David Thompson explains the kosmos to nishi:
Further to Dr Abd al-Baset al-Sayyed’s call for the global adoption of “Mecca Time†– and the shocking discovery that “in Mecca there is no magnetic force†– here’s another nugget. In this clip from Saudi Arabia’s al-Majd TV, first broadcast in January 2005, Dr al-Sayyed shares the extraordinary news that people living in Mecca are “less affected by gravity.†No less remarkable is the claim that NASA discovered “short wave radiation†emanating from Mecca – a discovery hastily concealed from the world at large. However, Dr al-Sayyed is sure this sacred Mecca radiation is “infinite†and extends well past the planet Mars.
Wish? Did I hear somebody say wish?
It’s also never 5 o’clock in Mecca.
Kinda like hearing the Catholic explanation for the Holy Trinity, or the Eucharist Transmutation.
Science based Theology.
Comment by Semanticleo on 4/26 @ 10:04 am #
Do you speak English?
Top quarks are three orders of magnitude larger in Mecca.
N.OB;
Out of your depth again, eh?
Funny, Semiconscious, I don’t remember the Catholics trotting out “scientists” to provide a fact based explaination of either the Trinity or Transsubstantiation.
Some things are taken by faith and don’t require your seal of approval. But, then again, the Pope is so such a Nazi, right?
Go play at the atheist forum at Yahoo and leave commenting to the grownups.
The word you’re looking for is transubstantiation, nitwit.
IIRC, transubstantiation is manifestation of God’s power and not based on science; in other words a ‘miracle’. You might want to look that word up. Okay, you might want to look most of those words up.
And in fact both BJ and Semanticleo are mistaken. Semanticleo has it precisely backwards, in fact, and that’s a little surprising in a way.
Catholics do, in fact, sometimes seek science-based justifications for, or at least congruences with, theology; the tendency is in abeyance at the moment, but it’s been around since it became apparent that Galileo was right and the Church wrong[1]. What she should have been citing is Hagee and the Snake Handlers[2], who do in fact seek theological ways to override science. Hajj al-Sayeed’s “explanations” have much more in common with young-Earth Creationism than they do with any reasonably current Catholic theology.
Regards,
Ric
[1] a horrendous oversimplification, but good enough for here.
[2] good name for a rock band, what?
A ‘miracle’ is the suspension of physical laws.
And you are right. It takes a lot of faith to cling to doctrine
formulated by the likes of Constantine the Great.
NASA took pictures of God’s clubhouse on the darkside of the Moon, with Jesus and the Holy Ghosts bicycles parked outside. It’s true, the photos were hidden in a vault under Building 7.
It takes a lot of faith to cling to doctrine
formulated by the likes of Constantine the Great.
It takes a lot of faith to cling to any doctrine that flies in the face of reason and practical science, that is why most of us don’t believe in Marxism or Proggressivism.
Thank you.
In Mecca, people fart rainbows which smell like delicious candy.
In Mecca, 15 year old Yugos are transformed into shiny new Ferraris.
In Mecca, coefficients of friction, Carnot efficiencies, and dielectric constants are negative.
Sweet ignorance. How liberals cling angrily to powdery conviction.
They must manufacture interesting capacitors in Mecca. Can you get me a couple?
“And in fact both BJ and Semanticleo are mistaken”
You may also be surprised when I say I disagree with you.
The point had more to do with Collin’s tender regard for his own traditions, while ridiculing others. And if ID and it’s faux science are not evidence of some attempt at scientific justification for Theological doctrine, then what is it, ‘transubstantiation’ of the word ‘science’?
They must manufacture interesting capacitors in Mecca.
Sorry, they don’t work in kufr countries.
Semanticleo, you need to pay more attention to the adage that “paranoids have real enemies, too.” At this rate, you’re going to be concentrating so hard on the imaginary boogers that the real ones will be free to bite your ass. In fact, this may already be the case.
If you cannot distinguish among Catholic theology’s response to science, “intelligent design”, and Creationism, you don’t deserve your self-assigned nick in any way. The three are distinct and in most ways competitive, and only the third has anything in common with the crap being spouted by the good Doctor. Inability to tell the difference is not an outstanding display of a grasp of “nuance”.
Regards,
Ric
Is Zenu somewhere in this mix?
“Catholic theology’s response to science”
A synonym might be ‘oxymoron’. Stick to Faith. It’s what the Bible counsels. When you start defending the indefensible, as ID attempts, the slippery slope awaits. But…..fools rush in…………….
And you did. Fancy that!
Cleo, you’re clearly as ignorant of Catholicism as you are of every other subject.
I’m not even Catholic, and even I know you’re talking out your ass.
A quick Google indicates that evolution has been held to be consistent with Catholic dogma (or at least, not at odds with it) since at 1950.
BTW, you DO know that evolution has nothing to say about the origin of the Universe, don’t you?
Also BTW, you might want to fill in some blanks here:
Gregor Mendel was a ______ _______
Georges Lemaître was a ______ _______
Idiot.
SpieHole;
Ever hear of the Jesuit Priest Pierre Teihard de Chardin?
In 1925, Teilhard was ordered by the Jesuit Superior General Vladimir Ledochowski to leave his teaching position in France and to sign a statement withdrawing his controversial statements regarding the doctrine of original sin. Rather than leave the Jesuit order, Teilhard signed the statement and left for China.
This was the first of a series of condemnations by certain church officials that would continue until long after Teilhard’s death. The climax of these condemnations was a 1962 monitum of the Holy Office denouncing his works. From the monitum:
SpieHole is an _ _ _ _ _.
fools rush in……………
I’ll take a stab at it, Pat; “Fools Rush in (Where Waffles Fear to Tread.)”
Ever hear of the Jesuit Priest Pierre Teihard de Chardin
Sure have. And the doctrine of original sin has what to do with science, exactly?
Oh, right: you’re stupid.
‘denouncing his works’….
But you said your were familiar with the former apostate.
Double-Stupid.
As well as amazing positive feedback difference engines. Hence the self propagation of the universe thereabouts.
Speaking of which, Semiconscious, (kinda like that one, BJT) what motivates superstrings to vibrate? You want to go all scientific, let’s begin there, that being the self-evident beginning, no?
I suspect that like so many of the Enlightened, you fail at the first step, which is perspective.
‘denouncing his works’
On the doctrine of original sin.
Which has nothing to do with science.
Idiot.
“You want to go all scientific, let’s begin there, that being the self-evident beginning, no?”
Because you don’t believe nonsensical doctrine, you must be an atheist.
The strings of the world are in the hands of the Master Puppeteer, that Illimitable Spirit.
Wow. This post must have really touched one of Miss Cleo’s hot buttons.
Funny how a post about what Islamotards believe has become a thread attacking Christianity. I wonder how Miss Cleo’s commentary would be different if she weren’t on the side of the terrorists?
I guess they’re not the only thing around here that’s self-evident, Semanticleaver.
Magoo;
I wonder if you know to what extent you’re a BushStooge?
I don’t know why, but that made me think Semantibeavercleaver.
JH, if they have amazing positive feedback difference engines in Mecca, do they need infinite common mode rejection as a stabilizing mechanism? That might explain the severe intolerance there…
Cross-coupled infinite common mode rejection, Geezer. Which gets into Muslim gender rights and there goes SemanTikLeo, off the, um, rails again.
See what I mean about positive feedback?
protein wisdom. Proudly promoting BushCo Catholicism since the fourth century.
#10
If it weren’t for the church we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Rather than take the easy road you have taken, why not ask; what did Islam do to repudiate 500 years inquiry?
And as a back-slid cradle Anglican I end up defending the Roman Catholic Church. Somewhere, in some graveyard, I must have ancestors that are hitting a high r.p.m.
“of”
Why don’t you explain it to me?
Cleo, are you saying that faith and science are the same thing?
“Why don’t you explain it to me?”
You adhere to the latest Islamofashion muslim derogation…………
Wait a minute. It will be easier to explain futility to Sisyphus
Okay, Miss Cleo, I think I get it: I’m a Bush stooge because I think you bash Christianity as your preferred means of defending Islam.
And no doubt I’m a troll because when you counter-attack by making unrelated accusations, I bring the point back arou7nd to what I actually said.
And I really would like for you to explain how your commentary would be different if you didn’t side with terrorists whenever we here at PW say things against them.
“I think I get it:”
You can’t get to the truth using a false premise.
“And no doubt I’m a troll because….”
No, you’re a troll because you respond to one you call a troll.
Maroon—–
You’re more of a ‘trollop’.
Sure you can. You just have to hope real hard.
Twit.
which is just a ‘Yes’ man who clings to the local soulmates.
Seamn – you really are an idiot when it comes to Catholic teachings. If you are actually interested in knowing the positions of the Church, ask me. But if you are only interested in Dan Brownisms about it, then go fuck yourself, you ass-faced clown.
Right. Because I don’t let you get away with taking a dump whenever and wherever you choose, I’m just as bad as you are.
You’re really the only one who sees it that way.
sorry about the halting, disjointed style. Thought it would assist
Magoo in his mental round-up.
Miss Cleo, I think of myself more as someone who likes being able to take a walk in a respectable neighborhood without stepping in your feces. But if that makes me a “yes man” because I don’t think you offer anything worthwhile to any discussion, you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that.
Glad I could help you take one comment to complete your simple thought.
Seman – you are an intellectual lightweight. Now I am off to purchase a latte in SF. After that I am getting a manicure and placing cucumbers over my eyes. Then, maybe a mud bath. What I am not going to do is actually read a book. Because all I have to do is listen to B Maher for my info on the RCC. Everyone knows they hate science and education… even though, well, they invented it, promote it through this very day, and all. Fuck… the Scientologists are cool, though. I mean their name has the keyword in it. So, like…
Enoch, Miss Cleo’s problem is that she hates anyone and anything that doesn’t validate her in her delusions of
superiorityadequacy.“you are an intellectual lightweight. Now I am off to purchase a latte in SF. After that I am getting a manicure and placing cucumbers over my eyes.”
The root of ironic sarcasm is found in consistency.
Maroon-
Let’s try this again:
Cleo, are you saying that faith and science are the same thing?
“Cleo, are you saying that faith and science are the same thing?”
No. Neither are they mutually exclusive.
No. Cleo is saying he knows very little about the history of the catholic church or how scientific inquiry got this far in western society. As far as he knows gravity IS less strong in Mecca.
So why do you purposely conflate the two?
Was this supposed to be ironically incompetent or incompetently ironic?
Woof. I’ll bet that sucker gets hot to the touch!
From Ric who writes”
I wrote:
which was in direct response to Semicoherent’s original spew:
Since I wasw answering a direct challenge with a direct answer and not attempting to make a blanket statement about the church and science nor were Hagee’s short duration creationism not even referenced, I’m having a hard time try to figure out where I went wrong.
One of the important things that happened is the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church wed Jerusalem to Athens. Faith and reason were joined. See Pope Benedict’s Regensburg Address.
I did , however, go wrong with the last sentence as that should read “nor was Hagee’s short duration creationism even referenced.”
Editing: It’s what’s for dinner!
I’m pretty convinced that Semantics Clueless understands the difference between unscientifically explained miracles and willfilly spouting on about easily verifiable physical phenomina that don’t exist.
She just doesn’t careas she is merely collecting anecdotes for the next athiest roundtable at Yahoo: “Godbotherers: Quantify the Level of Teh Sillee!”
well….actually…we are having a discussion at Talk Islam about IDT and Islam.
I’m sorry, but obviously Thompson can’t make the IQ gradient, but perhaps some of you PWers can.
I mean, seriously, Clueless, did the thread on “Crazee Evangelicals and Their Unreasoning Faith Based Unreason” run out of steam? Are you suggesting that you and your athiest Yahoo buddies aren’t going to start up a discussion filled with mirth and scorn at the nutty Muslim scientist trying to bend the easily quantifiable laws of physics to stage a lame supremacy argument about his religion?
Please!
well….actually…we are having a discussion at Talk Islam about IDT and Islam.
I’m sorry, but obviously Thompson can’t make the IQ gradient, but perhaps some of you PWers can.
And that has to do with the post how?
here is a simplified analogy for you left-side-of-the-bell-curvers.
goofy old imam cosmology theory is exactly as relevent to me and my islamic peers as hagee-style-jerusalem-countdown and the left-behinders is to you xians.
clarification:
here is a simplified analogy for you left-side-of-the-bell-curvers.
goofy old imam (who works for the Egyptian National Research Centre) cosmology theory is exactly as relevent to me and my islamic peers as hagee (who doesn’t work for me or the government)-style-jerusalem-countdown and the left-behinders is to you xians.
I have enough problems dealing with the bishops of the Episcopal Church (if it is Saturday, then the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing!) to worry about Hagee, whoever he is.
here is a simplified analogy for you left-side-of-the-bell-curvers.
Poseur.
Fraud.
Liar.
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Woof. I’ll bet that sucker gets hot to the touch!
Nah, the waste heat gets dumped off into four space.
Somebody please help me out: A Choice!
Go to talk Islam and discuss evolution, creationism and ID with nishi/gamera and her classmates after having beaten it to a gelataneous blob over countless hijacked threads over interminable weeks.
or
Repeatedly hammer 16 penny nails into my thighs in an attempt to penetrate the boneand see what color my marrow is.
Decisions, decisions…
Already dealt with your latest low-IQ strawman preemption way back in #38, nishi, you quite stupid fucker. How do you function, being so dim?
To rechannel through wormholes to become zero-point energy. Perpetual motion! And come to think of it, exactly like SemTicLeo’s self-modulating superstrings. SCIENCE!
To us left-of-the-bell-curvers, that is. Who are, naturally, also xians. And are xians too.
nishi’s IQ. Discuss.
BJTexs, I’d go with hammering the nails into your thighs.
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Yup, cranky-d, that was better.
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Much better…
Well, nice job letting Cleo hijack the entire thread.
Or was the thread actually, in some cleverly hidden way, about how leftists reflexively and uncontrollably have to change the subject to how eeeeeeevil “Xtians” are when Islam comes up? It is a strange phenomenon, but it’s almost invariable – I’ve even seen it happen in person. Mass Islamic terror movements or attacks come up, and the “liberal” reflexively launches into some random condemnation of Christianity. It’s like you hit a literal nerve, like a doctor with those little rubber hammers (or a Stooge with a wooden mallet), causing a spontaneous and uncontrollable reaction.
Radical (i.e. mainstream and traditional) Islam comes up, the liberal changes the subject to their own personal subject of spittle-flecked hatred.
Oh, and Nishi pretends she has something relevant to say. Why don’t you go to Mecca and say that, Nishi? Oh, and be sure to go uncovered.
Because until you can do that, you don’t matter.
That was only two. Now drive the other fourteen in, or I’ll never believe another self-mutilation post of yours again.
JHoward – isn’t it self-evident that Nishi doesn’t function?
Naw, not until she abandons her annoying e e cummings pretensions…
“Why don’t you go to Mecca and say that, Nishi?”
haha, i don’t have to!!
and you can’t make me.
ima amerimuslim.
/puts out tongue
Well, Iman-ta-Cleo has abandoned all pretense at meaning and little nuggie-san has replaced its brave, hyper-effusive, infiltrating posing of a few months ago with the simple xians-r-stupud cant, so I’d say you’re on to something there, Merovign.
And to think we thought great moonbat intellect naturally rose to the higher planes of discourse so as to illuminate by it’s sheer brilliance. You know, leadership, changiness, and nuance.
Hardly what SemanTa “Rubber Hammer” Nishi exemplifies. I know I’m sold.
Nishi’s a Muslim like I’m a Martian.
And JHoward:
You got a mouse in your pocket? :)
haha, i don’t have to!!
and you can’t make me.
ima amerimuslim.
/puts out tongue
Wish I was a Professional Genius and could argue like that.
Radical (i.e. mainstream and traditional) Islam comes up, the liberal changes the subject to their own personal subject of spittle-flecked hatred.
I think it’s a function of how they compartmentalize. Rather than face the shocking truth that damages their worldview, they shunt their attention off to something else, namely Christians are horrible and stupidheads and want to turn America into a theocracy. It saves trouble facing the truth, like someone clapping their hands over their ears and crying LALALALALAlA!
I think it’s more complex than that, Christopher, but it’s a good start.
Multiculturalism, anti-Westernism, and the victim/oppressor dynamic all play into it.
The end result is stupid repetitive reflexive hysteria, of course.
Wow. I’m having Flannery O’Connor flashbacks all of a sudden.
“It takes a lot of faith to cling to doctrine
formulated by the likes of Constantine the Great.”
Outside of the Da Vinci Code, there is no person informed on the history of Christianity that would believe Constantine “formulated” the doctrine of the Christianity.
There’s many points that can be made as to why this is a ridiculous belief, but mainly a) Constantine merely presided at the Council of Nicaea, he made no input as to the theological discussion and b) Constantine became an Arian, a non-trinitarian Christian. The bishop he chose to baptise him was Arius, whose views had been declared heretical at said council. C) The Arian controversy continued after Constantine’s death – the Council did not resolve matters (and, indeed, decisions made there were mostly reversed).
There’s many points that can be made as to why this is a ridiculous belief
You’re giving cleo way too much credit call her excretions “belief”.
That word implies thought, education and contemplation.
Think more along the lines of “bowel movement”.
Back to the, you know, topic.
I remember when I first heard something like this, I assumed it was just some random nut.
Then I started doing my research. Nope, as it turns out, pretty common.
Myths of cultural or regional miracles or superiority are pretty universal – but in open societies, they can be challenged. In closed societies or those strictly rules by traditions considered sacrosant (sometimes the same thing), they tend to grow like weeds (become pathological in clinical terms), i.e. this news or Nork propaganda.
Ironically, here in the West, some of our tradition of iconoclasm has become pathological, as we’ve seen especially in the past several years (but also before), where facts are repeatedly challenged as well as myths. This has, of course, spawned debunkers of the challengers (who sometimes also challenge beyond reason), and so ad infinitum.
I was concerned that everyone in the country was going to be lawyers in a hundred years, but it looks like I need to revise that, we’ll all be debunkers!
Cleo is suddenly quite absent. Googling like a demon I imagine.
Hey, Nishi, mohammed was a “I like to fuck little girls” moron. You are not a muslim. Sufis aren’t muslims. Not at all. The fact that you like to call yourself a muslim is funny, but good for us. Mo would have you rheasd on a platter. You know this.
Oh yeah, there are other factors, the “non white minority non European” factor is involved, which makes them the morally superior, but the reason you get the kneejerk Christians are bad guys response is compartmentalism. It’s what drives the instant reaction: here’s how I compensate for uncomfortable facts.
Saudi Arabia is so gay. It’s like Olympics gay. It’s so gay Mohammed wouldn’t fuck it. That’s how gay it is.
Oops. That was out loud again wasn’t it?
Wowsers. Oops without precedent.
This thread could have used you about 80 comments sooner.
McGehee – do you think it would have made any difference? :)
“You are not a muslim. ” – particularly since one of the five pillars of Islam is the pilgrimage to Mecca, if the poster above believes there is no reason to go to Mecca, they aren’t a Muslim, they’re at best a Deist (or generic theist) masquerading as a Muslim.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
In general, not necessarily a bad thing. In particular, maybe so.
It’s all down to cases.
“Prisoner’s Dilemma” sucks, don’t it? ;-)