vegetable garden, organic, with a plastic pool.
I’m keeping my eye on you … O!
Unicorns it is then. Hooray! Unicorns!
I think you might be secretly yearning for some discipline from Mrs. Obama, Dan. Especially if she is wearing Condi Rice’s Sexy Cockslapping and Trampling Knee Boots.
Spikey, spikey. Plays piano too! Loves Brahms! Thrilling, n’est ce pas?
It’s like Roboc says, Lisa. “We likes our wimmens like we likes our coffee: black, strong and bitter.”
#187: LOL!
So you didn’t read it for comprehension.
Question: who coined the term “liberal fascism”?
Oh, and steve-o, the BOLSHEVIST comment was for sashal, who believes that anyone who advocates removing dictators is a bolshevist.
He’s kinda nutty that way, so I like to poke him.
They are spy boots, of course. LazORbeams come out the shanks.
Mrs. O! as a dominatrix – scary.
With a dominatrix at least you know where you stand. The deceptively weak, pale, and artificially sweetened could just clock you with their ortho-boot when you are not looking.
I really like her. She is tres cool.
Hey, quit calling the Neo-Progs “Nazis”… I admit to having a definite fascist streak in me.. I’m quite sure it would be a better world if I was dictator.. but if these inept Progs are truly Nazis then they’re an embarrassment to Fascist leaning thinkers everywhere.. Just call them Liberals.. That says it all.
I hope Lisa isn’t bein sarc.
I like Michelle a lot.
She has a bite to her, an edge, like good whiskey.
She’s not a cookiecutter vanilla pablum homemaker and she doesn’t front.
I like her clothes, too.
;)
Ah, the left. Disingenuous, hypocritical, juvenile. What more could you want?
If your argument in favor of something fails, you try to turn it against your foes. If that fails, you start arguing about what words mean.
Infants.
I especially like that she doesn’t grovel and apolo when ppl don’t like what she says, even if it might more politic to do so.
and that isnt a faery godmother wand.
it is The Twig of the World Tree
I especially like that she doesn’t grovel and apolo when ppl don’t like what she says, even if it might more politic to do so.
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN)  Parents of hundreds of children seized from a polygamist sect are free to begin picking up their kids under an order a Texas judge issued Monday.
Judge Barbara Walther told the Department of Family and Protective Services to allow parents to come get the 440 children starting at 10 a.m. CT (11 a.m. ET) Monday.
Suck it, nishit.
Ugggghhh. I see Nishi’s still here.
She has a bite to her, an edge, like good whiskey.
Strange – Whiskey is normally sold on how smoooov it is.
She’s not a cookiecutter vanilla pablum homemaker and she doesn’t front.
“vanilla” – nice, classy commentary.
“homemaker” – is this term now derogatory
“doesn’t front” – I’m hip… I’m happenin’… I’m diversified… I’m enlightened. I am down, for a white chick.
I like her clothes, too.
wow.
but, does her picture look good on a t-shirt?
#196: No I am not being sarcastic. I really like her.
you suck it SBP
temporary custody dude
but, does her picture look good on a t-shirt?
im sure it will….she is quite photogenic.
i have recieved many compliments on Obama pin, which i wear consistantly.
;)
im sowwy for the OT Dan, but he provoked me.
:(
Enoch, what can i say?
i like the cheap stuff.
Jack Daniels black label.
im only 4 gen out of county cork, but im sure i lack your celtic refinement.
well then, she can get away with murder. literally! w007!
nishi – you are a fraud. I don’t give a shit how many gens out of cork. we left there for a reason. you… you’re what they call “bicycle irish”… just a pain in the ass, really. I have no romance for Ireland. And I have no patience for those who think they will get a free pass because we might share some aspect of Euro-mutt blood. No, I put you in the Kennedy camp. Shame, shame, shame. One sometimes understands why the “scotch irish” were so quick to make up such a silly moniker.
Know what else SBP?
i betcha the FLDS attorneys are given Elder Jessop a big ole asskicking just now.
he tacitly admitted to childrape being SOP for the FLDS.
/puts out tongue
Abair sin, nuair a chaitheas tu cruach
mhòine còmhla ris.
look it up, Enoch.
Or, unlike Chris Klien, he was placating…
temporary custody dude
That’s not what you said before, nishit.
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN)  Parents of hundreds of children seized from a polygamist sect are free to begin picking up their kids under an order a Texas judge issued Monday.
Judge Barbara Walther told the Department of Family and Protective Services to allow parents to come get the 440 children starting at 10 a.m. CT (11 a.m. ET) Monday.
You’ve been wrong about everything. As usual.
Suck it, nishit.
Know what else SBP?
That you’re a clumsy, illterate liar?
I’ve known that for a long time, nishit, as has everyone else on this blog.
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN)  Parents of hundreds of children seized from a polygamist sect are free to begin picking up their kids under an order a Texas judge issued Monday.
Judge Barbara Walther told the Department of Family and Protective Services to allow parents to come get the 440 children starting at 10 a.m. CT (11 a.m. ET) Monday.
Suck it, nishit.
Nishi – you are a tard. that makes no sense, per usual.
@ #86
rob, you know who also spent his youthfull years mentored by Marxists… me
The devil, you say.
because each such fact along those lines substantially increases the risk that their parental rights may ultimately be terminated when this case gets to the final-ruling stage.
Oh, and nishit?
Since you don’t read or write English, what this is saying is that if FACTS and EVIDENCE come to light, the FLDS members involved might have their parental rights terminated (also could be charged with a crime).
So what? That’s what everyone but you has been saying all along. No one here has argued that proven child abusers should be allowed to retain custody of their children. That’s merely the incompetently-constructed straw man you keep setting up because you’re incapable of rational thought.
You, on the other hand, have been jabbering for weeks about how no evidence was necessary, and that the group would “never” get their kids back.
SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN)  Parents of hundreds of children seized from a polygamist sect are free to begin picking up their kids under an order a Texas judge issued Monday.
Judge Barbara Walther told the Department of Family and Protective Services to allow parents to come get the 440 children starting at 10 a.m. CT (11 a.m. ET) Monday.
Suck it, nishit.
yeah? well my horse is a better Irishman than u, enoch, an hes a gelding.
i already said my opinion had evolved.
i no longer believe the state of Texas is trying to drive the FLDS back into Utah either.
and not all the children went into their parents temporary, supervised custody.
“Walther also today granted an emergency stay of that order in the case of one child, a 16-year-old daughter of FLDS leader Warren Jeffs, while attorneys hammer out a separate agreement in her case. The girl’s attorney, Natalie Malonis, said in court filings her client is “an identified victim of sexual abuse.”
I think the children should be with their parents at this point.
because–
the San Angelo Standard Times reports DNA reports were delivered to the court today for every child. The reports identify each child’s mother and father.
also, the mandated parenting classes may allow some of the zombiemommies to get sentient enough to leave.
hehe, can’t i change i my mind as i acquire new data?
i thought TSC mandated a unilateral return…not temporary custody TBD later.
;)
who is chris klien?
i already said my opinion had evolved.
Her opinions aren’t intelligently designed, you see, they are living things, like the Constitution.
no SBP, you childrapist apologists said there was no evidence and that the FLDS were being nifonged.
darleen threw up a buncha chaff about inner city teen pregnancies and Planned Parenthood and the UN.
who is Bobby Donn Brubaker?
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I especially like that she doesn’t grovel and apolo when ppl don’t like what she says, even if it might more politic to do so.
Maybe ’cause she types well and uses something called ‘reason’ for her arguments. You should perhaps not ‘contribute’ so much and study her technique.
no SBP, you childrapist apologists
You’re a clumsy liar.
Have a nice life.
Which explains why you’re as ignorant of American culture as Obama.
By evidence of past behavior, no, you can’t. Because you’re incapable of it.
They are; by lying to the press they were attempting to convict the families in the press, to use the public’s biases against the defendants as a smokescreen for their own abusive actions. And we’ve always said that if there’s evidence there should be indictments and trials, and that if there’s evidence children should be removed for their own safety. What you’re advocating is the equivalent of seizing all the children from an apartment building because there’s an accusation that one of the children has been abused, then afterward finding one child had been abused — and not the one the accusation was about.
*sigh*
Those were instances where applying your standards would mean seizing children. Instances that are more common, in which more children are harmed, and which, clearly, you think are unworthy of any attention.
Bigoted bitch.
Oops. Typo. Chris Klein.
hehe, can’t i change i my mind as i acquire new data?
Yes. But soon you’ll realize you are starting to agree with the rest of us, while simultaneously calling us childrapist apologists. Which is just a hideous thing to say.
an apartment building is not a cult with communal living facilities and communal religious practices.
i calls em as i sees em.
What you’re advocating is the equivalent of seizing all the children from an apartment building because there’s an accusation that one of the children has been abused, then afterward finding one child had been abused  and not the one the accusation was about.
Seriously, that is not an appropriate analogy.
You know my bias, I have confessed it:
If I had my way, a polygamist community would never be tolerated. Polygamy is bad, and all the children of polygamists should be nabbed in order to stamp the practice out, as far as I’m concerned.
Having pumped up opposition to my argument with a very extreme view of polygamy, I’ll just say I’m cognizant of the intellectual danger, and only speak about it when i think I can speak with reason to conquer that feeling.
The truth is, this group of people is self-isolating community of conforming belief. It can not be reasonably compared to a collection of diverse families in an apartment complex.
It may not be fair to treat them as one family, and the court has so ruled, but treating them as mere neighbors seems intellectually dishonest to me.
you see…i still believe that CPS did the right thing in the circumstances.
an yup, i am kinda bigotted about exiling 14-17 year old boys, and childrape and sub-sapient zombiemommies just allowing stuff like that to be done to their children.
also bigotted at people that use religion and clean clothes and due process to excuse and rationalize institutionalized child abuse.
unless they’re your prophet.
also bigotted at people that use religion and clean clothes and due process to excuse and rationalize institutionalized child abuse.
That isn’t bigotry, nishfong, that is being a moron.
The truth is, this group of people is self-isolating community of conforming belief.
So what is an entire government housing project full of single, black mothers?
I thought we were talking about Dan getting cockslapped by Michelle Obama? How did we get to the FLDS?
So confused.
long running joke, Lisa. ;D
Bmoe – if my words are inadequate, I think you can distinguish the two without my help.
Also I couldn’t think of a joke. So I don’t deserve to post about it anymore.
SBP started it Lisa.
blame him.
oh, yah, B Moes….the FLDS must be innocent cuz they have clean clothes and love jesus.
hawhawhaw
shorter nishfong: they don’t look good on a t-shirt. so screw ’em.
Are y’all still arguing with that shit-for-brains? At some point you gotta admit it’s a telephone pole.
sasha,
I owe you an apology. I’ve been griping about your awkward Bush-hate priapism for some time now, but you’ve given me great inspiration from your last comment that I read.
It seems that you refuse to read Johah Goldberg’s book yet you do not hesitate to opine on it. Good show old boy! From now on I’m not going to read your comments, or steve’s or nishi’s (goes well without saying) but give my feedback to what I’m sure you three stooges must be saying.
steve: I’ll just drop this turd in here and you guys can bat it back to me but then I’ll bat it back and so on because I love to watch my own shit float around.
sasha: I hate Bush!
nishi: I love stem cells and nishi!
sasha: I’m from Russia so I’m an expert on Bush-hate.
nishi: I’m a griefer! I’m griefing you right now and you can’t handle it.
steve: hey, could someone bat my turd back? little help? anyone?
Jeez. It’s like Mohammed’s never gonna live that down.
You know how it is ‘feets, fuck one little nine-year old and you are a pedophile for eternity.
lulz feets, hes been dead forever.
he can’t live anything down anymore
They’re victims, B Moe. Your victims. Bastard.
Yep. And she thinks that pretending there’s a memory hole to suck all that up is the same as there being one. She’s a sick puppy, that one.
whoa, B Moe, you’re supposed to keep some of the kids to trade in for not being prosecuted later. unless they’re all grown now, then they’re useless.
BTW, it’s not temporary custody, idiot. It’s custody, period, until such time as it is removed.
I am sitting here listening to O! and getting goose bumps.
And not because I think a Marxist Changeytude” is a good thing.
Let’s walk away from Irag and hand AQ an undeserved victory. Let’s beat the shit out of anybody who has worked eighty hours a week to make a good life for themselves and their families. Let’s double the capital gains tax and fuck half the population that has invested money in the markets.
TThis guy and his wife are Marxist morons (“wealth and the workers who created it”, and the pigs who give them their jobs.), and I don’t give a shit what the proggs throw at me for saying so. If it talks, like a duck…
Payback for slavery?
steve –
Your statement about “making the president
“dictator” shows your ridiculous bias AND lack of
historical knowledge. It even makes apparent your
lack of understanding of the constitution and war powers.
Of course it doesn’t fit your meme, but the constitution gives
the president extraordinary powers in time of war.
The fact that you are not bright enough to know the difference
between wiretapping and data mining, or that the patriot act has
not curtailed your civil liberties (unless you are a terrorist)
seems to be lost in your own paranoia.
What I like about the left is their obsession with what
something “feels” like, rather than what it “is”. “Is”
meaning provable with facts, rather than teenage angst.
I judge Obama by what he says, and when he is not saying
“changey, hopey”, he is spouting progg phrases that are
straight out of the Communist playbook, cica 1925. Same
phrases, same exact words.
And don’t make me laugh about O!’s desire to “reach
across the aisle. He never has before, so what makes you
think that he will in the future? Reaching across the aisle
does not mean “I am so smart and so right, that people will flock to me”.
Obama has nothing new to say, and half the time, he doesn’t
have anything to say. Although I was impressed in his AIPAC
speech when he embraced Bush’s Iran policy, accused Bush of
having a “failed policy, and then acted like he had, single
handedly come up with the Bush policy himself.
Hilarious. What is not hilarious is that this crowing little
rooster is a candidate for president. As few as thirty years
ago, he would have been laughed off the stage long before
now.
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